In ruling the so-called ‘Malaysia Solution’ invalid, the High Court has delivered a spectacular blow to the beleaguered Gillard government in one of its most vulnerable policy areas – asylum seekers.

Deal done, totally. No worries at all. Photo: Getty Images

After an election in which the Opposition almost knocked off a first-term government on a platform that contained a promise to “stop the boats”, the Immigration Minister Chris Bowen was tasked with devising a credible solution to the problem of unlawful arrivals by non-citizens.

The desperate need for new thinking from the government was only underscored by the tragic loss of life when a vessel carrying asylum seekers was wrecked off Christmas Island in December.

The Court’s 6:1 decision in the case of Plaintiff M70/2011 means that the Minister has comprehensively failed to deliver. Forget whether the plan to send up to 800 asylum seekers to Malaysia, in return for resettling here 4000 refugees currently residing in that country, would actually have been effective in curbing the people smuggling trade. The policy has not even passed the litmus test of legality.

The consequences of this for the government and what options it has open to it in response are interesting questions. But first, why did the High Court declare the scheme invalid?

Under section 198A of the Migration Act 1958 (Cth), the Minister is empowered to declare that a country is one which provides asylum seekers with access to effective procedures for assessing their refugee status and their protection both while that status is determined and afterward.

As the joint majority judgment in the High Court pointed out, these criteria ‘are to be understood as a reflex of Australia’s obligations’ as a signatory to the Refugees Convention and the Refugees Protocol. The Minister’s declaration also vouches that the specified country meets relevant human rights standards in the manner with which it provides the required protections.

Significantly, Malaysia is not a party to the Refugees Convention and its Protocol. It does not recognise the status of refugees in its domestic law and does not undertake any activities related to the reception, registration, documentation and status determination of asylum seekers and refugees.

Nevertheless, the Minister issued a declaration under section 198A that Malaysia was a country satisfying the requirements of the Act and to which ‘off shore entry persons’ could be removed. He did so on the basis of an arrangement which the two countries signed on 25 July 2011 for the refugee swap. That agreement expressly states that it is not legally binding.

With Malaysia under no legal obligation to provide the necessary protections required by the Migration Act, the High Court held that the Minister did not have the authority under section 198A to declare Malaysia as a country to which asylum seekers could be taken for processing.

The Chief Justice was pointed in his criticism when he said in his judgment that the declaration cannot be one based upon ‘a hope or belief or expectation that the specified country will meet the criteria at some time in the future even if that time be imminent’. The fact that Malaysia had signed an agreement with Australia that indicated it was ‘keen to improve its treatment of refugees and asylum seekers’ was quite insufficient.

In making a declaration under the section, the Minister was required to focus on the laws in effect in Malaysia, not on what the Commonwealth asserted was the ‘practical reality’ following the understanding it had reached with the government of that country.

The court also held that it was not otherwise open to the Minister to order the removal of the plaintiffs to Malaysia under section 198(2) of the Migration Act, without first assessing their claims to be refugees. The powers of removal that the Act provides do not exist independently from the ‘legislative intention evident from the Act as a whole: that its provisions are intended to facilitate Australia’s compliance with the obligations undertaken in the Refugees Convention and the Refugees Protocol’.

At its broadest level, the decision is yet another reminder from the High Court under the leadership of Chief Justice French that government is subject to the rule of law. The requirements of the Migration Act for the protection of asylum seekers dispatched elsewhere for processing are clear – the Minister must look to the actual legal protections that are in place.

Ironically, Nauru, once the cornerstone of John Howard’s ‘Pacific Solution’, has recently become a signatory to the Refugees Convention. Nauru offers a viable alternative to the government’s ill-fated flirtation with Malaysia as a destination for asylum seekers – a point the Opposition has been making loudly for some time now. It will certainly step up the pressure on the government after today’s decision.

There is the possibility that the government will attempt some amendment of the Migration Act, but this should be seen as remote. It is hard to imagine how it can pursue the Malaysia option without seriously transgressing our international obligations. It is even harder to envisage that the Opposition, Greens and independents in the Commonwealth parliament will accommodate any move to alter the law in this direction.

In short, the refugees’ win in the High Court presents the Gillard government with a further difficulty at a time when it was probably hoping its luck might change.

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    • I think there is a problem now: says:

      09:14am | 02/09/11

      Since sending to Malaysia is illegal… The asylum seekers can let the court say Nauru is illegal.. than offshore is illegal… now Australia can only accept them to process onshore… oh wait.. this mean they can all come! Now not enough place for them to stay (causing a lot of tax money at the same time)... illegal for housing them in such bad detention centre.. they have to go to leave with their family in Australia..
      Will it come to this? I think it will.

    • drecked says:

      08:25am | 02/09/11

      There should be a mandatory 30 year non parole jail term for the captain of those boats and a large fine ! Then they will soon
      get the message I should Imagine ! OUI ?

    • Marilyn Shepherd says:

      01:23am | 02/09/11

      The morons should have read the damn law.

      The hypocrisy of ignoring the UNHCR over detention for the past 20 years then demanding they do our job in some other country is breathtaking.

      It was always illegal because it is not legal to trade human beings like bales of wool.

      And Nauru is out because it would still be forced trafficking.

    • marley says:

      08:33am | 03/09/11

      Funny, Marilyn.  That’s not what the Court said.  But you no doubt know better than the High Court.  Or possibly not.

    • Egg..You're Cracked Mate. says:

      03:46pm | 01/09/11

      So…you’re standing in the queue at your supermarket of choice.  There is about 10 people in front of you, and suddenly another 5 jump to the front of the queue.  How do you feel? Pretty shitty I bet, considering you were doing the right thing and lining up and waiting to have your basket processed right?  Hey you say, I was here first, now I am going to be held up, because you jumped in front of me.  Register operator says ok, you queue jumpers can come first, and we will process you ahead of all these other good people who have been doing the right thing but hey, we are just going to ask you to wait for five minutes in our fabulous waiting room, hot and cold running water, five square a day, just wait a little while.  To all you other people waiting, sorry folks, we can’t process any more of you until we sort out this lot in the waiting room.  Oh what??? that lot didn’t want to wait eh!!! Burned it down did they???
      Analogy made.
      Nuff said.

    • Joel B1 says:

      09:26pm | 01/09/11

      Too right Egg.

      Let’s take the poor bastards in the UN camps.

      Gillard is happy to to go down the UN AGW path to hell (for her own political gain) but she won’t take refugees from the UN camps.

      Gillard is a bloody hypocrite.

    • Ali Baba says:

      02:25pm | 01/09/11

      The High Court has stymied Abbott’s solution as well.

    • marley says:

      09:07pm | 01/09/11

      Not sure about that.  The court rejected the Malaysian solution because Malaysia wasn’t a signatory to the convention, and Australia couldn’t guarantee the safety of those sent there. And because Malaysia’s promises to improve their human rights issues weren’t binding.  Now, Nauru is a signatory, and the last time round, Australia totally controlled the refugee process there.  That might make a difference.

    • Elias says:

      01:49pm | 01/09/11

      Davo,thats what i call a real bargain!

    • Wayne says:

      01:46pm | 01/09/11

      Does the average Australian actually understand that 3 new tests were created by the High Court in yesterdays ruling to determine whether offshore processing is lawful or not. Does the average Australian understand that the existing legislation that Tony Abbott so eagerly states was in use by the Liberals was never challenged in the HCA therefore how can Tony Abbott state that Nauru is still a lawful option to process asylum seekers ?  It is time the average Australian started doing a bit of their own investigating not just listen to Abbotts untested theory. It appears the Australian border protection strategy is a lower priority to Abbott’s PM ambitions. Can anyone actually state what Tony Abbott’s policies are ? I doubt it his policies are to through mud on the ALP policies.  If he was serious he would work with the existing Govt to get a strategy in place ASAP. Is our border protection strategy to go down the same path as the US AAA credit rating that was downgraded due to power plays.

    • davo says:

      01:13pm | 01/09/11

      Can’t wait for the next round of opinion polls!!  Can we organise a people swap for Julia? Well take 4000 refugees if Malaysia takes her!

    • Bal says:

      12:59pm | 01/09/11

      Why do we allow the refugees to cost the country millions by mandatory detention when we can send them to the community with work visas (and still keep track of them)? This way they will work and pay tax rather than costing the tax payers. This way, those who end up staying here as genuine asylum seekers will also appreciate the country more than they do now.

      BTW, I’m all for stopping the boats, but how come nobody talks about the planes? The number of those who come to our country by a plane and then seek asylum or live illegally is way greater than those who come by boat. Why don’t they get treated the same way? Why don’t they get treated the same way and maybe even be sent to the lala land for processing??

    • marley says:

      09:04pm | 01/09/11

      @meinsydney - ok, I can’t resist. 

      You’ve been pontificating about your educated background and knowledge - so here’s a little bit of education for you from someone who doesn’t live in the inner city.

      The largest number of overstayers, by quite a significant margin, in this country, are Chinese.  The Brits rank fourth on the table.  The Americans rank second.  The rest of the top ten is filled out by Malaysia (at #3), Korea, Indonesia, the Philippines, India, Thailand and Viet Nam.

      So, my supercilious friend, maybe it’s time you got yourself educated.

    • meinsydney says:

      03:01pm | 01/09/11

      John, really, you need to get yourself better educated.  Educated people know that far more illegal immigrants come by plane, with passports and paperwork than by boat, and most are from the UK.  They overstay their visas, work under the table, avoid the tax system, use our infrastructure and resources, but the racists don’t care about them, because their color and/or religion isn’t offensive to them.  Truly, it’s very basic stuff…how can you be posting here and not know that?

    • meinsydney says:

      03:00pm | 01/09/11

      John, really, you need to get yourself better educated.  Educated people know that far more illegal immigrants come by plane, with passports and paperwork than by boat, and most are from the UK.  They overstay their visas, work under the table, avoid the tax system, use our infrastructure and resources, but the racists don’t care about them, because their color and/or religion isn’t offensive to them.  Truly, it’s very basic stuff…how can you be posting here and not know that?

    • John says:

      01:48pm | 01/09/11

      Really? And what do you back that up with?!
      I’m sick of hearing these stories of people arriving by plane being more of a problem than boat arrivals.
      If you arrive by plane you need a passport which identifies who you are and where you are from. it also allows a background check and non desirable people to be sent back.
      People arriving by boat don’t have to do this. They arrive and refuse to say who they are and where they are from. They destroy their personal ID on the boat over. That’s why they are detained so long because it takes a long time to verify who they are and their claims of refuge status.

    • Engineer says:

      12:21pm | 01/09/11

      I will rejoice the day when boats are turned around and Australia withdraws from the fiasco which is the United Nation Convention For Refugees. I know I speak for the majority of Australians too.

    • Andrew says:

      09:05pm | 01/09/11

      Yeah meinsydney we understand, people in inner sydney are better educated, have a higher iQ, are morally superior and more compassionate then everyone else. Oh I forgot, there $%#@ dosent stink either.

    • meinsydney says:

      01:51pm | 01/09/11

      Engineer…and I live in the western suburbs of Sydney, and if you are an engineer, I think it very unlikely you are more educated than I am.  I didn’t say all suburbanites are racist, just that polls show that the majority of them live in marginal seats, which is why we have these ridiculous inhumane policies being propounded by both major parties.  And if you bothered to look at the studies/surveys/polls done re onshore vs. offshore processing, you would see that I am right when I say you do not represent the majority.  Don’t they teach engineers about statistics?

    • Engineer says:

      01:25pm | 01/09/11

      meinsydney - I do live in the suburbs of Perth and probably have a better education than you, not some mickey mouse Arts degree either. When I say I speak for the majority, I think I can safely say I do. Just refer to recent polls and where Labor is heading if you want proof. I find it pretty pathetic that you just assumed I didn’t live in the suburbs or have a good education.

    • meinsydney says:

      01:08pm | 01/09/11

      Actually, you don’t speak for the majority of Australians…not even close.  You speak for a minority, who are mostly located in marginal seats.  If people like you moved to the inner cities, or suburbs where the better educated reside, we wouldn’t have these embarrassing, inhumane policies.

    • Bal says:

      01:02pm | 01/09/11

      haha.. I’m sure you’d like Australia to withdraw from the fiasco called UNO completely and instead join the fiasco called USA.

    • hot tub political machine says:

      12:50pm | 01/09/11

      How do you know?

    • Elizabeth says:

      12:07pm | 01/09/11

      Here we go- get out the welcome mats- the Indonesians will be pushing off the boats from their shores by now. The kids who have been sent here by their irresponsible parents need to be told that they will not be able to participate in the family reunion program. All people arriving by boat should be fingerprinted, photographed and then put on a plane straight back to where they landed in Asia. That’s what happens if you arrive illegally at any Australian airport. They have passed through several democratic countries where they could have sought asylum. To get to Malaysia, Singapore or Indonesia they would have had to purchase airline tickets- so they have money so that makes them economic refugees- they want to come to Australia and then have access to CentreLink, Medicare and housing and anything that the government thinks that they might need. We have enough to worry about- i.e. Julia & Co and how to get rid of them before Australia goes down the drain. Talk about incompetence- bring on an election ASAP.

    • Embarrassing govt actions. says:

      12:02pm | 01/09/11

      People should consider also that Australia would save money by reducing the need for such high resources managing illegal boats, with the offshore processing solution, say like at Naaru.  That money could be spent processing asylum seekers faster.  I’m a taxpayer like many out there, I’d rather see a more cost effective use of my tax dollars rather than kneejerk actions of the current government (of which I am ashamed to have voted in via the greens as a ‘time for change’).  The change has not been for the better, and I can bet Labor will be trying to stay the whole hog term because they’d lose now if pressed for an election.

    • Bill of Queensland says:

      05:37pm | 02/09/11

      Those advocating releasing illegal arrivals into the community are dangerously naive! Those released will conceive or father a compelling reason to be granted residency! Australia has a generous humanitarian program considering the relatively small population.  QUEUE JUMPERS are NOT WELCOME! The hemorrhageing hearts brigade would quiver with indignation if the government implemented a scheme allowing residency to people who paid. Illegal boat arrivals have dudded Australian taxpayers for millions.  They travel to Indonesia bypassing normal UN and Australian legal channels to come to Australia. They, unlike arrivals by airplane, destroy their documents extending the time needed to sift through the farrago lies they peddle upon arrival at the Christmas Island visa factory.  Illegal arrivals will continue till there is CERTAINTY of NOT BEING ACCEPTED for residency in Australia! RESCIND THE UN CONVENTION ON REFUGEES! Remove the pull factor! Illegal arrivals should be detained and deported to their place of origin unless accepted by a UN controlled centre anywhere but in Australia and barred from entering Australia even if becoming citizens of a third country like NEW ZEALAND.

    • meinsydney says:

      02:11pm | 01/09/11

      Yep…I too made the mistake of voting for the Greens, not realising I’d be supporting Gillard by voting that way.  In my seat, the Greens did not direct preferences.  The Greens have taken the position that because there was already legislation in place allowing off shore processing, they could not stop it.  They speak the talk, but actions speak louder than words, and they should have told Gillard that if she proceeded with her plans for the Malaysia solution, they would withdraw their support. 
      Mandatory detention is ridiculous and unnecessary.  In Canada, the authorities have 30 days to get these people out into the community and it works very well for them.  Are we that much more incompetent than Canada that we can’t get them out of detention and into the community quicker than what we are doing?

    • Tony says:

      01:43pm | 01/09/11

      We could give them jobs in steel manufacturing….oh wait there is none

    • hot tub political machine says:

      01:19pm | 01/09/11

      Ah Bal, the problem with your suggestion is that it makes perfect sense.

    • Bal says:

      01:06pm | 01/09/11

      The answer is simple. Put these asylem seekers in the community with work visas and make them work. That way they will be paying taxes than living off our tax. Their application can then be processed in due time without extra cost to the community.

    • Karen says:

      10:41am | 01/09/11

      Here’s the point, once an assylym seeker steps foot on Australian soil, they are entitled to the full extent of the legal system and courts in processing their claim. This can take years. Their refugee claim must also be processed within 90 days. The whole point of processing assulym seekers off-shore is to circumvent that access to the courts, and there is no time limit to process their refugee claim. It is why the Tampa refugees were not allowed to land on Christmas Island back before Christmas Island was excised from Australia’s migration zone.
      If Naruu is now a signatory of the refugee convention, there may be little point in using Naruu as an off-shore processing solution. The Government would be better off setting up one of the other 4000 islands removed from Australia’s migration zone back in 2001.
      Processing assylum seekers in Malasia or elsewhere is not about stopping the people smugglers, it is because the government (any government, Liberal or Labor) is horrified at the potential cost of allowing tens of thousands of refugees to step foot on Austraian soil. When Australia signed up to the refugee convention, it never imagined that we would really ever need to take it seriously - after all we were so far away from the remainder of the world with no shared borders.
      But of course the government of the day can’t be blunt and say what this is actually about, so other words are used to pander to the prejudices of the various schools of thought in the elctorate. But the bottom line is money, and the inability of our court systems to cope with the load.

    • TonyK says:

      10:41am | 01/09/11

      To quote from another media source: Australia has a current annual intake of 13,750 asylum seekers under its humanitarian programme.  Of those, 6,000 are refugees from overseas referred to Australia for resettlement by the UN’s refugee agency - for example Iraqis in Syria or Burmese in Thailand.  The other 7,750 places are allocated as part of its special humanitarian programme. An example would be a foreigner living in Australia whose wife overseas was at risk of human rights abuse.

      Those entering Australia illegally by boat or plane take the places of those who could otherwise be granted asylum under this programme….The notion that the country is being swamped is a nonsense. The figure of 13,750 will not change (regardless of the number of boats or where people are ‘stored’); there is in fact an enormous amount of control.

    • Bal says:

      01:11pm | 01/09/11

      Good comment Tony. These are facts that people completely ignore. The opposition and some of the media isn’t doing any favours by spreading misleading information.

    • Dieter Meoeckel says:

      09:36am | 01/09/11

      The off-shore solution has always been Australia’s Guantanamo Bay solution to deny justice to asylum seekers. Its blame goes right back to Pauline Hanson’s racial hatred and Howard’s political opportunism at targeting Australian xenophobia exposed by Hanson.
      Shame on Australians and their government for exploiting the express distress and disadvantage of some of the world’s most desperate people.

    • meinsydney says:

      02:22pm | 01/09/11

      John, don’t you even have basic research skills?  Go find the polls yourself. ...they were the subject of a major news article just about a week ago…but I suppose you don’t read anything you or your fellow racists haven’t written.  You’d be far better off getting yourself an education than wasting your time posting racist comments here.

    • meinsydney says:

      02:22pm | 01/09/11

      John, don’t you even have basic research skills?  Go find the polls yourself. ...they were the subject of a major news article just about a week ago…but I suppose you don’t read anything you or your fellow racists haven’t written.  You’d be far better off getting yourself an education than wasting your time posting racist comments here.

    • meinsydney says:

      02:22pm | 01/09/11

      John, don’t you even have basic research skills?  Go find the polls yourself. ...they were the subject of a major news article just about a week ago…but I suppose you don’t read anything you or your fellow racists haven’t written.  You’d be far better off getting yourself an education than wasting your time posting racist comments here.

    • John says:

      02:16pm | 01/09/11

      @Bal…I have had a good look at myself, I am a fine, hard working, taxpayer who is sick of our taxes being wasted on illegal immigrants because of a few bleeding hearts who make a lot of noise while the rest of us are working.
      If you want to see my solid arguments, read my other comments on this page.
      Nice attempt at superiority at the end of your message. Ignorant morons make me shudder for the future of this country

    • John says:

      01:52pm | 01/09/11

      @meinsydney…really? what polls were they? the ones you just made up?
      LOL!! you are a joke!

    • Bal says:

      01:50pm | 01/09/11

      @John
      huh.. have a good look at yourself. Read Dieter’s comment and then your own and then tell us who is shouting who down here? You are the one who gave absolutely no solid argument at all and resorted to using abusive language..
      Idiots like you make me laugh.

    • meinsydney says:

      12:45pm | 01/09/11

      Dieter….nice to see an educated person posting here.  You are in the majority….recent polls showed that most of the xenophobes/racists supporting the “stop the boats” policies resided in marginal seats, and that the majority of Australians disagree.  I wish we could deport the racists instead.

    • John says:

      10:03am | 01/09/11

      @Dieter ...blah blah…racist…blah…xenophobic…blah blah red neck…
      Shut so Fk up!!!! You Illegal entrant sympathisers have no solid arguments…you just try to shout people down and keep them quiet with abuse
      Throw a ton of sh-t and hope that some sticks…or at least that people will keep their heads down to avoid in the first place

    • josh says:

      09:59am | 01/09/11

      If you think they are desperate then congratulations for being gullible.

    • Miles says:

      09:26am | 01/09/11

      I really wish these people would stopping being referred to as ‘refugees’ - they are,for the most part, illegal financial migrants.  They country-shop to come to Australia to take advantage of our overly generous welfare - bypassing multiple safe (and often more culturally aligned) countries on the way.  REAL refugees are stuck on the borders of their countries in camps and do not have the funds to travel half way around the world via people smugglers.  Australia (and the west in general) are simply being taken advantage of and it will be to the detrminent of us all.

    • Bill of Queensland says:

      07:51am | 01/09/11

      Malaysia and other countries have been smart enough not to surrender border control to the United nations! PEOPLE SMUGGLERS HAVE EXPLOITED the LABOR OPEN DOOR! To date Labor has not been in control of border security because it is pulled in the opposite direction by a CONTROLLING MINORITY and bound by the 1951 UN Convention on Refugees which effectively commandeers an open ended budget and renders the GOVERNMENT IMPOTENT in dealing with illegal arrivals! POLICIES RELYING ON OTHER COUNTRIES ARE FUNDAMENTALLY FLAWED! Border security is a core government responsibility which cannot be outsourced! Illegal arrivals will continue till there is CERTAINTY of NOT BEING ACCEPTED for residency in Australia! RESCIND THE 1951 UN CONVENTION on refugees which has been abused by the group on the Ocean Viking and every boatload since! Amend any legislation which enables detainees to sue the government. Remove the VISA pull factor! Illegal arrivals should be detained and deported to their place of origin unless accepted by a UN controlled centre anywhere but in Australia and barred from entering Australia even after becoming citizens of a third country like NEW ZEALAND.

    • Will says:

      05:16pm | 01/09/11

      Go meinsydney!
      You are totally owning these morons. I saw a few of these ignorant bigoted rants before lunch today and didn’t have time to respond so I was very pleased to see a more intelligent level headed individual such as yourself has put them back in their place.
      Sadly, I think a lot of what you’re saying goes over their little heads but good on you for trying to educate them and for presenting the views of more sensible, compassionate Australians like me.

    • John says:

      02:28pm | 01/09/11

      @meinsydney
      Calling me a racist/muslimphobe without any justification makes you an inorant bigot. I have made no comments about muslims or people of any race. Shows how shallow your argument is if you have to resort to slander and personal abuse to get your point across.

    • meinsydney says:

      02:18pm | 01/09/11

      John, being Jewish I know far more about the Holocaust than you I’m sure, and know that it’s thinking like yours and Wynston’s that led to that terrible atrocity.  I also know that boats of Jewish people escaping the holocaust were turned away from many countries, many sent back to be killed…which is basically what you and the other racist/muslimphobes want for people being persecuted in their own countries. 
      As for their lack of identification, what a sheltered life you have led….do you really not know at least one person who comes from a country that doesn’t or didn’t keep birth records?  Should we discriminate against them because their countries were too poor to have a registry of birth deaths and marriages like we have?  Or do you think when enemy forces killed their parents and siblings, before they tried to escape they should have returned home to get their paperwork?  My goodness….all I can say is thank goodness the majority of Aussies aren’t as ignorant and cruel minded as the likes of you.

    • John says:

      02:01pm | 01/09/11

      @meinsydney
      First…read my reply to Dieter at 10:03 am…same goes double for you
      Second, I have every right to be here…I was born here, I work and pay taxes and my identity and history is available for the government to check which does not apply to the boat arrivals
      Third…where do you get off on your insane rant about white Australia?...who mentioned living in Iran?...Calling someone a Nazi shows you have no idea of history or the Holocaust…
      Your insane rant shows you have no grasp of the issues whatsoever

    • meinsydney says:

      01:57pm | 01/09/11

      Wynston, do you know anything about Australian history?  You might think you deserve to be here more than those seeking refuge from war torn countries,  but I don’t agree with you.  So, based on your illogical thinking, we should only allow people with criminal records being deported from their native countries to immigrate here.  Who’s the bozo?  LOL.

    • John says:

      01:50pm | 01/09/11

      Another mindless rant from the stupid gullible bleeding hearts who love wasting taxpayers money

    • Wynston Cruso says:

      01:44pm | 01/09/11

      meinsydney - Loving the old ‘well why doesn’t everyone except the aborigines leave’ argument. Fuck me if that isn’t the stupidest thing I have ever heard. It was a conquest bro, we deserve to be here, nuff said. Nice to see you finished your totally inept response by invoking Godwin’s law. You sir, have won the internet.

    • Bal says:

      01:40pm | 01/09/11

      Why only wind back 50 or 60 years? why not go back another couple of hundred years and kick everyone off this island who isn’t Aboriginal? That way we’ll only have the REAL AUSSIES left in Australia. Let’s see how you like that.

      The only people who have a real right to call this country theirs and say “I want to decide who comes to my country” are the Aboriginal people. I wonder if the british ever asked the Aboriginal if the white man was welcome here.

    • meinsydney says:

      12:36pm | 01/09/11

      I am guessing you are not Aboriginal?  I suggest we deport xenophobics such as yourself, who have no greater entitlement to be here than anyone else.  I suppose you’d have us go back to the White Australia policy if you had your way.  If you think these people are coming from safe countries, I suggest you move to one of those places.  I’m sure you’d love life in Iran….not.  I’m guessing you would have loved Hitler Germany.  I suppose you wouldn’t mind if the aboriginals sent you to Malaysian detention for awhile whilst they decided if you should be allowed to live here?
      You and all your fellow racists are nothing but an embarrassment to the many good people of this country.  Thank goodness we have a fine High Court with educated, sensible Judges, otherwise the likes of you would turn us into the old South Africa or Hitler Germany.  .

    • John says:

      11:07am | 01/09/11

      Absolutely agree!!
      Well written, well done. You are more intelligent than all the people smuggling morons on this page put together.

    • mick says:

      10:32pm | 31/08/11

      The do gooders in society who support an open door policy may well have to wear the results of their beliefs in the future.  I noticed that the torch was again put to taxpayer funded accommodation - Darwin this time.  This is from prospective Australians.  Yes there are frustrations but do Australians really want people like these in our benign society?  I for one do not believe that it is prudent to bring in every person wanting to escape an oppressive regime.  More than that I do not want to see immigrants who come to this country to set up copies of the failed model which led to people wanting to escape in the first place.

    • jaki says:

      09:58pm | 31/08/11

      Hey, at least this news will overshadow the Craig Thompson story for a while, so Labor probably see this as a win !
      Anyway, it’s bound to be Tony Abbotts fault….....somehow

    • Dash says:

      09:56pm | 31/08/11

      Anyone who votes for the federal ALP now surely would vote Labor even if Joseph Stalin was their leader! Unbelievable pack of hopeless fools!

    • Outraged says:

      09:43pm | 31/08/11

      Can you imagine if Howard proposed this “Policy”? The rabid left would accuse him of “Human Trafficking” and treating humans as stock!

      ...but when Gillard does it, then it’s all OK. I wonder what the lefties, beloved U.N. would think of this deal?

    • willy K says:

      09:13pm | 31/08/11

      This Govt is not a bad Govt…. it is Satanic.

      FMD.  When the people finally dispatch this pack of incompetent b*stards I will pay for a street party to celebrate.

      This Govt will rot in Hell.

    • Shane From Melbourne says:

      10:02pm | 31/08/11

      And the next one, probably…..

    • Emily says:

      09:04pm | 31/08/11

      What does this say about Gillard who was a lawyer before politics?  She must be one of the most useless in her firm.  Never pay attention to her job.  Now we have a PM who has not a shred of credibility, fail at EVERYTHING she touched, not a shred of morality, lier, cannot calculate, indecent,...  Just go to hell yourself Gillard, don’t take the rest of us with you.

    • MichaelM says:

      08:51pm | 31/08/11

      The regional hub concept for dealing with refugees who arrive in South East Asia from the West and North West of this region of ours, divorced from short-sighted preoccupations about Australia and Malaysia only, IS an elegant solution as Chris Bowen says of it.

      A hub that takes all refugees that end up in this region, processes them in an humanitarian and respectful manner, and then finds places all around the world where duly processed asylum seekers are seen to be in the ‘queue’ by the simple fact of their having passed through the hub, is precisely how the situation of displaced people should be handled. Everywhere, actually.

      The model, successfully established, could have set up mirroring hubs for Africa and Europe, for the United States and Central/South America. Instead of ‘edge of town’, middle of the Indian Ocean detention sites, the seeking of asylum process could have been streamlined, placed into a set of international conventions, and stripped of danger and abuses.

      As I have always understood the expressed intentions of Prime Minister Gillard and her government, this was how the “regional hub” to be located in Malaysia would operate upon its full development.

      That possibility has been derailed, which will more than likely simply return us all, Australians, Australia, refugees, and people smugglers, back to an ad hoc non-process for handling asylum seekers’ legitimate search for safety and freedom that puts lives at risk.

      Did I see an instant’s concern for refugees on the ‘told you so’ smirk across Scott Morrison’s face when he was interviewed about the High Court decision? Not so much as a whisker, even though sending refugees to Nauru was just as comprehensively rendered unacceptable by the same decision.

      In his hurry, and that of other Coalition spokespeople, to score political points over the lives of real people fleeing oppression and danger, there was nothing of compassion, nothing of a real alternative solution, nothing but oneupmanship.

      Hollow, vicious, dismissive. Rather like the Coalition Pacific Solution itself.

    • michael says:

      01:38pm | 16/09/11

      I must agree Michael M a regional solution is the best way to go , under our present system we are mostly receiving asylum seekers to our shores who are clearly queue jumpers, simply because they have the money to hire a smuggler, its as simple as that to those who support these boat people are conned and to those people you ignore the people at the head of the queue in Malaysia , people who have not the money to pay smugglers, they have been waiting 10 years and may die there, because the queue jumpers are supported by people in this country who refuse to have show compassion for those waiting 10 years and refuse to admit they are wrong, shame on you.
      I am from the left of politics and admit I was wrong supporting boat people, I now support the Malaysian solution.

    • marley says:

      10:03am | 01/09/11

      @michael - your regional hub solution assumes that you can process asylum seekers who arrive in the pacific region, and then farm them out worldwide.  But the bulk of the world’s refugees aren’t floating around Malaysia or Indonesia, they’re in Europe and Africa.  So, if we have regional hubs there, we’re going to get a lot more refugees from them than we’ll be sending off to them.

    • Saskia says:

      10:08pm | 31/08/11

      Total public service crap like the above or we could just control our borders and stop the boats.

      Give me an ugly solution with a beautiful result everytime.

      There is no future for the ALP. The party that time forgot.

    • Adam diver says:

      10:01pm | 31/08/11

      Nice sentiment but as usual lacking logic. One question Michael is there as many spots for refugees as there are refugees?

      Just think about it

    • stephen says:

      09:59pm | 31/08/11

      It was not ‘rendered unacceptable’ as far as I know, but the Judgement implied that the Nauru solution may be now at risk from a similar complaint.
      But let’s test it, and see what this Court makes of a past act that was deemed a success.

    • Ben81 says:

      08:34pm | 31/08/11

      All they had to do was leave things alone back in 2007.  They could have even left Howard looking like the bad guy.  They must be kicking themselves now.

    • Kim says:

      06:51pm | 01/09/11

      @John

      On the contrary. It shows that Howard was one of the worst Prime Ministers we ever had. He should never have been allowed to process refugees offshore. They should be processed here.

    • John T says:

      02:56pm | 01/09/11

      This all goes to show that Howard was one of the best prime Ministers we ever had, although with this sorry lot, i must say it makes him look even better

    • Philip says:

      08:32pm | 31/08/11

      Plan B?

    • Sarah says:

      02:06pm | 01/09/11

      @MarK - Dear God I about rolled around the floor laughing til I cried over that one.  Comment of the day!

    • MarK says:

      09:14pm | 31/08/11

      We are up to about plan F for no fucking idea now.

    • AJ Power says:

      08:12pm | 31/08/11

      Go the high court, we have now seen them knock out the bikie legislation of two states and now this.  Hopefully governments hell bent on doing what ever the hell they want without a thread of decency are going to get a wake up call.

    • marcus says:

      07:56pm | 31/08/11

      And Gillard was a lawyer?

    • Against the Man says:

      08:45pm | 31/08/11

      Melbourne uni will be distancing themselves from her. An utter embarrassment to her alma mater.

      Gillard is bring shame all round isn’t she? smile

    • Sony b Goode says:

      08:32pm | 31/08/11

      Apparently she was good to set up accounts you could use for anything at all….

      Anyone want to wager how long before labors primary vote start with a 1?

    • Nan says:

      08:26pm | 31/08/11

      Totaly agree with you Shane,as a tax payer i am sick of working to keep people in style,and my taxes paying lawyers to fight the Australian goverment to keep them here,what is going on here,Australia is well a basket case,we cann’t look after our own people,yet we are ready to spend billions on blow in,nobody in goverment cares what we want,

    • Shane From Melbourne says:

      07:32pm | 31/08/11

      Just anull Australia’s signature to the 1951 convention and then make it illegal to be in Australia without a valid visa. What could be more simple than that?

    • Demoman says:

      10:58am | 01/09/11

      See what happened to South Africa when they didn’t jump aboard the progressive Western bandwagon. Nullifying the treaty would likely result in a loss of political capital with Western nations that we have worked hard to gain. This would not be ideal.

      We need to be creative in our approach such that we appear to support the treaty but in reality make it extremely difficult for anyone to actually come here, much like the Japanese and Korean aproach.

    • Against the Man says:

      08:41pm | 31/08/11

      Pressing the LIKE button for jf’s answer smile

    • jf says:

      07:44pm | 31/08/11

      Shane From Melbourne says: 07:32pm | 31/08/11

      “What could be more simple than that?”

      I know the answer to this: the cabinet of the Government of the Commonwealth of Australia.

    • nossy says:

      07:30pm | 31/08/11

      I wonder will Gillard take the 2PP vote into the teens and become the undisputed “Limbo Queen” - the question is “how low can she go” as I do believe we are almost in unchartered waters requiring the services of someone of the calibre of Superman to bring the good ship Labor back on course? As that wonderful Honda ad says “Whats next?”

    • I'm nossy and so's my wife says:

      09:33pm | 31/08/11

      @nossy: *mummy’s
      Okay, I’m off to bed. Keen to see the headlines tomorrow morning.

    • nossy says:

      08:19pm | 31/08/11

      @I’m nossy too and so’s my wife   - look its way past your bed time gurlie now get off mummys PC and its off to bed !  ahahahhahah Love ya!

    • nossy says:

      08:13pm | 31/08/11

      @nihonin - hey buddy thats my line! Honestly though its Gillard who has done this damge to herself no Abbott- I doubt Abbott will prove too much better but by geez it looks like the boover boy of politics may get a chance!

    • nihonin says:

      08:02pm | 31/08/11

      nossy, the papers and other media will have all the Labor MP’s and of course the PM, reiterating the same thing…..........it’s Tony Abbott’s fault…....somehow.

    • I'm nossy too and so's my wife says:

      07:58pm | 31/08/11

      You really shouldn’t post in nossy’s name.  You’ll give him a reputation as a clear thinker.

    • Cynic says:

      07:22pm | 31/08/11

      And we get to take the 4,000 refugees as part of the malaysian deal as well, bonus!!!. So as soon as the opponents here to off shore processing put ther hands up i am sure some of us can arrange to place the illegal boat people in your homes “free of charge” to us! You can feed, cloth and house them as you are so generous and sleep peacefully knowing you are above the rest of us. By the way, no government hand outs either! You want to look after them, you do and you pay for it out of your money.

    • MarK says:

      07:17pm | 31/08/11

      The exclamation point, the underline and the final proof that this government is pointless.

      I cannot recall a more useless rabble at any level….and that includes Kennealy and co.

      Time to move on and discuss what happens next.

      Can’t wait to see what farr writes.

    • Ryan says:

      04:13pm | 02/09/11

      @Ryan

      If you’re so naive that you can’t see that when Howard said, “I do know that at some point this country has to wind back the re-regulation of the labour market”, he’s saying, “The Coalition will bring back WorkChoices.”, then you’re just as stupid as JF.

    • RyaN says:

      10:25am | 02/09/11

      @Ryan: nope scanned all John Howards comments there, not once did he say the word “WorkChoices”, oh and calling people stupid is what thick people do who cannot construct a decent argument.

    • jf says:

      09:48pm | 01/09/11

      Ryan says: 06:41pm | 01/09/11

      Settle down buttercup.

      In the interview with John Howard, Chris Uhlman asked about Workchoices and Howard specifically declined to discuss it.

      It was, at best, a ten second mention.

      It was Mal Farr who wrote an article about it after Chris Evans vainly attempted to make it an issue.

      You, even amongst those brave few still defending Old Gil, are the only one who truly thinks that it is even remotely still an issue.

      In fact, the only current industrial relations issue is the issue of the lost productivity and lost jobs as a result of Old Gil’s industrial policies which even the usually circumspect (and ALP friendly) Glen Stevens raised as being problematic.

    • Ryan says:

      06:41pm | 01/09/11

      @Ryan

      Thanks for confirming JF’s stupidity. First he was wrong when he claimed that it was Malcolm Farr and not John Howard who brought up WorkChoices again. Then he was wrong again when he claimed,  “No further mention of Workchoices”. And not just wrong but stupid to make stuff up that could be easily proven to be a lie, which I then did. If you’re so naive that you can’t see that when Howard said, “I do know that at some point this country has to wind back the re-regulation of the labour market”, he’s saying, “The Coalition will bring back WorkChoices.”, then you’re just as stupid as JF.

    • jf says:

      05:45pm | 01/09/11

      Ryan says:12:20pm | 01/09/11

      “Good one JF. You’ve managed to make yourself look even more stupid now.”

      Let’s summarise the conversation.

      Uhlmann asked Howard about Workchoices.

      Howard said that he didn’t want to talk about it.

      Malcolm Farr then, in a desperate attempt to divert attention from the latest bumble by Old Gil, wrote an article about Workchoices.

      But, now that we are on the topic, I thought that the coalition didn’t have any policies, so how could there be one to criticise?

      Oh, and harking back two elections to old coalition policy that hasn’t been part of their platform since then, what specifically was so bad about workchoices? Any ideas Ryan?

    • RyaN says:

      05:30pm | 01/09/11

      @Ryan: I have gone through that transcript you posted and compared it against your original statement to which jf took you to task.
      Lets look shall we…

      “It was John Howard who brought up WorkChoices again, not Malcom Farr. “

      And your last post clearly shows that Chris Uhlmann is the person who brought up Workchoices not John Howard.

      Clearly it was not Mal Farr who brought it up so that part of your statement is true however the first part of your statement is clearly not.

      I in fact was witness to the Mal Farr article that appeared on news.com.au at the same time as the article he wrote about the Malaysia deal being squashed, that article was taken down after many negative comments. I believe this is what MarK was inferring to.

      Calling jf stupid for pointing out that you are at least half wrong in your original statement is not helping.

    • Ryan says:

      12:20pm | 01/09/11

      @JF

      Good to see you’re trying to keep up, but things really must be desperate if the best you can do is make stuff up that can be easily proven to be a lie.

      “CHRIS UHLMANN: Looking at one of those things that was very important to you, which was industrial relations, why is the Coalition mute now on industrial relations? Did you make it harder for them through WorkChoices?

      JOHN HOWARD: No, I don’t think so. But how they handle the tactics of Opposition is for them. I’m sworn off, I’ve taken a vow of silence when it comes to talking about the detail of tactics. That’s a matter for them. I’m not there. I’m the past as far as parliamentary tactics are concerned, but I do know that at some point this country has to wind back the re-regulation of the labour market.

      CHRIS UHLMANN: And that will be a job for the Coalition?

      JOHN HOWARD: Well, it won’t happen under Labor because Labor is run by the unions - even more so now than they were when I was Prime Minister.

      CHRIS UHLMANN: Without going to the tactics or it though, certainly at some stage the Coalition is going to find its voice?

      JOHN HOWARD: Well, it’s blindingly obvious that one of the worst mistakes Julia Gillard has made is to re-regulate the labour market. It is affecting our productivity and it will therefore affect our competitiveness.”

      Good one JF. You’ve managed to make yourself look even more stupid now.

    • Ryan says:

      11:47am | 01/09/11

      @JF

      Good to see you’re trying to keep up, but things really must be desperate if the best you can do is make stuff up that can be easily proven to be a lie.

      “CHRIS UHLMANN: Looking at one of those things that was very important to you, which was industrial relations, why is the Coalition mute now on industrial relations? Did you make it harder for them through WorkChoices?

      JOHN HOWARD: No, I don’t think so. But how they handle the tactics of Opposition is for them. I’m sworn off, I’ve taken a vow of silence when it comes to talking about the detail of tactics. That’s a matter for them. I’m not there. I’m the past as far as parliamentary tactics are concerned, but I do know that at some point this country has to wind back the re-regulation of the labour market.

      CHRIS UHLMANN: And that will be a job for the Coalition?

      JOHN HOWARD: Well, it won’t happen under Labor because Labor is run by the unions - even more so now than they were when I was Prime Minister.

      CHRIS UHLMANN: Without going to the tactics or it though, certainly at some stage the Coalition is going to find its voice?

      JOHN HOWARD: Well, it’s blindingly obvious that one of the worst mistakes Julia Gillard has made is to re-regulate the labour market. It is affecting our productivity and it will therefore affect our competitiveness.”

      Good one JF. You’ve managed to make yourself look even more stupid now.

    • jf says:

      10:25am | 01/09/11

      Ryan says:08:52am | 01/09/11

      “CHRIS UHLMANN: Looking at one of those things that was very important to you, which was industrial relations, why is the Coalition mute now on industrial relations? Did you make it harder for them through WorkChoices?

      JOHN HOWARD: No, I don’t think so. But how they handle the tactics of Opposition is for them. I’m sworn off, I’ve taken a vow of silence when it comes to talking about the detail of tactics. That’s a matter for them. I’m not there. I’m the past as far as parliamentary tactics are concerned, but I do know that at some point this country has to wind back the re-regulation of the labour market”

      No further mention of Workchoices.

      Good one Ryan. Things really must be desperate if the best you can do is make stuff up that can be easily proven to be a lie.

    • Ryan says:

      08:52am | 01/09/11

      @Mark and JF

      It was John Howard who brought it up in his interview with Chris Uhlman on the 7 30 Report.

      Do try to keep up. You might not look so stupid next time.

    • jf says:

      10:48pm | 31/08/11

      Ryan says: 08:27pm | 31/08/11 @Mark

      “It was John Howard who brought up WorkChoices again, not Malcom Farr.”

      It was Malcolm Farr writing a story on a baseless claim by “Chris Evans”. On a day in which the High Court over-ruled the federal government on policy with massive domestic and international implications. It is so desperate it is pathetic.

      Oh well, I guess they’ll pass another piece of legislation to increase the softness of parliamentary dunny paper and put out a press release about their how busy they’ve been passing legislation.

    • John the Zombie says:

      10:41pm | 31/08/11

      Ryan Howard is longer a member of the liberal party. Also it was a question he was asked by the reporter. Also Howard aknowledges his 2007 workchoices went to far and the system he had in place prior to the 2007 changes actually just needed a bit of tweeking.

      In the interview tell what he said was wrong?

    • Ryan says:

      08:27pm | 31/08/11

      @Mark

      It was John Howard who brought up WorkChoices again, not Malcom Farr.

    • MarK says:

      08:04pm | 31/08/11

      Oh I just saw what farr is writing. A workchoices thing.

      Well knock me over with a feather.

      Labor is trouble = bring out workchoices.

      what a laugh.

    • Chris_D says:

      07:05pm | 31/08/11

      If you applied the full bench of the High Court to a lot of “laws” in Australia they would probably not pass “the litmus test of legality”.

      But most of us do not have the means to have lawyers test every law at that level.  But illegal immigrants apparently do.

    • marley says:

      07:53pm | 31/08/11

      Look, this particular one was a “no brainer” from the start.  Anyone with even a slight understanding of the law, would have known that the Courts would never approve this deal. The issue isn’t why illegal immigrants have access to decent lawyers;  the issue is why a government, with whole departments full of lawyers, doesn’t.  Or why it doesn’t listen to the advice it gets.

    • stephen says:

      07:03pm | 31/08/11

      Well i wasn’t trying to get back at them because they brought this matter to court, but it seems to me that the onus of respectibility is theirs, as well as ours, and those that pay people-smugglers must also incur penalty.

    • stephen says:

      06:59pm | 31/08/11

      If the people smugglers are doing illegal acts and the refugees are knowingly participating in this act, why aren’t they then charged with an offence when they first step on shore ?

    • Northern Steve says:

      07:43pm | 31/08/11

      The refugees are not involved in a criminal act.  They are travelling in order to claim asylum and refugee status - an entirely legal act. Often the people in control of the boats are also not the organisers and money makers of the venture - they’re safe and sound back in Indo looking for new boats and crew.  A full solution to people travelling by boats has to include solutions to other issues back in Indonesia as well.  I suspect after the live animal trade fiasco, our government will have few friends in Indo to help them in this way.

    • Steve says:

      07:23pm | 31/08/11

      There are currently 300 poor Indonesian fisherman in custody awaiting trial for people s,uggling.

      There is a seperate legal challenge afoot to challenge the legality of people smuggling. If successful it will have huge consequences including massive compensation.

    • Peter says:

      06:58pm | 31/08/11

      I wonder how soon it will be until Labor introduces the Malasian Swap Deal Stuff Up tax to go with the Flood tax and the Carbon Tax.  It wouldn’t be so bad if only the moron Labor, Green & independant voters responsible for foisting this lot of incompetants on the rest of us had to pay them.

    • HeatherG says:

      08:32am | 01/09/11

      To be fair on indy voters they had no way of knowing that their conservative-leaning indies were going to about-face on them. The only Indy who declared his allegiance pre-election was Brandt.

    • TheDreamer says:

      06:46pm | 31/08/11

      KRudd as the face to the world.
      Costello as the Treasurer and whatever other position he wants.
      Turnbull can smooch up to the big business.

      Heck they can rotate the PM like a hat every year.

      We just want the right people in the right spots doing what they want well.

      Anyone else thinking the whole party system is just a huge waste of time?

      Yeah yeah dream yadda yadda

    • Mark says:

      06:39pm | 31/08/11

      Great news. Howard should never have been allowed to process refugees offshore. They should be processed here.

    • John the Zombie says:

      10:16pm | 31/08/11

      What has happened when they have been proccessed here. They riot and burn building down and now say we must be allowed in the commuinity while our applications are proccessing. So lets say they are let out in the community and there application is rejected (remember the last set of riots was because one of the asylum seekers was refused and thier application rejected)  and they choose to riot like what has been seen in the centres, then what?

      Do we then say ok we will not bother doing applications and just say here come and live in the community we wont even bother with security and health checks.

    • Adam says:

      09:37pm | 31/08/11

      Cmon doped read the article its not off shore that is the issue it’s the outsourcing that matters. We processed assylum seekers on Nauru whereas Malaysia is responsible for them in this case

    • Mark says:

      08:22pm | 31/08/11

      @likesjoiningdots

      Refugees should never have been processed offshore. They should be processed here.

    • stephen says:

      08:09pm | 31/08/11

      I think, ‘Grat. Adv’. is that the govt. should open Nauru and test the law even with the High Court if necessary.
      If offshore processing is illegal, then the feds should change the law.
      Because we are signatories to the UN Convention on Refugees does not deny us the avenue to agrogate a law that is not in our interests.
      (And if Kevin Rudd wants an Oz seat on the UN Security Council, he may have to wait.)

    • Likes Joining Dots says:

      07:52pm | 31/08/11

      Mark, there were many years with Howard at the helm, which was surely enough time for their policy to be challenged and for the High Court to reverse it.

      Why then does it only take several weeks for the High Court to reverse Gillards alternative solution?

      Forget Howard, this is about the Gillard government and their proposal.

    • marley says:

      07:50pm | 31/08/11

      i think that , now that Nauru is a signatory, it could be back on the cards.

    • Gratuitous Adviser says:

      07:29pm | 31/08/11

      Steven, What Mark, I think, is saying is that because of the High Court decision, Nauru may be off the cards as well.  Nauru was apparently never legally apparently.
      The people smugglers and illegal immigrants have won a great victory today.

    • stephen says:

      07:05pm | 31/08/11

      Nauru is the answer ; always has been.

    • nihonin says:

      06:54pm | 31/08/11

      Mark, are you meaning Howard was processing refugees in UNHCR camps here in Australia, then unbeknown to the people he started processing them off shore?

    • Shooter says:

      06:39pm | 31/08/11

      Gillard has to step down. If this was one of my mangers they would have been fired a long time ago. If I had made these many stuff ups my boss in the states would have fired me as well. That is the problem around the western world political parties.

    • The Galah from Hervey Bay says:

      06:38pm | 31/08/11

      The saddest thing about all this is that the matter had been virtually solved by the Howard government . The Pacific Solution had effectively stopped the boats . Nauru was handling the housing of boat people in a humane way and the message had seeped through to those scumbags who take the money from the queue jumpers.

      The mess will remain a mess until the Coalition is back in government to clean up the shambles left by a useless Labor minority propped up by a bunch of proven lunatics.

      Is there a chance that Gillard is Whitlam’s love child.  ?

    • Leigh says:

      08:50pm | 31/08/11

      Dave, whatever Nauru was, it was a big improvement for someone who’s life was in enough mortal peril to make the voyage here.

      Only, once they started going to Nauru, suddenly they weren’t in such mortal peril after all and stopped coming.  Funny that.

      Ask your average somali in a war torn UN camp in africa how they would feel about moving to Nauru with air con, tv, internet and most of all, safety.

      These are economic refugees, who not getting what they want, riot and destroy facilities.  people fearing for their life looking for safety from rape and murder wouldn’t do these things.

    • MarK says:

      08:23pm | 31/08/11

      ”  Dave says:  07:36pm | 31/08/11
        Where do you get the idea that Nauru was humane?”

      Where do get the idea it wasn’t. I am sure you will tell us.

      ” Thats far from the truth.”

      Oh I see you are just going lie. Awesome tactic.

      ” Youd like to think its true but its not. Nauru was inhumane and extremely cruel - it was the equivalent of an Australian detention camp in a dump with appalling conditions.”

      So no proof. You are just going back to the Rudd era pers tactic of repeating a lie in the hope it takes hold.

      ” There’s not a scrap of evidence that suggests otherwise.”

      And yet you have no evidence to present yourself.

      ” And it wasnt subject to the convention on refugees - which makes me wonder why the decision to send people there wasnt also illegal.”

      Why didn’t you mount a challenge then genius. Did it occur to you that as Australia ran the Pacific Solution detention centres for illegal boat people (ILLEGAL I SAY) then it was ok.

      ” But you people are deluded and nothing is going to alter that.”

      Cry me a river luv.

        ”  The humane way is to process them here. There is no moral alternative.”

      Cry moar…and lie moar. It is all you have,

    • Dave says:

      07:36pm | 31/08/11

      Where do you get the idea that Nauru was humane? Thats far from the truth. Youd like to think its true but its not. Nauru was inhumane and extremely cruel - it was the equivalent of an Australian detention camp in a dump with appalling conditions. There’s not a scrap of evidence that suggests otherwise. And it wasnt subject to the convention on refugees - which makes me wonder why the decision to send people there wasnt also illegal. But you people are deluded and nothing is going to alter that.
      The humane way is to process them here. There is no moral alternative.

    • MarK says:

      07:33pm | 31/08/11

      “The saddest thing about all this is that the matter had been virtually solved by the Howard government .”

      I have to disagree.

      It HAD BEEN solved. Good post though raspberry

    • Woodsy says:

      06:36pm | 31/08/11

      This government is way too arrogant to even consider using Nauru, doing so would be an admission that the Coalition had it right all along.  And we couldn’t have that now could we?

    • Tony of Poorakistan says:

      08:56am | 01/09/11

      I just hope we are not forced to take the extra 4,000 without getting rid of ANY

    • Super D says:

      06:36pm | 31/08/11

      This government is a rolling disaster.  There will be at least another decade in opposition for the ALP - if not longer.

    • Max Redlands says:

      06:34pm | 31/08/11

      Forget the Convoy of no Consequence this government is a Tsunami of Incompetence.

    • Andrew says:

      08:29pm | 01/09/11

      So Peter and Will, tell us all about the 14 years of stuff ups, your been asked before Peter, bur refuse to answer. Howard wasnt perfect but I guarantee we can think of more stuff ups in the past 4 years of labor then we can for 14 years of Howard

    • Will says:

      04:03pm | 01/09/11

      Sorry Bob, Peter’s right. Howard’s govt. was both immoral and incompetent. They were however, extremely competent at playing to the lowest common denominator and licking George Bush’s ass.

    • Bob says:

      02:01pm | 01/09/11

      I’m Gen Y and have clear, distinct memories of an actual competent government. I recall the Howard government being called immoral, dishonest, etc but never incompetent.

      How old do you think Gen X’ers and Y’s are? The last time we had a competent, effectual government was only about four years ago.

    • Peter from the bush says:

      01:17pm | 01/09/11

      I take it that you are Gern X or Y and havent looked at the past Howard stuffups.Go look at 14 years of stuff ups and then appologise

    • Kim says:

      06:34pm | 31/08/11

      it’s a great day for human rights but probably will also be the start of weeks and months of hypocritcal ravings from the Oppostion. They somehow have set themselves up as a guardian of human rights when in fact they also have pandered, over the last 10 years or more, to the lobby that would prefer that the odd boat or 2 sinks. It’s been a race to the bottom of the barrel on both sides and a disgrace. The Greens have been the only ones to have stuck to any human rights based principles ( as opposed to the principles of “what might get me elected” successfully while whipping up an pandering to fear and prejudice)  throught this sordid mess.

    • Andrew says:

      08:25pm | 01/09/11

      So tell me digger, egg, kim,acotrel and the rest, you think its good to support a policy that encourages people to put there lives and there childrens lives at risk. You think it good to support a policy that encourages people with money to jump ahead of those people who dont, and in some cases have been locked up in a camps for years waiting for relocation. You think its find to spend millions of dollars on these people you come here illegally when we could be spending this money on bringing over more people from proper refugee camps or on our own homeless. The only people who are crying crocodile tears are people like you who pretend they care about refugees, but really you only care about the trying to look morally superior to everyone else. Or about feeling good about yourself. Oh those poor refugees, what they must have gone through, do you think all those refugees locked up all over the world, who dont have the money to pay people smugglers, or decide to do the right thing and go through the right channels, havent been through hell as well.  I guess you dont see them on the news so out of sight out of mind, lets feel sorry for the ones who wrought the system and are on the news. If you had any real compassion you would be asking for a policy that stops people risking there lives, a policy that doesn’t allow people to make money out of other peoples misery. A policy that would allow us to take more of those refugees that are currently sitting in camps the world over and deserve to be relocated a dam site more then those that come here illegally.

    • Damocles says:

      05:53pm | 01/09/11

      Oh poor egg…........she’s upset at our callous treatment of the “boat people”! You meanies, let them all in, we can all sit down together and have a cup of herbal tea and be friends and stuff. We don’t need to know who they are, what they’ve done, where they’ve come from, we can all live together in peace and harmony. Egg is really, really cross and ashamed to be an Australian. She even believes we’re all pathetic! So there! Now egg, take a deep breath and understand that this is a BIG world with MANY problems. One of the many problems is securing a country’s borders from certain people trying to illegally cross these borders without following due and proper processes. Also, would you like someone to force their way into your home just because they want to move in? And if you said yes, you can have the granny flat until we can sort things out and they got angry because you wouldn’t let them move into the big house and they burned down your granny flat, that you so kindly let them use…...how would you feel? Be real now! Definition of a refugee - “A refugee is a person who has been pushed away from their home and seek refuge elsewhere”. I don’t see anyone pushing these people, I just see people manipulating a system to suit themselves and give them a lifestyle they could never get in their home country. Oh and saying the F word does not become you….......profanity is the crutch of the inarticulate…......now go and dust off your fairy wings!

    • ray i have seen it all 61yrs says:

      03:56pm | 01/09/11

      KIM ( as far as i am concerned people like you should do some research on what is classified as a refugee, these boat people have traversed muliple countries to arrive in australia on a boat entering australian waters as an illegal immigrant . these people are freeloaders some having many thousands of dollars available to them.
      By the way I can see you are a typical greens supporter I hope you live under a tree do not drive a car, fly on aircraft , also get rid of your computer as it is causing greenhouse gas`s as it needs a coal fired power station to run it , also the clothing you probably wear are also made creating co2,
      So grow a brain

    • BP says:

      03:06pm | 01/09/11

      @Peter from the bush. You keep spouting about the multitude of Howard government stuff-ups as opposed to this mob. Will you please be so kind as elaborate and let the rest of us be privy to your list so we can discuss them?
      Offhand I can think of maybe three or four big ones and whether or not they were actually a stuff up depends on point of view, but that was over 11 years (not 14 as you keep saying), but that pales into insignificance compared to the continuous failures of the current government who have only had 4 years total.

    • Digger says:

      02:58pm | 01/09/11

      To clarify, I am happy with the High Court’s decision. Both sides of politics have appalled me in the way they have played to the unfounded fears of unintelligent Australians like you lot. But the way you lot use the pretend to give a shit about refugees just to score pathetic political points shows how morally dicrepd you are. Have a nice day.

    • Digger says:

      02:44pm | 01/09/11

      Egg: spot on, couldn’t agree more. Most of the bigots on here make me sick to my stomach and do not know the meaning of hard times. Fortunately, they are not representative of the majority – if they were, I would be ashamed to be Australian.
      Steve, Mark, Bilbo et al: you are the worst kind of morons and you truly are an embarrassment and a disgrace to all Australians, particularly the fine men and women that have served this great country and helped to make it what it is today. Regardless of the venomous propaganda you and your kind spew, this IS a great country where the freedoms and rights that are denied to these people are taken for granted. You have no idea what these refugees have been through. Come to Afghanistan with us for a reality check you oxygen thieves. 
      Peter from the Bush: “What has human rights got to do with this? What right has the high court got to get involved with politics?” It is difficult to know where to begin answering your questions but maybe speaking to a high school legal studies student would be a good place to start your quest for knowledge.

    • Bob says:

      02:05pm | 01/09/11

      Peter from the bush: Are you *really* saying it’s bad that the high court has the power to say whether or not the government is doing something illegal, and stop it if it is? Are you *really* saying that the courts should stay out of government business?

      Please tell me you’re not *really* saying it. If you are, the Chinese govt wants you and many more like you. Your views have no place being implemented in a democracy and someone with your views is clueless enough that he probably shouldn’t be commenting on anything to do with government. (It’s great that you have the right to, but hopefully any somewhat intelligent person will recognise that someone as clueless as yourself should be ignored)

      Seriously, you want the courts to just give the thumbs up to whatever the government does? I’m trying to wrap my head around this fascist mentality. This sort of thing is exactly WHY we have the separation of powers in the first place.

    • Peter from the bush says:

      01:15pm | 01/09/11

      KIM what has human rights got to do with this.
      I agree that the Opposition will rant and rave,BUT hey what right has the high court got to get involved with politics.They should keep to doing what they dop best and keep right out of politics.
      The only human rights that have been saved is the ones from Indonesia to here and they havent been saved at all.All they are doing is giving their hard earned dollars to people smigglers,and its them who are stuffing up human rights.

    • acotrel says:

      11:50am | 01/09/11

      @Steven
      Have you read the parable about the loaves and the fishes ?

    • egg says:

      11:16am | 01/09/11

      holy god, i really feel sick being an australian and listening to all the responses to what kim said… i’d rather live in a country full of nothing but refugees than with horrible people who don’t understand why a refugee would get on a boat here in the first place.

      insinuating you want the boats stopped to save the lives of these refugees is a fucking joke, i’m sorry. if that was your main consideration you’d be trying to help them, not taking their options aware from them. you’re selfish and can’t be bothered dealing with it, so it must be fault with the people coming here. absolutely pathetic.

    • Steven says:

      10:44am | 01/09/11

      yep, human right at what cost? We can allow the whole world to come in. There are heaps of refugees in Somalia, should we look after them too? We are running a deficit by borrowing already, the government is spending more than 1 billion a year in this issue. You want to have hospitals closed? pension cut? no infrastructure improvement? We have got to have a balance of human rights and also looking ourselves.

    • acotrel says:

      10:02am | 01/09/11

      @Steve
      ‘If boats don’t come they can’t sink.
      Without putting too fine a point on it those that supported Rudd changing the Pacific solution/TPV have blood on their hands. ‘

      You should be more careful in your comments - your cynicism is showing.  Your crocodile tears about the fate of asylum seekers is disgusting!

    • pat says:

      09:07pm | 31/08/11

      The greens are utter morons and their policy is to open the flood gates and let everyone in, then we will have millions flooding in.  A country must be able to protect its borders and the Australian people have no issues with refugees but we have the right to choose who comes here and who doesn’t and how they come here… and for anyone to support the greens policy is to be as idiotic as the greens party them selves

    • Chris says:

      09:03pm | 31/08/11

      @MaRK

      Like you and Bolt I’m still celebrating the 353 deaths aboard the Siev X too. Howard was never bothered by a little blood on his hands. Hopefully after today’s decision we’ll have even more to celebrate.

    • MarK says:

      08:17pm | 31/08/11

      ”  those that supported Rudd changing the Pacific solution/TPV have blood on their hands.”

      This a thousand times.

      Bolt was right. All the apologists like that Brisbane goose Birmingham are shown yet again to be fools of the highest order. Briwn as well.

      What a pack of mental pygmies.

    • Bilbo says:

      08:12pm | 31/08/11

      You can have all the rights you are willing to pay for and those who arrive by boat in most cases will never pay tax in Australia. Looks like a good case for withdrawing from the refugee treaty as an Australian I would like a say in who enters my country and lives off my taxes. If there was certainty that all irregular boat arrivals would be deported they would stop arriving. This would allow more funds to be available to allocate to the regular orderly refugee migration program.

    • jb says:

      07:36pm | 31/08/11

      Sorry Kim but the howard govt had it right, there was barely a boat that arrived on our shores which meant no more drownings. Rudd and the dudd opened up the gates and we had the horrible disaster at christmas island and no doubt others we never heard about.
      If the current Govt had not changed the rules many lives would have been preserved.
      It’s Rudd Gillard and Brown who were too pig headed to keep a Howard policy that was working that is now putting lives at risk.
      What ever you want to say about Howards way even though he was at the helm for tampa, the bottom line is the drownings would have stopped…
      Labor is a freaking joke, they always speak before they think!

    • Steve says:

      07:29pm | 31/08/11

      I can’t follow your logic Kim

      If boats don’t come they can’t sink.

      Without putting too fine a point on it those that supported Rudd changing the Pacific solution/TPV have blood on their hands.

    • Against the Man says:

      06:23pm | 31/08/11

      HaHaHaHaHaHaHa

      Another Gillard failure, I’m so lovin’ it! The WORST Australian government ever just got worse!

      Keep it up Missy! smile

    • Lou Ricky says:

      06:18pm | 01/09/11

      Labor can’t control our borders - just look at the fine mess we are in and its all of Rudd and Gillards creation as when they took office there were no people even in the Christmas Island detention centres and hardly any others around the country. In fact they were complaining that Howard built the Christmas Island Detention centre - calling it a waste of money - bet they wish they had 2 now! If they argue that they are in control - call Malaysia and tell them the deal is off - why on earth would we still have to take 4000 unknowns if it was a 1 for 5 swapsies, and we are not now sending any. Who is calling the shots here? Labor Losers are not, it would seem - they just stumble from one stuff up to the next, and use tax payers money to attempt to remendy each problem they create.

    • Peter from the bush says:

      01:11pm | 01/09/11

      Take a look back at the Howard Government failures in 14 years and then tell us that the Labor Government is worse.
      I can count on twenty fingers the stuffups from the Howard Governm,ent,BUT hey about 5 or 6 from the current government,.
      And hey why should the high court get involved.They should be prosecuting big business,instead of a bunch of illegial immigrants.
      If these people didnt pay the smugglers thousands of dollars how much better of we would be,so hey why not question Indonesia about these illegials and NOT the Federal Government

    • Tom says:

      12:15pm | 01/09/11

      Nossy, “Enjoyment Tax”, you are getting better every week.  ..... hold on, Labor might introduce it and your blogs will be a significant source of revenue for them.

    • AJ says:

      12:02pm | 01/09/11

      Acotrel, ok, so we have your opinion on Howard’s approach. What do you have to say about Gillard’s Malaysian solution?

    • acotrel says:

      11:37am | 01/09/11

      @MarkS
      ‘. Simply not true, no Australian governement has that power & the High Court will never let them. ‘

      True !  And that’s why the judgement was handed down in 2010 after Julian Burnside had pursued the matter through the legal system for several years !  The crime happened in 2002 !  The prosecution was not automatic ! - The LNP is as guilty as sin !

    • John says:

      10:14am | 01/09/11

      Acotrel, you must be seriously mentally retarded if you think we should let anyone come into this country without knowing their name, where they are from and what their background is.
      Howard didn’t break any laws you idiot.

    • MarkS says:

      09:40am | 01/09/11

      @acotrel
      Wut?
      Howard did not have the power to deny people access to the courts through a writ of habeas corpus. I assume that you worded it badly, as written you appear to be saying that Howard used a writ of habeas corpus to deny people access to the courts.

      I persume you meant that Howard denied people to right of access to the courts to use a writ of habeas corpus to protest their imprisonment. Simply not true, no Australian governement has that power & the High Court will never let them.

      But a writ of habeas corpus can only work if & only if the government has cusody of the person & said person is in the jurisdiction of the court. That is why the off shore processing worked, habeas corpus was not available. It was not denied, it simply did not apply. The High Court confirmed this with the Tampa & Nauru.

    • acotrel says:

      08:03am | 01/09/11

      ‘The requirements of the Migration Act for the protection of asylum seekers dispatched elsewhere for processing are clear – the Minister must look to the actual legal protections that are in place.’

      Is that what Howard did when he denied the asylum seekers on Nauru access to the courts through a writ of habeas corpus, to be shown just cause for their imprisonment ?  It is a basic human right in any liberal democracy under the rule of law.  The 2010 decision of the HIgh Court of Australia, that asylum seekers would have access to the courts, clearly demonstrated that John Winston Howard had acted cynically, and ILLEGALLY !

    • Sony b Goode says:

      10:59pm | 31/08/11

      “enjoyment tax”. Not so loud! Gillard might hear you!

    • Right Wingnut says:

      10:13pm | 31/08/11

      On the contrary. This is the BEST Australian government ever. Losing the last 2 elections has totally unhinged the rabid right wing, and never before have they been such foaming at the mouth psycho ranters. I’m so lovin’ it!

      HaHaHaHaHaHaHa

      The last 4 years have been great, and the next 2 years are going to be even funnier! Keep it up!

    • Steve says:

      07:20pm | 31/08/11

      I have been holding out for Whitlam to be the worst Govt but I now have to concede that this Govt has undeniably taken the mantle.

      The only thing is that it took 2 (rudd and Gillars) to beat poor old Gough.

      At least Whitlam can live the rest of his life with the comfort that he has lost the polished turd of worst Govt.

    • nossy says:

      07:10pm | 31/08/11

      @ATM - magic stuff ATM - love your work - honestly fella there should be an “Enjoyment Tax” applied to chaps like you - you are having so much fun!  hahahahahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

    • Debra says:

      06:57pm | 31/08/11

      ATM - This is just groovy. Like you am so loving it! What next? Did you see Chris Bowen’s face when he came on TV to explain himself? As usual in defiance, denial and deluded.

 

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