This one time, on ADFA camp…

Sam says:

09:34pm | 13/04/11

Thats right Sonny, men are obviously stronger than women, so they should be doing all the heavy lifting, construction work, manufacturing etc etc. While women are far more empathetic, team orientated and organised they should take the management and CEO positions.
Yep, the best person for the job :D

Markus says:

07:08pm | 13/04/11

Can’t say I’ve seen a whole lot of guys complaining about no-strings attached sex with young nubile, albeit not particularly clever, members of the opposite sex.

You must be thinking of some other gender.

Chris L says:

06:56pm | 13/04/11

If women want to go to clubs half naked, get plastered then attach themselves to some guy’s face I don’t see how anyone would be surprised that penetration ensues. Are you sure you want women to be treated like dainty butterflies that must be protected from the consequences of their actions? Seems to me like the previous generation of women didn’t appreciate that at all.

Funny.

Erick says:

07:04pm | 13/04/11

@Markus - “Their academy can turn a group of respectable feminist males into these soulless rape-hungry monsters all in the space of 10 weeks!”

I never thought of it that way. Where can I learn these awesome training techniques?

Markus says:

04:59pm | 13/04/11

And are so efficient, their academy can turn a group of respectable feminist males into these soulless rape-hungry monsters all in the space of 10 weeks!

TheRealDave says:

03:59pm | 13/04/11

Surely you jest Markus? According the the ‘Meeja’ its only ‘ADF Culture’ that turns our frightfully naive young men into women beating rapists?!?!

Markus says:

03:47pm | 13/04/11

I attended what would be considered one of the most liberal and progressive universities in the country.
Campus had/has a field affectionately referred to by students as ‘Rape Oval’.
Pretty sure these ADFA incidents are no more or less prolific than in any other area of our society.

TracyH says:

02:23pm | 13/04/11

Evan…I insist on an apology to all animals NOW

Sheridan says:

11:03am | 14/04/11

I’m not suggesting that the men should be let off because they shouldn’t but she will be and that’s wrong.. She broke rules too and in the ADF if you can’t follow rules or orders then you SHOULD be in another job where people’s lives don’t depend on you..

Violetta says:

08:40am | 14/04/11

Sorry Dave, there is no “card” she IS a victim, would you want anyone doing what they did to her, to any female relative of yours? And then when she speaks up about what happened to be told she is playing the “victim card” as if she is not entitled to feel violated?
Violated not just in an intimate way but by a fellow cadet she should have been able to trust. I think this logic is a little unfair to keep trying to put it all on her.
I am not saying they should all not be punished, i feel they should, including her, but don’t forget that what they did to her was a major violation of trust.

TheRealDave says:

04:09pm | 13/04/11

Hang on a sec, I don’t think anyone is saying the male cadets should not be punished, they bloody well should. What they did was insulting, stupid and juvenile and definitely unbecoming of a future Military Leader. Punt them all….but the shiela involved also needs to be accountable for her actions and what she did consent to. Being Absent Without Leave, Drinking and Fraternisation. The Skype call and videoing of their tryst is irrelevant to what she did consent to. But like I said, the main perpetrator should be definitely arseholed out. No ifs and or buts. The other 6 should get a reprimand as should the shiela involved. But if they punt all 7 blokes then she should be punted as well. She shouldn’t be given a get out of gaol free card simply because he turned his webcam on for his mates to watch.

Does her drinking, fraternisation and being AWL rank as lesser than 6 blokes watching a Skype telecast? Greater? The same?

The cynic in me suggests she went to the media deliberately because she knew she was up shit creek for w3hat she did consent to and went for the pre-emptive strike and ‘victim’ card.

marley says:

01:14pm | 13/04/11

Maybe she should find a job in retail.  But the male cadet broke the same rules, plus, potentially, a law or two, so he ought to be there selling shoes right beside her.  What makes him any more reliable and trustworthy than her?  I’d say, of the pair, she comes out of it better than he does- she’s not the one who thinks the term “mateship” includes betraying the privacy of your fellow cadets.

Violetta says:

01:14pm | 13/04/11

I think you’re forgetting that the young man also broke those same fraternization rules and those drinking rules as well. Not taking sides just saying both of them broke the rules. I think you are unfairly trying to paint her as undependable when clearly the man involved broke those same rules, so by your logic he should also be undependable.

James1 says:

04:10pm | 13/04/11

Popcorn was particularly entertaining.

TracyH says:

03:34pm | 13/04/11

Yes James1 I do…after years of toeing the PC line it’s nice to watch male characters make complete arses of themselves. I mostly love the bludging brother’s character…he epitomizes the PC brigade in so many ways, in my distorted opinion…so righteous yet such a bludger…reminds me of the greens party.
I also laugh my head off reading Ben Elton books .

James1 says:

02:26pm | 13/04/11

You laugh at Two and a Half Men?

Ew.  I need a shower.

Tim says:

12:16pm | 13/04/11

Um,
so what you’re saying is the ADF should have treated the person(s) involved as guilty until proven innocent?
Don’t worry about establishing any facts, the media has already done that for them.
Rigggghhhttt.

The ADF called in the AFP who are investigating.
No doubt when the time comes those involved will be asked to show cause why they shouldn’t be booted…....and then they will be booted.
Until then, we have idiots making wild assumptions that those in the ADF have done something wrong.

BK says:

12:01pm | 13/04/11

Every time the douchebag gets the girl a whole lot of other guys sit back and think “why bother being nice.” The publicity given to this incident will only make it worse. This isn’t the media influencing people. It is stupid women making stupid choices.

Walt says:

09:01am | 14/04/11

Hi Lee, my point was why is someone clever enough to have a doctorate still dabbling in frankly immature and embarrassingly idealistic ideas. I’m actually very impressed by his bio, but it seems out of kilter with his world view.

Lee says:

07:02am | 14/04/11

Wow- someone thinks its ok to insult someone based on a bio dont they? Great contribution to the argument.

Tim says:

01:40pm | 13/04/11

Neffa,
are you Freaking serious???
Firstly, the man involved in this didn’t Lure anybody into anything. Both the boy and the girl had organised an illicit casual sexual relationship against military rules. They both consented. The dirtbag then filmed an encounter to his equally dead shit mates.
These boys at ADFA have been absolutely pilloried in the media. They will be booted out of ADFA in short time and will have rightfully lost their careers in the military. Note these men apparently haven’t actually broken any laws.

The St Kilda girl has broken many laws repeatedly, lied about her issue constantly and yet still has most media outlets potraying her as a poor victim of evil menz even though she hadn’t even met most of the guys she was attacking and embarassing.
All because a guy broke up with her.
Please get some perspective.

So true! says:

01:30pm | 13/04/11

@NEFFA: the AFDA cadets are not absolved of guilt; charges are pending and they will be dealt with accordingly. The Minister was out of line by jumping the gun.

Believe it or not, in our society we are innocent till proven guilty through a fair trial. It’s trial by ill informed media that twists facts and condemns people before they’ve had a chance to defend themselves and the result is people like you, who bark up the wrong tree and don’t have a clue about the truth.

As for the St Kilda girl, she hasn’t been torn to shreds at all. In fact, she has received overwhelming support by the AFL. If she were a male, she would have been prosecuted.

Matthew says:

01:25pm | 13/04/11

NEFFA, I don’t disagree with you, but she too was in breach of ADF rules.  They are on duty members of the ADF and therefore should not be having sex.  Just remember, she broke the rules as well (even if they are rules that are likely broken by every member of ADFA).

NEFFA says:

12:51pm | 13/04/11

@ So true - you must be trolling.
it men who are always blameless as this article states. this man lured a women into a sexual relationship under pretence of a relationship, filmed the act and shared it with his mates, but its not his fault “American pie made him do it. “

This bloke did almost exactly what the st kilda girl did, yet she has been torn to shreds and these poor young boys at ADFA are completely absolved of all guilt. some on this thread are even trying, hard as they may to blame the girl involved, as if its her fault this man filmed her having sex.

So true! says:

12:17pm | 13/04/11

Ha ha ha so true! It seems if you have a uterus these days you are not responsible for your own actions and you automatically qualify as a victim that needs to be wrapped in cotton wool regardless of what law you’ve broken or people you’ve hurt.

John says:

07:10pm | 13/04/11

It’s about dividing and Conquering. The leftist movement in the west who were born from radical Marxism started the oppressed class list in 1960’s. It was blacks, women, homosexuals, lesbians, atheists. The oppressors were of cause white society, white men, the church, christianity(Critical Theory doing it’s work). They basically brainwashed the minority’s and so called oppressed class’s into the marxist movement then brainwashed the oppressors to the cause and to also feel guilt! Today we have hundreds and thousands of youth who follow the marxist bandwagon like lemmings. I wonder if these youth will be the ones marching the oppressing bourgeoisie Christians to the gulags. Will we have a repeat of Communist Russia in the west? Atheism is a dangerous ideology and a perfect example is Communist Russia.

Pete says:

04:53pm | 13/04/11

Tim, you sound like one of those deadshits that you talk about.

St. Michael says:

03:22pm | 13/04/11

@ TheRealDave: ... although to be fair there’s some doubts about the supposed “prostate epidemic”.  They estimate almost 80-90% of men will have prostate cancer by the time they’re 75-80, it’s just that a substantial portion of it is non-invasive or slow-developing and in most cases it’s not the prostate cancer that kills the bloke.

And the test for prostate cancer is, shall we say, a lot more interesting than the check for breast cancer.

TheRealDave says:

02:44pm | 13/04/11

SOME men abuse SOME women. SOME Women abuse SOME Men.

Its just that SOME Women have a far better advertising arm….

Its a bit like SOME Women will get Breast Cancer and die from that horrible disease, but a LOT of men will get Prostate Cancer but not ALL of them die from it.

Its all about advertising and the Women’s lobbies have the corner on it.

Tubesteak says:

02:35pm | 13/04/11

“Women are objectified and used and abused by men for sexual gratification.”

Have a look at women these days. If you want to do more to them than the above then you must be one sad and desperate loser trying to seek approval and validation because you spend your nights going home alone because you can’t pick up.

Maybe if women conducted themselves in a manner deserving of respect then they would earn it and be worthy of it.

Markus says:

01:21pm | 13/04/11

Home and Away should be criticised for portraying real life (in this case at least), and providing women with what they want to see?

Good luck getting women to boycott bad boys. That’s like asking men to boycott physically attractive women.

BK says:

12:06pm | 13/04/11

The show that should get criticised is Home and Away, where a female character is having an idiotic fling with bad boy/absolute tosser. Yes, there are men with appalling attitudes and yes, women should boycott them.

Bev says:

12:04pm | 13/04/11

Simo says:10:42am | 13/04/11

Stop and look around and listen to the conversations in the bar and on the playing field. i am not wrong in saying this.

And women dont?  A group of women conversing together can be and is quite often disparaging of their men folk and sexism is rife it would make your hair curl!

Sad Sad Reality says:

11:46am | 13/04/11

Simo, most women will leave if you don’t mistreat them just right. I’ve lost count of the amount of women who have pulled me aside in a nightclub to demand that I take them back to my place and mistreat their brains out.

Funnily ENOUGH none of them ever objected to me treating them as objects. They in fact angrily demanded it with sweat draining down their pretty little faces. Who am I to deny them? I love women.

Tim says:

11:31am | 13/04/11

What is specifically wrong with treating a woman like an object if the woman doesn’t object and allows herself to be treated that way?
Free will, choice and all that.
And using a woman for sexual gratification is not abuse. Women have sex drives too you know.

Sure in an ideal world everyone would treat everyone else with the upmost respect but we don’t live in an ideal world, so we have to realise that people get treated how they allow other people to treat them.

Some men treat women with disrespect because they can and it works.
If more women took responsibility for their own choices and respected themselves more then maybe some of the deadshits who treat women poorly would have to change their ways.

Erick says:

11:21am | 13/04/11

Speak for yourself, Simo. “We” men have not mistreated women.

Some men have mistreated some women. Some women have mistreated some men. It pretty much balances out in the end on that level.

But the media, and commenters such as yourself, only see half the picture. They see men mistreating women, and ignore the reverse. Thus we have a society in which men’s misbehaviour is wildly exaggerated, while women’s misbehaviour is ignored or excused.

Look around you and see the other half of the story.

Markus says:

01:51pm | 13/04/11

It doesn’t relate to you, therefore it must not be true, eh KH?

Markus says:

01:48pm | 13/04/11

Last I checked gay sex is not a criminal act considered more heinous than murder, that we have entire ogranisations and taxpayer funded government areas aiming to eliminate from our society.

Surely you can see the difference between the two, and find the result of that study at least a little disturbing?

KH says:

01:09pm | 13/04/11

Cloud Strife - er the key word is actually ‘majority’ - I don’t know any women who have these ‘fantasies’.

Cloud Strife says:

12:08pm | 13/04/11

“The majority of women also have rape fantasies…”

The key word you seem to be missing here is FANTASY. Lots of people have sexual fantasies about things they would never really want to experience - the majority of men have gay fantasies, did you know?

There’s a phrase I think you should learn - “Your Kink is Not My Kink and That’s OK”

Tom says:

10:57am | 13/04/11

Any credible research to back up your assertion on “most Googled”?
Or are you expecting the benefit of the doubt because you are a woman asserting the fundamental tenet of women’s victimhood?

gman says:

10:03am | 13/04/11

Love your first paragraph

However the second one is drawing a bit of a long bow. I’ve had numerous partners that have enjoyed domination roleplay. I would argue that fetishes (which that particular genre of pornography is) are psychologically hard-wired rather than culturally conditioned. Furthermore, I doubt there are many parents out there that would be ‘relentlessly drumming’ that type of material into a childs mind.

Canuck Lover says:

09:19pm | 13/04/11

@Kika, I’m with you. There are few mature Australian males. So many, including many who contribute to the comments here, just sound like they want to be looked after by another momma, who’ll cook and clean for them.
Thank god for the rest of the western world where there are males grow up to be men and wish to for a partnership… not ownership.

Kika says:

04:58pm | 13/04/11

When did I say I hate all men in this country? I said most of the Australian men I’ve met (and obviously I haven’t met all 10 million or so of you) don’t seem to be mature, responsible and ready to accept things like being a patriarch.  I have been around Australian men my whole life, and made conscious choice to marry a man who wasn’t Australian. He provides for me, cares for me, cares for my happiness which in my previous experience with Australian men was seriously lacking.

If Aussie men WERE truly patriarchal (and didn’t just leave their wives to look after everything for them - including the house & kids) and actually took care of your families, women and children and accepted responsibility for them then you wouldn’t end up losing everything. It goes to the woman in our culture because they are the ones, albeit most of the time not all of the time, who are holding the families together.  Makes sense doesn’t it.

Markus says:

03:05pm | 13/04/11

So Kika, you’d love to be a 1950’s housewife who cooks and cleans for her husband, if only for the fact that you hate all men in this country?

I think you’ll find men in other cultures are more than happy to accept the role of ‘patriarch’ because in their culture doing so doesn’t result in them losing half their possessions, custody of their children and land them in jail!

Kika says:

02:18pm | 13/04/11

Not just public education - everyone. We allow men to grow up to be rapscallions and women to be the servants of them (when the rapscallions finally decide to settle down). HENCE the negative image men have towards women as being controlling biarches. We are suppressing men’s natural instinct to be juveniles for as long as they possible can.

Men in a lot of other cultures are more than happy to accept the role as being patriarchs and are able to take care of their women, children and families and accept their role as being good men. In my personal experience, not many Australian men would come close to that.

Tubesteak says:

02:18pm | 13/04/11

South Park blamed it all on alien wizards. They must be right!

Jedi_T says:

01:31pm | 13/04/11

That would be the smartest thing I think you’ve ever said acotrel.

VVS says:

12:10pm | 13/04/11

I blame Workchoices

NEFFA says:

11:46am | 13/04/11

seems everyone and everything is to blame, except those involved.

SalC says:

11:30am | 13/04/11

Acotrel, couldn’t have put it better myself.

Super D says:

09:22am | 13/04/11

Yes we are all agreed that Public education is to blame.

Audra Blue says:

12:48pm | 13/04/11

Wedding Crashers is a mildly funny comedy.  I wouldn’t go reading too much into it.  It’s funny because it doesn’t reflect real life.  How many wedding crashers do you know?  Exactly.  I thought it was a little bit of karma when Vince Vaughn’s character gets the psycho girl in the end because she’s exactly the kind of person he didn’t WANT.  Turns out she’s exactly the kind of person he NEEDED.

Not saying there aren’t women in the world unlike that (I know one personally).  But movies tend to reflect what’s already happening in life.  Not the other way around.  Where else would the artistes get their inspiration from?

TheRealDave says:

10:49am | 13/04/11

I thought it was a documentary.

And if you don’t jump through enough hoops they grab a handily available flute…..

Erick says:

07:00pm | 13/04/11

@Chris L, not only has that line been used on me before - as have most of the other personal attacks - these feminist shaming tactics are so common that they even have an official catalogue.

@Missy - see link above.

Bev says:

05:34pm | 13/04/11

Kevin says:12:43pm | 13/04/11

@ Eric and Bev.
It must be so hard being a middle class white male in an affluent western nation.  I think I’ll start up a charity for people who, like you, find themselves in such an unfortunate position.

It is not a good idea to jump to conclusions about people’s identity based on what they write here.
The same as it is not a good idea to swallow the feminist propaganda hook line and sinker and not look behind the curtain.  Then again I guess you don’t have time when you busy mounting your white charger to go slay dragons,  oops misogynistic men and rescue all those damsels in supposed distress.  Is it a good ego massage to make you feel “manly”?

Missy says:

04:44pm | 13/04/11

Its apparent you not only do not have a rational and logical mind, you nit pick on choice morsels to ‘prove’ some irrelevant point.

Have you travelled out of Australia?
“Feminists” declared war on men “50 years ago”.

That’s made me laugh. You are either young (in your twenties) or quite old (over 40s), as your words are incredibly ignorant.

So you wish for a time in Australia when women could not vote, who could not say no to her husband if he decided to force himself upon her (she may be his wife, but he has no right to force himself upon her if she says no. That’s why language was developed by human beings - COMMUNICATION.), could not even open a bank account without the permission of her husband, nor defend herself from an abusive husband.

Bravo for you. Perhaps Australia is not the place for you. There are places where women are servants and chattel to your whims and sexual desires - its called Saudi Arabia and I suspect you will absolutely love it there.

You can send everyone a postcard!

mike j says:

04:26pm | 13/04/11

Not necessarily, Chris L. In my experience, that kind of off-topic ad hominem is the pinnacle of feminist debate.

Tim says:

04:20pm | 13/04/11

Kevin,
i hate when anyone plays the victim card.
I’m more about everyone taking responsibility for their own actions without trying to blame others for their own bad decisions.
And if you honestly believe that middle class white women in an affluent western nation have it tough then you are completely deluded.

Chris L says:

03:57pm | 13/04/11

E must be new here if she thinks no-one has used that line against Erick before.

Kevin says:

03:48pm | 13/04/11

@Tim
Actually, what makes me laugh is that you can play the victim card while maintaining a smug and superior attitude.
And, no, my statement doesn’t work exactly as well for middle class white women.  Keep trying.

E says:

03:20pm | 13/04/11

Erik, I feel so sorry for you. Your comments reveal far more about you than about the inherrent inequality in social depictions of gender (whether they favour males or females).
Clearly, Erik, you have a deep seated hatred of women, probably based on either past terribly bad experiences with a woman, probably your mum, or repressed homosexual urges.
so sad. get help. Stop taking it out on us.

John says:

02:49pm | 13/04/11

Erik for once I dont agree with you. The article is pointing out how the society is acceptable of these ideals only when they are from tv shows but do not accept it when it happens in this case the ADF. I have nited this as well in my arguement but even can go further in regards to the fb scandal about ADF soldiers been racist. Look at the movies that these men would of watched. Jarhead, Three Kings, Hurt Lockyer, Black Hawk Down etc etc. All these movies have one thing in common, they are about soldiers and they refer to middle eastern ppl as rag heads and somalians as skinnies yet no media or govt or even society has stated this as incorrect or racist.

Militant Femanist says:

02:32pm | 13/04/11

That’s right Erick, lets stop the media from showing programs which depict men raping women. For once I’m with you and it sounds like you agree with the article, with the acknoledgement that it doesn’t stop when you turn off the TV.

Stop representing and showing men abusing and objectifying women everywhere

Kika says:

02:11pm | 13/04/11

Erick, perhaps the misandry is a result OF the misogyny. What came first - the chicken or the egg? It’s a never ending enigma.

The debate is as old as the hills - my group vs your group, Adam & Eve. Who was to blame? Eve? Adam was also with Eve when tempted by the devil who also partook in the eating of the forbidden fruit - so why does Eve got all the wrap?

Who cares. The fact is SOME men are misogynists, SOME women are feminisist, some men rape, some women rape, some men kill, some women kill… but the stats are well against the men in the violent crime stats Erick. Once the stats start evening out that women commit as many murders as men, then you’ll have a point on that one.

Can I please add I am not a feminist. I curse them everyday of my life when I get up at 5.30am to go to work. My dream is to be a 1950’s housewife. I’d love for my job to be to cook and clean and take care of my house and make sure I look good for my husband when he gets home. But alas, the feminists have ruined this and we all get paid so it’s no longer affordable for me to stay at home… :-(

marley says:

01:11pm | 13/04/11

Sorry Erick, but the issue isn’t the sexual encounter - that was against the rules, and both parties should have had to face whatever punishment there is for fraternization.  But once the young idiot went the extra step and broadcast the sexual encounter to his pals, unbeknownst to his sexual partner, he moved way beyond a “minor prank.” 

And frankly, I wouldn’t care whether the perpetrator were male or female - the betrayal of privacy is appalling and deserves punishment.

mike j says:

12:53pm | 13/04/11

Helen and Cloud Strife, males don’t come to be successful writers, or the heads of production companies and TV networks, by merely flogging their own interests. I know it’s difficult for some women to understand that every action doesn’t necessarily have a self-serving ulterior motive, but we don’t live in North Korea, so we can largely choose the entertainment media we consume. As such, supply is tailored to meet demand.

Welcome to reality. When women stop judging other women on what their arses looks like, and equating their own self-worth with the man they’re dating, the supply of entertainment media will adapt to reflect this. Look at Sex in the City. Clearly a show made specifically for women, and all they do is talk about men and fashion. Why? THAT’S ALL MOST WOMEN CARE ABOUT.

So does that pass the Bechdel Movie Test? More to the point, who the hell cares about the Bechdel Movie Test?

Tim says:

12:53pm | 13/04/11

Kevin,
the funny thing is your statement works exactly as well for middle class white women in an affluent western nation.
The obvious difference being that there ARE charities designed for these women and we are constantly reminded how hard they have it.
I’m sure you laugh at this the same way I do.

Kevin says:

12:43pm | 13/04/11

@ Eric and Bev.
It must be so hard being a middle class white male in an affluent western nation.  I think I’ll start up a charity for people who, like you, find themselves in such an unfortunate position.

Erick says:

11:43am | 13/04/11

@Missy - “We have turned it into ‘men vs women’ when it isn’t like that at all.”

It is exactly like that, ever since feminists declared war on men fifty years ago. Now our society is beginning to tear itself apart. Good work, feminists.

Bev says:

11:42am | 13/04/11

Cloud Strife says:09:16am | 13/04/11

Who do you think makes these shows, Erick? Writes, produces, edits etc?
It’s MEN! So maybe you should be blaming us blokes for our portrayal in the media than your usual women blaming clap trap

Yes they are catering to women who spend the largest slice of disposible income.  However it does seem to be backfiring.  Take the latest KFC ad where the men are playng table tennis in the dark with night vision goggles.  She snaps on the light and comes across as intolerant and selfish.  How dare they not realise she is home and haven’t fawned all over her like slavering puppy dogs.

Bev says:

11:27am | 13/04/11

Kevin says:07:51am | 13/04/11

Usual “anti-feminist” tripe from Eric. 
“We have men depicted as rapists, as cold-hearted exploiters, as villains and killers and criminals.”  This isn’t the same as depicting all men as rapists etc
This however is exactly what feminists do.  They take the sins of the few and portray that as the nature of all men.  Never heard the expression “All men are rapists”?

Missy says:

11:24am | 13/04/11

@ Erick,

Really?

How convenient to pile everything and anything with the word ‘woman/women’  on ‘feminism’ just so that you don’t have to answer the question nor confront the reality.

We have turned it into ‘men vs women’ when it isn’t like that at all.
We’re talking about fairness and equal opportunity for all under the common law.

So, why have you not mentioned how television portrays women as ‘seducers, sluts and b!tches’?

We are talking about a warped and distorted media culture that perpetuates negative stereotypes about both sexes in the extreme, not to mention glorifies negatives of humanity as something desireable, must-have and ‘cool’.
Since when was murder, promiscuous sex, rape, illteracy, or corrupted, educated people ‘cool’? Or the concepts of violent revenge turned into something justifiable?

Sure, they are ‘just’ television programs.
But back then, television had far more meaning than today. Its just sensationalised crap today.

Five women posing in front of the Notre Dame Cathedral to protest the niqab in France and suddenly its a ‘riot’. The crowd of reporters, cameramen, journalists vying with one another to snap pictures and write captions of the “massive” outrage following the ban.

There is discrimination against MEN AND WOMEN in the workplace. Its so easy to victimise yourself. But to me it just shows the culture of victimisation which has plagued our society.
Everyone wants to have their cake and eat it too, no one wants to give and take, no one wants to help their community flourish and thrive in a positive and supportive environment.

Everyone is so enamoured with their own validations of what they ought to receive they turn it into some simplistic bloodbath of the sexes.

Grow up, Erick, your sense of self entitlement while just sitting and whinging about how the female sex is screwing you and all of mankind together is embarrassing and silly.

Bev says:

11:23am | 13/04/11

I challenge anyone to point out one ad that does not portray men in a bad light, as bumbling idiots or immature little boys (ads by screeching carpet salesmen etc dont count).  Otherwise Erik can rest his case.

Erick is on the money says:

11:09am | 13/04/11

Yet again, Erick, is spot on! Misandry is far more prevalent in the media. It seems in today’s society, if you have a uterus, you are not accountable.

Cloud Strife says:

09:16am | 13/04/11

Who do you think makes these shows, Erick? Writes, produces, edits etc?
It’s MEN! So maybe you should be blaming us blokes for our portrayal in the media than your usual women blaming clap trap.

Erick says:

08:56am | 13/04/11

Actually, Marley, this specific incident does show the misandrist nature of society. A minor prank in which all parties broke the rules has resulted in a huge national scandal and six inquiries because a woman was the victim. The men involved will all be punished severely, while the Minister has demanded that charges be dropped against the female.

Media uproar condemns masculinity and the military, and we get articles like this. All in all, the reaction shows that woen are valued far more highly than men in our society.

Also, in regard to TV, I should mention that violence by women against men, such as slaps to the face or kicks to the groin, is considered hilarious and is a comedy staple. However, violence by men against women is never, ever funny.

Tubesteak says:

08:46am | 13/04/11

Well said, Erick.

The only people that have a “casual disregard for female character and humanity” are women. They are the ones that set their value in the marketplace. They are the ones that choose their actions. They are the ones that hand it out like tictacs. They are the ones that are so utterly devoid of personality that they have become a bland melange virtually indistinguishable from each other.

You can’t blame men for cherry-picking what they like from it and doing whatever suits them.

marley says:

08:35am | 13/04/11

Well, Eric, to be fair, the specific incident in question hardly involves guys suffering from the misandrist nature of society.  Quite the reverse, in fact.

Chris L says:

08:35am | 13/04/11

Indeed, once again we see that female sexuality = good, and male sexuality = bad. We should all hang our heads in shame whenever we’re aroused.

Phil says:

08:34am | 13/04/11

Some mothers do av em.
Mr Bean
National Lampoons
Im out of my league
Seriously the author needs to get a life. Yes some men treat women badly that is a fact. Yes some women treat men badly, again fact. How this relates to the ADF example is beyond me. Bringing in film and television and saying that this eggs them on, come on.

Most young males do at some point get up to no good, but watching you mate/friend fellow soldier horizontal folk dance was never one for us and we did some things as a father of 2 daughters I am not proud of, but none were illegal, well pranks that is.

Helen says:

08:27am | 13/04/11

What’s the matter Erick, not first today? You’re slipping!

If you’re not happy with the portrayal of men in advertising and TV you might just like to contact the male-dominated production and administrative sections of the networks which produce them!

Kevin says:

07:51am | 13/04/11

Usual “anti-feminist” tripe from Eric. 
“We have men depicted as rapists, as cold-hearted exploiters, as villains and killers and criminals.”  This isn’t the same as depicting all men as rapists etc., and it reflects the fact that the overwhelming majority of rapists and murderers are men.  Unlike you, I prefer my crime shows to bear some relation to reality.
Having said that, the above article isn’t much better.

Kika says:

02:05pm | 13/04/11

Missed the point Rose. He was saying that the misogynising of women isn’t confined within the ranks - it’s across our culture whether it’s direct or indirect. Culture is only magnified within very close circles - like the defence force or schools or jails etc. Whenever people associate together in very small groups and very close knit environments the nuances of culture are even more apparent than otherwise.

TheRealDave says:

10:47am | 13/04/11

Jeabus Rose, you really missed the point of the article didn’t you?

The author is saying, what most people have been saying for a week now, the perpetrators of the ADF Skype Scandal were influenced far more by modern society and the crap being thrown out by the media, movies, TV, advertising etc rather than their brief link with the ADF itself.

The author was not even remotely condoning rape, in any form, he was merely pointing out how Hollywood makes it funny or acts of bastardy consequence free.

Have another read after having your coffee.

jag says:

09:56am | 13/04/11

Wow! Complete logic fail.

ZSRenn says:

08:26am | 13/04/11

Rose, you like all the other early posters today (Including Erick) just don’t get it do you?

The author is far from justifying these actions he is saying that these actions have been brought about because of the moral decay in our society with the proliferation of them in our main stream entertainment and press.

Rather than ranting and raving at the ADF we should be ranting and raving at FOX, Warner Bros MTV and any other entertainment conglomerate that depicts the female as a sex object in the many countless examples of day to day viewing.

The guys are guilty no doubt but when young men and women are fed shit on a daily basis the only output you can possibly get is more shit!

Further it is then those conglomerates which also hold shares in the press that then make more profit selling the stories of the lives of young men and women destroyed in their newspaper holdings.

Win! Win! for the media bosses but at a sad and terrible loss for the future of young Australians.

Helen says:

08:23am | 13/04/11

Reading comprehension fail.
Read the article again, this time *after* your morning coffee.

Tigger says:

02:44pm | 13/04/11

So the article says that women should not be portrayed as just eye candy. And Sarah’s comment is the first response. Life imitating art I guess…

James1 says:

02:16pm | 13/04/11

I agree with Sally.  ANSUS is rubbish.  Let’s stick with ANZUS instead.

Erick says:

12:57pm | 13/04/11

Thank you, Kevin, for a fine example of the discrimination men face in society and the media today.

Phill says:

11:37am | 13/04/11

Sunshine, lollipops and rainbows everywhere….......

CJ Morgan says:

11:32am | 13/04/11

” I dont want to be an Aunty Sally Straw troll here”.

ICB, troll.  That’s exactly what you want to be.

Sarah lives with the fairies says:

11:06am | 13/04/11

You are lucky many brave men died so you have a right to speak freely.

mw says:

10:27am | 13/04/11

Super D: The ANZUS treating is the what’s stopping the unicorns from returning. And when they come back to us they will bring with them the dawn of eternal peace and harmony…

PClayton says:

09:59am | 13/04/11

Sarah Bath, are you really so stupid?
Nah, you are a bloke pretending to be a woman. Please?

iansand says:

08:16am | 13/04/11

Has Erick had a sex change?

Super D says:

07:24am | 13/04/11

I’m not sure how abandoning the ANZUS treaty - which is a 3-way defense pact between the US, Australia and New Zealand would stop us needing to have wars?  Sure it would likely constrain our ability to defend our nation but this is different to stopping wars.  Indeed scrapping our defense budget and directing the proceeds to renewable energy would on the surface seem like a great idea but who would stop another country coming and stealing all our renewable energy - particularly now that we don’t have the ANZUS defense pact as a backup.

Do the discussions at your Fitzroy meetings even approach this sort of admittedly shallow analysis or is the agreeable nodding simply so furious that the meeting looks like a heavy metal concert with the sound on mute?

Jedi_T says:

07:05am | 13/04/11

LMAO
Your ignorance of human nature and behaviour is astounding, you couldnt even relate your ranting to the article.
As for the article, I think Kit that you are looking of a symptom of a much larger problem and trying to pass it off as the problem itself. I agree with Rose that its fictional not reality, and those that cannot tell the difference are obviously suffering from much deeper problems.