The patrons leaning on the bar at bustling country pub Flannery’s and Gore were shocked when a wild-eyed man with a slide-rule in his pocket burst in the door.

Moments before the UN engineer showed up

The man leaps on the bar and shouts: “Everybody, this pub is about to collapse.

“I’m an engineer and I’ve just been looking at the walls outside - they’re about to give way.” In the stunned silence, some punters think they hear a faint creaking noise from the walls, but can’t be sure it’s just not the crickets.

Suddenly another man with an even bigger slide rule enters the pub and shouts: “Oh my God you people are going to die!

“The walls are about to subside. I think it’s leaks from the beer lines. You all need to stop drinking so much right now.”

Thoughts of violence briefly flit though some of the more capacious consumers of the pub’s products.

The first man shout from on top bar counter: “Actually, I think it’s the plumbing. But the walls are definitely about to collapse.”

A man at the end of the bar pipes up: “Don’t be ridiculous. Leaky beer lines couldn’t bring the house down.”

“Or plumbing,” says another punter.

“So can’t we just cut down the drinking and using the loo so much?”

The mayor, seated at one end of the bar, says: “Well we can’t keep drinking and using the loo like we have been.

“It’s time to act, and act now on dangerous building change.”

The mayor spoke for another 40 minutes but mostly unheard as punters returned to the bar.

Finally the hotel owner sighed.

“Mayor,” he says, “I can’t shut the pub. It’ll ruin me.”

“Can’t you have someone look at the plumbing?” asks the mayor.

“Why don’t you wait until you get an agreement from all the other mayors to look at the plumbing in their pubs,” suggested another punter helpfully cutting the mayor off before another lengthy dissertation

“WHAT’S WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?” yells the engineer on the bar. “YOU’RE ALL GOING TO DIE!”

The second engineer disagrees. “Well, we probably have until Tuesday at least, if we can slow down on the drinking and water use.”

“So it seems to me,” says the mayor, “we can leave, we can cut back on the beer, we could form a town committee to look at those options”.

“You could probably put the price of beer up and charge for the use of the water,” says the local shop owner, the richest man in town, who charged passing tourists a big sum for water bottled out of the local dam.

“That would probably stop people using as much.”

Everyone looks at each other nervously.

What happens next?

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    • Margaret Gray says:

      12:58pm | 18/11/09

      The engineers are arrested for falsifying documents; causing an affray; misleading and deceptive conduct endangering life; deprivation of liberty; voliation of human rights and impersonating someone with intelligence.

      Carry on drinking everybody.

    • Annette says:

      01:14pm | 18/11/09

      Before the owner has time to consider putting up prices, the punters quickly order another beer, the footy starts on the big screen and as the audience quickly becomes engrossed and forgets their pending doom, the engineers shake their heads and rulers and slink out of the pub.

    • iansand says:

      01:16pm | 18/11/09

      The pub falls down.  Or it doesn’t.  But if the pub does fall down there will be some sorry drinkers under the rubble.

    • SM says:

      01:19pm | 18/11/09

      Alcohol manufacturers retain Kate Carnell as spokesperson to make the case that, although,on the surface the leaking beer lines appear to be the cause of the problem, that’s actually not the case

    • Stumpy says:

      01:23pm | 18/11/09

      Suddenly, Penny Wong and Ian MacFarlane walk through the door skipping and announce their engagement.
      “Ian’s going back to plumbing”  says Penny
      “And we are so caught up in our love for each other that nothing else seems to matter”  says Ian in his trademark raspy voice.
      “Barman, beers for everyone!!” he cries

    • Liam says:

      01:22pm | 18/11/09

      Despite the two guys with the slide-rules drinking more beer and using the toilet more than anyone else the pub doesn’t collapse. But since everyone is now scared the Mayor sees an opportunity (local elections are coming up soon) and says that ‘just in case’ all the pubs need to contribute 7 percent of their earnings to put in place an IPCC (Inter-pub Plumbing Checking Committee) for all the pubs in the area.

      But some pubs can’t afford that because of the global financial crisis and the better off pubs need to cover those costs for them by increasing their own contributions.

      While this is all being put in place the pub still hasn’t fallen over, and people start to ask questions about why so many of the town’s plumbers happen to be the Mayor’s best mates and all the brand new pokies that have been installed at pubs that weren’t wealthy enough to contribute to the IPCC.

    • Steve Smith says:

      01:25pm | 18/11/09

      A more ‘realistic’ ending, is that the bar stays open for many decades, most likely untill these men have pass on.. and only their grand children will witness the collapse of the building saying “we should have done something about this”

      The skeptic approach is too convenient.. the likes of Margaret Gray aren’t going to be around to be proven wrong and therefore cant be arrested for impersonating someone with intelligence.

    • DigiDave says:

      01:33pm | 18/11/09

      A more ‘realistic’ ending, is that the bar stays open for many decades, most likely until these men have passed on.. and only their grand children will witness the continuation of the building saying “thank goodness we didn’t become a totalitarian society and limit everyone to only 1 drink a day with massive unemployement and continuous scare-mongering”

      The warminist approach is too convenient.. the likes of Steve Smith aren’t going to be around to be proven wrong and therefore cant be arrested for impersonating someone with intelligence.

    • thatmosis says:

      01:33pm | 18/11/09

      The person having this improbably dream wakes up and finds that it was triggered by Krudd and Wrong telling “sky is falling” unsubstanciated porkies about climate change the day before on the radio and TV.

    • David C says:

      01:49pm | 18/11/09

      The publican puts up his prices and everybody goes and drinks at the pub in the next town. The original publican goes broke and the rest of the town moves away.
      The engineers turn up at the new pub (having driven there in their brand new cars) and ........

    • Chade says:

      01:50pm | 18/11/09

      This parable (apart from being wrong) is stupid. When you’ve finished trolling, Paul, write something worth reading. Let us know when you’re not pushing an ideological barrow, too.

    • Steve Smith says:

      02:00pm | 18/11/09

      @DigiDave: “limit everyone to only 1 drink a day with massive unemployment” is scare-mongering.. then again if their grand children are drinking they aren’t going to be in the right frame of mind to make sense.

    • David C says:

      02:01pm | 18/11/09

      Chade how is it “wrong”?

    • Realist says:

      02:02pm | 18/11/09

      @Steve Smith

      That’s a pretty lofty prediction!!  Especially seeming as CO2 was 10 times higher in the atmosphere in the past than it is now!!  The climate change ‘believer’ (it is a faith-based system after all, faith requires NO PROOF) is all too easy to take. 

      What is the ‘science’ for the earth becoming uninhabitable? Acidified oceans?  Well they must have been when the CO2 was 10 times higher.  Did everything die?  NO!  It just mean that molluscs have thinner shells.  What would be the trend for the exoskeleton being completely dissolved in?  10,000 years?  Glad you’re paying for it!!

      Greenies and Climate Change Believers would be the kind of people trying to save the Dinosaurs in an Ice Age.

      The climate changes, not all species are able to deal with it.

    • Dave says:

      02:05pm | 18/11/09

      As an engineer I find this analogy deeply offensive.

    • Mr Pastry says:

      02:05pm | 18/11/09

      The pub over time will fall down regardless - no other pubs are going to stop drinking - so as you were everybody.

    • Jasmeen says:

      02:07pm | 18/11/09

      Cheers, Margaret!! :D

    • Alex says:

      02:10pm | 18/11/09

      I find it so interesting that people seem to think engineers and scientists and the like just say things like that for the fun of it.

      We are dealing with people with a rather high level of education in their respective fields, and yet people that know absolutely nothing about the issues feel they are more qualified and know more than those who have dedicated their lives to it.

    • Infrequent contributor says:

      02:12pm | 18/11/09

      Bit sick of those that are AGW-coformists moaning about character instead of substance…. oh, and Chad (2.50pm) have a coke and smile dude….. sand in the wrong spots?

    • iansand says:

      02:17pm | 18/11/09

      What I find fascinating about the sceptics in Australia is that the whole issue has been personalised into an ALP plot.  The bad news is that most of the scientists who are predicting global warming have never heard of Penny Wong or Kevin Rudd, let alone the ALP.  If this is a plot it is far wider than a parochial Australian leftist conspiracy.

    • Steve Smith says:

      02:22pm | 18/11/09

      @Realist: your a man of great faith than I.

    • Carl Palmer says:

      02:49pm | 18/11/09

      Another two engineers walk in and with their detailed plans tell the 2 original engineers that they have used the wrong slide- rule. The first 2 engineers realise their mistake and quickly disappear never to be seen again.

      Relieved the punters asked the engineers with their detailed plans where they could install their heaters because the winters were getting colder and colder. Lucky those engineers knew what to do and how to help the punters.

      The 100 year old pub remains in business for another 100 years and their descendants reminisce on the wisdom of their forefathers.

    • Andrew Bolt says:

      02:50pm | 18/11/09

      This fear campaign of “falling building” is a product of leftist alarmists. Science cannot prove the building will fall, only that it won’t.

    • Jugger says:

      02:51pm | 18/11/09

      @Realist - How do you know that co2 was ten times higher in the atmosphere in the past than it is now?

    • NCG says:

      02:54pm | 18/11/09

      David C @ 1409 is spot on the money. While China and India refuse to implement an ETS/CPRS for the foreseeable future, who do you think will be most competitive in the global market? If there low wage wasn’t a good reason to outsource industry to these countries, an emissions trading scheme imposed on Australia / rest of the world will certainly provide the remaining incentive.

      I’m not a climate change sceptic, the climate is clearly changing. Is it exacerbated by man kind? Potentially; its hard to imagine the amount of crap pumped into the atmosphere daily couldn’t have a negative effect. At the end of the day however, when your competing in a global economy and the 2 largest polluters are not going to sign onto a strategy to attempt to curb the issue, everyone who has signed on simply can’t compete.

      This is a global problem that needs a consolidated global response.

    • Margaret Gray says:

      02:55pm | 18/11/09

      “...yet people that know absolutely nothing about the issues feel they are more qualified..”

      You mean like Wong, Garrett, Flannery, Gore, Hamilton, Monbiot, Stern, Garnaut, etc, etc, etc…

      Who’d've thought the poor ‘engies’ would be so super-sensitive.

      Tissue?

    • Peter says:

      03:08pm | 18/11/09

      then the punters in the bar piped up and said are you sure this isn’t something that’s affecting all the pubs in the country and the rest of the world because of what those chinese, americans and brazilians are doing? What difference will it make and what notice will they take of us if we drink less beer and pay more for it? They’ll just laugh at us and our wanna be leader.

    • Patrick says:

      03:28pm | 18/11/09

      A few of the patrons for no apparent reason start accusing the engineers of lying and being part of a political conspiracy to shut down the pub. They draw up some charts which look convincing to the rest of the pub patrons, convincing them of their argument against the engineers.

      The pub patrons turn on the engineers and tell them to leave. The engineers protest but are eventually forced to comply. They walk away shaking their heads, everyone at the pub continues to drink and use the toilets the same way they have always done.

      Five minutes later the pub collapses. Everybody dies.

    • Tim says:

      03:30pm | 18/11/09

      The comparison with engineers is false.
      Weather and climate science are completely variable, and thus cannot be compared to structural engineering.

    • Carl Palmer says:

      03:32pm | 18/11/09

      Could an increase in CO2 be a good thing?

    • Mat says:

      03:33pm | 18/11/09

      @Mr. Bolt .  In fact, scientists and engineers can not prove unequivocally that the building will or will not stand up.  An engineer can simply asses the available data and make a best guess.  Given this lack of certainty a competent engineer always incorporates a safety factor in one’s calculations.  Whilst such safety factors may reduce efficiency and lead to additional capital expense they ensure that engineering catasrophe is the exception rather than the rule.

      It is easy for a journalist to remove the safety factor, if an article is of a poor quality people simply won’t read it and the author may find themselves unemployed.  if an engineer or scientist choses to use a less conservative approach and a mistake is made in the initial analysis people may be killed.

      @ Paul Cogan. The patrons realise that they should not be accepting the opinion of an engineer that is still using a slide rule.  I assume this article was composed with a quill and ink?

    • Sam Chowder says:

      03:35pm | 18/11/09

      Australia’s ETS is like a mouse shagging an elephant and being extremely proud of it’s efforts.

    • Rowdy says:

      03:59pm | 18/11/09

      Mat at 04.33pm….the slide-rule is still a valid instrument. Buildings built before calculators still stand today. The patrons have every right to accept an opinion from an engineer using a slide rule. force = mass X acceleration whether you use an abacus, slide rule, hand calculator or super-computer. Even if this article was written with a quill and ink, you can still read it. Although showing up to a design meeting with an abacus…or slide rule…may get you a few funny looks….

    • grumblebum says:

      03:59pm | 18/11/09

      Alarmed because so called ‘pointy-heads’ told them too, the drinkers consumed less beer & used the loo less due to the mayors placing a ‘collapse tax’ on the patrons.
      The patrons after a time would have to nurse a drink for long periods & reminisce on the days when beer was cheap - they would illegally urinate out the back as the tax was so high on the loo, it was risky as the ‘Green-shirts’ (the mayors cops) patrolled the area.
      One day they overheard the engineers & mayors laughing how they despised the pub & those who drank there & how clever they were to engineer ‘new habits’ through their cleverness, and how the boffins had been on the mayors pay-roll the whole time!
      The patrons strung them up & drank as much as they wished - as much as they did before the carpetbagging engineers & mayors arrived!

    • Chase Stevens says:

      04:04pm | 18/11/09

      They all die obviously.

      Although when that happens is circumspect, but they all die because they didn’t listen to people who know what they’re talking about.

      Idiots.

    • Kevin says:

      04:05pm | 18/11/09

      @Andrew Bolt. It would seem that the only real proof would be the collapse of the building. I hope you never ask for proof of a heart condition.

    • Zeta says:

      04:07pm | 18/11/09

      My approach to Climate Change mirrors my approach to Catholicism, so parables are very appropriate.

      I don’t particularly like the Judeo-Christian God, but, if I deny God completely, and it turns out I was wrong about the Catholic faith being a complete load of bollocks, than I’m pretty much a shot duck.

      But, if I actually show up to Church twice a year like I promised Brother Jack in year 9, turn away from most of the especially heinous sins, and go to confession every time I have impure thoughts about Kate Ellis during Question Time, well, the only thing I really lost was a few hours of my time, and I probably made the world a better place by not fornicating everywhere, didn’t I?

      So I don’t like the Cult of Climate Change. I think Al Gore is a wanker. I think Bono should have retired after the Joshua Tree came out. I don’t like being preached at, and I’m naturally skeptical of authority, much like everyone else here. But if I’m wrong, and shit starts melting everywhere, well, we’re all shot ducks aren’t we?

      But if we start limiting our greenhouse gas emissions, end our reliance on fossil fuels, start dismantling our agricultural industries and finding cheaper, healthier, cleaner alternatives (like the in-vitro meat revolution in this article:  http://hplusmagazine.com/articles/bio/eight-ways-vitro-meat-will-change-our-lives)... and then it turns out all the climate change skeptics were right, what have we really lost? We’ve made our air cleaner, we’ve made our people less hungry, and healthier, we’ve made our infrastructure more sustainable, and our energy cheaper.

      Are any of you going to wag your fingers and say ‘I told you so’ while you’re sucking down a cheap as free in-vitro meat burger, plugging your electric car into your self-sufficent house’s solar panel? Are you going to demand an immediate return to carbon pollution once climate change is proved wrong?

    • Diamantina Dick says:

      04:17pm | 18/11/09

      The non-science behind AGW has been debunked by MIT, other countries are moving on, Rudd will too, sooner than you think..

    • Russ says:

      04:25pm | 18/11/09

      Steve Fielding pulls out his slide rule, considers both sides of it very carefully, then says he can’t give an answer until he puts on his bottle suit.  The pub falls down while he is squeezing into it.

    • grumblebum says:

      04:26pm | 18/11/09

      to the AGW faithful,
      The greenhouse/global warming/ climate change (whatever you call it this week) hypothesis has been disproven.
      Vostok ice-core samples show that 800 years AFTER the climate warms, then CO2 increases - the silly AGW hypothesis claimed the opposite- it is so silly in fact I will offer you what i offer others of your faith - “if you can provide just one proof that mans co2 emissions drives climate change i will give you $10,000.00.”
      Should be the easiest $10k of your life if you are sooo sure.
      i am amazed that this tripe picked on the most essential nutrient for life (CO2) and dared call it a pollutant - i think that unconscious perversion reflects the motives of its proponents.

    • Zeta says:

      05:31pm | 18/11/09

      @ AGW denial chorus - Who cares if it’s man made or not? The world is getting hotter. That’s an indisputable fact and I for one don’t give a tinker’s cuss who caused it.

      Even if it’s not caused by our greenhouse gas emissions, do you think those are healthy? Grumblebum says CO2 is an essential nutrient for life, but I don’t think life takes a positive view of it being pumped into the atmosphere in ever increasing levels. The same goes for SO2, flouride, and the myriad other toxins we fill out skies with.

    • alteria says:

      05:43pm | 18/11/09

      Unlike the pub analogy, any debate about agw can be certain of attracting the rabid denialists with a selective fact here, a distortion there that they claim proves wrong literally thousands of peer-reviewed scientific research papers from the world’s best scientists overwhelmingly supporting agw theory. And step forward grumblebum, diamantina dick and others of the predictable posse.

      The other thing about the analogy. In the pub, it only matters what the owner of the building accepts, not the drinkers. So to the agw debate. The denialists are refuted by almost all of the governments around the world.

    • Joel B1 says:

      05:46pm | 18/11/09

      We do what Rudd says “Let’s rise to the challenge rather than simply succumb here at home and abroad to the politics of fear.”

      I swear, my brain will leak out through all available orifices. Politics of Fear!

      Fear? as in we’re all going to die? of AGW? AHHHHHHHH!

    • Shane From Melbourne says:

      05:46pm | 18/11/09

      All science and engineering deal with is probabilities, possibilities and hypothesis. Anyone asking for absolute certainties from science or engineering doesn’t know jack. Climatology and geophysics is so incredibly complex and variable that NO ONE can give you a definitive answer. Personally I think Peak Oil is a higher priority than global warming.

      P.S. I’d take an answer from 2 engineers over a layman who is trying to BS me or doesn’t know what the hell they are talking about like most bloggers on the subject of global warming.

    • iansand says:

      06:06pm | 18/11/09

      Diamantina Dick@5:17 Is that the Melbourne Institute of Telekinesis, or a more reputable organisation?  I would be fascinated to see the source of your assertion.

    • Milislave says:

      01:33am | 19/11/09

      The mayor explains the huge number of jobs which will be created if we move away from beer consumption. “We need to get away from a beer-based society, we can generate beverages from rainbows, we must invest in this technology”.

      Someone suggests that we could drink vodka instead of beer. “Half of Europe are drinking it. It doesn’t cause plumbing issues, and we have a natural supply of potatoes. I know everyone in this pub stopped drinking it when some of the people in that pub in Ukrainsville got a hangover, but that was 23 years ago and that was dodgy vodka. Besides beer has caused many, many more hangovers than vodka. 

      The mayor puts his hands over his ears “not listening, not listening, rainbows, rainbows”.

    • alteria says:

      05:08am | 19/11/09

      Joel B1: who, apart from you, has said ‘we are all going to die’? Diamantina Dick - yes, CO2 is an essential compound for life. So is water. So would you like to be dropped into the Pacific Ocean without a lifeboat?

    • megan says:

      08:44am | 19/11/09

      In a perfect world the pub goers go home, they start making their own beer and sharing it with friends and neighbours. They realise “This beer tastes better anywattery and it is be for us with out all those preservatives and additives that the pub beer had”.

      They wonder “Why did we need that pub anyway?” so they knock down the pub and recycle the materials to create a free public space where people can come and sit on the grass with their friends and have a bbq.

      With that problem fixed, the engineers and publican and mayor go on to fix some other problems like world hunger. The end.

    • Joel B1 says:

      08:57am | 19/11/09

      Nice try alteria, so the back-pedalling starts… now!

      “mass extinctions” “sea-level rises” “devastating fire-storms” “devastating storms” “not enough food to feed Australia” “no great-barrier reef” “Sydney opera house flooded” “Melbourne flooded” “agriculture shrinking at an alarming rate” “water supply at risk” “coastal nightmare” “Australia faces famine” “five years to save Earth from point of no return”

      But the worst by far is “wine industry climate change threat”

      ahhh!

    • Paul Prentice says:

      10:54am | 19/11/09

      The ICE AGE,was that not climate change,how did man cause that one!!!

    • alteria says:

      11:03am | 19/11/09

      Joel B1. That’s a good list. I take it that you are personally guaranteeing that none of those things are going to happen. And what are you going to stake to support your guarantee? Not my future, or that of my descendents, thanks.

    • Joel B1 says:

      11:54am | 19/11/09

      “I take it that you are personally guaranteeing that none of those things are going to happen”

      Not at all, I think many of those things might happen, but I sure as heck don’t believe that because you drive a SUV to work that’s the cause of them.

    • TLC says:

      03:29pm | 19/11/09

      They will never solve the problem as they have been drinking there for long and did not see any problem.Not only they are no profesional, but drunks.
      They will seat and drink and talk and talk nonsense as drunks do.
      They all die from liver disease, some end up in jail for drink driving and fighting.
      The bar will close down and reopen years later with new owners and new clientele that will drink in moderation and will look after the bar.

    • James says:

      04:00pm | 20/11/09

      Some Bonza bloke called Bazza, convinces everyone the engineer is a la-di-da type who has no clue what he is talking about and that he as someone who has sold utes in the part of the world for 10 years knows as a FACT, that the pub is solid as a rock.  Everyone listens to Bazza, the pub collapses and kills them all except for Bazza who went outside for a leak at the time.

 

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