The March death of Everest man, Lincoln Hall, is a stark reminder that asbestos kills. Lincoln cheated death when he survived a night at 8600m near the summit of Mount Everest, without oxygen or proper equipment. But there was no escaping the disease caused by exposure to asbestos as a nine year old.

A contestant on the Channel Ten show The Renovators

Australia has one of the highest rates of mesothelioma in the world, with around 700 people diagnosed each year. And as Lincoln’s death some 47 years after helping his father build two cubby houses with asbestos sheeting reminds us, the time between exposure and the onset of symptoms can be anywhere from 20 to 50 years.

For those who have already been exposed to this carcinogen, the reality is that it may be too late.

Thousands of Australians families still face the loss of a loved one, as experts predict the toll of asbestos-related disease will not reach its peak until 2020. An asbestos-related death is both swift and painful. Once symptoms show themselves it is usually a matter of months before death. Just five per cent of those diagnosed with mesothelioma survive five years or longer.

The dangers associated with asbestos have been known for decades. In the 1960s, mesothelioma was first reported as a fatal cancer of the lining of the lungs after it was discovered among those exposed to asbestos in South Africa. However the effects of asbestos had troubled many in Australia and across the world since 1898, when British factory safety inspectors were said to have expressed concerns about the “evil effects” of asbestos dust.

Australia has a history of mining and importing asbestos - then a “wonder material” - which was used to manufacture a range of products like roofing and building materials, brake and clutch linings, vinyl floor tiles, water and sewerage piping and fireproof clothing. Asbestos mining ceased in 1983 and in December 2003 all forms of asbestos were banned from use in Australia.

Australia has experienced two waves of asbestos-related disease diagnoses, the first from the mining of asbestos and the manufacturing of asbestos-related products, and the second from the use of asbestos in the construction industry.

Last year, the University of Western Australia identified the beginning of a third wave associated with home renovations. As the sad death of Lincoln last week highlights, this wave has begun and it has the potential to span future decades.

Between the 1940s and 1980s the majority of Australian homes were built using some form of asbestos product. Today, these are the homes often marketed as a “Renovator’s Delight” and thanks to the inspiration of reality DIY renovation TV shows, these renovations are increasingly being undertaken by laymen.

Each weekend across our wide country, budding renovators take sledgehammers to their walls, ripping up tiles in kitchens and bathrooms and pulling down crumbling sheds. It’s dirty, dusty work and as people seek to turn their houses into homes, many are dangerously oblivious to the fact they are inhaling a carcinogen.

And it’s not just those undertaking the renovations at risk. If renovators are unaware of the presence of asbestos, they are unlikely to take proper precautions for its removal or disposal. Family, neighbours and people passing by an asbestos filled wheelie bin or skip on the footpath are also in danger. Breathing in a single speck of asbestos dust is sometimes all it takes to begin a devastating process.

There is an obligation on reality DIY renovation TV shows to highlight the dangers associated with asbestos. Last year, a contestant of such a show said publically that there had been an expectation participants would work in a dusty environment and remove their masks when they were required to speak to camera.

Such shows are designed to inspire people to renovate which is why, in a bid to promote their products, prominent hardware companies form partnerships with such shows. But failing to advise viewers of the dangers associated with asbestos, especially when it has been identified and safely removed off camera, is deplorable.

In inspiring people to renovate, there is an obligation to ensure Australians are aware renovation is not always as simple as it may be made to look. There is a need to ensure this third wave of painful and unnecessary asbestos-related deaths does not continue in decades to come.

Since being lobbied, Channel Nine has announced it will include reference to having conducted an asbestos audit on its popular renovation program, The Block. The executive producer said viewers would also be advised to be aware of asbestos and seek advice on its presence and removal before undertaking renovations.

I recently received an email from a young woman who, together with her fiance, had ripped up their kitchen and hallway floors several years ago. A decent amount of dust was generated during this exercise. This couple had only recently been made aware the underlay was most likely asbestos.

Now, at the age of 25, this woman wrote of her distress at the thought of not being able to watch her children grow up. She had never known that asbestos had been used as underlay, so she hadn’t given it a second thought. And why would she?

The Gillard Labor Government commissioned an independent Asbestos Management Review in 2010 which is expected to hand down its recommendations by June 30 of this year. The review aims to address the enhancement of education and public awareness, the removal, handling, storage and disposal of asbestos, the mandatory reporting and disclosure of asbestos and the mandatory collection of data and reporting on asbestos-related health issues.

Yet for many, the death sentence caused by exposure to asbestos was written decades ago. All that can be done is to ensure they receive adequate compensation.

Research must continue to be funded in the hope of either a cure or better treatment, and victims and their families must be provided with appropriate support.

There is no simple solution when it comes to asbestos, and the issue is further complicated by legislation falling across all three tiers of government. There is also the issue of cost. The removal and disposal of asbestos is expensive, which is one of the reasons people either fail to remove it, or do so themselves.

But what cost should we put on a human life?

The death of Lincoln Hall is a tragedy but it will not be in vain if it helps save lives in raising awareness of the very real risk associated with asbestos.

Every day, an Australian dies from an asbestos-related disease, people aged anywhere from their 20s. If Australians continue to die from asbestos-related disease in the decades to come, we only have ourselves to blame.

Lisa Singh is a Labor Senator from Tasmania.

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    • Emma says:

      06:34am | 13/04/12

      My classroom in school was made of asbestos and from my knowledge they still use that building.

    • M says:

      07:28am | 13/04/12

      Asbestos is fine until it’s been damaged. Asbestos in internal walls that haven’t been touched are pretty safe, it’s when you start tearing down walls and creating dust that it becomes a problem.

    • Shocked says:

      08:09am | 13/04/12

      There are a lot of schools and public buildings that have asbestos walls, ceilings and tiles. They also have lead paint and dust everywhere. A good example is Holsworthy Army Base.

    • Nick says:

      08:44am | 13/04/12

      I taught for several years in a school where asbestos fibres had been sprayed onto the ceilings as insulation. As they deteriorated the fibres came loose and covered the desks etc with dust. When the staff claimed that the fibres were indeed asbestos, the Department of Education declared they were safe. We refused to accept this, sent a sample for testing and asbestos was confirmed. We refused to teach in these rooms. Eventually the department agreed to removal. Imagine our thoughts when the removalists turned up looking like spacemen in their protective clothing. Teachers and students had spent years breathing this stuff without any protection!

      To this day I haven’t heard anything form the NSW government about compensation, medical assessment or anything else to suggest any concerns about the health of those affected!

    • SimonFromLakemba says:

      09:32am | 13/04/12

      @Nick

      You think they would be pretty obliging fearing lawsuits forthcoming

    • acotrel says:

      06:42am | 13/04/12

      I know somebody who has got an advertising sign which reads ‘Asbestos, the building material of the future’ ! The problem I have is that Hardie Ferodo knew the risks and still proceeded with the product.  I think that constitutes ‘gross negligence’ !

    • Rocksteady says:

      08:02am | 13/04/12

      “When Life depends on it, you use Asbestos”

      Great ad.

      http://imgur.com/HU1SG

    • M says:

      07:26am | 13/04/12

      Sorry, it’s not the respobsibility of the TV networks to educate people about old building materials. It’s pretty common knowledge that asbestos has been used in old buildings, if you don’t assess the risks yourself before tearing into a renovation project, you are an idiot.

    • marley says:

      07:42am | 13/04/12

      It may not be the responsibility of the networks, but it’s not a bad idea all the same for them to highlight the problem from time to time.  People may indeed be idiots, but that doesn’t mean they deserve to die for it.  And a lot of Australians are migrants from places where asbestos was never used in the way it was here:  they don’t necessarily expect to find it in walls.

    • Emma says:

      07:45am | 13/04/12

      That is true. But arent those DIY shows supposed to be semi-educational giving tips alongside? So it would be super easy to just mention the issue when asbestos comes up. But if you mention the dangers of asbestos you have to mention the dangers of using a sledge hammer as well. And a chain saw. And carrying heavy furniture. And installing electrics. ....

    • Al says:

      08:02am | 13/04/12

      You seem to be neglecting the fact that the vast majority of people do idiotic things.
      Of course I do agree that ‘it’s not the respobsibility of the TV networks to educate people’, there responsibilities are to meet the standards set out by the ACMA (i.e. classifications etc) and to get viewers and make money. The ABC and possibly SBS would be slightly different in their responsibilities. I belive the ABC does have some responsibility around education, but you won’t see a reality renovation show about ‘normal’ (whatever that is) people doing renovations without taking the time to have the place checked over re: dangerous materials.

    • Rocksteady says:

      08:16am | 13/04/12

      Just because someone may be an idiot does not mean they deserve a horribly painful and lengthy death.
        Simply assuming fibro when someone says asbestos is misleading, Asbestos can be in old pipes, paints, electrical motors, ovens, brakepads, meterboxes…. the list goes on.

    • M says:

      08:26am | 13/04/12

      Yes, because people are too stupid to think for themselves we should save them from themselves.

      Nation of sheep.

    • marley says:

      08:51am | 13/04/12

      @M - no, we can’t save people from themselves.  We can, however, give them the tools and knowledge they need to make informed decisions.  The rest is up to them.  Having concern for your fellow man doesn’t make you a sheep;  it makes you a human being.

    • M says:

      09:17am | 13/04/12

      So engage the appropriate body to get the message out. Which is government, not private television networks.

    • marley says:

      09:31am | 13/04/12

      @M - why not both?  That way, the taxpayer doesn’t have to cover the whole cost of the education process.

    • DH says:

      09:41am | 13/04/12

      M, you’re right, but unfortunately we live in a world where people are more likely to remember something they saw on a reality tv show than something the government said. So the argument that these shows should spread the word is valid. That isn’t to say the government SHOULDN’T do a thing though. Because obviously they should.

    • Rocksteady says:

      09:51am | 13/04/12

      Well said Marley.
      I’m all for personal responsibility (A lady sued my local council $50K and won for tripping over a cracked sidewalk, breaking her ankle. The sidewalk stuck up by about 20mm, court ruled they should have put a sign there. Such people are parasites on society in my view)
      But if your neighbour mistakenly assumes that his 1982 Fibro house (full of asbestos) is actually a 1983 Fibro house (basically free of asbestos), guess who cops a big faceful of mesothelioma when the wind is right? You and you family.
      Innocent people still bear the brunt of this ignorance.
      Would you want your kids or neice/newphew playing in the street near a skip bin full of asbestos? It comes down to more than personal responsibility with some issues and education is sometimes the only way to solve it.

    • M says:

      10:07am | 13/04/12

      Force private enterprise to do a public service huh? What could possibly be wrong with that picture.

    • marley says:

      11:13am | 13/04/12

      @M - request private enterprise perform an industry-related public service.  What could possibly be wrong with that picture? Perhaps, nothing at all.

    • M says:

      11:42am | 13/04/12

      SO you’ll be asking paper manufacturers to put out health warnings about cigarettes then?

      I fail to see what paralells you can draw between the construction industry and the entertainment industry and personal safety besides the tenuous link to home renovation shows.

      It’s pretty common knowledge that old buildings contain Asbestos. It’s up to the owner/contractor/renovator/tradesman to ensure their own safety by knowing what the bloody hell they’re working with.

      Abdicating personal responsibility because of simple minded ignorance is what a child would do.

    • Michael says:

      12:11pm | 13/04/12

      @ Emma
      That is true. But arent those DIY shows supposed to be semi-educational giving tips alongside?
      In the little I have seen of these reality shows, there is very little reality and very little education. I would go as far as saying, I would steer away from them completely if you want to do a proper job on anything.
      They seem to be some TV exec’s idea of “reality”, in the name of entertainment (mostly they’re not even that), for some reason this reality differs somewhat from actual reality.

    • SteveKAG says:

      07:29am | 13/04/12

      How many people die of the road toll each year? How many peopel die of drug over dose each year? How many people are touched by the lives of alcoholism?

      When was the last story on the road toll, addiction or alcoholism?

      All this story is designed to do is to allow another forum for teh acotrels of the world to punch consveratives or companies etc….case in point see above.

    • Emma says:

      08:43am | 13/04/12

      As long as they dont start banning chips and BBQs because they cause cancer. Thats where the fun ends with me.

    • M says:

      08:44am | 13/04/12

      Please, no stories on the road toll. It’s a non-event in the scheme of things. It’s used by gummint to justify revenue raising. Addiction or alcoholism, sure, but not the damned road toll.

    • SimonFromLakemba says:

      09:38am | 13/04/12

      Read an interesting story the other day on the topic of road tolls.

      In Sweden you are allowed to talk on your phone while driving, they couldn’t find a reason to ban it. Too bad our nanny state can’t be that free thinking.

    • Monty says:

      09:43am | 13/04/12

      SteveKAG, are you suggesting companies like James Hardie and CSR don’t deserve a few punches for their dealings with asbestos?

    • M says:

      10:51am | 13/04/12

      Simon, could you please provide a link for that story. If true, it’s very interesting indeed.

    • SteveKAG says:

      10:58am | 13/04/12

      @Monty.

      No not at all, i maybe should have clarified the statement to exlcude them. 

      @Simon.
      In half the states in the US it is still legal to talk on your phone whislt driving…..I agree i am yet to be convinced of this danger, texting is differnet thing altogether of course.

    • Gymmer says:

      07:32am | 13/04/12

      I ripped up the underlay in my 50s home while renovating (dust absolutely everywhere) and read a year later that old underlay could contain asbestos. Naturally this quite concerned me, I did some research on the net which eased my mind a bit. Can’t remember exactly what it said but along the lines of asbestos use in underlays wasn’t *that* common in my state, timeframe. The pictures on the net though looked like my underlay, eep. Still, what do I do now? There’s nothing that can be done, so I try not to worry about it as I can’t change it.

    • RJB says:

      08:04am | 13/04/12

      As a youngster entering teenage years in the sixties, we as a group, would attend Westmead speedway (now the site of the hospital) every Sunday in winter. We would always enter hours before the first race and fill in time jumping on, beaking up and frisbeeing the multitude of asbestos sheets that were dumped there by James Hardie. Photos of the meetings will show spectators holding them up to their faces sheilding themselves from the flying dirt sprayed over the fence. One wonders if it only a matter of time now.

    • MarkS says:

      09:08am | 13/04/12

      The good news is that the idea that you have a high chance of contracting mesothelioma from a short term exposure is an urban myth. Aided & abetted by the legal compensation industry as well as scare mongering journalists & pollies. Disease is very unlikely to occur from a short high level exposure.

      Basically an exposure period has to be found for liability to be allocated & insurance policies to respond. The fact that the fibre that caused the mesothelioma almost certainly was not inhaled during a short incidental exposure does not matter. The law assumes that if something has a known risk of causing an event & the event occurs, then the event must be the result of the risk.

      The bad news is that all of us have asbestos fibres in our lungs already. Every single one of us may die of mesothelioma. The single exposure somebody remembers may have added to the overall fibre load but it is most unlikely to be the event that gave them the fibre that caused the mesothelioma.

      Our urban environment is littered with the stuff. Fibres break out of the matrix they are held in all the time & become part of the dust that we breathe in every day. James Hardie would allow people to get a ute load of waste asbestos dust for free, which was then used as a base for asbestos cement. Driveways throughout our cities are made from this stuff.

      Brake pads where made from asbestos. Every time a car braked, bits of asbestos would break off & join the general dust that litters our roads.

      There are different types of asbestos. In Australia we need to worry about two types. Crocidolite, Blue asbestos is the real bad stuff, it was mined at Wittendom. Chrysotile, white asbestos was more commonly used for building; it is not as bad as crocidolite. They still use the stuff in the USA.

    • Cynicised says:

      10:46am | 13/04/12

      MarkS , your first paragraph is dangerously misleading. Although heavy occupational exposure is the primary risk factor for developing mesothelioma, house renovations are definitely considered to be a recognized risk as well. Here’s a link to The Mesothelioma Center’s advice sheet on the subject. http://www.asbestos.com/mesothelioma/risk-factors.php.  Also, according to this website, ALL forms of asbestos are carcinogenic.

      Also, as a palliative care nurse I saw patients with this diagnosis who had never worked in one of  the designated risky occupations and the only subsequent medical conclusion was that they had had asbestos exposure unconsciously at some previous point in their lives, as the article points out. My personal knowledge of this horrendous  disease is of course only anecdotal evidence, but I assure you, it does indeed occur and the death caused is not pretty to watch. Anything that can be done to alert the public to this risk is a worthwhile undertaking, if we can forestall future suffering.

    • Scotchfinger says:

      11:17am | 13/04/12

      MarkS, your entire post is somewhat reprehensible. No time to pull it apart, and the wonderful Cynicised has done a better job than I could as ever *shy grin*. However chrysotile and amosite are also hazardous, or why has Worksafe assigned the same exposure standard to these three forms?

    • MarkS says:

      11:35am | 13/04/12

      @Cynicised
      I have read hundreds of cases, thousands of medical reports & lots medical studies about this. My first paragraph is nothing but the truth.

      Nor does anything in your link say anything to the contrary. It simply says that such incidental exposures are a risk factor. The extra ones that you get from the incident increase your fibre load; this is not a good thing. But this does not mean you have a high chance contracting mesothelioma from that single exposure. It is misleading to say otherwise & causes people to suffer from unnecessary mental anguish.

      I have seen cases where people become convinced they were going to die an agonising death from a single incidental exposure. They ended up suffering from mental illness. So in my experience it is much more dangerous & misleading to suggest such exposures result in a high likelihood of disease.

      Furthermore many people can have quite high fibre loads & never develop mesothelioma. In the same way that some people can smoke heavily all their lives & despite this being a risk factor never develop lung cancer.

      Yes, all forms of asbestos are carcinogenic, never said otherwise, but some are much more carcinogenic then others.

      About 20% of mesothelioma cases can never pin point an exposure. The mistake lies in believing that there must be some single point exposure that they cannot recall. No need, the environmental load is more than enough to cause it if you are unlucky.

    • MarkS says:

      11:51am | 13/04/12

      @Scotchfinger
      What is reprehensible about my post?

      Never said that chrysotile and amosite are not also hazardous, just that Crocidolite was more hazardous.

      From the same site that Cynicised posted a link too.

      http://www.asbestos.com/asbestos/

      “Chrystile - This is the most commonly used form of asbestos and can be found today in roofs, ceilings, walls and floors of homes and businesses. Chrysotile asbestos also was used in automobile brake linings, pipe insulation, gaskets and boiler seals. It is less likely than other types to be inhaled and is sometimes viewed as the safest.”

      “Crocidolite- This is blue asbestos and also fibrous in nature, allowing it to break apart easily and become airborne like dust particles. Mined mostly in South Africa, Bolivia and Australia, this is seen as the most dangerous type of asbestos. It was used less than any of the other because it did not have same heat-resistant qualities.”

      The Wikipedia entry gives a useful if limited overview.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asbestos

      I cannot answer for Workcover, why don’t you ask them?

    • Cynicised says:

      02:41pm | 13/04/12

      The problem with your post MarkS, is that it gives the impression that one can  be exposed to asbestos whilst renovating safely. It needs to be reiterated that exposure to asbestos fibres is NEVER a desirable event. One fibre IS sufficient to provoke a malignancy, hence WorkCover and other agencies acting with extreme caution in their recommendations. This is one case where emphasizing the risks is absolutely warranted. Quite frankly, I’d much rather be hyper-vigilant and perhaps a little scared than ignorant.

      I understand that mesothelioma is, in around 20% of cases,  considered idiopathic,ie aetiology unknown. However, I have yet to hear of an oncologist who does not now believe that asbestos exposure is the likely culprit. This puts a completely different light on your argument.

      Also, your initial post infers that compensation for asbestos related disease (which includes asbestosis, a  debilitating and degenerative lung condition although not a carcinoma) is a scam on the part of shyster lawyers and greedy plaintiffs. Wrong. Occupational exposure to asbestos when the risks have been known for some time is an egregious case of negligence and definitely worthy of litigation.

      I often  dislike excessively reactionary health policy too, however, this is a case where caution is most definitely the better part of valor.

    • DH says:

      09:30am | 13/04/12

      Great article and glad this matter finally getting an airing (the Barangaroo story seems to have helped).

      It’s an important topic, yet so many seem blasé about the issue. I recently moved to the Central Coast (for my sins, which appear to be many) and just about every other house is a crumbling fibro shack.  Worse still is that nobody seems to care. An old neighbour told us that a house opposite her was pulled down recently without any sign of asbestos removal beforehand, not only causing worry for everyone around them, but surely for the future owners of the really expensive townhouses that’ll be going up on what is probably now contaminated land.

      And it’s obviously happened a lot in the past—my brother-in-law also keeps pulling bits of fibro from his garden.

      So it’s not always a case of ignorant home renovators—although the reality tv shows doing their bit will certainly help in that regard—unfortunately licenced tradies may also be ignorant or apathetic about the issue.

      Case in point, we had a licenced tech guy come to install an air-conditioner in the nursery. I asked him how he was going to tackle having to go through the asbestos fibro sheeting that clads the house. He grinned at me and said “don’t worry, I’ll cop it.”

      Had to point out that I didn’t really care about that, but rather more that I didn’t want him to contaminate my kids’ bedroom. In the end he did the decent thing and wet it/taped it up before drilling, which I think is how it’s supposed to be done, but part of me wonders if I hadn’t said anything just how bad it could have been.

      As someone mentioned above, it’s not up to TV to educate the masses about things like this. I agree. However, when people who’ve been doing renos for a living or for many years dismiss the asbestos issue out of hand, it’s easy for the less experienced to dismiss it too. So more awareness is definitely needed all round.

    • Noely says:

      09:57am | 13/04/12

      Good article.  One other point is that we need to be having more medical professionals looking at this as well.  My father died from mesothelioma 6 years ago now (was a builder & most likely got it during his apprenticeship at Mt Isa Mines - as others in his group have), BUT, we had to travel to Brisbane to see a specialist and was only one Thoracic specialist on the whole of the Sunshine Coast (approx 300k people & growing with retirees), 
      The surgeon in Brisbane said that flashpoint for the people to ‘show’ mesothelioma was 2020?  Pretty scary as we had such a hard time getting medical help so what will it be like then when there are double the figure with it?  Governments should be offering incentives NOW to encourage medical professionals in those areas NOW as dad was part of the 2nd wave, and there is still one more to :(

    • BK says:

      11:51am | 13/04/12

      It’s possible to get meso from causes other than asbestos - there is research to show this.

      The problem is that every time someone gets meso they are likely to go back and search for any possible example of any time they had any fleeting possible exposure to asbestos, and blame that. They have every incentive to do so to get compensation for their family, and plus people will have a natural inclination to seek out some explanation for a horrible disease.

      This has a feedback loop to the stats where every meso death gets unthinkingly attributed back to minor asbestos exposure, thereby making small asbestos exposure seem even more dangerous, and then future deaths are even more likely to get the same treatment.

      All of this contributes to a mythology that a single exposure of asbestos is lethal. In truth the risk from small exposure is extremely small. Yes it’s technically possible that a single asbestos exposure could cause meso, but similarly it’s technically possible that a single exposure to the sun could cause skin cancer.

      There are now too many vested interests (lawyers, asbestos removers) and too much hysteria for this topic to be discussed sensibly.

    • Gerry Ward says:

      12:11pm | 13/04/12

      So many of us were exposed helping our father’s build homes back in the 50’s and 60’s and no dust masks or protection was ever used. Just hope I was a lucky one like many others. Why is there still heaps of this stuff in schools homes roofs on factories etc and it has never been sealed or removed. Also the unused mines in Australia that kids still play on, what about those at risk people.

    • Peter Dellaplane says:

      12:59pm | 13/04/12

      “Breathing in a single speck of asbestos dust is sometimes all it takes to begin a devastating process.”

      Is this true?  Because if so, most of the people of my generation are screwed already.

      I am a home renovator and I am pretty sure my house contains asbestos but I can never get a clear answer on exactly how much exposure is safe.  I know the stock answer is “No exposure is safe”, but this response is next to useless.  I know that I cannot avoid exposure completely so I stick my head in the sand and do the best I can to minimise exposure.

      We need real information, not scaremongering.

    • MarkS says:

      02:25pm | 13/04/12

      It is a bit like every cigarette is doing you damage. True but a single ciggie is unlikely to give you cancer. Every fibre is a risk. But the chances of any single fibre causing mesothelioma are very low. More fibres increase the risk at an increasing rate.

    • Scotchfinger says:

      04:41pm | 13/04/12

      no doctor will give you a straight answer, simply because there is no way of knowing an individual’s disease response. If you smoke, give up as it multiplies the risk factor by XXX. Get a hygienist to look at your house if you are concerned, but you will probably have nothing to worry about. And, obviously, protect yourself in future from breathing in airborne fibres.

      I know something of this field, as an environmental consultant who has carried out all manner of tests and assessments on asbestos.

    • chuck says:

      01:01pm | 13/04/12

      Lisa how can you be so sure that his exposure allegedly at 9 was the only one that caused the disease?

      Do you know that many older style filter cartridges included asbestos?

      There must be many ticking time bombs in the community from home renovation activities asbestos and other cancer causing agents included!

    • RBarron says:

      04:36pm | 13/04/12

      At 43 I have that worry now of exposure to asbestos.
      Something is going on with my Lungs for the last 12 years with no one knowing for certain what is causing the lungs loss and now shortness of breath in the last 2 years.
      I am said to have Sarcoidosis for the last 12 but when I got my medical file now the trouble is that when they did the Biopsy 12 years ago the Histology didn’t find Granuloma.
      With Sarcoidosis in order to diagnose it they need to find Histologic evidence of granulomatous in?ammation, then the exclusion of other known causes of granulomatous in?ammation other than sarcoidosis, evidence of at least two separate organs involved with the disease and finally then excluded alternative causes of noncaseating granulomas vary in different organs
      Based upon Radiology depending upon that said staging of the said Sarcoidosis there are 26 other things that can have a similar appearance in term of Radiology.
      One of these 26 things that can look the same is Asbestosis.
      The diagnosis of Sarcoidosis at this stage wouldn’t meet the definition of any of the Major Respiratory Associations around the world.
      I grew up in Granville were a Council laneway at the rear of our property was riddled with asbestos for the 1st 24 years of my life.
      I rang the EPA when I was 24 and they came out and took sample and gave Parramatta Council 14 days to seal or remove the asbestos.
      The council sealed the lane way.
      That asbestos had been on the surface of the laneway since 1930 when the sewer was put through Granville.
      Car used the laneway everyday with the younger guy would drive akin to rally driving through the laneway spinning their wheels putting dust up into the air.
      My father also drove 2 cars over the Asbestos to put them into the garage and take them out the next morning.
      So whatever was on the tyres would be left in the garage floor my sister and myself would play and ride our bikes through the garage everyday as children.
      I use to sweep to garage out for my dad because he couldn’t do it because he had COPD and 25% lung function.
      The only evident that would stand up in a court of law if tested is that when I had the Biopsy in 2000 is that the Histology showed Mild Anthracosis. If I look up the meaning of Anthracosis it tells me that there is Carbon in the Lungs. If I have of worked in or lived around a coal mine then this Carbon would be related to the job. Carbon trapped in the lung can cause inflammation and fibrosis.
      1.  1st of all I lived in a part of Sydney that was said to be a pollution hotspot in a 2006 NSW Parliament Upper House Inquiry Into Air Pollution In the Sydney Basin for the 1st 25 years of my life.
      2.  I worked 13 years on most of the Main Arterial Roads in Sydney up to 10 hours a day up to 6 days a week where fine Particular Matter is up to 2 to 3 times what is said to be safe if there is a safe level.
      I have also worked down in excavation trenches laying pipes with a lot of diesel earth moving equipment and trucks working on the site above over this 13 year period.

      I have increase shortness of breath over this 2 years period without any reason other than the suggestion that maybe I am not fit. The wheezing and shortness of breath like I am an asthmatic even know I have had 2 different tests that proved that I would never get Asthma.
      To me with wheezing now it is emphysema with that being a sign of COPD.
      But the causation other then the finding of carbon is still not known.
      The radiologist couldn’t tell the difference between disease, infection or malignancy and 1 year later instead of opacity with associated nodules there is now Atelectasis in the same part.
      Everybody now are ducking and weaving when thinks are now clear.

    • Who Cares! says:

      11:55am | 14/04/12

      As an apprentice electrician in the late 70s to early 80s I often cut, ground, and smashed asbestos fibre cement of all types, sheet, ducting / pipes, even wrapping flakey dusty asbestos rope for lagging on generator set exhaust pipes in very confined spaces all without a mask or any kind or protective clothing for days on end, sure there was some talk that this stuff could kill, but there was also a lot of misinformation and myth often peddled by the boss, supervisors, ignorant foremen and
      un-careing “tradesmen” who traditionaly always gave the apprentice the dirtiest jobs, and you dare not whinge.

      Nowdays we are still seeing the effects of the “wonder material”  that was “fibro”, I haven’t had a medical yet and never will, I guess if I develop mesothelioma it can’t be cured so what’s the point.
      I’m not afraid of dying, but I don’t want to die slow or at the hands of somebody elses ignorance and disregard.

      Hardies and others have literally got away with murder, the victims compensation fund is inadequate in so much that the clean up of ALL asbestos still remains the responsibility of the property owner, and it remains as potential time bombs waiting for new victims,  ignorant and careless D.I.Y.-ers, accidents including fires, old and deteriorating roofs subject to wind blowing particles over inhabitants and neighbours etc. etc.etc., governments were and are still slow to act apon knowlege and facts and are equally liable to rid this country of every last particle of the cursed stuff, and still they tell us we are all safe so long as ........BLA,BLA. 

      We can cop a carbon tax end ETS forever that argueabley “might” fix global warming, exorbitant taxes on tobbacco, insane taxes on alcohol,etc. but a clean up fund for all asbestos products seems to have somehow slipped under the radar, the question is, What price can you put on preventing a certain hideousley fatal disease forever????

 

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