When I was 14 I told my mum a shocking lie. I promised her I wouldn’t get my hair permed, then made the hairdresser straighten my new-look locks to conceal the semi-permanent wave.


Why was the lie so shocking? Because I was so easily caught out: the very next morning I emerged from the shower resembling a merino sheep and the gig was up.

We all lie, all the time. Well, not ALL the time. That would be lying. Let’s just say we all lie a lot. In fact, we’re told up to 200 lies every day, according to American social media expert and author of Liespotting, Pamela Meyer.

Mostly, they’re little white porky pies. I have a headache honey. Oh yes, I can see you’ve lost weight. That tripe was divine, what a pity there’s no left-overs.

According to research outlined in Meyer’s book, the average married couple lies in about one in 10 interactions. We lie even more when meeting strangers – around three times in the first 10 minutes.

And teenagers apparently lie in about one in five interactions with their parents. If your teen has told you she’s sleeping at a friend’s place this weekend to do some baking, research world peace and door-knock for charity, it’s probably safe to assume she’s off at Schoolies.

Meyer says lying is one of our most basic instincts, using the example of a gorilla trained in sign language who blamed her pet kitten for ripping a sink off the wall. True story.

Deception is so rife in what’s been termed our “post-truth society” that we’ve become practically ambivalent to it. Nothing really surprises us anymore.

The bigger the lie, the better the jokes. Here’s one that’s been circling the globe in Twittersphere: “Nike dropped Lance Armstrong, but didn’t drop Tiger Woods. So I guess in America you can cheat on your wife, but not on your bike.”

Without lies and drugs, Armstrong might not have achieved global fame, and as a consequence would not have inspired countless cancer victims and raised half a billion dollars for charity (or, incidentally, greatly raised the profile of SA’s own Tour Down Under).

Armstrong’s lies certainly brought the sport of cycling into disrepute, but it could be argued that they ultimately made the world a better place. Does that make them okay?

In the corporate world, where the Livestrong Foundation this week officially removed the tarnished Armstrong brand name from its title, apparently not. But most people I’ve asked still think he’s a champion, and I suppose I’d like to believe it, too.

When it comes to the art of deception, Meyer’s most profound point is this: “Lying is a cooperative act”. Essentially, deception only works when someone else agrees to believe the lie.

That goes for your wide-eyed, nine-year-old twins promising they’ve brushed their teeth; your teenage daughter denying she’s smoking when her clothes reek of cigarette smoke (sorry again mum); former CIA director David Petraeus telling his wife he’s not shagging his biographer.

And yes, it goes for the most horrendous of all lies: the abuse of children and the deception used to cover it up.

Lies lose their comedic value when they cause so much pain and devastation, so I’ll finish on a serious note: the Royal Commission into institutional child sex abuse and systematic efforts to hide evil wrongdoing.

For too long, Australians have asked too few questions about the abuse of children: why it occurs; why perpetrators aren’t brought to justice. As Meyers maintains, lies come undone when we’re courageous enough to have difficult conversations with difficult people.

If we’ve been deceived about institutional child sex abuse, it’s because we’ve let ourselves be deceived. Sometimes, the truth is just too ugly to contemplate.

The Royal Commission isn’t a moment too soon. And for all the victims out there, I sincerely hope your truth will out.

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    • Zac says:

      05:05am | 18/11/12

      Any chance we will know more about Julia’s $5,000 worth of lies? By the way where did that Slater and Gordon files go?

    • Haxton Waag says:

      08:54am | 18/11/12

      The only reason this garbage continues to be discussed is because the Opposition are scrambling for ammo.

    • Tony of Poorakistan says:

      09:25am | 18/11/12

      *cough* carbon tax *cough*

    • Kaiser Sosay says:

      10:03am | 18/11/12

      You conservatives know you’re in trouble when the your number one supporter the Institute of public affairs has this to say.

      “Tony Abbott is going to have to change tack if the Coalition wants to remain competitive at the next election.

      Sure, if an election were held today, the opposition might win it. But an election is probably a year away. Victory requires more than optimism. Ask Mitt Romne”
      y. The Coalition has long believed it can win government on an impressionist platform: a few bold, strong strokes (stop the boats, axe the tax, pay back the debt) that, if voters step back and squint, offer a picture of what an Abbott government might look like. Those strokes are looking worn and colourless.

    • Gregg says:

      10:25am | 18/11/12

      Hey there Haxy
      You ain’t telling porkies again are you?
      ” The only reason this garbage continues to be discussed is because the Opposition are scrambling for ammo. “
      I was picking some of my brazillian cherries the other day and could smell something a bit off and sure enough a little extra sniffing found me a dead rat or small possum or whatever.

      How Julia has behaved when a solicitor and not all that young is some indication of her character, especially when said slush fund as described by Julia used Union Members’ superannuation money to do whatever.
      The opposition are not scrambling for ammo and it was the Kevin Rudd AG who was first pursuing the missing members money event, he losing his position when Julia put Roxon in, so the ammo is there regardless of what Roxon or Paul Howse is doing for his members.

      Sure, questions have been asked of Julia in parliament and more recently by the media and with what is contained in the Vic. government Hansard record, do not be surprised if more gets asked for Julia is not too forthcoming with relevant answers.
      Perhaps it will be more questions to her eventually courtesy of a police enquiries.

      Like Lainie with her teen bad hair day, Julia ought to realise that a completely open and honest revelation may be the better way to go for there is apparently according to Hansard, quite a bit more questionable expenditure in addition to the $5000.

    • Haxton Waag says:

      11:40am | 18/11/12

      @Gregg

      If Julia Gillard turns out to have done something wrong in relation to this slush fund bizzo, on her own head it will be, presumably. I doubt that it ever will come to that. In my view it would be insufficient reason to ditch her as Prime Minister. I would like to see her get one more term, as I think she is doing a decent job. I do not like to think of possible replacements at this point: they give me the willies a bit. Hope you enjoy your Brazilian cherries.

    • Haxton Waag says:

      11:41am | 18/11/12

      @Gregg

      If Julia Gillard turns out to have done something wrong in relation to this slush fund bizzo, on her own head it will be, presumably. I doubt that it ever will come to that. In my view it would be insufficient reason to ditch her as Prime Minister. I would like to see her get one more term, as I think she is doing a decent job. I do not like to think of possible replacements at this point: they give me the willies a bit. Hope you enjoy your Brazilian cherries.

    • PJ says:

      02:59pm | 18/11/12

      Haxton Waag

      I just do not see any positives in the Gillard Government.

      They are inefficient operators of Australia. Everything they do is at greater expense and is paid for by loans, taken out in YOUR name and your CHILDREN’S CHILDREN’s names.

      Once $200 billion was sufficient, then it was $250 billion, now it is $300 billion - but the catch is that the Gillard Labor-Green-independent minority government is spending around $100 billion a year more than in the last Howard-Costello budget.

      Already we have a budget deficit black hole of $120 Billion.

      There are bags and bags of promises that the Gillard Government refuses to say how they are going to pay for them. Is that contempt OK with you? Because I think it’s a disgrace.

      I’m talking about Gronski, NDIS, Asst Child Care, Dental Scheme etc… How are these to be paid? I do not think you, your children and your children’s children have much more credit to be honest.

    • Joe says:

      04:22pm | 18/11/12

      One hundred dollars for roast lamb,ha ha ha.
      Trust me I am Catholic.

    • Haxton Waag says:

      05:04pm | 18/11/12

      @PJ

      The truth is, this is an area in which I require instruction. Happy to learn. smile If you feel like it, you could give me a web link to read. Have a wonderful week.

    • Gregg says:

      05:41am | 18/11/12

      ” The Royal Commission isn’t a moment too soon. And for all the victims out there, I sincerely hope your truth will out. “

      Too true Lainie and look at who was kind of dragged to the pulpitt for the announcement and is there some irony re that person’s statements that have been getting told about her own involvement in some affairs.

      I suppose for not answering a question, the MacQuarie could have another definition.

    • PJ says:

      07:11am | 18/11/12

      Julia Gillards love life would never stand up to the sort of moral views applied by the US public would it?

      Petraeus looks like an Augustine Monk by comparison?

      Good job the Australian public has feral standards.

      Since we are strutinising the lives of Leaders, I’m trying to understand this episode.

      Gillard is ear- marked as one of two future leaders in the Labor Party and is appointed with another, Emerson, to pivotal roles ready for the next big promotion.

      Gillard and Emerson have an affair.

      Gillard takes the promotion? Emerson loses out? Affair ends. Mrs Emerson and kids give up on a re- union idea.

      Is that right? And if so what would a moral American public think of that episode? We’re ok with it obviously.

    • Haxton Waag says:

      08:56am | 18/11/12

      We take far too many Americanisms on as it is. To become a nation of moral hypocrites would be a giant leap too far.

    • Aghast says:

      10:12am | 18/11/12

      @PJ
      Why oh why would you concern yourself with the moral code of the American public????
      Their society is flawed horribly by hypocrisy.They are the richest nation on earth.Their own census confirms that they consider themselves the nation of practicing Christians of the highest order.Yett they ignore the needs of their most disadvantaged.It could be argued they are a society with a dollar and cents morality.Which they disguise behind a facade of Christianity.
      Your obvious concern with other peoples private lives borders on creepy voyeurism.
      Yes we are OK with it obviously.Perhaps you should contemplate a move stateside.

    • Greg in Chengdu says:

      10:15am | 18/11/12

      PJ with Julias past love life, she would never have gotten anywhere near the PMs office if our pollies were held up to the same moral standards as those in America, infact she’d probably never even make the senate. Not just because of her tragic love life that not only included married men but union frraudsters but because Americans like thier leaders to belive in SOMETHING preferably God and Family. All Julia believes in is her right to rule.

    • Haxton Waag says:

      11:49am | 18/11/12

      @Greg in Chengdu

      Julia Gillard also believes in improving the health system, the mental health system, suicide prevention, rural health, sustainable population, keeping cue-jumpers out of the refugee system, improvement in the education sector, taking responsibility for global warming, women’s rights, legal abortion ... in fact she believes in many things.

    • Aux says:

      12:31pm | 18/11/12

      @ Gregg

      Dont worry if and when your beloved tony gets into power the catholic church and its kiddy fiddlers will rule once again.

      Id rather have someone whos had an affair rule this country than someone who supports an organisation that oppresses people and protects rock spiders. I can see which side you represent

    • PJ says:

      02:51pm | 18/11/12

      Haxton Waag

      .......Believes and says anything for a vote,

      ......then retracts if after she’s got it?

      Wilkie Pokie Reforms back flip
      Cash to close Coal Power stations back flip
      Carbon price floor price back flip.

      These cop outs have serious impacts of policies promised.

      Before the May 2011 Budget, the Gillard Government said it recognised Australia’s unemployment was unacceptable, given we had a Mining boom that was the ‘envy of the world’. Yet unemployment was close to the global average at the time.

      So the Gillard Government said; in the budget was a bunch of incentives that would create 500,000 jobs and lower unemployment to an acceptable 4.5%

      Erm, where is it? Can you check under you’re bed? I looked under mine.

      Unemployment is 5.2% No delivery

      What happened between then and now that would destroy 500,000 jobs and a 4.5% unemployment figure? Or did they just talk some caring?

    • Haxton Waag says:

      05:10pm | 18/11/12

      @PJ

      None of that seems any different in degree to what I have been hearing for the last, lo so many years. No Australian government during that time has had the confidence of any more than around half the population at best, and there has always been some “disaster” or other in the offing. Perhaps you will understand if they are beginning to blur into one another in my vision. I know it’s not Australian politics, but perhaps you will enjoy Jon Stewart’s “Chaos on Bullshit Mountain” video, if you have not seen it already.

    • ditch the dino says:

      05:16pm | 18/11/12

      @Aux
      Totally agree.
      Religion has no place in modern politics.
      the radical Catholic Bob Santamaria, who insidiously influenced politics through the DLP, and was loathed by many fellow Catholics because he politicised religion and used fear tactics to siphon Catholics from the ALP into the DLP.
      Cardinal Pell has put more than his 5c worth into the political arena, warning “
      Climate change was a symptom of pagan emptiness” and on a conscience vote overturning state therapeutic cloning said “Catholic politicans who vote for this legislation must realise their vote has consequences for their place in the life of the,church”
      A thinly veiled threat of excommunication, so much for separation of Church and state!
      Both of these men have been extolled by Abbott.

    • Aux says:

      06:04pm | 18/11/12

      @ Dino

      Thats the main reason i dont trust Abbott (I dont trust any of them to be honest but most of all him) - He cant be trusted at all to keep his religious views from making decisions about running our country. He will always enact the will of the church, not all Australians. You only need to look at his behaviour regarding abortion and gay marriage for example to prove that.

      Id go so far as to say that if and when he gets into power, the Royal Commission will either instantly absolve the church of all wrongdoing, or funding will be removed to such an extent that it will no longer be effective. Hes not the honorable man that all the liberal lovers say he is, but a posterboy for Catholicism.

    • Aux says:

      06:05pm | 18/11/12

      @ Dino

      Thats the main reason i dont trust Abbott (I dont trust any of them to be honest but most of all him) - He cant be trusted at all to keep his religious views from making decisions about running our country. He will always enact the will of the church, not all Australians. You only need to look at his behaviour regarding abortion and gay marriage for example to prove that.

      Id go so far as to say that if and when he gets into power, the Royal Commission will either instantly absolve the church of all wrongdoing, or funding will be removed to such an extent that it will no longer be effective. Hes not the honorable man that all the liberal lovers say he is, but a posterboy for Catholicism.

    • cheap white trash says:

      07:18am | 18/11/12

      As i keep telling people,this is Labors new PR and Spin….....

      Julia…It’s not a Lie…..if you believe it….
      It’s right out of the McTernan hand book ‘‘When is a lie not a Lie’‘
      When it comes from the Government.

    • Joan says:

      08:48am | 18/11/12

      In 2012 to lie is synonymous with Julia, talk about lying and Gillards name rolls off more rapidly than anyone can say McTernan.

    • Haxton Waag says:

      08:57am | 18/11/12

      Name me a Prime Minister who never lied.

    • pa_kelvin says:

      12:05pm | 18/11/12

      Haxton…. Even harder, name me a Politician who never lied..

    • jonesy says:

      07:30am | 18/11/12

      The mysogynist Liberals are out and about.

      In their tiny little world the only person responsible for marriage break up etc is the woman.

    • TimB says:

      09:22am | 18/11/12

      Hmm. Can’‘t see where *anyone* said that. Let alone these mysterious ‘mysogynist Liberals’.

      IMO both parties are at fault. And it doesn’t reflect well on either of them as people.

    • marley says:

      09:52am | 18/11/12

      Actually, a feminist would argue that men and women have to take equal responsibility.  So, by feminist standards, Gillard has to take her share of the blame.  To assign lesser responsibility because she’s female would in fact meet the new definition of misogynist in my book.

    • jonesy says:

      11:12am | 18/11/12

      @TimB - selective blindness?  You cant see the comment by PJ?

    • Rose says:

      12:06pm | 18/11/12

      She is assigned lesser responsibility because she didn’t cheat, Emerson allegedly did. However, if he was separated from his wife at the time, as has been regularly stated, then nobody cheated and the whole argument is null and void!!

    • TimB says:

      02:08pm | 18/11/12

      ‘@TimB - selective blindness?  You cant see the comment by PJ? ‘

      I can. And it doesn’t say what you claim it does. Nowhere did he say only Julia was responsible, or that Emerson was not.

    • sd says:

      06:27pm | 18/11/12

      jonesy
      He’s selectively deaf as well.

    • Helt says:

      08:24am | 18/11/12

      @PJ You are wrong! Australia has no standards. Australians are so willing to accept lies as long as its politically suitable to them. Not one Australian I have seen is willing to call a spade a spade and call someone a liar if the lie

      A) makes them have to reconsider a position
      B) proves them right
      C) makes someonne they dislike wrong

      Its at the highest levels of government and our institutions. The police put out dodgy statements about Tasers to cover up killing dark skinned people in the street. Governements fidge statistics and their followers swallow it and repeat the lies so the other side of politics wont stay in. People still spruik the lie over Children Overboard and defend John Howards “No GST under my government” while trying to smash Julia Gillard over the Carbon Tax. Its all semantics but people fight for the lies that they think will gert them ahead and Australians honesty and morals swing in the breeze depending on whats in it for them.

      Australians claim a secular society but then lament the decline in standards of its people. You reap what you sow is quite an appropriate saying here. I say call out the liars when they lie regardless of what political party says them.

      Accept no double standards and maybe the standards will rise

    • Chris L says:

      10:33am | 18/11/12

      I’ve noticed that as well. The lies by one side are intollerable, but if you point out the lies of the other side be ready for some verbal abuse.

      Funny stuff.

    • Helt says:

      08:24am | 18/11/12

      @PJ You are wrong! Australia has no standards. Australians are so willing to accept lies as long as its politically suitable to them. Not one Australian I have seen is willing to call a spade a spade and call someone a liar if the lie

      A) makes them have to reconsider a position
      B) proves them right
      C) makes someonne they dislike wrong

      Its at the highest levels of government and our institutions. The police put out dodgy statements about Tasers to cover up killing dark skinned people in the street. Governements fidge statistics and their followers swallow it and repeat the lies so the other side of politics wont stay in. People still spruik the lie over Children Overboard and defend John Howards “No GST under my government” while trying to smash Julia Gillard over the Carbon Tax. Its all semantics but people fight for the lies that they think will gert them ahead and Australians honesty and morals swing in the breeze depending on whats in it for them.

      Australians claim a secular society but then lament the decline in standards of its people. You reap what you sow is quite an appropriate saying here. I say call out the liars when they lie regardless of what political party says them.

      Accept no double standards and maybe the standards will rise

    • Porra says:

      10:35am | 18/11/12

      Why do you have to makes your comments twice? Come on moderator how about not allowing repeat comments.

    • Stephen says:

      08:41am | 18/11/12

      We’ve turned our backs because we’ve been programmed to the position that religion is unimpeachable, and what happens under its roof stays under its roof.

      Now that we see that it was all just myth and nonsense, and religions are just another loony cult, reality is exposed.

      One can but hope that this contingency will hasten their demise…at least as a closed shop, protected and subsidised organisation.

    • J.T says:

      09:28am | 18/11/12

      The worst kind of lies are the ones that strip individuals of their rights.
      examples include:
      1) Ignoring the correct role of government.
      2) We need cradle to grave government paternalism.
      3) The noble lie: that its ok for governments to lie to its citizens because we could never understand.
      4) Government has all the answers.
      5) Government can or should alter behaviour.
      5)

    • Anyone? says:

      09:35am | 18/11/12

      “Armstrong’s lies certainly brought the sport of cycling into disrepute”

      Lance Armstrong has never tested positive for drugs despite being tested hundreds of times.  NEVER!!!!!

      How can someone be found guilty of doping without ever testing positive?

      Anyone?

    • Seano says:

      11:48am | 18/11/12

      I think a quick google search will reveal that Armstrong failed a number of drug tests.

    • marley says:

      12:02pm | 18/11/12

      Ask Marion Jones. She managed it.  So did George Hincapie.

      BTW, Armstrong has tested positive.  He got around it by backdating a prescription.

    • willie says:

      12:34pm | 18/11/12

      Because people saw him take drugs.
      Eye witness testimony my friend.

      I get drug tested in some of my jobs, never once been caught. By your logic I must never take drugs.

      But really you need to move on. The rest of the world has accepted he was the greatest cheat in the history of sport and its time you did too.

    • Anyone? Anyone at all? says:

      01:32pm | 18/11/12

      If you were pulled over for drink driving, passed the breath test, and the blood sample, but were charged by the cops on the basis of ‘circumstantial evidence’ what would you be thinking and how would you feel?

      Seano
      If a quick search will do it, please point me at one link where it was confirmed that Armstrong tested positive to a WADA test.

      Marley
      In 2006 Marion Jones tested positive for EPO in her A sample.
      People can test positive for opiates in routine drug tests if they take too much cough syrup. Armstrong had an acceptable excuse as determined by the doctor reviewing WADA drug tests.  Doctors review drug tests all the time. If you had done even a basic amount of research, you would know this.

      Blind willie
      See my first comment. You cannot fail a drug test on the basis of hearsay. A quantifiable amount of a prohibited substance must be found by a certified pathology laboratory in order for you to “fail” a drug test.
      Love how you try to put words in my mouth. I don’t know whether you take drugs or not and quite frankly I don’t care. In a work environment the employer has a duty of care to ensure that safety in the workplace is not compromised by people under the influence of certain substances. These substances vary but the main drugs tested for are THC, Cocaine, Methamphetamine, Amphetamine, Opiates and alcohol. The focus of this testing is to ensure that you are not under the psychoactive properties of the drugs while at work. What you do when you are not at work is your own business subject to criminal laws.

    • PJ says:

      03:02pm | 18/11/12

      Take comfort….. there will be no lies in a Government Julia Gillard leads, not if John McTernan can spin it

    • marley says:

      03:38pm | 18/11/12

      @Anyone - first, eyewitness testimony is not “circumstantial” evidence; it is direct evidence and regarded as such in any court.  And it’s better evidence than a string of negative drug tests identical to those achieved by people who have admitted since to taking drugs. 

      Second, the only reason Armstrong had an “acceptable excuse” for testing positive was because he presented a counterfeit document.

      Third, the issue isn’t simply that he was taking drugs himself, but that he was coercing his teammates into taking drugs and organising the availability of those drugs.  There are eyewitness statements and financial records which blatantly contradict statements Armstrong has made under oath.

    • willie says:

      05:41pm | 18/11/12

      “In a work environment the employer has a duty of care to ensure that safety in the workplace is not compromised by people under the influence of certain substances. These substances vary but the main drugs tested for are THC, Cocaine, Methamphetamine, Amphetamine, Opiates and alcohol. The focus of this testing is to ensure that you are not under the psychoactive properties of the drugs while at work.”

      Thank you so much for explaining that. I never understood why i had to piss in a cup before now.

      My point is drug tests can be used to prove guilt but they cant prove innocence. So what if Armstrong hasn’t failed a test it doesn’t prove his innocence.

      “Love how you try to put words in my mouth”
      I’m only applying your logic to another situation to point out its failing.

    • Anyone? Anyone at all? says:

      05:55pm | 18/11/12

      Marley
      first, eyewitness testimony. This is not a court of law.  We are talking about Cycling and WADA testing. The fact that you think hearsay better evidence than a quantifiable result from a drug test I find ridiculous.

      Second, If Armstrong presented a counterfeit document, he would not have been cleared by the governing body of the sport. It is your opinion he presented a counterfeit document, obviously the governing body didn’t have your “expert analysis” and gut feeling to rely on and Armstrong was cleared.

      Third, hearsay seems to be your key position on this matter.

      As I said “If you were pulled over for drink driving, passed the breath test, and the blood sample, but were charged by the cops on the basis of ‘circumstantial evidence’ or hearsay you would walk free if the prosecutor was as naive as you and decided to pursue the matter.

    • Anyone? Anyone at all? says:

      06:34pm | 18/11/12

      willie
      “My point is drug tests can be used to prove guilt but they cant prove innocence. So what if Armstrong hasn’t failed a test it doesn’t prove his innocence. “

      My point is that Armstrong never tested positive for a banned substance. He was tested hundreds of times and didn’t return a confirmed positive test result and still you maintain he’s not innocent.
      There is no arguing with that logic. I’m just glad you aren’t in the judicial system. In the absence of quantifiable evidence, you and marley would take great delight in finding people guilty by your gut feeling.

    • David says:

      11:16am | 18/11/12

      The Royal Commission was announced by Gillard without consultation and is now Roxon’s nightmare.
      Don’t get me wrong - child abuse of any sort is appalling and has to be dealt with under the full force of the law. The RC though has no terms of reference yet. We have no idea what it will cover or who it will cover. There are federal-state issues. There are other legal issues. There is the problem that allegations are not the same thing as evidence.
      The big mistake that was made right from the start was to suggest that victims of abuse might be able to get monetary compensation. If abuse is proven the perpetrators should be punished - and punished severely. The victims need to be offered counselling, psychological support, social network support and any other reasonable support - e.g. assistance finding employment if unemployed. Offering “financial compensation” unfortunately means that some will interpret the caning they received for breaking a window in a fit of temper as sexual abuse. (They may actually genuinely believe that but financial compensation is not the answer to something like that.)
      If Roxon wants to limit the RC in a sensible way she will make it clear that there is no question of financial compensation to the individual - just funds to services to provide assistance.

    • Aux says:

      06:59pm | 18/11/12

      Hitting their bank accounts is about the only way they’ll ever change their ways.. They had 20+ years to fix the problems themselves and instead decided to cover it all up. Just like any other business, they’d care more about their money than their reputation - plus their reputation has likely already been irrepairably damaged to everyone but their hardcore followers.

      Most of these people are probably damaged to the point that medical help wont provide any benefit anymore, at least payment for damages will demonstrate that what they went through cant be denied, and make their lives at least a bit easier, give them a bit of enjoyment that was stolen from them. To deny that is just the church in damage control.

    • freethrow says:

      11:29am | 18/11/12

      “i always tell the truth, even when i lie.” - Tony Montana(also any politician, but they would never say it)

    • Harvey Danger says:

      11:47am | 18/11/12

      We are, by law, required to lie. Political correctness and indeed politics is the art of NOT saying what you really mean. If i were to say “I don’t like Martians because they practice dhimmitude” I would be ridiculed as a racist, even though dhimmitude itself is highly racist concept. I am required to be ‘tolerant’ and say “We are all brothers” EVEN THOUGH I DON’T BELIEVE IT!!! And can be charged with ‘hate crimes’ if i don’t comply. The law states i must lie. The only exception to this is Christians and whites, you can say anything you like about them…in fact your encouraged to.

    • PJ says:

      11:57am | 18/11/12

      Over the past 4 years swan has broken the borrowing ceiling set every years. He has moved the loan figure from 75 to 300 billion dollars in 4 moves.

      Each time he increases the loan figure he always promises he won’t do it again. But he always does.

      Now he’s had to make cuts. Medical was on his list. The consequences of his actions have translated in more human suffering. From the Daily Telegraph:

      “FAMILIES are being forced to sell their homes or raid their superannuation to pay medical bills, with some going bankrupt as Medicare rebates fail to keep pace with inflation and health funds fail to cover all medical charges.

      The financial nightmare has exposed the growing inadequacy of Medicare and health fund rebates and the crippling health costs to those with multiple or serious illnesses.”

    • Snoring Pom says:

      06:00pm | 18/11/12

      Oh my!!!
      Governments borrow money when fending off the affects of the greatest global financial challenge since the great depression and tax receipts collapse.
      Someone wake up PJ van Winkle and tell him he’s been asleep for the better part of a decade.

    • St. Michael says:

      02:09pm | 18/11/12

      “Nike dropped Lance Armstrong, but didn’t drop Tiger Woods. So I guess in America you can cheat on your wife, but not on your bike.”

      In the same vein, Petraeus did not sack himself until he cheated on his wife.  So you can just as easily say that in America, you can cheat on the US government and by extension the American people as a whole, but not on your wife.

    • ramases says:

      05:17pm | 18/11/12

      Yes, I agree that people do lie and often but and a big but we should expect our leaders to at least try to be truthful. We have been subjected to some of the worst lying by this Government than any other I can remember and not only to the people of Australia but also to the people who hold the balance of power which once again shows the lack of morality and credibility in this present parliament.

    • King Tut says:

      05:53pm | 18/11/12

      So ramases, are you really the mummified Egyptian, transported to the afterlife, able to remember none of the Egyptian liars since your demise; but have a vivid recollection of the 21st century politicians? You lie, don’t you. Fess up.

 

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