Andrew Wilkie has okayed a lame version of the government’s pokies legislation, which he yesterday called a “stepping stone to meaningful reform in the future”.

Wilkie has been chasing clowns instead of ringmasters like TAB Sportsbet's Glenn Munsie. Pic: Cameron Richardson

The guts of the deal is that club ATMs will be able to spit out just $250 worth of pokie playmoney per day, and that pre-commitment to an amount you’re willing to lose will be optional rather than mandatory.

The legislation is now toothless on two fronts. Firstly, optional pre-commitment is like offering a drunk the choice of ejecting himself for obnoxiousness. And secondly, the legislation fails to address the burgeoning arena of sports gambling.

Sports gambling is the new red-and-black. The sector accounted for just one per cent of Australia’s total gambling spend as recently as 2008, but is growing rapidly. Whatever the current figure, it’s safe to say sports bookies like that Tom Slaughterhouse (or whatever his name is) aren’t advertising for the fun of it.

The concept which the blinkered anti-pokies brigade don’t understand is that every other form of gambling in Australia is cleverly mirroring itself on the pokies these days, and has become just as insidious.

The TAB used to have a few day meetings and a few night meetings. Now it has everything from the NZ races in the morning to the French trots late at night. It’s wall to wall racing, racing, racing, just like the endless hit, hit, hit of the big red button on a poker machine.

Sports betting is the same. A single sports bet on your favourite footy team is fine in theory, but sports betting options are are there all day and all night. Blow your $20 on the Friday night footy match and you can blow another $20 on the Norwegian ice hockey and another $20 on the Serbian third division soccer and so on until oblivion.

No one has bothered quantifying how many Australians have online betting accounts, but it’s almost a rite of passage these days. For today’s 18-25 year olds, their betting account (many of which offer credit with no questions asked) is the equivalent of pokie habit. Yet still all we hear about is the national pokies problem.

As The Australian reported last year, the University of Sydney Gambling Treatment Clinic found that the number of new clients rocking up with sports betting problems had risen from less than 5 per cent in 2006 to between 15 per cent and 20 per cent.

Meanwhile, the sports bookies continue to advertise unchecked, and to suck in ever-growing hordes of young Australians.

My children see the odds when they do their online footy tips on Friday arvo, and again when they watch Friday night footy, and again when they’re watching pretty much anything except ABC kids on the weekend. A TV ban on these ads before 8.30pm would make all kinds of crazy sense. Why isn’t Wilkie banging on about that?

Meanwhile, the amount of money spent on pokies is actually dropping, albeit slightly. The pokie industry doesn’t talk much about that, lest the secret get out that their product is the most mind-numbing so-called entertainment since Justin Bieber, but it’s true.

Gambling on pokies dropped half a billion dollars in the five year period from 2003/4 to 2008/9. Admittedly, the indoors smoking ban accounted for some of this, but pokies are losing their lustre. They still account for just over half of Australia’s annual $20 billion gambling spend, but the percentage is dropping and will continue to do so as the blue-rinsers age and drop off the perch.

The clubs know this. They need their addicts to stay addicted for as long as possible, which is why they fought Wilkie and Gillard so hard.

The government effectively lost that battle, and should now should turn its attention to a new generation who consider betting on a sports game as natural a part of the experience as yelling at the uniformed officials. It starts with one $20 or $50 punt a week, but as mentioned, for so many it soon becomes becomes one hit after another, just like the pokies.

A prime time TV ban on sports betting ads is a must. Forget the oldies on the pokies. They’re close to incurable anyway. It’s the youngsters on loseyourshirt.com who need attention.

Mr Wilkie is sticking his finger in the dyke, and not very effectively at that, while massive leaks spring elsewhere.

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    • acotrel says:

      06:30am | 23/05/12

      Why are ATMs necessary in pokies venues?  If you want to buy food and drink you can always run a tab and pay with your card over the bar.  If they simply got rid of the ATMs, it would mean that a gambler would have to go to the bank to get money, and decide at that time how much they were prepared to lose. - Hey presto! - mandatory pre-commitment ! It is not rocket science !
      Large political parties empower large vested interests - in this case the pokies lobby !
      ‘The system runs on bullshit !’

    • craig2 says:

      07:45am | 23/05/12

      Acrotel, The tab is slowly being phased out. Many cafe’s and pubs are now refusing to run a tab because people are handing over fake CC’s and then doing a runner after stuffing their faces. Its just a sign of the times, sad.

    • Anniebello says:

      12:22pm | 23/05/12

      Acotrel, I agree ATMs aren’t necessary but there are no tabs these days. Most places have eftpos so people could use that for food and drink purchases. They just need a ‘no cash-out’ policy and your idea would work.  A ‘pre-pay’ tab for drinks could work too - like they do with petrol (pay before you fill up).

    • James In Footscray says:

      06:55am | 23/05/12

      Why is there a campaign against pokies - and not sports betting or horse racing or blackjack?

      I think it’s partly snobbishness. Nice middle class people think pokies are a vulgar and mindless pastime. The sort of thing people in Sunshine do.

    • Borderer says:

      08:35am | 23/05/12

      James,
      I don’t think class has anything to do with it myself, we can’t nanny people, having more money means you bet more, eg Fevola, Steve Price etc.
      People play pokies and bet at the TAB because its a long trip from Sunshine to Crowne.

    • AFR says:

      08:57am | 23/05/12

      Because the studies time and time again show that the overwhelming majority of “problem gamblers” are pokie addicts, not horse betters, or scratchie or lotto players. Plus they are generally in the socio-economic brackets/areas where they are also less able to afford it.

      Having said that - live odds during footy games just shit me. I hear more from Glen Munsie than I do from Rabs watching the footy.

    • nihonin says:

      07:00am | 23/05/12

      Andrew Wilkie has okayed a lame version of the government’s pokies legislation, which he yesterday called a “stepping stone to meaningful reform in the future”.

      In layman’s terms, I don’t want to bring on an election and possibly lose my seat in Parliament (and the trough) just yet.

    • QE12 says:

      07:05am | 23/05/12

      Alcohol breaks up many more families and causes more life crippling road accidents than pokies gambling ever did.  Can Wilkie stick his finger in that dyke?

      Smoking kills more people than gambling ever will. Where is Mr Wilkie on cigarette habit pre-commitment?

      Naturally Mr Wilkie wants to complete his salaried one term in office before the people of Dennison, fed up with his laughable support of a disreputable, dodgy, conniving, dysfunctional government and his infuriating role in propping up an untruthful, incompetent PM—- unceremoniously boot him out. 

      The backs of these juvenile independents can’t be seen quickly enough.

    • Tell It Like It Is says:

      11:01am | 23/05/12

      Couldn’t agree more, “QE12”.  I would bet (not to be punny) that most of the excess gambling in clubs is associated with too much alcohol.  But that is truly the sacred cow. No pre-commitment on that possible! Then again, so many young people tank up before they even set out for a nightful of a further skinful. But why the government on all levels chooses so irresponsibly to ignore the alcohol problems in Australia is mindboggling.

      I can only guess that gambling must be a very big issue in the apple isle.

    • Mandy Mc says:

      08:06am | 23/05/12

      Whilst I agree that Wilkie’s acceptance of a watered down Govt proposal is sticking his finger in the dyke, I do not believe sports betting providers should be singled out, as above. they are merely providing a service like millions of other small business providers. As an active race goer and thoroughbred owner, I love a punt and we had Pub TABs at my parents’ former Perth CBD hotels.
      People, we should all practise more personal responsibility and accountability, whilst there are genuine sad cases of gambling addiction, across all mediums, why should we have to re regulate, and over regulate (in my humble opinion), we are increasingly becoming a Nanny State under the ALP and people should be able to make their own choices and practise gambling, drinking and even smoking responsibly , should they choose to !

    • Inky says:

      08:55am | 23/05/12

      “People, we should all practise more personal responsibility and accountability”

      And we should all be kind to one another, never steal, hurt others, break the law, eat right, excercise regularly and never make inane comments on the internet.

    • Josh says:

      08:13am | 23/05/12

      I agree. The odds of Queensland dominating another State of Origin series are so low its not worth betting on - may as well ban it.

      In all seriousness the expansion of sports betting into sports coverage (especially Channel 9 presentations) isn’t really needed is it?

    • SAm says:

      08:14am | 23/05/12

      Interesting read. I might also add its no longer a simple bet one way or the other. You can now bet on all matter of things in a single sports game (first try, margin, etc). So its in fact very easy to bet a lot, all on a single game.
      Im not all for nanny states etc, but you are correct in asserting that sporting bets have gone below the radar for some years. Public education and culture are the only real solutions to this

    • cheap white trash says:

      08:16am | 23/05/12

      LOL so this is going to Fix the Problem?
      This Government wont be in power 2013 and A Wilkie will be a total non event then anyway,but he does get his head back on the box,and he still thinks he is the Man,just another Independent Waste of space and air time Polly.

    • QE12 says:

      08:52am | 23/05/12

      I think Wilkie received less than 20% of the local vote (way less than the ALP’s downward-trending figure) and he’s probably sunk to to 5% by now.  Watching these Gillard and her union mates and independents get voted out big-time is going to make excellent tv viewing.

    • Borderer says:

      08:39am | 23/05/12

      Wilkie had a written promise from Gillard regarding pokie reform, he got burned on that. With Thomson sinking he thinks he’s got a chance at leverage again….now he’s a fool twice over.

    • thatmosis says:

      08:41am | 23/05/12

      This once again shows Wilkie for what he is, a sad little person who will compromise his ethics to stay in power. If he really had the interests of the people of Australia at heart he would carry out his threat to abandon the Labor party and bring this almost Government down, but no we have this lilly livered cretin who knows that if their is a new election he will most certainly lose his seat and he has grown accustomed to the money and trappings of office and hasn’t the intestinal fortitude to do the right thing .

    • Terence says:

      08:52am | 23/05/12

      Wilkie seems to be more interested in keeping on side with this Labor Government than the ethics and standards of MPs.

      When push comes to shove, It just goes to show you what is more important to these people we place in Government!  What did he say to those reporters, “He would take what was offered as he didn’t know how much longer this Labor Government would be pulling the strings”.  Where did he place is ethical standards if he has any?

    • acotrel says:

      09:20am | 23/05/12

      That Wilkie is a real bastard. He has compromised to get a lesser bill with fewer beneficial effects through parliament, where a stronger bill would have failed due to the efforts of the pokies lobby, who fund other political parties.

    • Anna C says:

      08:56am | 23/05/12

      I’m not a fan of gambling but if we are going to do something about the pokies then I think we should do something about all forms of gambling.  I don’t understand why only pokies are being singled out?  Lots of people will either switch to another form of gambling or do it online.

    • acotrel says:

      09:24am | 23/05/12

      Yay Wilkie ! !

      Large political parties empower large vested interests like the pokies lobby.
      Vote #1: INDEPENDENT
      Empower the individual and make every vote in parliament a conscience vote !

    • dianna says:

      09:48am | 23/05/12

      To be fair, Mr Wilkie is the Chair of the Joint Select Committee into Gambling Reform, which recently completed a full inquiry into interactive gambling and ‘the recent growth in interactive sports betting and the changes in online wagering due to new technologies’, so it’s not like he isn’t aware of the issue.

    • ChrisW says:

      09:51am | 23/05/12

      Andrew Wilkie apparently said he was doing this because it was better to get something than nothing at all. His argument was that, should the government fail, there would at least be something to work with.
      This does not show a great deal of faith in the government and the way the trial has been set up it is designed to fail (while still maintaining the ALP coffers). 
      Wilkie would have done better to bring down the government - unfortunately it is another example of pay packet before the people.

    • Tim says:

      10:20am | 23/05/12

      QLD - $1.50
      NSW - $2.30

      Carn the Blues.

    • Tim says:

      12:39pm | 23/05/12

      sorry that should be NSW at $2.70.

      Get on board.

    • Mainie says:

      10:40am | 23/05/12

      It won’t matter what the government legislates.  The government could outlaw all forms of gambling all together and forever but feeble minded, weak willed, self destructive people will still find a way to ruin their own lives.  Goverments can’t protect people from their own destructive vices.  Addicts have to make the decision themselves to stop indulging in self harming behaviours like gambling, drinking, smoking, drugs, sexual promiscuity, obesity etc.  Governments can’t and should not be expected to do squander resources trying to save people from themselves.  We already have laws to deal with people who steal to support their gambling habits and we have programs to support the neglected families of gamblers. There are signs all over clubs and pubs and casinos urging problem gamblers to identify that they need help and to seek free counselling.  In the end, people just have to have to learn to take responsibility for the consequences of their own actions.

    • Tell It Like It Is says:

      12:22pm | 23/05/12

      Well, all that sounds logical about the government funding and not trying to “save people from themselves”. However, with extreme drinking (as with smoking) there are other issues, like health and lost work days which impact on society. Particularly with the health damage that excess alcohol causes, as with smoking, at the end of the line taxpayers have to withstand payment for avoidable health care.  So it is not simply a personal choice to destroy your own life - or not. If one lives in a society, behaviour has consequences on that society in all sorts of ways.

    • SM says:

      10:42am | 23/05/12

      Pokies are gaming, sports betting is gambling. 

      The fundamental premise of sports betting is that you consider the odds that are offer, and only bet when you believe that one (or more) of the contestants has been priced incorrectly by the odds makers (bookmakers).

      There are a number of different ways the punter can, on occasion, be better informed than the bookmakers regarding a specific contest.  In the end though, it comes down to opinion, and how good a judge you are.

      Using the Origin match tonight as an example, NSW are, in my opinion, well over the odds @$2.65, and as such are a good betting proposition.  Queensland on the other hand are very poor value at $1.50.

      As such, I have decided to bet on NSW.

      None of this takes place when it comes to poker machines.  You choose a machine based on nothing of substance, and hope for the best.

    • Punters Pal says:

      11:23am | 23/05/12

      The reason there are odds on the free footy tipping sites is the reason these sites are still free. There is not many other way of publishers of these sites to pay for running costs.

      But I do agree the spruiking of odds during the game is out of hand and sooner it gets stopped the better. If you watch NFL telecast from US or EPL from England, you never hear commentators referring to the odds. Not many people will mourn the passing of it.

    • SZF says:

      11:25am | 23/05/12

      If you ask me, it’s simply a matter of time until we see an Australian equivalent of the 1919 “Black Sox”. Scandals like the Ryan Tandy affair, or cricketers deliberately bowling no-balls (ie: bets that don’t necessarily affect the outcome) are just the tip of the iceberg.

      My suggestion would be to follow the example of Major League Baseball and introduce mandatory lifetime bans for any player, coach or official caught betting on their particular sport (which includes ANY game, not just ones in which they are involved).

      Some people that say having a punt is an Australian tradition. But I would argue that even more sacred to Australians is the idea of fairness - that the game has integrity. The way sports betting is spreading these days, the latter is under threat.

    • Emilia says:

      12:27pm | 23/05/12

      I once had a friend who very successfully rid himself of a pokies addiction by way of sports betting.

    • pa_kelvin says:

      12:38pm | 23/05/12

      Anyone know what odds the bookies have on the gillards goons,how many will be left etc

    • Paul says:

      01:40pm | 23/05/12

      Ban Gambling advertising! They did it for cigarettes, why not gambling.
      They have segments within the nightly news sport sponsored by Betfair or some other parasitic outfit for crying out loud. When I meet people and they start talking about gambling (horses etc) I totally lose interest, I actually lose respect for that person. Gambling is for Losers, that should be the advertising!

    • Lapun says:

      02:55pm | 23/05/12

      I agree whole heartedly with Ant in this article and with @Paul above.  The advertising on betting that has only appeared (and apparently been condoned) only in the past few years.  This advertising is thrust upon us, as it will be again tonight for the Origin game, is seen by all members of the watching families including children, and is thus legitimised by its appearance on the Box.  It is far more dangerous in being seen as an integral part of the sports it uses as a background.  Children, in front of a TV set as opposed to doddering old bowlers, etc.. in a Club are indocrinated in the belief that Gambling is acceptable and just a part of sport.

    • Shannon says:

      09:33pm | 23/05/12

      Tom Slaughterhouse…..love it, and very appropriate

    • Roddy Sexton says:

      11:48pm | 23/05/12

      It wont be long now until Wilkie is back in Tassie poking around in his rug shop.

 

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