Sometimes, you wonder who the real animals are, and what kind of condition they keep themselves in.

Geez I could go a roast leg of activist right about now

On the weekend, I dropped my daughter at a friend’s birthday party at Lennon Brothers Circus. Lennon Brothers is one of the few remaining Australian circuses with animals, and a group of protestors had set up shop out the front.

Never in my life have I encountered such an unruly, rude rabble of misfits, thugs and foaming-at-the-mouth ideologues. Not content to peacefully pursue their aims, they actively victimised the poor helpless children attending the circus with some of the most vile slurs imaginable.

In one instance, one of the protestors yelled through the megaphone “keeping lions in cages is like your mummy and daddy keeping you in jail”. Can you imagine how my eight year old daughter felt? Or any of the other kids walking in? How on earth does victimising children legitimise any grown-up cause – worthy or unworthy?

After dropping my daughter, I calmly approached some of the protestors to express my indignation. Part of that conversation involved me identifying myself as a journalist and pointing out that I have previously written pieces supporting animal welfare.

“Liar!” a woman wearing a lion mask screamed.

A man with a spotted bow tie was even worse. Pointing at my four year old son under my arm, then pointing at the lion’s enclosure, he screamed “mammal, mammal!” as though to indicate that both my son and the lions deserved the same humane treatment.

I don’t necessarily disagree with his sentiment. But his tone was another thing entirely. It was the wild, manic tone of someone with severe anger management issues. And it was right in the face of my frightened son.

Now, it just so happens that I’m not such a big fan of circuses with animals, for two simple reasons.

Firstly, I believe the most exciting circus acts are always the ones involving people. Indeed, my daughter came home raving about the contortionist but had little to say about the lions.

Secondly, I don’t believe that performing animals send a good message to kids. It suggests that animals are there for our amusement, which I most firmly believe they are not.

That, by the way, is an entirely different issue from the issue of animal cruelty, which is the main issue the protestors were banging on about in their vicious, mean-spirited way.

So are circuses with animals cruel? Not according to fifth generation circus man and lion tamer Warren Lennon.

“The lions have exercise yards available to them from 7 am to 9 or 10 o’clock at night,” he told The Punch yesterday.

“The tricks they do are similar to the movements they make in the wild. They jump, they walk along a plank. We don’t make them jump through fire or anything like that, we don’t use whips and although we use sticks, they are used for direction, not to hit the animals.

The Punch contacted Animal Liberation, who organised the protest. They said their immediate goal is to lobby local councils to outlaw animal circuses, while their long term goal is to shift all circus animals to free range zoos. This is what happened with the elephant Arna from Stardust Circus, who trampled and killed a handler.

Animal Liberation believe the animal “snapped”, although there was some suggestion the animal was only trying to nudge its handler awake after he suffered a heart attack, and inadvertently crushed him.

Whatever the truth in the case of Arna the elephant, Warren Lennon believes free range zoos would be a death warrant for circus-raised lions.

“These lions they would die in a free range zoo. They were born in the circus and they are used to the companionship of the trainers. I’d like to see these animal libbers save some species from dying over in Africa. Lions are on the endangered species list, you know.”

Lennon believes that Australia leads the world on regulations for animals in circuses and zoos. But Animal Liberation Communications Manager Lynda Stoner doesn’t see it that way.

“Animals were never intended to be objects of entertainment,” she says. “At Taronga Zoo in Sydney, there are signs explaining the dysfunctional behaviour of former circus elephants, who spend much of the day swaying back and forth.”

Stoner and her colleague Emma Hurst, who helped organise the protest, were both shocked when I told them of the behaviour of many of the protestors.

That’s shocked as in disgusted, not shocked as in surprised, because this was not the first report of shonky misbehaviour that had filtered back to head office.

Hurst suggested that the news of the protest went out via Facebook, and that some of the protestors might have been blow-ins who were not members of Animal Liberation.

“I stand by our right to be there and hand out flyers, but Animal Liberation is a completely non-violent organisation, and we do not support any sort of abuse towards people or anything like that,” she said.

That’s good to hear. Most animal rights groups these days are reasonably level-headed. Well, maybe not PETA, but most. But those lunatic protestors out the front of Lennon Brothers circus were anything but level-headed, that’s for sure.

And with their inexcusable behaviour, they completely invalidated their cause.

That’s a shame. Because if there’s one thing we’ve all been reminded of lately by events like the feral anti-tax-which-shall-not-be-named rally with its vulgar slogans, it’s that vitriol and hate is no way to argue a case for anything.

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    • Shaere says:

      01:28pm | 04/08/11

      Anthony Sharwood has displayed a complete lack of truth in journalism. He has invented complete lies that bear no relation to what occured on the day. Why has he failed to admit that he assaulted one of the protestors? If he had done that to me I would have pressed charges. There were at least twenty witnesses to the assault and he was clearly warned to cease and desist as there were witnesses to his abusive behaviour. This was a very angry man in no way in control of his emotions or behaviour - in stark contrast to the protestors who were calm and professional and non-violent. Not one of them screamed at anyone in over two hours of the protest.
      Two of the protestors were also deliberately driven into by one of the circus workers who parked illegally in a position at right angles to the marked parking bays deliberately to block view of a cage holding a protestor in a lion costume. He should also have been charged. Again - the good nature of the protestors resulted in that not happening. If he had done it to me he’d be in a jail cell. Truth in journalism is clearly not Anthony Sharwood’s strong suit. Perhaps not a surprise given the scurrilous reputation of media right now.

    • Faye says:

      12:41pm | 04/08/11

      Anthony I was at the protest. I did arrive towards the end so I didn’t see what happened as you and your daughter walked into the circus, however I did see and hear what happened as every other family walked into the circus and I didn’t see or hear anyone ‘victimise’ any children. In communicating that animals are not with their families and that they are kept in cages while travelling in trucks, on highways and that this is not a natural way for wild animals to live, this may be (should be) upsetting for children and adults.

      The fact that your daughter was upset by this means that she comprehended to some extent that this circus may not be the happy place for animals that she expected. Of course that would be upsetting for her. This is the same kind of disappointment that a child might have when he or she is told that Santa clause doesn’t really exist. It is disappointing, but in the long run it is a positive thing, not a negative. Wouldn’t you rather your daughter grow up with the ability to question, to look at both sides of a situation. I really wish there had been activists outside the circus when my parents took me when I was about 7 years old. I would have been extremely upset. It probably would have spoiled my day and I might have cried, but I would value that experience for the rest of my life.  Hopefully the experience planted a seed in your daughter’s mind so that later in life she may not take everything at face value, that she might not believe everything that is placed in front of her without question.
      You say ‘those lunatic protestors out the front of Lennon Brothers circus were anything but level-headed, that’s for sure.’ and ‘ vitriol and hate is no way to argue a case for anything.’ Anthony, my experience was very different. I experienced you as being in a very emotional state, and I have to say, I felt vitriol from you towards the group. You wanted to express this to us and the group listened respectfully to what you had to say, despite your angry emotion. If you not run away immediately after catharting, I think you would have received a respectful and intelligent response. You wanted to have your say but were not willing to accept any kind of reply from anyone.

      The animal lib people I know are an intelligent bunch and very happy to have a rational conversation with someone in a rational state of mind but we were not given a chance by you.  Most of the activists are experienced at listening and responding in a respectful way and this is the approach that animal lib take.

      I hope that you were able to explain to your daughter, what it was all about so that she has gained something valuable from the experience. As an educator (x school teacher) myself, this to me is real education.

      If you come up against activists again and you want to express something to them/ us I hope you will actually engage in a two way communication. You might be surprised.

    • Linda says:

      08:56am | 03/08/11

      Mr Sharwood actually assaulted one of the protestors on the day, for which there were numerous witnesses. He was not screamed at by anyone. He was listened to politely and then refused to listen to the protestors. He was rude, aggressive and hostile. Clearly, he had an agenda. Anyone who was there knows the truth of what actually happened.

    • Sharron Woodward says:

      07:34pm | 31/07/11

      Mr Sharwood, how disappointing that you didn’t present the truth quite as it happened. You failed to point out your poor behaviour on the day either. You raised your voice at the protesters & made your point quite clear but failed to give us the opportunity to answer. You violently grabbed at a loud speaker that one of the female protesters had. You had your child on your hip the entire time & swore & yelled & contributed to the mayhem on the day. It’s a shame that you get the forum to present your story but ultimately it is just your side of the story. Afterall there is three sides to every story - yours, mine & the cold hard truth

    • Emmisfor says:

      08:57pm | 03/08/11

      Sharron Woodward & Linda… Sadly you are positioning this so conveniently and so juxtapositioned to the initial account, that it lacks credibility in view of the child on hip and loud shouting/swearing aspecdts. Some proof to back up those claims would be good. Witnesses would need to be validated as objective and not related to the animal rights group in question. The violent grab at the loudspeaker reference does stretch credibility again. Once more some proof, such as the ever-present and otherwise instantly operated mobile phone vid clips or pix would be great. I cannot imagine that the rights folks would not have them whirling in a second if there was a man with a child on his hip violently grabbing at loudspeakers and loudly swearing, yelling etc. Not a chance Sharron/Linda. So please present the credible proof, or read the spoof that your story is aloof from the truth….

    • Diana says:

      03:05pm | 31/07/11

      I am an animal rights activist and I absolutely believe these circuses need to be shut down, or at the very least banned from using animals. Having said that, I completely agree that protesters like these damage the cause rather than help. As someone who does support the ideas behind Animal Liberation, I have to agree with Emma Hurst- the principle is non-violence. Unfortunately, anybody can align themselves with a cause, act disruptively and damage it. And I don’t support PETA for that very reason- their stunts get attention, yes, but usually the wrong kind. Having said that, though, the mainstream public isn’t blameless here, either, in their lazy and self-serving assumption that the cause of animal rights is invalid because some activists act like d***heads. We are not all loonies, we don’t all sit there in judgment of you because you’re eating steak (while I support vegan principles, I have NEVER commented on anyone else’s food) and I never fail to be disappointed and amazed that it’s seen as hippie or extreme to think cruelty to animals is wrong. If someone saw a domestic pet being treated the way your average factory farmed animal is, there’d be an outcry and demands that RSPCA do something about it. I guess I differ from the mainstream in that I can’t see an ethical distinction between abusing a dog and abusing a pig.

    • Former animal supporter says:

      07:03am | 29/07/11

      I saw these “poor excuses for human beings” and laughed in their faces as they spewed vile words at me and my 5 yo. I also laughed as i severed all ties with animal welfare groups which i have donated on a weekly basis for the last 13 years with proceeds from my late mothers extensive estates. I have withdrawn funding also from 4 local vetenarians which in turn will close. I will also be supplying the 15 minutes of video footage i shot to all the animal welfare groups i will be withdrawing funding from to show them what incredible damage you are doing to these groups. Hatred and vile attitudes will get u know where

    • Phillip says:

      01:47am | 29/07/11

      I wonder what kind of companionship would lead three lions to have attacked and mauled Geoffrey Lennon a few years ago. Obviously a special connection far greater than they could hope for in an open plains zoo where they have proper food, stability, roaming room and mental stimulation. God bless the circus for saving them from such a dreadful fate.

    • Lisa H. says:

      12:08pm | 28/07/11

      I LOVE animals in circuses, for the following reasons:
      * there is a strong cultural and historical link to circuses having animals

      *animal acts, such as dolphin performances at Seaworld, force people to recognise the intrinsic worth and intelligence of animals. Animal acts have the effect of providing a platform FOR animal rights.

      * children love animals, and interacting with animals. The theatre of circus performance with animals is perfect child theatre.

      * animals in captivity life significantly longer lives.

      * humans and animals always co-exist… it is educational and interesting for humans to see humans interacting with animals on a positive or more complicated level than merely shooting and eating them.

      *Animal circus acts may consist of acts performed by species we have determined as ‘domesticated’, such as horses.

      Having animal acts in circuses adds significantly to my family’s experience of circus. (especially if they are miniature horses with pink feather plumes, as in the last circus our family saw).

      Human act only circuses feel a little…sterile in comparison.

    • Sharron says:

      09:05pm | 31/07/11

      **endure not ensure

    • Sharron says:

      07:53pm | 31/07/11

      These circus animals are kept in cages or on chains away from their natural environments & unable to live their instinctive lives. They ensure heat & cold whilst in these cages. They are abused during training. Nothing they do is natural. They are unable to live with their own kind & breed & love. Why is your desire for the circus & your examples above more important than the lives of the animals? Why are you so much more important?

    • Diana says:

      03:14pm | 31/07/11

      Oh, well. As long as it is an enriching experience for *your family*, animal exploitation is totally ok. I’ve seen the error of my ways.

    • RyaN says:

      10:20am | 28/07/11

      Lefties, plain and simple, they are vile, disgusting, low and pathetic scum.

    • DeltaE says:

      08:31am | 28/07/11

      PETA will harass women in fur coats but not a motor cycle gang in leathers.

    • From the 'net says:

      09:52am | 28/07/11

      Local and state police scoured the hills outside rural Johnstown, Pennsylvania, after reports of three animal rights activists going missing after attempting to protest the wearing of leather at a large motorcycle gang rally this weekend. Two others, previously reported missing, were discovered by fast food workers “duct taped inside several fast food restaurant dumpsters,” according to police officials.
      “Something just went wrong,” said a still visibly shaken organizer of the protest. “Something just went horribly, horribly, wrong.”

      The organizer said a group of concerned animal rights activist groups, “growing tired of throwing fake blood and shouting profanities at older women wearing leather or fur coats,” decided to protest the annual motorcycle club event “in a hope to show them our outrage at their wanton use of leather in their clothing and motor bike seats.” “In fact,” said the organizer, “motorcycle gangs are one of the biggest abusers of wearing leather, and we decided it was high time that we let them know that we disagree with them using it…ergo, they should stop.”

      According to witnesses, protesters arrived at the event in a vintage 1960’s era Volkswagen van and began to pelt the gang members with balloons filled with red colored water, simulating blood, and shouting “you’re murderers” to passers by. This, evidently, is when the brouhaha began.

      “They peed on me!!!” charged one activist. “They grabbed me, said I looked like I was French, started calling me ‘La Trene’, and duct taped me to a tree so they could pee on me all day!”

      “I…I was trying to show my outrage at a man with a heavy leather jacket, and he…he didn’t even care. I called him a murderer, and all he said was, ‘You can’t prove that.’ Next thing I know he forced me to ride on the back of his motorcycle all day, and would not let me off, because his girl friend was out of town and I was almost a woman.”

      Still others claimed they were forced to eat hamburgers and hot dogs under duress. Those who resisted were allegedly held down while several bikers “farted on their heads.”

      Police officials declined comments on any leads or arrests due to the ongoing nature of the investigation, however, organizers for the motorcycle club rally expressed “surprise” at the allegations.

      “That’s preposterous,” said one high-ranking member of the biker organizing committee. “We were having a party, and these people showed up and were very rude to us. They threw things at us, called us names, and tried to ruin the entire event. So, what did we do? We invited them to the party! What could be more friendly than that? You know, just because we are all members of motorcycle clubs does not mean we do not care about inclusiveness. Personally, I think it shows a lack of character for them to be saying such nasty things about us after we bent over backwards to make them feel welcome.”

      When confronted with the allegations of force-feeding the activists meat, using them as ad hoc latrines, leaving them incapacitated in fast food restaurant dumpsters, and ‘farting on their heads,’ the organizer declined to comment in detail. “That’s just our secret handshake,” assured the organizer.

    • Vic says:

      07:46am | 28/07/11

      This is their opinion. My opinion may differ or not. But I do resent them forcing their opinion on people and being unwilling to compromise; their opinion is the only true one.  We still have some freedoms left and one of them is freedom of thought. Too many people think their opinions should be law and cannot see anything wrong in this. When minorities (Greens) get to run the country (Taliban etc) watch your common rights and freedom of speech go flying out the window. They do not like people to have differing opinions, it undermines their shaky platform.

    • Gyan says:

      06:27pm | 27/07/11

      Like the Norway “incident”, the middle-eastern fraternity and countless others, the “fundamentalist” element springs to the fore!  Anything the “authorities” can do to curb the excesses of these groups must be a positive move! Piracy on the high seas (Greenpeace), Israeli orthodox Judaism, Islamic calls for shariah law, the Taliban in Afghanistan, Christian edicts (remember the Crusades that killed more Jews & Christians than Muslims)  we need to be alert of the “hiden” motives of all of these!!

    • lesley laurel says:

      04:31pm | 27/07/11

      humans are always the extremely dangerous animals.
      all animals are scared of humans.

    • Sam says:

      02:29pm | 27/07/11

      What is so bad about well cared for (and most likely loved) animals performing in a circus?

    • Get Real says:

      02:01pm | 27/07/11

      ‘The idea that it is funny to see wild animals coerced into acting like clumsy humans, or thrilling to see powerful beasts reduced to cringing cowards by a whipcracking trainer is primitive and medieval. It stems from the old idea that we are superior to other species and have the right to hold dominion over them.’ - Desmond Morris

    • Kika says:

      01:30pm | 27/07/11

      Yeah, but I am a leftie and even I think that those people that much into animals are nutters. I once did some charity work with the RSPCA. Let’s just say that those sort of people who worked for them voluntarily everyday seem to prefer, and are better at, communicating with animals than they are people. They’re a bit touched.

      I fully support their protest, but I agree that they overstepped the line in harassing children. They children are not old enough to understand the concepts without being emotionally hurt or distressed by it. I remember when my kitten had kittens (yes very young and they were very premature) and the vet said they wouldn’t live, and we went home without them. THAT was traumatic enough without having to understand animal liberation rights.

    • Dori says:

      01:13pm | 27/07/11

      Anthony, you forgot to mention the physical way with which YOU attacked one woman at the demonstration, you also failed to mention a Lennon Bros Circus staff member attempted to run over several people at the demonstration with his car close to the beginning of the demonstration. Yes, the lions have an ‘exercise yard’  but did you actually see that set up? It is the size of a lounge room for all the lions to circle inside of.
      Let’s paint a COMPLETE picture, not just one side.

    • Sharron says:

      07:59pm | 31/07/11

      Why has everyone jumped on Mr Sharwoods version of the story & when someone who was also present gives their side of the story it is deemed untrue.  Protesters were standing in the car park where they were legally permitted to do so & Mr Lennon drove into them. He could have stopped six feet before but chose to drive into them. Why is this being disregarded but nothing that Mr Sharwood is saying is?

    • Dori says:

      02:27pm | 28/07/11

      @Scotty, no I wasn’t a feral protester but I was there and saw first hand what happened from start to finish. No, the staff member was not just trying to get to his place of work and no the protesters were not blocking access at all. No, the small excercise yard is for three lions, not two.
      I hope that is complete and clear enough for you.

    • Sharon says:

      07:55pm | 27/07/11

      @Scotty: but you admit you weren’t there ... complete picture, what the?

    • scotty says:

      06:21pm | 27/07/11

      I assume YOU were one of the feral protesters then?

      The circus staff member was probably just trying to get to their own workplace, and was probably being deliberately blocked by feral protesters (I wasn’t there, but I’ve had that happen before)

      And “all” the lions is actually 2 lions, not an entire pride.

      Complete enough for you????????????

    • Mike says:

      01:02pm | 27/07/11

      What you should have said Ant was

      ’ Yes that lion and I are both mammals and if not for the cage the lion would kill you as much as look at you. What makes you think I won’t.’

      Gets the point across I think.

    • fairsfair says:

      12:34pm | 27/07/11

      Anth, great article. Shame some of the people commenting have turned - what was an interesting take on the fact that in spite of anyone’s best intentions/political affiliations/morals etc, they don’t always execute their protests in an effective manner - into an attack on you as a parent.

      Well my mum once left me at a servo and erroneously hit me for breaking Ken - when it was in fact my sister who snapped off his leg. You haven’t done those things, so you are doing well champ.

      I hope your little girl had a great day at the circus (I remember it being hugely exciting as a child) and given your son is only four he would have completely forgotton about it by the time you reached the car and discussed how you would fill your afternoon now that you had offloaded his sister.

    • Justin says:

      01:17pm | 27/07/11

      My mother only made the mistake of leaving me on the side of the road to scare me once. I was always a fiercely independant sort of kid, always running away and exploring things on my own. They had to get me one of those leash things you see kids that like to do the runner wearing.

      So back to the story, I was probably 5, acting up in the back of the car. She told me I could get out and walk home if I didn’t behave, I kept acting out. I don’t know what the time was, but it was dark, she pulled over the car, tossed me out and told me to walk home. Driving around the block, expecting to come back finding me scared and crying, didn’t she panic when I was gone. Stuff her, I was walking home, just like she wanted. No idea where I was, or how to get home, had picked a direction and was headed that way. She found me a few minutes later and never pulled that one again.

    • Aussie Born and Bred says:

      11:42am | 27/07/11

      Anthony, I have a problem with the fact that, after dropping off your daughter at the circus, you openly chose to expose your 4yo son to the protestors’ diatribe yet again.

      Regardless of your calm demeanour, you were already aware of theirs and should have gone out of your way to protect your son.

      You are a father first, journalist second.

    • Sharon says:

      11:35am | 27/07/11

      The unacceptable behaviour you experienced on one occasion by a few protestors should not be used as an excuse to validate cruelty to animals.

      I’ve been to numerous very peaceful anti-cruelty, anti-war, and environmental protests, and we have also taken our children to a few. I have never witnessed the kind of behaviour you describe from protestors, however, I have witnessed and been on the receiving end of nasty verbal abuse from people who clearly don’t agree with our protest.

      “The animals of the world exist for their own reasons.  They were not made for humans any more than black people were made for white, or women created for men.”  ~Alice Walker

    • Sharon says:

      02:52pm | 27/07/11

      @TheRealDave:  I suggest you don’t make such blatantly stupid observations about people you know nothing about. I currently do paid work 4 days per week in a management job .... started work at 16, went to uni at 25 and studied part-time for 6 years to gain my degree whilst working full-time, had my own business for 3 years then only had 3 years off paid work while my children were infants. 

      All the protests I have been to are on weekends, as this is when most are actually organised to gain maximum attendance. Clearly you don’t know that because you are too insular and self-absorbed to care.

      In my busy life I’ve also managed to do some volunteer charity work from time-to-time, oh and even played some sport and did lots of socialising.

      Life is most fullest when we really participate and help to make society a better place. Maybe you should try it?

    • TheRealDave says:

      02:15pm | 27/07/11

      I wish I could go to ‘numerous’ protests, but unfortunately I work….good luck with your career though, its great you have a goal…well…‘numerous’ goals apparently…..

    • Kika says:

      01:58pm | 27/07/11

      Excellent post. I agree with you. But the protestors directing it at the children? I don’t know maybe we are only hearing one side of the story and I’d love to know the full facts about it.

      However as a parent I’d be concerned about protestors traumatising my kids. Like I said in my post, I was traumatised when I was 5 when my kitten’s kittens (she was only a baby herself when she had them) was born prematurely and the vet said they wouldn’t make it. When we went home without them I cried and cried. This was the first thing I knew about death ever.

      The kids shouldn’t have to know the problems with the world at such a young age. Let the politics of it be an adult concern, not the childrens.

      Plus if the parents are teaching their kids right they should already know to respect animals.

    • Trevor says:

      11:31am | 27/07/11

      Here is a thought, if everyone were vegetarians (as PETA would like), would farm animals such as cows, pigs and sheep now be extinct like most other animals that people don’t eat? Maybe us carnivores are the real conservationists!

    • Richard says:

      01:15pm | 29/07/11

      Millions of years of evolution gave me canine incisors.  I ‘aint wasting ‘em on mung beans.

    • Phillip says:

      01:37am | 29/07/11

      Not that this article is even remotely about factory farming.. you are aware of course that millions of cows, pigs and sheep are bred specifically for a life spent in the factory farm where they occupy spaces so small they can’t turn around til their limbs buckle under the weight of their hormonally-enhanced bodies and they are taken to slaughter? These aren’t just animals that have been rounded up and herded into an abattoir from the wild. Do you really think these herd animals are at risk of extinction and need human intervention to breed? If the factory farm is your model then we don’t even know the first thing about the natural behaviours of these animals since we deny every single one of them, I’d hate to see how we handle a conservation program in that guise.

    • Grant says:

      11:15am | 27/07/11

      Well then maybe instead of screaming “somebody think of the children!!”, maybe you should be taking in what these people are saying. Why should your entertainment come at the cost of the freedom of a wild African animal locked up in a cage? I for one applaud these activists for doing a fantastic job and putting the reality in the children’s minds that they should not be faulted by their parent’s irresponsible ways of just accepting that these wild animals have been put on this planet for the soul purpose of entertaining them inside a big tent. Why has humanity become so selfish to think that they are the only animal on this planet that deserves complete freedom? Get a life, you loser.

    • Elphaba says:

      12:20pm | 27/07/11

      And when they roam free, and are poached, tell me, Grant, is it worth it?  Take tigers in Asia, for example - if they let them roam free and their poached and their sex organs are turned into medicinal products - was it all worth it?  For them to roam free?

      If you’ve ever seen a vat of tiger penis whisky, I reckon you’d think differently.

      The reality is, your pie in the sky fantasy land where we only shoot animals with cameras is just that - a fantasy.  Sometimes, the lesser of two evils is a necessity.  If the animals are being well treated, then zoos and circuses provide an invaluable service.  They allow us to get up close and personal with the animals we’re supposed to care about.

      We could just set them all free and see what happens.  Surely humans have learnt their lesson…?

      The cynic in me would be no - they haven’t.

    • jay-ded says:

      11:57am | 27/07/11

      Ahem.  I gather you don’t have pets Grant.

    • George from Sydney says:

      10:43am | 27/07/11

      Has anybody noticed that Gillard has brought about lots of hate and anger in this country. I’m angry about the carbon tax, trading refugees, poor funding of public schools and many other issues.

      If we had an election I wouldn’t be so angry.

    • TheRealDave says:

      02:06pm | 27/07/11

      Of course there’s much anger…the Press that championed Tony rAbbott is still pissed off they lost. You’d think they’d be over it by now….obviously not…..

    • stephen says:

      10:37am | 27/07/11

      Twelve years ago I went to the Barnum and Bailey (?) circus at Anzac pde, near Telstra stadium.  No cruelty there, except the car-park attendant bellowing out at our group that ...‘you’ve gotta park over the puddles, no excuses’, and it wasn’t till I saw happy elephants and lions that I knew I was at the circus.
      Fun day for all.
      If people wasnt freedom for the animals, well, wasn’t the war in Iraq for them, too ?

    • ronny jonny says:

      10:19am | 27/07/11

      Why don’t you bleeding hearts go and protest at the zoo? From what I have seen the animals in a circus are quite content and get regular stimulation from their performances whereas zoo animals seem completely bored if not actually driven insane by captivity. Maybe zoos are second on the hitlist?

    • ronny jonny says:

      10:19am | 27/07/11

      Why don’t you bleeding hearts go and protest at the zoo? From what I have seen the animals in a circus are quite content and get regular stimulation from their performances whereas zoo animals seem completely bored if not actually driven insane by captivity. Maybe zoos are second on the hitlist?

    • neffie says:

      10:15am | 27/07/11

      What sort of fool confronts an angry crowd carrying a 4 year old child?

    • Sharron says:

      09:09pm | 31/07/11

      Neffie it really wasn’t an angry crowd. Some were saying things that perhaps, upon reflection, were not appropriate due to the kids. Mr Sharwoods version is his & makes for interesting press

    • Cartman says:

      12:36pm | 27/07/11

      Indeed…..next they will be bringing children to the front of the picket line protest at a maritime dispute and using them as a political and ideological football….


      Oh wait…

    • Aussie Born and Bred says:

      11:44am | 27/07/11

      My sentiments, exactly

    • BJ says:

      10:07am | 27/07/11

      Performing animals in circuses are wrong full stop and they should be shut down. The rest of your article with reference to ‘lefties’ ‘ferals’ and the ‘carbon tax’ is irrelevant nonsense.

    • Shane* says:

      10:04am | 27/07/11

      Animal Liberation are A-Grade nutjobs. They protest on behalf of mice used in diabetes, cancer and AIDS research.

      What Animal Liberation need to realise is that 99% of people support their cause for cruelty-free farming, cage-less zoos, humane slaughter, humane research pracitices and an end to animal testing for cosmetic products.

      But they lose 90% of people when they start banging on about veganism, allowing cows to roam free, no zoos wahtsoever, and a total ban on the use of mice and flies in vital medical research.

      I would suggest they stick with the more reasonable and more popular stances, but they’re so militant that they probably wouldn’t listen.

      Universities could help the situation by making ‘Reality 101’ mandatory for BA undergrads.

    • Sharron says:

      07:39pm | 31/07/11

      Shane you make the comment that ‘99% of people support their cause for cruelty free farming, cage less zoos, humane slaughter, humane research practices & an end to animal testing for cosmetic products’. WHere do you get your figures from? If this was an accurate reflection of the community then why is there still animal use? There is no such thing as ‘humane slaughter’. You cannot kill someone humanely. By virtue of their lives being taken without their consent it is not ‘humane’. We care about the animals that are being used, abused, tortured & slaughtered & we won’t apologise for that

    • Stephy says:

      10:00am | 27/07/11

      There was a competition through Baker’s Delight recently. It was a “make your own pizza, whoever gets the most votes wins” type thing. The number one running contestant to win was Pet’s Haven animal shelter. In the last 4 hours, an IT professional jumped on and got 1400 votes, overtaking pet’s haven.

      There was pandemonium. The animal shelter’s supporters got onto the Baker’s Delight wall and posted some really horrible things about the competitor. Instead of submitting a formal complaint (because, let’s face it, only a bot written by a prgrammer could clock up 1400 votes in 4 hours when the other competitors took two weeks to get 800 votes) the supporters of this shelter posted slander and abuse towards the fellow who’d apparently won. I was pretty shocked - you’d think animal lovers would be nice people. At least, nice to other people. Not this lot. The abuse only stopped after the competitor was disqualified and they officially won. The girl who won third had a go at the animal lovers, saying how even though she won third and she agreed that the guy who came first cheated, they could at least show some decorum and not act like… well, wild animals. I’m inclined to agree with her.

    • Justin says:

      01:08pm | 27/07/11

      I used to volunteer with an animal welfare charity once upon a time. It sucked, I’m a fuzzy little animal loving sort of bloke, full of empathy and compassion for what I consider to be sentient beings, and believe they should be entitled to be treated as such.

      But, I had to stop. The majority of staff and volunteers, well, it didn’t take long to realise why they like animals so much, and it has a lot to do with the fact that people really dislike their sort. Rude, arrogant, over the top and all with the social skills of a door knob. I thought it might be good to get out and meet people doing something I was passionate about, but the people were just intolerable.

    • Ferals says:

      09:57am | 27/07/11

      Seems like all the feral animals were outside the Circus. Stuffing them in a cage would probably make for some good entertainment.

    • Malleeringneck says:

      09:44am | 27/07/11

      The animal liberation movement is the same as all other extremists movements.
      A small amount of rabid leaders dragging along some misguided individuals who can’t think for themselves.
      No different to Al Qaeda, neo-nazi’s and the like.

    • Dave says:

      09:31am | 27/07/11

      Why is it that every protest rally that turns violent is organised by the left?

    • jade (the other one) says:

      12:31am | 29/07/11

      @Dave - I seriously doubt that the rioters in Cronulla were left-wingers. I also think the people in the US toting their automatic rifles to town hall meetings are threatening violence and they are definitely not left wing.

    • scotty says:

      06:09pm | 27/07/11

      Norway was the work of someone mentally ill - like Martin Bryant over here.

      Likening that CRIME to any kind of protest is just abhorrent.

    • Dave says:

      01:38pm | 27/07/11

      Shame, Li, shame.

      Typical of the left to lie and distort. Let’s face facts. The most violent demonstrations ever seen in Melbourne (WEF and S11, G20, the Docks dispute) have ALL been organised by left-wing organisations, have ALL been escalated by left-wing organisations and have all been fought by left-wing organisations.

      Funny, never seen a group of Conservatives smash the windows of a Starbucks, vandalise a police car, assault police (while hiding their identity behind bandanas and hoodies), prevent lawful access to a workplace (hello trade union movement), throw rocks and molotov cocktails at people…

      Search for ‘dollar sweets dispute’. Also ‘mudginberri dispute’.

    • adam says:

      12:32pm | 27/07/11

      Li,

      Norway was not a protest rally. Trying to tie it to this conversation was tastless at best

    • Li says:

      11:04am | 27/07/11

      Norway might disagree with you Dave.

    • GOLD says:

      09:21am | 27/07/11

      they are angry because they are hungry and seriously lacking in vitamins. give them all a steak sandwich and they will be happy.

    • Against the Man says:

      09:02am | 27/07/11

      ‘Because if there’s one thing we’ve all been reminded of lately by events like the feral anti-tax-which-shall-not-be-named rally with its vulgar slogans, it’s that vitriol and hate is no way to argue a case for anything.’

      But Anthony have you ever asked why this tax we shall not name is causing all this hate?

      The hate we have is thanks to our least fav unmarried, childless fake PM. What we have to do is channel that hate into getting her and the ALP out of government smile

    • libertarian vegetarian says:

      08:59am | 27/07/11

      Anthony, you say “Secondly, I don’t believe that performing animals send a good message to kids. It suggests that animals are there for our amusement, which I most firmly believe they are not.”
      Yet you gave your money to the circus, therefore supporting something you claim not to agree with. Interestingly I’ve found this to be the case with about 70% of the parents I’ve spoken to who have, or intend to, take their children to see a circus with animals. They know it’s ‘wrong’ but they think their children will like it. I find this bizarre. It would be like me taking my children to a steakhouse or to a Greens meeting in some deluded belief they would like it, despite the thought of both these things sending chills up my spine.
      I don’t agree with aggressive protesting in this fashion or of organizing boycotts etc. Although as much as you criticize the methods, this protest was probably quite effective. Whats the chances of anyone who was there going back for a second dose? Or telling their friends to go? So it’s pretty effective at cutting off the money supply. My objection to such tactics is ideological, not practical. It’s easy to ignore me, peacefully handing out pamphlets and talking to those who want to know. Those who don’t can refuse to meet my gaze, put their heads down and hurry past, or if I’m really lucky abuse me.  Although the ones who stick their fingers in the ears and say “I don’t want to know”  over and over again are the best.
      Perhaps the lesson for you here is don’t be a hypocrite and you are less likely to have to run into nutters.

    • PC says:

      12:00pm | 27/07/11

      @ Nic - Parents put their interests ahead of their kid’s all the time.

      I went to school with a girl who, because of her parents beliefs, was raised as a Jehova’s Witness.  If a member of our social group had a cake at school for their birthday, she would go off on her own for the day, because JW’s view birthdays as a pagan celebration.

      She once confided in me that she would really like to join us but she wasn’t allowed to.

    • libertarian vegetarian says:

      11:55am | 27/07/11

      Anthony, I would have thought most parents would do a little investigation before taking their child to a party that was being held somewhere other than a private home., in order to make sure the venue was somewhere they were comfortable with. Surely you had some idea of where you were going before you turned up there???  Yes, you were in a sticky situation, but thats what you get for not checking first.  Mind you, absolution of parental responsibility seems to be a common theme with the posters on this site.

      @Nic - I don’t agree with your statement “He did what any good parent would do and put aside his own feelings, in preference to the interests of his daughter. ”  I always thought the job of parents was to impart values they consider important to their child. Apparently though, parenting is about expecting others to do it for you.

    • Nic says:

      09:39am | 27/07/11

      Ohhh come on lv.  Are you seriously suggesting that you have never even remotely compromised an opinion because of the interests of a third party - in Anthony’s case, his child, who clearly would have been disappointed if Dad’s opinion prevented her from enjoying a birthday party with her friends.  He did what any good parent would do and put aside his own feelings, in preference to the interests of his daughter. 

      So much anger in this country - and I am making this point generally and not levelling it at you by the way - and so little respect.  Why are we so quick to attack.  Any and all PMs deserve to be treated with respect and if we cant, that says far more about who we are as a nation than it does of the policies upon which the PMs stand.  Should we be surprised, probably not, because for the most part, they show little respect for one another. 

      Animal rights are very important and I saw the protestors to which Anthony referred in his story and I did not see them abusing anyone.  As to the reference about a kid being in gaol, I don’t have an issue with it because I think it succinctly demonstrates what the animal must be feeling in a manner a child can immediately grasp.  Notwithstanding, I think there is a right and wrong way to express oneself - you do it the right way and more power to you.  There are many animal rights issues that need more attention and the peaceful distribution of pamphlets or flyers works as well as any other form of protest in swaying public opinion.

    • Anthony Sharwood

      Anthony Sharwood says:

      09:38am | 27/07/11

      As I explained clearly in the piece, I dropped my daughter at another kid’s birthday party, unaware of what kind of circus it was. You;re hardly going to turn up and deny her the chance to be part of a kids’ social event. Had I known, I would have thought twice, and possibly not allowed her to go

    • Tubesteak says:

      08:56am | 27/07/11

      I wonder if they own pets…...

      Funny about the spotted bow-tie protester - I always think cages are the best place for children. Moreso when they start crying or smelling.

      I also don’t see what’s so bad about being kept in an enclosure and being fed and watered and cleaned by someone else. I wish I could get that. Beats working for a living. I wish I could stay home all day and have someone else pay for my life. In some ways I wish I was born a woman.

    • jay-ded says:

      03:23pm | 27/07/11

      @ Tubesteak ” I’ve lost count of the number of times I’ve seen women downshift their careers or quit altogether as soon as they got married. Seems to happen at least twice per month where I work.”

      Most of the women in my work place are married with kids and they certainly seem to outnumber the men.

      Personally, my husband has been working on his own “project” for over 4 years now - without bringing in an income.  So I am the bread winner of the family.  The only time I’ve had off since I was 15 was 12 months when my 1st son was born.  The 2nd lot of children, I only took 6 months off.  Most of my friends have done the same because we just can’t afford not to work.  Why judge all women by the few that you see in your workplace?

    • dazman says:

      02:32pm | 27/07/11

      @ Jasmine, sadly your comment has just lent a degree of legitimacy to TubeSteaks argument about the double standards applied. As a male, given that I earn about double my wife’s income, which is then used to pay the rent, buy groceries, cover utility costs, pay insurance and car loans ,and given that I cook all the meals, do more than a fair share of laundry and other domestic tasks, care for kids, give my wife ‘Her Time’ to be with the girls and do their thing (whilst not going to the pub with my mates, not blowing my dollars on the neddies or other gambling etc - yeah, as a guy I suppose I am a bit weird) , can I get rid of my ‘Free Loader’ wife? Or would I be considered sexist/mysoginistic??? Just wondering

    • Fluttershy says:

      01:32pm | 27/07/11

      @Tubesteak

      Uh, no. You live together, you both pay for things. I would never expect anyone to pay my way.

    • Jasmine says:

      01:29pm | 27/07/11

      Fluttershy, more fool you and your sister. Get rid of the freeloaders, who probably think they’ve died and gone to heaven. Do you cook for him too? Wake up, girls!

    • Tubesteak says:

      12:47pm | 27/07/11

      jay-ded
      I live in 2011. I’ve lost count of the number of times I’ve seen women downshift their careers or quit altogether as soon as they got married. Seems to happen at least twice per month where I work.

      Fluttershy
      Again, you miss the point. If a man expected a woman to do the same he’d be single for a long time. Women like to have “a choice”. Men have no choice.

    • Fluttershy says:

      11:59am | 27/07/11

      @Tubesteak

      I really don’t see anything wrong with wanting my partner, who lives with me, to help pay the rent, the utilities, the food, his entertainment…

      I still pay for about 75% of expenses, four years on.

    • Fiddler says:

      10:56am | 27/07/11

      @Tubesteak. Love. Your. Work

    • jay-ded says:

      10:41am | 27/07/11

      @ Tubesteak.  LOL Loved the way you used someone else’s line:  “You’re like men only without reason and accountability.”

      Obviously women in your world stay home all day and do nothing.  Which century are you living in?

    • Tubesteak says:

      10:28am | 27/07/11

      BJ: Why would you say that? How would you know? Being a woman is easy. You’re like men only without reason and accountability and an obsession with shoes and clothes and hair and make-up and non-exercise like yoga and pilates.

      On second thought, maybe you’re right.

    • Tubesteak says:

      10:20am | 27/07/11

      Li: I didn’t denigrate women. Please don’t use words you clearly don’t understand. I was admiring their ability to choose to do this and it still remain socially acceptable. This is something that is not open to men. Recent studies have shown that women will not marry an unemployed man and most of the time will reject a man that earns less than them. The study is cited in the video on this page: http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/lifematters/blogs/ask-sam/behind-every-man-is—a-tiger-wife-20110725-1hvt1.html

      Fluttershy: You also prove my point. They only supported the man for a brief period of time in which he was expected to earn his way again and in one case increase his earning potential. This is a double standard women rigidly adhere to yet won’t even recognise it exists. Hence my final statement in my original comment.

    • BJ says:

      10:10am | 27/07/11

      You’re not good enough to be a woman.

    • Fluttershy says:

      09:40am | 27/07/11

      My male partner was unemployed for 18 months while I paid for everything and supported him. I still earn about double what he does.

      My sister stayed at work while her male partner went back to uni for three years to get a degree for a better job and she still earns three times as much as he does.

      So, who do you think was paying for who’s life in these situations? It certainly wasn’t the women who were sitting around the house.

    • Li says:

      09:26am | 27/07/11

      Was it really necessary to denigrate women. Careful Tubesteak with that kind of hatred you might find yourself in an enclosure.

    • AdamC says:

      08:54am | 27/07/11

      This was a good, well-written article. I am a bit ambivalent about circuses with animals, too. I suspect, with the availability of zoos in major cities and the relative ease of travelling to them, the days of animals in circuses are numbered.

      On another note, I have long been of the view that - for a host of excellent reasons - Australians are vastly over-accommodating of protests. I have never agreed with the proposition that people have a ‘right’ to protest, at least not if they are creating a nuisance for others. Screaming at people and getting in their face is not on, and organisations whose members do that should be banned from protesting in public.

    • Glenno says:

      08:47am | 27/07/11

      I don’t excuse the harassment of children in any shape or form, but to countenance the idea of a circus with animals in this day and age does seem a little unmindful. If it somehow makes you less of a parent to deny your kids the pleasure of animal acts, then so be it. A child is very capable of making decisions based on empathy, so let’s not ‘toughen them up’ because they need to live in ‘the real world’.

      We’re not in Sparta anymore, Toto.

    • Peter#1 says:

      08:40am | 27/07/11

      In a democratic society it is the right of any citizen to protest, or so it would seem, provided that you are young, a trade unionist, a member of GetUp, PETA or Greenpeace and have left-leaning ideologies.
      However, when older Australians dare to gather and protest peacefully against the Carbon Tax, the wet-behind –the-ears young turds suddenly don’t like it and start referring to them as “ugly old protesters”.
      Well, let me say to these young turds, long before you were a sperm in your father’s testicles, we older Australians were fighting for the freedoms that you now enjoy and would seek to deny us.

    • Chris L says:

      10:01pm | 28/07/11

      @Peter #1 - When did I dish it? I don’t even fit the description of a “young leftie”. You seem as eager to throw around casual insults as the people you take offence at.

    • Fromage67 says:

      02:07pm | 28/07/11

      When/where did you fight Pete? Lets hear your credentials mate. Ps What I don’t like about older people, LIKE MYSELF, protesting is when they don’t have a clue about whats going on, like most of the protestors (and speakers) at the aforementioned rally. Why do you think its cool for you guys to believe in and spread the lies of Alan Jones and his paymasters?

    • Peter#1 says:

      03:21pm | 27/07/11

      @ LeftRightOut
      Thank you.
      It’s time we, the silent majority, made ourselves heard.
      We have tolerated abuse in silence for too long.

      @ Chris L
      What can I say. If the term fits, wear it.
      You young lefties have stirred us old bastards up. If you dish it up, we’ll serve it back, so get used to it.

    • Chris L says:

      01:46pm | 27/07/11

      “expect not to be called “ugly old Australians”.” -

      but “wet-behind –the-ears young turds” is perfectly fine.

    • LeftRightOut says:

      01:19pm | 27/07/11

      Peter#1 - post of the day, my man!

    • Peter#1 says:

      01:08pm | 27/07/11

      @ Mike
      A little basic comprehension would reveal to you what I actually said.
      But let me clarify it for you. I am not advocating cruelty to animals.
      My point was that us older Australians fought for the right of everyone to demonstrate if they feel aggrieved, as these protestors obviously did.
      However, the right to demonstrate is not limited to the young, trade unionists, members of GetUp, PETA, Greenpeace or any other group with left-leaning ideologies.
      When we older Australians have had enough of the crap from young, naive left-wing zealots we will use our right to demonstrate and expect not to be called “ugly old Australians”.

    • Mike says:

      11:08am | 27/07/11

      Yes dammit, we FOUGHT for the right to keep animals in cruel conditions!

    • jay-ded says:

      08:36am | 27/07/11

      Nice article Ant.  Pity your kids had to put up with the protestors though.  A person should be able to enjoy a day out at the circus without having animal protestors screaming at you.

    • jay-ded says:

      09:22am | 27/07/11

      @ Sceptic.  That wasn’t my interpretation of the blog….

    • Sceptic says:

      08:53am | 27/07/11

      No, no, these are Ant’s people, he’s shocked to find out how they behave, he’s questioning his own faith and ideologies.  Quite a bummer really.

    • Cloud Strife says:

      08:28am | 27/07/11

      I think Mr Lennon would have more experience with lions than the activists. And it’s true, felines are social creatures despite their solitary reputation. They form attachments to their ‘pride’. If you suddenly took away members of their group - such as the human ones - and stuck them in a free range zoo, the lions would not be happy. Just look at Christian the lion - he obviously felt great affection for his humans!

      And PETA are just insane. They kill more surrendered pets each year than the majority of shelters.

    • Matt says:

      08:12am | 27/07/11

      Yep, most people hate being screamed at… The last sentence did you no favours, actually it made the whole article just one big mis-guided whine with a tax on the end, no surprises where you want the comments to go.

    • Steve says:

      08:10am | 27/07/11

      Here’s one for you (and I’m a proud carnivore):
      It’s not OK to have animals trained to perform for us as entertainment because that’s cruel, but it’s OK to kill and eat them.
      Discuss…

    • Audra Blue says:

      01:26pm | 28/07/11

      Agree: it’s not okay to have animals trained to perform for us as entertainment.

      Disagree: it’s okay to kill and eat them.

      I’m happily vegan but if you want to eat meat, go for it and enjoy it while it’s still socially acceptable.  Just try to buy meat that is “ethically” slaughtered (yes, I know it’s an oxymoron).

    • Occam's Blunt Razor says:

      01:41pm | 27/07/11

      Masterchef is about dead animals for entertainment (well not according to me but there are millions of Australian TV viewers including Mrs Razor who disagree with me on that point).

      I wonder if all the Vegans and animal libbers don’t watch?

    • un-PC says:

      11:27am | 27/07/11

      There’s room for all of God’s creatures…


      ...right beside the mashed potatoes.

    • Tubesteak says:

      10:09am | 27/07/11

      If we weren’t meant to eat animals then they wouldn’t be made out of meat

    • jay-ded says:

      09:22am | 27/07/11

      So long as you don’t play with your food.  wink

    • Aidan says:

      08:06am | 27/07/11

      I think Denis Leary summed up animal activists best;

      “Don’t eat the tuna fish!”
      “What?”
      DON’T EAT THE TUNA FISH!!!”
      “Why?”
      “Dolphins are getting caught in the nets!”
      “What about the tuna fish?”
      “Well fuck them, they taste good!”

    • Sharron says:

      09:13pm | 31/07/11

      Aiden what does that even mean?

    • David S says:

      07:57am | 27/07/11

      Animal activists may the most annoying, but are perhaps the most effective since we are hard wired to have respect for and a connection with animals.

      That doesn’t excuse bad behaviour, but freedom of speech has to err on ths side of a citizens’ right to protest.  Perhaps one could also argue that freedom FROM speech should also be ‘civil’ right.  Freedom from incivility, perhaps?  I’m not sure how many would turn up to a rally to demand civil discourse.  What would the banners say?
      “Politeness NOW, please”
      “June Dally Watkins for PM”
      “If you’re so loud, I can’t hear you”

      Perhaps the cost of free speech is we all need to develop a thicker skin.  I’m not saying we have to tolerate the race to the bottom of the media who seems to report any salacious fact regarding footballers and their girlfriends as hot news, but a simple understanding it’s better to be chanted by people exercising their free speech than not at all.

    • Sharron says:

      07:47pm | 31/07/11

      Please don’t make the statement ‘animal activists behave worse than the animals they cleam to represent’  without backing that comment up with some examples. PLease provide us with examples of what you state

    • BobM says:

      12:47pm | 27/07/11

      @ David S - ‘we are hard wired to have respect for and a connection with animals’.

      Only in your little greenie mind - we are more hard-wired to hunt them, kill them and eat them. Just ask David Attenborough.

    • Sceptic says:

      08:19am | 27/07/11

      Animal activists behave worse than the animals they claim to represent.

    • DaftPunkCoffee says:

      07:40am | 27/07/11

      People just can’t wait to go apeshit (mind the pun) over issues that they are so emotionally attached to, as if it gives them the moral high ground.

    • DJ says:

      07:34am | 27/07/11

      get a grip on yourself Ant. That anti-tax rally was a Sunday picnic compared to the feral behaviour of the G20 protesters and the stupid destruction of a legitimate scientific establishment by Greenpeace. ... and by the way, what did you think of the discraceful effigies and denigration of John Howard and George Bush during the previous governments term. Oh I get it .... that’s OK because it’s anti establishment.

    • Sceptic says:

      07:18am | 27/07/11

      Lefty’s, so opposed to abusive treatment, yet first to resort to violence, throwing bags of urine and destroying property.

    • Sceptic says:

      07:06am | 27/07/11

      Whilst those two indulge in a love-in, let’s get back to the article.

      “Animal Liberation believe the animal “snapped”, although there was some suggestion the animal was only trying to nudge its handler awake after he suffered a heart attack, and inadvertently crushed him.”

      Funny how people ‘know’ what an animal is thinking.  Trained in CPR no doubt.

    • ronny jonny says:

      06:43am | 27/07/11

      What about the behaviour of left protesters during Pauline Hansons day? Not just vulgar signs but actual violence there. In fact it would be hard to name a left protest that didn’t involve violence, at least of the verbal and written kind.
      “never intended to be objects of entertainment”. Intended? By who? The Sky Fairy? Mother Nature? Gaia? Lynda Stoner? Give it a rest, perfroming animals are terrific fun and it is human nature to enjoy the show.

    • Wombat says:

      12:58pm | 30/07/11

      Ant, hope you get lost in a White Out while skiing, that would bring you back to earth and numb your senses a bit, and maybe put you on the correct track.

    • MarkS says:

      04:01pm | 27/07/11

      Both major parties got togeather to ensure the power they share was not lost. Yes Abbott was involved. A pox on both of them. By the way I still think that One Nation was a bunch of loons but even loons should have a voice.

    • TheRealDave says:

      01:53pm | 27/07/11

      I agree Ronny, terrible what they, and by ‘they’ I mean those wicked Lefties did to Pauline….protesting against her, not agreeing with what she had to say etc

      Correct me if I’m wrong here Ronny…but isn’t it regarded as the most vile and despicable act of bastardy in Australian political history where a senior Coalition Minister organised a secret slush fund and gang of unelected thugs to drag up mud on pauline which culminated with her going to gaol?

      Remind me again who that was…..Tony rAbbott wasn’t it?

      He’s just a smidge to the Right isn’t he?

    • Erick says:

      06:05am | 27/07/11

      Just couldn’t resist that last sentence, could you? And you were doing so well up till then.

      How about mentioning the violent and abusive behaviour of G-20 protesters? Oh, that’s right, they’re lefties.

    • LeftRightOut says:

      01:15pm | 27/07/11

      Sharwood, you [intentionally] missed the point. x no of paragraphs this, x no that… doesn’t cut it my man!
      You’re using your rant at a ratbag animal lover (of which everyone agrees, though some may not have been so placid or calm - good for you) to smear (falsely) everyone who was at some non-existent rally. Non existent, given the words used: vitriol, hate, vulgar slogans (vulgar is almost passable for the ditch the witch/bitch whatever it was), though to use the plural constitutes a lie on your part.

      I have no problem with you, or anyone else being biased, it’s only natural - I much prefer people to have opinions, as long as they’re considered. Whether I agree with them or not is irrelevant.

      What you didn’t address, and what you’ve been criticised for, is your false smear of antiCO2 tax rally attendees. Most of them were reportedly geriatric, yet the narrative that the [leftist] media is trying to create, is that they’re right wing extremists. You sir, are perpetuating that lie, and that’s why people have called bull$h1t on you.

      Enjoy the snow - while you still can wink

    • Super D says:

      01:09pm | 27/07/11

      @Ant - just to clarify you’re not rebutting a single point I’ve made yet awarding yourself a win and doing a victory lap?

    • Anthony Sharwood

      Anthony Sharwood says:

      11:19am | 27/07/11

      @ Super D would you like me to batter you and serve you in pieces or cook you whole?

    • Super D says:

      10:27am | 27/07/11

      @Anthony - How fortunate you are to be able to ski on snow that Flannery and his warming buddies promised wouldn’t be there.  You could reflect on the irony of this while riding the chairlift but somehow I doubt you will…

    • Anthony Sharwood

      Anthony Sharwood says:

      09:42am | 27/07/11

      To you @LeftRightOut and to you @Sceptic, this article has 28 paragraphs, almost all of which call to question a group of predominantly leftist protestors.

      Only one of the 28 paragraphs calls to question a group of predominantly right wing protestors, yet because of that you claim I am biased.

      I have no other conclusion to draw other than that bias is in the eye of the beholder.

      BTW, I’m off for the week now and heading down to the snow. Seeyas!

    • LC says:

      09:21am | 27/07/11

      “Feral Rally” Anthony?

      So, if the anti-carbon tax rallies were feral in Anthony’s book, I wonder how he would describe the union rally at parliment house and the g20 rally both of which turned violent?

    • Sceptic says:

      08:16am | 27/07/11

      Ant,

      Perhaps you could expand on the grounds for determining the ‘last big public rally’ was feral?

    • LeftRightOut says:

      07:56am | 27/07/11

      Hands up anyone who buys Sharwood’s defence? (ie: Last rally that had “feral” behavior)

      Maybe a lefty or two, but Sharwood has had the old ICB treatment… as they would say these days… PWNED!

    • LeftRightOut says:

      07:55am | 27/07/11

      “Feral”? because someone held up a sign saying “ditch the witch”?

      Was there some S11 style anarchistic break out or something? Or is Sharwood using hyperbowl? [sic]

    • Super D says:

      07:45am | 27/07/11

      Ant your definition of feral behaviour is a a little off base.  The anti-carbon tax rallies have been pretty much the most peaceful mass protest rallies the nation has ever seen.  Sure there were some rude placards biut how about some perspective - not a single Starbucks has been trashed by anti-carbon tax supporters, not a single police vehicle damage, no fear of police horses being injured after slipping on marbles or ball bearings.

      You can disagree with their position all you want but this doesn’t change the fact that the anti-carbon tax protests could well serve as a model for peaceful protests the world over.

    • Erick says:

      06:29am | 27/07/11

      Morning, Ant. Dunno about that “feral behaviour” thing. I think it takes more than a handful of people holding rude signs to make it “feral”. Totally agree about the animal libbers you encountered, though.

      And you were very naughty to bring up the tax-which-shall-not-be-named!

    • Anthony Sharwood

      Anthony Sharwood says:

      06:24am | 27/07/11

      Morning from the am shift, Erick. Mate, that was just the last big public rally with feral behaviour. If there had been another more obvious recent one in Australia, I would have picked that one

    • Sceptic says:

      06:03am | 27/07/11

      Welcome Ant to the real world and thoughts of the people you affiliate most with.

    • LeftRightOut says:

      07:52am | 27/07/11

      Quote: “events like the feral anti-tax-which-shall-not-be-named rally with its vulgar slogans, it’s that vitriol and hate”

      You just invalidated your own cause… I’m amazed, that a parent who claims their children were abused by these ratbags, writes an article basically supporting them, with a wet lettuce leaf slap for a “blow in” - not a “real” animal rights campaigner…
      You then stretch this to somehow try and weave into this [non] story, a hyperbolic swipe at [more than likel;y conservatives in general, but] anti CO2 tax campaigners.

      Poor effort, Sharwood. The left certainly do enjoy smearing people, don’t they.

 

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