Let’s accept the Federal Opposition’s interpretation of this week’s polling figures at face value; as a consequence of his “softness” on the issue of the alleged armada of boats laden with asylum-seekers arriving on our watery doorstep day by day, Prime Minister Kevin Rudd and his government are falling rapidly out of favour with the Australian public.

The PM is getting marked down, but why, precisely?

And for the sake of the argument, let’s also accept the statistical and methodological reliability – which we can do with considerable confidence – of The Australian newspaper’s latest set of Newspoll numbers.

So, accepting all of that, what does it all add up to? And what does it say about our collective set of national values?

What has been reported in the news media over the past few months is an increase in the activity of people-smugglers operating out of Indonesia, and a subsequent increase in the number of “illegal arrivals” by asylum seekers.

And portrayed enthusiastically by the Federal Opposition as being “soft” on the entire problem of illegal immigration, Kevin Rudd and his government get whacked in the public opinion polls as a result.

From which it seems to follow that we Australians want the barriers against illegal immigration given some pretty hefty reinforcements.

We don’t like these hordes of new arrivals flooding down from the north and we want the Government to take a tough line.

Perhaps it’s not quite that simple. Perhaps the poll numbers actually reflect public dissatisfaction with the apparent failure of efforts - Kevin Rudd’s, and Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono’s – to tackle the people-smuggling aspect of the problem.

They’re really the villains of the piece, and perhaps the Australian public - understanding the wretched exploitation and cruelty which is the people-smugglers’ stock-in-trade - is kicking the government for its lack of moral purpose in this important area of international justice.

But is that really likely?

More likely, the simple opinion minded in the latest Newspoll survey is to the effect that we reckon the government ought to be doing more to keep “the illegals” out. (That’s now a term the Opposition is being careful to avoid, but on my observation, it still has currency in the language of public conversation.)

The morality of that opinion is open to debate, isn’t it? With regional “push factors” (the war in Afghanistan, the isolation of Tamils in Sri Lanka, increasing instability in Pakistan among them) producing more and asylum seekers, don’t we have a duty in this fortunate country to offer sanctuary to dispossessed or terrorised friends and neighbours if we can?

All right, we do have to manage the risk that enemies of our values and social systems may try to infiltrate the columns of genuine asylum seekers to gain access to our shores. But that should be the approach, shouldn’t it?

Surely we don’t assume that all asylum seekers – nor even a significant number of them – are terrorists. It should be a matter of managing a risk, not shutting the gates altogether, surely.

Back to the poll figures, Newspoll calculated - on the basis of its latest survey - that the government’s support in two-party preferred terms had fallen to 52 percent, against 48 percent for the Opposition; a decline of seven percentage points on the survey conducted a fortnight earlier.

Predictably, the Government says it will not be influenced by the latest poll, that it will continue to govern “in the national interest”.

“The government is ensuring it implements its tough, responsible, but fair policy,” Mr Rudd was reported as saying in an article in The Australian.

“It’s tough and hardline on people smugglers. It’s humane on asylum seekers – that’s a responsible policy in the national interest.”

Well, quite so. But governments do have a tendency, despite routine and automatic denials of it, to tailor their policy settings according to the public mood.

And that mood is measured, at least in part, by opinion surveys such as those conducted by newspoll and The Australian.

Mr Rudd is on the record as suggesting Australia will have - and should have - a population of around 35 million by mid-century.

So it will be fascinating to watch how he reacts if opinion polls continue to suggest dissatisfaction with his government’s response to the issue of asylum seekers.

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    • WHR says:

      05:56am | 05/11/09

      Each of the people pay up to $30,000 to people smugglers.

      How about we offer a service which charges $30,000 per person in Sri Lanka or wherever. We will fly them to Christmas island, test if they are refugees. If they are they go through the normal refugee process. If they are not we send them home and keep their money.

      We make a net of $28,000 per person. They get here (and go home) safely. The net effect from their pocket is the same. 1000 people come, this yields $28 million for the Government coffers.

    • Clint Walsh says:

      06:22am | 05/11/09

      If you come from an intermediate country that is not at war and not persecuting you, and often has a similar religious outlook in the majority then you are not a fair dinkum refugee from that intermediate country. 

      Show me the refugees that come here direct from their troubles. None. They move on past several safe options that just aren’t as appealing as Australia. I feel sorry for those that don’t have the money to barge (pun intended) to the front.

    • P.Gibbons says:

      07:13am | 05/11/09

      As long as his masters in Beijing are still pulling the strings, Satellite Chairman Rudd will need the population boost to fill the factories in the future satellite state of Ruddistan, in the People’s Republic of China (PRC).  Don’t worry, until Rudd receives his Nobel Prize, he will still keep diverting attention away from his failures by further false promises.

      I think we should have elected a record player, becasue has anyone noticed that Rudd seems to say the same thing over and over again, regardless of the situation. He actually lives in a fantasy land.

    • Eric says:

      07:40am | 05/11/09

      Like Peter Lewis, Roger Coombs completely misses the point of the opinion polls.

      If, instead of lecturing and speculating, you actually *read* what people say in the comments threads, then you might have a chance of understanding what the Australian people really think.

      But it’s far easier to sit in a cloud of smug moral superiority and make prejudiced assumptions about those foolish plebs. And so you won’t understand—and without understanding you won’t have influence.

    • Charles says:

      08:11am | 05/11/09

      Roger Coombs, like most journalists on this issue, completely misreads the Australian public on this topic.  It is like this, the average Australian understands these cashed up illegal immigrants are trying to bully their way into Australia.  Most people do not like this attitude.  Also, they understand that when these prats barge in, a genuine refugee who is waiting patiently in some refugee camp in fairly ordinary circumstamnces, will not get an invitation for a new life, because someone with a lot of money has just talken his/her spot.

      Most Australian also understand that the classification of these people as refugees is usually only due to bureaucratic convenience, by public servants or the UNHCR who are either too terrified, or too lazy to truly determine what motivated these people to come here.  So, they usually will accept all sorts of wild tales, just as Greens senator Sarah Hanson Young did last week, just so they can make it disappear as a problem.  The average person can see the ethical and moral fault in this, and that is what truly drives their opinion on this issue.

      There may be some terrorists on these boats, but I suspect it is the prospective Centrelink terrorists on these crafts that Australians fear more.

    • James says:

      08:13am | 05/11/09

      Rudd is kidding himself if he thinks the latest poll is only about the asylum seeker issue. What about the state of our helath and hospitals he was going to fix by 30th June this year? how about indiginious housing? how about the waste of money being plowed into NBN with no financial plan availbale, the building the education revolution projects a completely disorganised mess wasting millions of dollars, computers for every student? where are they? cash handouts to dead people and people not even living in Australia, an environmental disaster off the WA coast where we have hardly heard boo from the Rudd Government about, just a few things off the top of my head. Now add to that his character, self obsessed, egominiac, arrogant, show pony, control freak. spin machine. There is more behind the polls than asylum seekers, don’t kid yourself Mr Rudd.

    • iain forrest says:

      08:18am | 05/11/09

      You know people coming by boat it’s akin to somebody breaking into your home uninvited. Somehow people who arrive with a tourist visa by plane then realise the joint is paradise and want to stay is somehow more palatable. And what annoys me is the costs involved you could probably build a dozen hospital a year with the amount spent on policing by both military and contractors. The recent rescue of the unfortunates off the cocos island involved 8 planes (3 military) some who had to fly 4 hours just to reach the search area. Plus the hundreds of thousands of dollars a day we have to pay the LNG tanker involved in the rescue. Anything we can do to dissuade people trying to arrive by boat is justified. And I think the opposition and media under the Rudd Government have been less vocal than I expected.

    • Kelly says:

      08:43am | 05/11/09

      I think the asylum seeder issue is just the tipping point for this Government. It’s been nearly 2 years and the euphoria of getting rid of Howard is starting to wear off and now Australians are starting to take a closer look at who they have put in as PM, and a lot of us don’t really like what we are beginning to see. We are starting to see through the spin. After 2 years we are seeing broken promise after broken promise and Howard has been gone too long now to keep blaming for everything. and we are sick of hearing about the Opposition and Turnbull.  All eyes are on you now Kevin.

    • lantana says:

      08:54am | 05/11/09

      There are up to 65 million refugees in the world, depending on which advocate NGO you listen to, so claims that we should, or could, take them all are just plain silly.

      The question that should be asked, but isn’t, is why illegal immigrants who are wealthy enough to pay smugglers so they can turn up here unchecked by our immigration officials should get priority over the genuine refugees who are languishing in camps overseas.

      It seems some of the local vocal advocates demanding that the illegals be let in immediately are so emotionally vapid that they think boatloads of young men should take precedence over the far more deserving people who have correctly applied for admission, just because the boats are here.

    • funtime says:

      08:54am | 05/11/09

      It’s pretty simple really.  If you want to keep Australia beautiful, affordable, and with more opportunities for your children in years to come, you need to oppose every single additional human being from overseas.  Every extra head of population is another person competing for living space, resources, and jobs. 

      We have direct evidence from the UK - population growth especially from immigration whether legal or illegal - benefits the rich, and the large corporate owners who get downwards pressure on wages and expanded markets to sell.  The vast majority end up worse off, for employment, housing, social cohesion.

      In Australia, being a tradie gives you a fair standard of living still.  In the UK, due to influxes, no native tradie can gain a living wage any more.

      You’ll feel bad not accepting human beings who are suffering, sure.  But the world is a cruel place - this is a decision where you need to be very clear of the cost to you and your descendants if you allow influxes.

    • Voxpop says:

      09:26am | 05/11/09

      I do think the polls reflect the asylum seeker issue as the other considerations that posters above have alluded to have been available for some time without really affecting the polls - no the hot issue of today is boat people. 

      I’ll go further to say that those opposed to humane efforts for asylum seekers have always felt that way and were always going to be on the coalitions side - nothing changes for them.  However those like myself that have been in favour of Labor are showing dissatifaction over his handling of this issue as we don’t want him to take the same approach as Howard.  And so I think it’s that part of the mix that have changed the numbers but also a sad element of the misinformed and manipulated being swayed by fear.

    • Bob H says:

      09:34am | 05/11/09

      A Vietnemese colleague who had spent 3 years in a Thai refugee camp before getting a place in Australia, hated the way the boat people were jumping the queue.  Unfortunately there are a lot of refugees in camps, the numbers have been built up over the years by a useless UN - fix the UN (or get rid of it) to speed up the process and refugees will feel less of a need to queue jump and queue jumpers can be put back in their rightful order.

    • Carol Lester says:

      09:40am | 05/11/09

      I’m certain that if the media had put more focus on the Rudd Government over past issues as mentioned above instead of putting almost all the focus on Turnbull and the Opposition, Rudds high polling would never have been so high. For the first time since he has been PM he has been put under scrutiny by the media, and hey! guess what! look at the polls!

    • JESUS! says:

      09:56am | 05/11/09

      Sometimes it is just plain embarrassing being an Aussie, a Christian or a Liberal. Again, we see how disgracefully immoral the conservative opposition is in their behavior over Asylum Seekers. The gob smacking opportunism preying on human life like the vultures they are! What shocks me more is the gullibility of the Aussie public and the idiotic support that drives this weakness. It is an embarrassment to say that I once voted for this scum of a coalition, never again will that happen. If a political party is willing to sacrifice innocent human life for the possibility of power, its leaders are the worst of human kind and exposes them for what they truly are, evil. It’s also a pity we don’t have a media that calls a spade a spade and exposes this scum and the ignorant who vote for them for what they are - Neanderthals. The silent hypocrisy of the conservative rightwing religious rump is an insight to these so-called Christians. Their Christ most be the devil himself if his followers are anything to go by.

    • julie says:

      10:07am | 05/11/09

      JESUS, whats that all about? LOL

    • Martin Milne says:

      10:15am | 05/11/09

      What the polls say is that too many ordinary Australians have fallen for the lie that immigration threatens their jobs and their way of life. It’s not the case.

      Evidence from the UK shows that immigrants contribute more in tax than they take in benefits.
      http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs/occ77migrant.pdf

      Australia, more than most, will need their future tax payments to pay for the care of our ageing baby boomers.

      But you can’t really blame people for falling for the lie. The Liberals have played the race card over asylum seekers for years without challenge, except from groups like Amnesty International.

      It’s time the Labor Government went on the offensive and launched a campaign explaining the positive contribution that refugees and immigrants have made and continue to make to Australia.

    • Bill says:

      10:27am | 05/11/09

      Every response to problems face by the government to date has been solved by giving away money, wether it be GFC – Here have $900, Schools have a few lazy Billion etc, you just give people some government money and they are happy.
      With the Ocean Viking, we offered Indonesia lots of money to take the problem away.  Only they part accepted saying fine but you get the people to come here else its illegal.
      Is the Indonesian government less corrupt than the Australian public? Do we have a problem that will take more effort to find solution other that throwing some else’s lent money at it? Will be interesting to see if have a government that can work..

    • Anthony says:

      10:31am | 05/11/09

      I agree with everything you say. What I am perplexed about is the silence from organisations that were very vocal against the Howard government. Unfortunately it shows how politically aligned they are and as a result therapeutically impotent. In the meantime there is a void of people genuinely trying to help these people.

    • Carl Palmer says:

      10:37am | 05/11/09

      Rodger, there are four kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, statistics and your interpretation of the statistics.  I’ve made my points on previous postings so I won’t regurgitate all of them again.

      Simply put – when you left your home this morning you locked and secured your abode. Do the same thing to AND for your country. A firm approach is required one where the leaky boat people smuggling practice is discouraged – ideally stopped. And for completeness, I fully support and expect my government to assist those in REAL need and who are going thru the correct channels.

      The only bit I do agree with is “…governments do have a tendency, despite routine and automatic denials of it, to tailor their policy settings according to the public mood”. That typically happens when the government has a shitty and useless policy. 

      @ JESUS! says: 10:56am | 05/11/09
      As an Australian living in Australia, I have never ever ever met the person you have described. The vast majority of Australians are very reasonable people.

    • H says:

      11:44am | 05/11/09

      Vox Pop is correct in his her summation. The polls reflect 2 things:

      1) The hard right of Australia who was always going to side with the more hard right political party

      2) The left who are dissapointed with Rudd acting like a hard right leader on the issue.

      With the GFC providing a damming commentary on Friedmanomics, Centre Left is in Vogue at the moment. Rudd had the opportunity to talk about refugees eventually become hard working tax paying citizens/residents who are of benefit to Australia, but instead he went “Back to the Future” and pretended to be Howard. In doing this he appealed to aged hard line coalition people who were never going to vote Labor anyway…and alienated the rest of Australia-who are in fact his support.

    • Snowball says:

      01:24pm | 05/11/09

      PUUUUUUUNCH!
      Look at these comments? Are these really the people you’re aiming at? Closed minded people who are reading the Tele and listening to talkback radio and think that is the definitive answer on world news??

    • H says:

      01:39pm | 05/11/09

      Snowball mate, I reckon the punch is becoming ever more populated by political hack staffers from electorate offices. You can tell by the short 2 sentance party line posts rather than an open disclosure of their opinion.

      I reckon often when a pollie or former pollie advisor posts on here, a couple of junior staff from their office get on there and say something like “Yay Kevin” or “Libs the only ones who we can trust of border protection”. The lack of imagination in these postings is pretty frightening as these hacks will be our pollies on both sides of the spectrum in future years.

    • Garry Kingston says:

      01:45pm | 05/11/09

      Snowball - your name says alot about yourself, snowballs fall on the ground and melt.

    • Jenny says:

      01:58pm | 05/11/09

      Oh yes H, political conspiracy’s right here on the Punch LOL

    • H says:

      02:18pm | 05/11/09

      Jenny, conspiracy is too grand a word for it. Just petty hack work from the young Libs and young Labor workers in Pollie’s offices, seriously what normal person do you meet on the street who speaks in political slogans?

    • GaryM says:

      02:40pm | 05/11/09

      Why do people believe an armada is coming - because the only source of information is from media looking to make a story newsworthy for ratings/advertising reasons. Sure we do not have to believe but why should we not for don’t we expect accurate, honest and unbiased reporting?

      I would like to ask these questions…

      1. ‘Are you a refugee if you travel through safe harbours?’
      2. ‘Are you a refugee if you live in another country first for a few years?’
      3. ‘Are you a refugee if you pay criminals to transport you illegally across borders?’
      4.‘Are you a refugee if you say no to being located in a safe country other than the one you wanted?’

      I would also ask why are not these questions being asked?

    • joan says:

      03:20pm | 05/11/09

      HOw about with this debate there is some perspective…..
      in 2007 according to HREOC 6303 people sought asylum in Australia. This compares with 50 700 applications in the United States, 45 600 in South Africa and 36 400 in Sweden. In terms of the number of refugee visas granted, Ethiopia recognised the largest number of their asylum applicants as refugees (19 896), followed by the United States with 17 979, Malaysia with 14 156 and France with 12 928
      So really with these stats maybe we should do a poll on whether we are a nation of whiners!

    • Mark says:

      10:55pm | 05/11/09

      Time to turn back the boats.Tough stance needed.I don’t want the country I love overrun by Srilankans or others who think they can demand to come here without permission. People used to get invited to come to Australia.Those times are gone.Refugees with mobile phones and computers? What a joke .Australian hard earned taxes are going towards feeding these people on the Australian Viking and having a Holiday on Christmas island.Wish I could go to a Beautiful Island! Too much compassion will merely cultivate an unwanted subculture in our beloved country. Bah to the softhearted wimps.Turn them away ,I say. Fortress Australia!

    • Snowball says:

      07:43am | 06/11/09

      Gary Kingston: that’s a strange comment, but it’s my surname actually, not a nickname.

    • Voxpop says:

      09:00am | 06/11/09

      Gary Kingston - snowflakes are the ones that fall to the ground and melt.  A snowball is compacted and can be quite hard when it hits you in the face wink

 

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