What really happened in the caucus room yesterday

marco says:

06:23am | 28/02/12

It strikes me that Gillard has won the battle ... but lost the war.

I was stunned by the number of Labor MPs who were paraded on TV yesterday to support Gillard - and the sad thing is that I really think they believe their own spin.  They actually believe Australians listen to and trust Gillard, and that is a fatal misjudgement for Labor.

As for Gillard’s comment that ‘the carbon tax will stay’ (at $23pt), well that was a fairly nasty and arrogant sledge to many Australians. RIP Labor.

TimB says:

06:59am | 28/02/12

“As for Gillard’s comment that ‘the carbon tax will stay’ (at $23pt), “...

Another lie from Gillard. It’s actually going to go up next year.

Against the Man says:

07:07am | 28/02/12

Part of the problem is that the public knows the REAL Julia. And the REAL Julia isn’t a very nice, trustworthy or competent individual.

acotrel says:

07:54am | 28/02/12

Tony Abbott is competent and trustworthy. Competent liar, and you can trust him to be poisonous.

Borderer says:

08:17am | 28/02/12

Fret not, Ruddy just took a massive ego hit and has basically been told “You will never lead the party or the country ever again.” Yet he spent weekend being lauded by the public, if he’s not thinking about leaving the party to start his own then he’s not as egotistical as we believe. Either that or he will force the party to an early election to get Gillard and her supporters booted by leaking more damaging things than he already has. Loved by the public and despised by the party are two very strongly opposed forces, Ruddy will respond once he’s picked himself back up, no later than the end of May…...

Amber says:

08:41am | 28/02/12

@acotrel.  Dunno about Mr Abbott, but you sure spew forth plenty of vile poison yourself.  It’s like it’s running through your vains, reading your nasty rants on here.  Let go of the past - forget about previous administrations or anybody opposing Labor, and provide us all with ideas on how Ms Gillard (you know, the person actually leading the country) can get the nation back on track.  If there’s no reply to that question, then it’s pretty obvious you’re just whipping up lies to distract from Labor’s woes.

Gris says:

09:44am | 28/02/12

Amber
The nation is on track. You have just lost your way.
Come away from the darkness that is Abbott and into the light.

acotrel says:

10:01am | 28/02/12

Amber - what he said ! Read Abbott’s book. Mr B.A,Santamaria was his first political mentor !

Damocles says:

10:30am | 28/02/12

acotrel, you have a real Tony Abbott fetish, don’t you? Can’t help yourself! Knock Juliar and out comes acotrel, “Yeah but, yeah but, Tony Abbott is meaner and nastier and he lies too and he’s just as incompetent and anyway he started it….......................acotrel, Labor lover come what may, no matter what…..............balanced view and opinion? Nah, unbalanced to the end…...........go acotrel go!

Austin 3:16 says:

11:02am | 28/02/12

@acotrel,

One thing about Tony Abbott is that he looks more and more like the better choice each passing day.

JT says:

11:23am | 28/02/12

Well we have an answer to acotrel and nossy(spartacus) et al

‘‘Psychologist Karyn Krawford claims that extreme trolling may be a sign of mental ill-health.’‘

http://www.news.com.au/technology/it-just-makes-me-happy-when-i-can-make-someone-angry-a-special-investigation-into-the-dark-world-of-trolling/story-e6frfro0-1226278282934

Tracker says:

11:29am | 28/02/12

I never really liked Tony Abbott (though he is a man of principle, community values and well educated but not the sort of guy you would hang out with at a party).. but every time acotrel mentions Tony Abbott I begin to like the man. This negative advertising is not working well @acotrel.. say something nice about him so I can go back to disliking him please

On topic, I get the feeling the ALP will dump Gillard closer to the election, install Smith as PM and call an election during his honeymoon period and at best hope for Green preferences to at least form a minority government again.

Against the Man says:

03:59pm | 28/02/12

Keep it up acotrel, you’re helping the LNP cause with every comment you make

acotrel says:

04:42pm | 28/02/12

A word of advice which will certainly fall on deaf ears:
Don’t promote Abbott !

gobsmackski says:

06:25am | 28/02/12

Russia would be a rural backwater if it weren’t for Stalin.

acotrel says:

06:32am | 28/02/12

Commiephobia iwasthe stock in trade of the idiots who followed Mr B.A.Santamaria.  It was used by Bob Menzies to win several elections.  It was the reason that we were dragged into VIetnam and lost 580 men in a vain effort.  The ‘Domino Effect’ DID NOT HAPPEN when we LOST that war !  For many years the conservatives have used commiephobia to stifle legitimate debate.  The catholic church did one good thing when they engineered the demise of the communist world behind the iron curtain - they removed the hindrance to democracy in the western w orld cause by morons like Sony B Goode ! Commiephobia is finished - get over it Nazis !

Bill says:

06:59am | 28/02/12

Acotrel - your failure to repudiate communism speaks volumes about the nonsense you write here every day.

FYI, Menzies won all those elections because the policies he put to the people were far superior to those of the leftwing opposition.

As for your use of the term nazis - i have no words to describe my contempt.

davo of Thorneside says:

07:20am | 28/02/12

acotrel did not say Tony Abbot….is that a first…but I agree somewhat the commie thing is a bit overdone.

marley says:

07:42am | 28/02/12

@acotrel - three comments in and you’re invoking Nazis.  I call Godwin’s Law and you lose (again).

By the way, you don’t have to be a Nazi to dislike Communism. You just have to have seen what Communism wrought in Eastern Europe to dislike it.

Borderer says:

08:22am | 28/02/12

Acotrel
Poor form on wheeling out the nazi comment, I don’t recall the above commenters calling for the expulsion or termination of Jews or other minorities nor the implimentation of a “Greater Australia” on our neighbours. Labelling people as such is vile slander.

ronny jonny says:

08:24am | 28/02/12

@Alcotrel,
Lost the Vietnam war? Who killed the most enemy soldiers? Who never lost a battle? Who prevented the spread of communism in SE Asia? It think you’ll find the answer is the USA and it’s allies. Vietnam was the last country to fall to communism in SE Asia, a successful campaign I think.
@gobsmackski
Most of Russia is a rural backwater still. You might want to ask the people who live there if they’d prefer to remain that way or be killed like the millions Stalin killed to “modernise” Russia. Well done Stalin! Communism was and still is a scourge to be treated with contempt and stamped out wherever it tries to rear it’s ugly head again.

MarkS says:

08:27am | 28/02/12

@Marley
Godwins law, bah humbug. A law is something that can be inforced. Trying to invoke the silly meme called Godwins law means you lose. I do not have to play by your rules & neither does acotrel.

B A Santamaria would like Tony Abbott. He really is a DLP pollie to the core.

SimonFromLakemba says:

08:53am | 28/02/12

@Ronny Jonny

I don’t think Laos and Vietnam are thriving democracy’s..

And I wouldn’t be praising America’s actions during it

Jim says:

08:55am | 28/02/12

Hmmm…so acotrel defends communism, then uses the word Nazi as an insult.

Stalin 20,000,000 def. Hitler 6,000,000

Both evil.

Your casual use of the word is insulting and only shows what type of person you truly are.

thatmosis says:

09:04am | 28/02/12

I see the Villiage Idiot is in full flight again today. Whats this crap about the Nazi’s, we dont need Nazi’s in Australia when we have rusted on Labor trolls spewing forth their venom.

gob tse tung says:

09:11am | 28/02/12

The Chinese communist party has transformed China into the predominant economic powerhouse while Western countries collapse under the contradictions of capitalism.

Davy says:

09:22am | 28/02/12

On a recent visit to vietnam with discussions with youth. Neither supporters of the allies nor their offspring are currently allowed to hold any public positions nor I believe teaching positions in the new regime. Not sure if its true but that is what I was told. Either way vietnam is certainly not a “free speech” country. Blogs like this would not exist, particularly if they were bagging out the government.

acotrel says:

09:50am | 28/02/12

@Bill
What would you list as Bob Menzies’ great achievements ?  If his policies were so great, where are his monuments ? It is as thoough he never existed.  All that remains is the grief over the guys who died in Vietnam, and some of his scummy politics.

acotrel says:

09:58am | 28/02/12

@JIm
Nobody can defend either communism or nazism, they are the right and left extremes of a totalitarian/authoritarian paradigm.  But what you guys sometimes get into would have us right back there ! The message is - don’t push the pendulum ! Since WW2 we have moved more towards real democracy, we shouldn’t take a backwards step.  The DLP were idiots !  You will note that the Spanish are still having problems with Franco’s supporters.

Sizlak says:

10:25am | 28/02/12

thatmosis
“I see the Villiage Idiot is in full flight again today”

You misplaced your post. AtM hasn’t commented on this thread yet

CRU57Y says:

11:08am | 28/02/12

@acotrel
The monuments to Menzies achievments can be seen in John Howards eyebrows.

Stiffy says:

11:34am | 28/02/12

@ronny jonny - I don’t think body counts is a good way to measure who wins a war. History records that what was essentially a civil war was won by the re-unification of North and South Vietnam under communist rule.

The USA had an opportunity to support a unified democratic Vietnam in 1945. They chose not to and allowed the country to be handed back to it’s pre war colonial rulers - the French. The French lost a lot of battles including the big one Dien Bien Phu. To battles of Kha Shan or Hill 937 could hardly be described as a ‘win’. Probably the repulsion of the Tet offensive was a military win but that really is what ignited the peace movement in the USA.

You seem to have forgotten that Vietnam also invaded and occupied Kampuchea for 10 years.

Tracker says:

12:36pm | 28/02/12

@gob tse tung, Since the end of the cultural revolution and death of Mao, China realised communism didn’t work and modified it’s core of Stalinism and Marxism to suit (credit to Deng Xiao Ping). Unlike the Soviet Union where all that was manufactured or produced belonged to the State (and therefore removing incentive to progress) China has allowed people in certain areas to produce their State quota and anything surplus can be sold on open market.. more or less a capitalist dictatorship. I don’t think communism in China can be claimed as a reason for China’s success, 95% of Chinese are still considered third world or developing and only 5% share the spoils of capitalist success (with obvious CCP or PLA links).

frankr says:

02:45pm | 28/02/12

gobsmackski
the man who executed more people than adolf hitler is one of your hero’s??

gobsmackski says:

03:04pm | 28/02/12

If it weren’t for Stalin we’d all be speaking German and eating strudel.  Which is why Churchill and Roosevelt thought he was such a great bloke.

marley says:

03:16pm | 28/02/12

@gobsmacki:  I doubt that Roosevelt or Churchill thought he was a “great bloke” - just a useful one.  And for damn sure, the Ukrainians, Poles, Hungarians, Czechs, Slovaks and Tatars didn’t think he was a great bloke.  Or the 10 million or so who died in the gulags or were executed.  And the collectivisation of agriculture and the central planning of the economy not only cost lives but probably delayed Russian economic development by 30 years.

frankr says:

03:19pm | 28/02/12

actually gobsmacki as usual you and your ilk speak shit. churchill wanted to keep fighting at the end of the second world war to drive the russians back to russia, but a battle weary world had had enough of fighting and refused to do so. this lead to the oppression and murder of millions for the next 50 years. stalin the biggest mass murderer in history was never thought to be a good bloke except be morons like you

acotrel says:

04:03pm | 28/02/12

The nazis and the communists fought to the finish at Stalingrad.  In the end it doesn’t matter which colour totalitarian bullet kills you, you are still dead.  I hate both those types of vermin.  Democracy is the only way for me !

Against the Man says:

04:04pm | 28/02/12

http://au.news.yahoo.com/cloud/polls/popup/bcd12f0c-b53c-33ed-a4ac-4dba33729462/

Enjoy acotrel and feel free to pass it your mates!

SD says:

04:09pm | 28/02/12

Jim says:09:55am | 28/02/12
“Stalin 20,000,000 def. Hitler 6,000,000”

How do you work that out? Both on about 40-50 million.

Rudd has denied every saying she was a ‘ex communist’. I bet a righty columnist made it up. It’s so easy to fool stupid righties, they just WANT to believe that Gillard will eat your children!

marley says:

05:54pm | 28/02/12

@acotrel:  “The nazis and the communists fought to the finish at Stalingrad.”

Actually, they didn’t.  The Russians stopped the Germans, and then they advanced.  All the way to Berlin.  Which is nowhere near Stalingrad.  Neither the Germans nor the Russians were anywhere close to being finished at Stalingrad;  the momentum shifted, but there were another two years of war before the “finish.”

ago says:

06:47am | 28/02/12

@nathan, im guessing you work for the mines, or in a closely related industry, because it feels like everyone else is hurting, money was wasted in the $900 handout, BER blew shitloeads of doe, the NBN is going to be outdated by time it is finished, power is going to up even more with the carbon tax, the high dollar is killing exports, again the death will be aided by th carbon tax.
if it wasnt for digging a big hole in the ground, then unemployment would be rife, the trade deficit would be huge, and the numbers wouldnt be as spruikable as they are.

a good government would be using the mining boom to shore up other industrie like manufacturing and agriculture, that can live on once everything ha been dug up

acotrel says:

06:59am | 28/02/12

@Nathan
‘You may disagree with the ALP but this talk of doom and destruction is so over the top. ‘

The Abbott led LNP is undertaking the biggest dummy spit in our history.  They are so desperate that they will even destroy business confidence to regain their birthright. If the mortgage belt collapses, they will be responsible ! ! !

acotrel says:

06:59am | 28/02/12

@Nathan
‘You may disagree with the ALP but this talk of doom and destruction is so over the top. ‘

The Abbott led LNP is undertaking the biggest dummy spit in our history.  They are so desperate that they will even destroy business confidence to regain their birthright. If the mortgage belt collapses, they will be responsible ! ! !

olicana says:

08:13am | 28/02/12

Nobody socially I know feels confident in gillards leadership, nobody I know in business has confidence under gillard. The stock markets underperform under this leadership. And to hear emerson saying how much talent the government has I cringe and immediately think of the dozen or so very expensive disasters they are responsible for. And to think pink batts man is still a minister! To me that says it all about this government. And to think the fair work investigation into the health union is coming up for 4 years after they announced in 2010 it was nearing completion costing $1 million so far, to me that says it all when you consider it only took 12 months in the UK to investigate misuse of allowances of politicians and 2 years to finalise all the court cases. And nobody could ever think gillards department sticky finger carefully hidden are behind this manipulation of our justice system.

Steve on the coast says:

11:16am | 28/02/12

@acotrel
The LNP is a state political party in Qld and is not led by Tony Abbott. Abbott is the leader of the Liberal party which is in coalition with the National party led by Warren Truss. @Olicana, I agree with you. No one has confidence in Gillard’s leadership which has drained the confidence of businesses. Why would you invest in a country which has a leader that tells lies and is about to implement the worlds most expensive carbon tax? Yes the share market is performing very badly, in fact, it has not kept pace with either the US or European markets as they continue to climb upwards. Europe is in a real pickle yet their share markets are rising while the share market in the country that is said to have the world’s greatest treasurer and an economy envied by the world lies virtually dormant.

Tator says:

01:58pm | 28/02/12

Nathan,
since the September quarter in 2008 to the September quarter 2011, GDP has risen 6.6%.  In comparison GDP per capital has risen 1%.  During the same timeframe, Australia’s population has grown approximately 6%.  Company tax receipts are way down as well which means most companies are not as profitable as they were 5 years ago.  So people are not getting any wealthier and companies are not making as much profit, so how are people prospering?????

All data from ABS and Budget figures.

acotrel says:

06:52am | 28/02/12

I think that’s where the union headquarters are in Sydney.  It’s a reference to the ‘faceless men’, and another snide insinuation that the ALP is not democratic.

TimB says:

06:58am | 28/02/12

It’s the NSW headquarters for the ALP.

TimB says:

07:36am | 28/02/12

Wrong again Acotrel.

marley says:

07:44am | 28/02/12

@acotrel - no one has to “insinuate” that the ALP isn’t democratic because it’s the obvious truth.  Don’t take my word for it, read the report of Messrs. Faulkner, Bracks and Carr.

Bill says:

07:46am | 28/02/12

Well then perhaps the writer of this article should have made that clear, instead of assuming that everyone reading this lives in NSW and understands where Sussex Street is. I thought it was somewhere in England.

On what street is the ALP or the Liberal Party located in Adelaide, Joe?

JT says:

09:24am | 28/02/12

Sussex street is the home of the faceless men, it is NSW Labor that pull the strings federally so it is irrelevant to this satire where they reside in SA.

Martin says:

11:09am | 28/02/12

@acotrel. A “snide insinuation” LMAO.  What was that about withdrawing preselections if MP’s didn’t support Gillard? Yes most democratic.

Stiffy says:

12:19pm | 28/02/12

Gilles Street? Bill, stop baring your backside to everyone.

TimB says:

07:15am | 28/02/12

Oh god, please not Combet. What an odious little worm.

Hopefully the Coalition need only make reference to the ‘96 Parliament House riot to put him back in his box.

Crassus says:

05:44pm | 28/02/12

TimB, maybe Greg and his mates can celebrate Julia’s win this coming weekend the same way, its time to paaartae

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jW0yxPbZq40

acotrel says:

07:10am | 28/02/12

As you get older you come to understand that the system runs on bullshit.  Learn to live with it, you’ll be much happier !

Mick Griffiths says:

07:48am | 28/02/12

“Acotrel” can’t get much older than I already am and besides have you had your career illegally teken from you, had your reputation within and in general terms torn asunder, had your late wife ( a known cancer sufferer) harassed to an early grave by cowardly anon telephone calls, been victim of an indictable assault (AOABH) by an ex-cop all because you wrote letters to the Ombudsman same classifed as Protected Disclosures, had the then Police Commissioner tell lies to and of you in writing under his own hand, had the Ombudsman supply you with false and misleading responses, had 2 State Govts ignore your work rights, same with federal Govt when complained to re work rights, had it said of you that you suffer from a lifelong mental illness as “suggested” by one dr BUT denied by 22 others, been forced off on “permanent sick report pending termination” for 3 years because of the non-existent mental illness and all done without the required by Law (sic) dr certificate and contrary to 2 treating dr certs which certify me as to being fit for work at the same time etc. It’s because people like you ‘walk away” and don’t do anything that these matters continue to happen and they rely on people like you walking away and doing nothing!

acotrel says:

04:13pm | 28/02/12

@Mick
The story you tell has a familiar ring to it.  I have a rellie who experienced the same sort of thing in Victoria. If you were not insane when you started, it is easy to end up there, because of the experience. I suggest it goes with the territory - a very stressful job.

Wordsmith says:

07:36am | 28/02/12

Déjà vu.  Looks like something you’ve eaten is repeating, Ned.

acotrel says:

07:41am | 28/02/12

I know it’s difficult t o believe, but some blinkered people actually still give him credibility.

GB says:

09:27am | 28/02/12

Gee Ned. You sound eerily familiar to our resident village idiot nostradumbarse. Wouldn’t be employing the use of sockpuppet handles there would you? Lamely referring to yourself and your family in the third person, like you’ve done for the last 24 hours is nossy all over.
All that’s missing is the “How sweet it is” tagline.

Borderer says:

08:32am | 28/02/12

Nossy, have you changed your coment name or is Spartacus the new village idiot?

JT says:

09:28am | 28/02/12

You mean the Tony Abbott who was preferred PM 2-1 over Gillard when Channel 7 news last night spoke to 100 people each in Penrith and Hurstville?

Could you tell your bosses at Labor that we’re getting rather tired of the village idiots they send here, can we get some fresh blood.

the_pseudonym says:

09:36am | 28/02/12

It is nossy Borderer, he likes to think he’s an onion and has many layers, he can hide behind.  Still his posts at other forums are interesting reading, he seems quite sensible on them.  But I wouldn’t call him a village idiot.

Robert S McCormick says:

11:47am | 28/02/12

No if K Rudd had any balls he would not have resigned from Parliament. He should have resigned from the ALP & sat as an Independent. If you are loathed by 66% of your fellow club members then you are better off without them. Julia can thank her lucky stars that he has not yet done that.
OK, if he does move he will be branded as some sort of traitor. which would be a bit rich since they all betrayed him on 24/6/10.
Kevin would not be on his own when it comes to political traitors in the Federal Parliament would he? - in recent times they have all come from the Conservative side of politics. I can think of four, currently serving long-term former Liberal or National Party politicians who have moved to the cross-benches. One of them is not Andrew Wilkie for this is his first term & with any luck his only one.

Kat says:

05:51pm | 28/02/12

Remains to be seen that he won’t, but he might try to lessen the impact he has created for Anna Bligh beforehand, to appear slightly gracious, and let the QLD election run its course.
It has been reported that he left the Chamber when Abbott commenced the motion to suspend standing order (refer ABC online yesterday), and didn’t vote in the division, and Mal Farr’s blog that he was seen passing notes to George Christensen (NAT) who asked last question in QT yesterday.

Will be hard for the party to be critical of the action of him shifting to IND if he did, given the events with the Speaker last year and on which their buffer hinges, from the Thompson affair or wilkie’s revenge which we still await…

Stay tuned, it’s not over.

Or, I guess if he is truly devoted and selfless (cough), the smear of Kevin made by the majority over the last week doesn’t hold true, in which case they may have another credibility issue to respond to.

spartacus says:

10:34am | 28/02/12

hey Joe——is that is all you have to offer??? I mean, really, a load of babbling is hardly effective… Maybe later in life, when u have learned to read.write, spell, and count, you will have more success.!!..

the_pseudonym says:

12:33pm | 28/02/12

‘Maybe later in life, when u have learned to read.write, spell, and count, you will have more success.!!.. ‘

lol nossy, practice what thou preach, but good effort , I’ll give it a B for making a point, d+ for diction and sentence structure.

GB says:

10:21am | 28/02/12

“BUT not so with Abbott, he’s so negative and only attacks the Govt on personalities, not policies.”

Are you serious Mick?

I can’t believe you just typed that. Putting aside whatever side of politics you belong to, what you wrote there is complete fiction.

Mick Griffiths says:

11:17am | 28/02/12

“GB” quite obviously you don’t bother reading or listening to what Abbott goes on with. Put a real leader in there and they’ll walk it in next election regardless, AND I vote Libs and have even helped out on occasions at election time!

GB says:

11:38am | 28/02/12

Are you seriously trying to tell me Abbott hasn’t bothered to attack the Carbon Tax or asylum seeker policies? Instead, you’re telling us he has gone after the “personalities”? Come off it Mick.

HeyJoe says:

09:40am | 28/02/12

If he can’t write crap, then he can write nothing at all.

GB says:

10:39am | 28/02/12

@Spartacus aka Nossy. Still pushing that garbage eh? Mr 18% isn’t returning anytime soon, no matter how much you and your fellow lefties wish it to be so.

Lucretia says:

10:45am | 28/02/12

Either that or one of the political geniuses on this blog could have a crack at it.

Jimmy says:

12:10pm | 28/02/12

yeeeeaaaa…nuh.

Turnbull is the liberals Rudd. Except the differences keeping him out of the leadership actually relate to policies rather than personalities.

Sure MT is popular, but not in the party, no-siree-bob.

Esteban says:

12:33pm | 28/02/12

Turnbull’s preferrred PM rating was in the order of 17% against a dysfunctional, chaotic paralised narcissistic PM.

It is little wonder the ALP supporters want him back.

Only Abbott has been able to finally expose the dysfunction which he has done by having the coalition in an election winning 2PP position.

You are aware that the Dr No tag was a product of the Tony Blair spin doctor who was engaged by the ALP to counter Abbott?

spartacus says:

01:14pm | 28/02/12

Eastaban@ call him Dr NO Teflon Tony, Mr Bean, The Mad Monk, Captain Catholic, Master of the Silly walks, Negative Neville. Father Fail.
The name is of little importance. What is of great importance is the fact that Abboot has a head like a racing tadpole. The attention span of a lightning bolt, a pompous arrogant attitude and a famous shi t eating grin. He is mad, bad and sad, offers nothing, other than being the biggest nut job to ever walk the corridors of parliament….

Esteban says:

02:31pm | 28/02/12

When faced with the prospect of a decisive battle one third of Spatacus’ men fled and the others were killed in the decisive battle with Crassus.

Your beloved ALP has split its forces by 1/3 thanks to Rudd with the reamainder to be defeated by the contemporary Crassus in the name of Abbott.

Being a martyr is not all it is cracked up to be - you have to die like Spartacus. There is still time for you to head to the hills.

Batiatus says:

03:11pm | 28/02/12

“the snake (contemporary Abbott) walks upright as if human”

spartacus says:

03:15pm | 28/02/12

estaban@Do you have a man crush on me? this cyberspace stalking is a little weird! Still what ever turns you on. I could call you a wanker but your hand would be sickened at the thought. Now be a good little nutjob, pop back in your cage. The lovely nurse will give you a pill and a nice jacket to wear!

Lucretia says:

10:48am | 28/02/12

Love it spartacus!

spartacus says:

01:21pm | 28/02/12

Lucretia@ thank you for compliment you know how to make a warrior happy!

spartacus says:

01:21pm | 28/02/12

Lucretia@ thank you for compliment you know how to make a warrior happy!

Crassus says:

01:40pm | 28/02/12

spartucus is a man of simple means, he likes having others make him happy as hand gets tired at times.

lucretia says:

06:36pm | 28/02/12

Rick no-one else has answered this comment so I will give it a go. I think that if the farmers and exporters cared enough, they would have made sure that the live animals they exported to Indonesia were treated humanely. They didn’t. If the Indonesians (sic) have lost face, they have no-one to blame but themselves. We, as a first world nation, have no obligation to continue the foul destruction of animals in the way they choose to kill them. We have to take a stand and demand humane treatment of all living creatures where we can. This is not a perfect system and I don’t want stupid trolls giving examples of failures on Australia’s part to make an opposite point. You know what I mean and as an educated, humane person, it is incumbent on you to acknowledge that the way we treat the least of us, is the way we are judged. It is not all about money.

Martin says:

01:06pm | 28/02/12

@Ned, please put that dummy back in your mouth.

spartacus says:

01:07pm | 28/02/12

ned your Nan sounds like a mighty fine intelligent lady.
i like your SOH.

Crassus says:

03:13pm | 28/02/12

All the labor luvvies, sitting round the table with Mad Hatter and his ‘happy’ little group, throwing out words of spite and bile as they know their party is going ‘down, down, going down’.  Labor have proven they don’t need an opposition, they’re their own opposition.  Guess that’s good news for the Liberals but who really cares for them, it’s even better news for Australia.

Lucretia says:

07:16pm | 28/02/12

That applies to just about every politician you could mention! Maybe minus the religious bit. They all have family of one sort or another-and don’t troll Julia on this as Chis Pyne is barren too.

Lucretia says:

07:17pm | 28/02/12

That applies to just about every politician you could mention! Maybe minus the religious bit. They all have family of one sort or another-and don’t troll Julia on this as Chis Pyne is barren too.

Lucretia says:

07:18pm | 28/02/12

That applies to just about every politician you could mention! Maybe minus the religious bit. They all have family of one sort or another-and don’t troll Julia on this as Chis Pyne is barren too.

Wayne says:

08:23pm | 28/02/12

Lucretia,  This was no troll comment, it was to show Tony Abbott is the same as most others in the community, perhaps he does an gives more than most, given his fundraising for charity efforts, and yet you and others try to demonise him at every opportunity. So what is the real reason you and others demonise him?.