It is Tony Abbott’s 93rd day as Leader of the Liberal Party and he’s being cheered as a hero. He’s just arrived at the Mosman RSL, one of the few affordable venues in the richest suburb on Sydney’s ultra-conservative North Shore, and the member for Warringah is not among friends but fanatics.

Right behind you: Howard says Abbott's self-deprecation is a weapon against Rudd

If Abbott is trying to argue that it’s a marathon not a sprint, and that the party has a lot of work to do ahead of polling day, tonight is not the night for such dispassionate political cliché. It feels like a dress rehearsal for a victory party.

Every single person that I speak to on the night not only believes that the Libs can win, many are saying they will win.

It’s been an unusual week. Buoyed by the humiliation of Kevin Rudd over the insulation scandal, the Opposition Leader headed bush on the last such trip he will take before the election, and what for one tragicomic moment looked like the last trip he would ever take anywhere as his party got lost for five hours in the middle of nowhere.

Friday has been more sedate, at least by Abbott’s standards. There were no quad bikes or out of control road trains, but he did start the day by walking 30km from Palm Beach to Balmoral to raise funds for charity. Now, he’s walking up the turquoise-carpeted stairs at the Mosman RSL, past the house band playing Dancing Queen, past a framed portrait of his beloved Queen Elizabeth, to deliver what’s called the Sir Robert Menzies oration at the 65th birthday celebrations for the Mosman Liberals, the oldest branch in the land.

Oldest in terms of longevity, and possibly also in the age of its membership. There are a couple of beehive hairdos here that put Bronnie Bishop to shame, and more pearls than in Broome. But the age profile has been lowered on the night by the presence of several tables of younger members from the Lindsay branch, from the western suburb of Penrith, where the Howard era started in triumph with Jackie Kelly’s thumping 1996 by-election victory and ended in farce with the fake Islamic pamphlet scandal just days before the 2007 poll.

One couple are so excited about what Abbott insists should not be described as the Abbott juggernaut – “Mate, mate, mate, please don’t call it that whatever you do” – that they’ve flown over from Perth just for the night.

But if Abbott is trying to talk things down he’s talking to the wrong people.

“Tony is doing a terrific job, you can just feel the energy,” says Ann Youl, an elegant retired lady who is straight out of North Shore central casting. Mrs Youl and her husband, a retired navy commodore, lived in India, Singapore and the UK before returning to Sydney where she joined the Mosman Liberals in 1990 “when the country was going to ruin under Mr Keating with massive unemployment and high interest rates”.

Melanie Mattherson and Ann Youl, who loves Abbott but didn't care for the witchetty grub.

‘It’s terrible what Labor has done to Australia again,” Mrs Youl tells The Punch between sips of her champagne. “We were the envy of the world, we had weathered the economic problems which had befallen Asia, we had a booming surplus, we paid $96 billion off the debt, and in two years just look at what Mr Rudd has done.”

“I have no doubt that Tony can win. He’s a down to earth Aussie, he is having a go. But I must say I was a bit upset about that witchetty grub I saw him eating on television, and I told him that (his wife) Maggie wouldn’t kiss him when he got home.”

Mrs Youl’s friend Melanie Mattherson chips in: “People are responding to Tony because he’s a real person, he’s not a plastic person.”

Adding to this love-in atmosphere is a bloke by the name of John Winston Howard, glass of red in his hand, who’s being back-slapped by all-comers over his appointment as president of the International Cricket Council.

“I always thought being prime minister was the best job you could have, but I was wrong,” Howard jokes.

For a man who always cautioned against hubris in office – if ultimately succumbing to it by holding onto the prime ministership for so long – John Howard is having a bit of trouble containing his excitement at the speed at which his progeny has turned Liberal fortunes around.

“I don’t think Tony has put a foot wrong,” he tells The Punch. “He’s given real heart and hope to the Liberal Party.”

Mr Howard is even more effusive in his introductory remarks for the Leader. By this stage the crowd has been well whipped up and is in virtual victory mode. MC and Liberal Party member, John Mangos from Sky News, introduces Mosman branch President David McLean, who notes that dinner guests are arriving late after being “stuck in NSW Labor traffic”. McLean also describes NSW Opposition Deputy Leader Jillian Skinner as representing “the incoming Liberal State Government” even though the election won’t be held until next May.

When John Howard takes to the podium he gives a typically direct appraisal of what he sees as Tony Abbott’s three greatest strengths over Kevin Rudd. The first two are predictable enough. He says Mr Abbott is a man of high intelligence – “We could always rely on Tony to give an authentic middle-of-the-road point of view,” he deadpans about his boisterousness in Cabinet. He says Abbott is “possessed of great compassion,” citing his sitting in a filthy humpy with two impoverished Aboriginal men in the Territory last week with Abbott asking: “Do you sleep here every night?”

“I think that was touching, it was genuine, and it resonated with the Australian people,” Howard says.

Thirdly, and most interestingly, Mr Howard cites Mr Abbott’s capacity for self-deprecation as his greatest political strength. He says that when he was PM, he would deliberately say that the two most important jobs in Australia were prime minister and captaining the national cricket team, as his way of telling the public that he didn’t have tickets on himself.

In a pointed sledge at Mr Rudd, Mr Howard says:

“Tony does not take himself too seriously, and I really don’t know who else I have in mind when I say that. I can’t possibly think of who I have in mind. Australians like their leaders to have a bit of self-deprecation. They want them to be dignified, they want them to be strong, but they want them to be able to relate to the man and woman on the street.”

Howard then notes that there has only been one one-term government since Federation – “Even Gough Whitlam lasted two terms” – but says there is a chance that the Rudd Government can become the second (after the Scullin Labor Government which was punted after just two years during the Depression.)

“Australians want someone at the top who really believes in something,” Howard says in closing.

By the time Abbott takes the stage, with a projected image of Robert Menzies as his backdrop, he looks almost embarrassed with the adulation, and possibly even unnerved by the optimism.

Perhaps as a result he gives a pretty dry speech, with more of an internal message in his well-established capacity as a chief spear-carrier for the party’s conservative faction, where he disputes the revisionist assessment of Menzies as a small-l liberal who may have baulked at aspects of the party’s modern ideology.

Abbott says this interpretation of Menzies stems from his quote that “we take the name Liberal because we are determined to be a progressive party.” Abbott suggests that Menzies had been verballed, noting that in the full version of the quote he concluded that he did not mean “small-l” liberal in the American sense of the word.

Abbott then draws a parallel between Menzies at the 1949 election where he was campaigning to stop bank nationalisation and to end petrol rationing, and the position the post-Turnbull Liberals have adopted against Kevin Rudd’s emissions trading scheme.

Sheepishly and with one eye on his mentor, he gets to the question of whether he can win.

“Well, John,” he says, “it would be a historic boilover for the Rudd Government to be only the second one-term government since Federation.

“But it just might happen.”

As the applause finally dies down, Abbott concludes by drawing on a Liberal Leader from the unheralded end of the party’s spectrum, Billy Snedden, who famously talked proudly of leading the Opposition to a magnificent loss.

“Most of all I want to say to you that I am playing to win,” he says.

“Ladies and gentlemen there is no such thing as a magnificent loss and I don’t intend to preside over one.”

After his speech Abbott tells The Punch that he is “having a great time” in the new job but that he doesn’t want to get ahead of himself and is taking it one day at a time. He asks about the traffic on his Punch piece on Friday about his Top End visit and is pleased to hear that it’s had a couple of hundred comments, even if much of it is abuse. He’s less pleased to hear that it got fewer comments than the shirts-off photo gallery comparing him to another political man of action, Vladimir Putin. “You should do a gallery comparing Rudd to Yeltsin,” he says, adding that at least Yeltsin was often pissed so he had an excuse.

Due to the crush of party faithful chatting to Abbott before his speech, and the presence of Howard who has been virtually mobbed by young Liberals and old ladies, the night has gone an hour over schedule.

The vote of thanks falls to Shadow Treasurer Joe Hockey, a formal Turnbull loyalist who crashed and burned in last December’s leadership ballot only to watch Abbott skate through the middle by just one vote.

The briefest speech of the night is also the best. Despite being a believer in climate change Hockey succinctly explains why a pro-ETS Opposition was never going to make any inroads against a pro-ETS Government.

“We were effectively Kevin Rudd’s human shield,” Hockey says. “Those days are over.”

As the night ends with a fundraising auction for the Lindsay campaign – the framed signatures of John Howard and Robert Menzies fetch $3000 – it’s unclear whether Abbott’s obvious ability to energise the party’s base will also extend to swinging voters. Clearly it has started to turn around – the published polls show an average three-point reversal in Labor and Liberals vote over the past few months, with Abbott also gaining on Rudd as preferred PM.

The Libs could be looking at conservative re-run of 1998, where Kim Beazley clawed back so many traditional Labor voters that he won the popular vote but not enough seats.

They could also be looking at victory. As Abbott said – and has Kevin Rudd himself has warned Caucus – it just might happen.

The man who is most determined to keep a lid on things, and to make sure that the Libs don’t lapse into their time-honoured “natural party of government” cockiness, is the man who most wants to be our next PM.

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    • joshua says:

      11:16pm | 07/03/10

      are the liberals mad do they really think that they will ]win. tony is john howard 2.0 and in their wisdom they arrogantly bringing back policies that cost howard the 07 election. and though abbott has good polls this is due to the liberal base coming back. labor’s only threat is the greens the liberals have misread the australian population

    • acker says:

      07:32am | 08/03/10

      If they bring back any parts of workchoices they will only be the bits that had public support. No unfair dismissal safety net in smaller companies was obviously one part of workchoices that people hated. Even Julia (the real ALP cheif) has had trouble selling the ALP model.

    • Christian Real says:

      08:12am | 08/03/10

      It appears to be a fact that some of the laws of the workchoices laws and the anti terrorism laws that the Liberals brought in were akin to Adolf Hitler’s “enabling Act, of March 23rd,1933.

    • susie says:

      08:27am | 08/03/10

      From the DT today - ‘TENS of thousands of NSW workers face pay cuts of up to $370 a week under sweeping Rudd Government workplace reforms. In a major election-year challenge to Labor, truck drivers, funeral workers, bar staff, aged care nurses and clerks are furious at award changes. Union leaders claimed the Government had breached its promise that no worker would be worse off.’  - Kevin Rudd’s approval ratings are down, failed ETS, failed fuelwatch, failed grocerywatch, battgate etc,  - your hero is tumbling off his pedestal. And despite what you think, Tony Abbott will give him a run for his money. At least Tony is a real person, not some posturing, pompous fake.

    • Jen from Nana Glen says:

      09:48am | 08/03/10

      Joshua you ‘obviously, clearly, and let me say this’ have not looked at Fair (read No/Reduced Work) Australia in detail.  Not only will quite a few people be worse off but productivity will drop as useless militant unions with their ambit claims for higher wages and higher allowances push more jobs overseas and slow growth.

      If you think this Federal Government is a winner then I would hate to see a bad government.  May be you should and you would not have the views you do.

    • Ryan says:

      10:14am | 08/03/10

      @joshua: Its highly unlikely the Liberals will win, considering the dream run the media have given this current Labor government which is unsurprising really considering the $250 mil plus this government has given of the our taxpayer dollars to the media.

    • mark says:

      10:36am | 08/03/10

      Susie,

      I think many more people are worried in regards to what Abbot said in regards to scrap award rate/weekend loading as previously reported.

    • mark says:

      10:34am | 08/03/10

      Susie,

      I think many more people are worried in regards to what Abbot said in regards to scrap award rate/weekend loading as previously reported.

    • BigBen says:

      12:12pm | 08/03/10

      No way I will vote for them, they have no right bringing back anything, we protested over this before. It cost Australian workers wages to let them know we did not want this, they ignored us, and lost the election. They never learn.

    • the yank says:

      05:24pm | 08/03/10

      You are being too kind. Tony is half of what Howard was and I didn’t like Howard.
      With rudd 6points ahead in the polls during wht might be called Tony’s honeymoon period they have to kid themselves other wise they’d be out there jumping off bridges.

    • Damo says:

      07:00pm | 08/03/10

      interesting arguement, Krudd was Howard 1.5, and the mad sheep of australia voted for him.

    • Jim says:

      11:16pm | 08/03/10

      Yeah, Rudd scrapped Work Choices. Big deal.  It’s as bad as ever: I was sacked with 2-hours notice just before Christmas, after working at the company for 15-years.  No reason given - I was just out that day. I still haven’t found a decent job.

      And now taxes are up, national debt is way up, services are down and Rudd has promised and failed to deliver a record number of different things. 

      Right on @Joshua - this government is fabulous. I can’t understand why on earth the Opposition “might just win” at the election.

    • WKH says:

      05:40am | 08/03/10

      Politics has bored me to death for years, but not any more. Tony has changed that. I would love to see Krudd fall flat on his arse come election day. The man of plastic is on course for a flogging. If T Abbott can stay on message he can win this one. Krudd has wrecked the Labor brand in only a couple of short years. Then again, he has also wrecked the economy. It doesn’t take too long to see through shallow people.
      Krudd = fail….

    • Macca says:

      09:22am | 08/03/10

      Barnaby also makes politics very interesting, hardly going to win a lot of fans, but at least he’s human, rather than a product of the political machine

      Although, Rudd will win the next election, when push comes to shove, Libs won’t win enough seats to get back in.

    • Ryan says:

      10:16am | 08/03/10

      @Macca: which is of course a tragedy because if you think that the country hasn’t been stuffed up enough and is not sporting enough debt, just imagine what another few years will do. As it is our childrens children will be paying for the rampant spending spree that Rudd and his cronies have been on. We can thank the media for their blatant and obvious support for Labor.

    • Colin says:

      12:23pm | 08/03/10

      @Ryan: Indeed, “because if you think that the country hasn’t been stuffed up enough and is not sporting enought debt”, then take a moment to consider that “our childrens children” will never be able to pay off Rudd’s debts. Seriously.

      The Interest bill alone, just for the 4 years 2009-10 to 2012-13, as forecast by the Govt in the Nov 2009 Budget MYEFO… is $48.49 Billion. No principal. Just the Interest:

      http://barnabyisright.wordpress.com/2010/03/06/rudds-interest-bill-48-49bn-to-2013/

      Download Appendix B to the 2009-10 MYEFO at the govt’s site, burrow down to Note 10, and add it up for yourself.

      And they are still borrowing like madmen. $1.8 Billion last week. Another $1.6 billion scheduled for this week.

    • Steve says:

      08:58pm | 08/03/10

      To all the right wing liberal detractors, those self-appointed parasites sucking the life out of social discourse with their relentless and predictable negativity: Tell it the way it is folks please leave all those push button terms of phrase alone!! You will not get the thinking Australian with this Howard Scaremongering tactics. It is yesterday programmes of dumbing down the nation tricks…we paid off the debt they cry…zero government debt that is!!! Not that it was the consequence of a strong economy put in place by the Hawke and Keating years of tough decision making like floating the currency, overhauling tariffs, liberalising the financial system, managing industrial relations through the Accord and enterprise bargaining – all massive economic changes that transformed our economy. On the other hand the nation’s total debt soared from a mere $700 billion in 1997 up to $3.2 trillion by the close of their term. An increase of 387% So please don’t tell us you have some other way to do things on the cheap or any other way, because for 11 years you did nothing but build middle class welfare systems and ripped out billions of dollars!! But that is the trend when you really look, just as Menzies rode on the coat tails of Chifley who had a really big idea for the growth of the nation building Australia for a better future. Snowy mountain scheme employed over 100,000 workers… same catch cries then too… our children’s children will be paying off this debt long into the future.. Oh how we forget!!! Just like the treasurer of the day in the seventies, (when it did matter what you did as treasurer before we floated the dollar) sent the country broke with the deepest recession we have ever known, and what was it 22% interest rates did we ever really recover? The treasurer John Winston Howard… seems not much changed did it?

    • Ryan says:

      10:30am | 09/03/10

      @Steve: from the tone of your post one can surmise that you are so out of touch. In my opinion you have no credibility.

    • Steve says:

      01:05pm | 09/03/10

      @ Ryan are you sure it is the TONE of my post that conveys this to you and not the CONTENT? If you can not accurately differentiate between these two different concepts it speaks more to your credibility than mine. Clearly you need to expand your research to include both sides of this issue and not just sit and absorb the Liberal sound bites and buzzwords. I personally have spent many years reading and researching Australian social and political history. The points I make are the fruits of this comprehensive research. I do not however consider popular media spin as de facto evidence.

    • Ryan says:

      12:33am | 10/03/10

      @Steve: “Clearly you need to expand your research to include both sides of this issue and not just sit and absorb the Liberal sound bites and buzzwords” so you say, yet your obvious one sided view and the spewing of just about every bit of the same old worn out Labor dreamtime record makes your statement rather like a Rudd Labor government “do as I say not as I do” rhetoric.

    • Steve says:

      03:03pm | 11/03/10

      @Ryan Very amusing comment or lack of. When you say “do as I say not as I do” rhetoric is that in reference to when Howard sacked most heads of departments in the government and replaced them with his own carefully selected Howard-friendly people (hi Mr Gretch)? Or when he hand picked his own cabinet (dissenters and malcontents need not apply)? but clearly lets move on Ryan it is the CONTENT as always that gets the babes of the Dumbing Down Of The Nation Programme confused with the TONE !!! because that is one of the crucial aspects of the programme….  “do as I say not as I do”

    • Ryan says:

      04:20pm | 11/03/10

      @Steve: last time I checked, Howard was long gone, stop living in the past. Just because the previous bloke did it does not mean that it is acceptable that the current government does the same thing, its called progress.

    • Steve says:

      08:01pm | 11/03/10

      @Ryan. Now you are being silly or you must have graduated with honours from the Dumbing Down Of The Nation Programme. Every picture tells a thousand word and come in many forms Ryan, not unlike the main one at the heading of the article.

    • Andrew says:

      06:50am | 08/03/10

      Rudds falseness, ego and arrogance has come back to haunt him. His party must be considering changing leaders before the next election. I think that Labor will still win the next election, but I bet Labor never thought Rudd would start losing popularity so fast in the lead up to the election. I’m sure there are now quite alot of nervous ministers in the Labor Party wondering if they should leave Rudd as Leader. Abbott looks relaxed and confident, Rudd looks nervous, rattled and tired.

    • Christian Real says:

      07:08am | 08/03/10

      WHK 06:40am 08/03/2010
      WHK, you say in your comment that ; ” It doesn’t take long to see though shallow people” does that mean that you are either blind or that you have forgotten to take of your rose coloured glasses because you have certainly failed to see through Tony Abbott .

    • Wayne Fehlhaber says:

      08:18am | 08/03/10

      Christian Real , Does it disturb you to see Rudd’s cage being rattled ?
      A large number of people HAVE taken their ” rose coloured glasses “
      off . They won’t make the mistake of voting for the Labor NERD next time
      will they ?  The foil insulation fiasco , school computer farce , E.T.S. collapse , hospitals horror etc etc etc have taken a huge toll on any credibility Rudd may have had.  $300 billion in debt and rising. It took six years for Howard/Costello to pay off the Keating $96 billion debt.
      Rudd’s legacy is expected to take twenty years. Hope you have prepared your kids to shoulder that debt Christian.

    • Macca says:

      09:24am | 08/03/10

      Failed to see through Tony Abbott?

      Whats there to see through? He wears budgie smugglers and bears his sole in Women’s magazines (and gets pretty chastised for both).
      Abbott is not a product of a politcal machine, @Christian Real.

      You’re more than welcome to disagree with his policies, but I think he’s far more genuine than our current PM.

    • Christian Real says:

      09:35am | 08/03/10

      Wayne Fehlhaber 09:18am 08/03/10
      Wayne, it’s good to see that you have finally surfaced again after all that rain at Hervey Bay recently, I was beginning to worry about you.
      Tell me Wayne,What exactly did Tony Abbott do for the Hospitals and Health, when he was Health Minister in the former Liberal Government, other than sipon money away from the Hospitals and the Health system, the legacy of his inaction while Health Minister is clearly visible today with the failing Hospitals needing more cash than ever to get them running again properly.
      As Education Minister, it appears that Abbott in that portfolio was no better really .
      And Tony Abbotts most recent political stunts almost cost a truck driver his life when he had to swerve to avoid hitting Abbott’s comcar that was stationary in the middle of a busy highway.
      Abbott’s second political stunt was his outback adventure where he falsely claims that he was lost, and that our people were lost as well;
      One thing for sure Wayne is that our people would not have been lost as abbott claimed, they would have known the lay of the land, known exactly where they were and would certainly have known how to get back to where they had all started from.
      Abbott, like all Liberals are opportunists, they say plenty, do these political stunts with our people to make out they are doing something, when in fact they are doing absolutely nothing for our people.
      Abbott has shown his contempt towards our people by wanting to overturn the wild rivers act, so that mining can be allowed in the pristine wilderness and the wild rivers areas of the far North,and Abbott has again shown contempt towards our people by being against and not acknowledging that “Sorry Day” and other Aboriginal things should be taught in schools across Australia.
      It appears that Tony Abbott is a person of hollow calibre, that says a lot,that means absolutely nothing,and is concerned about no one except himself and his political ambitions.

    • Wayne Fehlhaber says:

      01:40pm | 08/03/10

      Christian , Do you remember Labor’s opposition to G.S.T. ? I do , so does the electorate. Rudd has had 2 years to remove it , but it is STILL there Christian . Why ? because it is a fair & equal form of taxation. !
      The Howard/Costello gave the full G.S.T. revenue to the states ( all Labor at the time ) more than enough to bring the National hospital system up to coping with Australian requirements. What happened ?
      Labor Premiers then spent the revenue on election promises & projects in Labor seats. It was great for them , no tax pain for the people,
      no problem being re-elected. They continue today with the SAME mismanagement of G.S.T. revenue.
                          What you simply don’t understand Christian , is that it is STATE RESPONSIBILITY to raise hospital funding. Federal governments have always provided funds to the states to BOOST their Health funds but it is a state’s responsibility to raise their own money.
      I will say that reluctance in raising state taxes is due in part to the way it is distributed .                      Christian , i gave you credit for some intellect but maybe i was too generous. The near miss collision in which Tony Abbott was involved , was fully due to the truck driver speeding under adverse traffic conditions at the time. The truck driver has since been fined for driving without due care & attention & speeding. He is fortunate somebody was not killed or he would be facing a manslaughter charge.
      You should check your facts before running to the keyboard Christian.
                      You obviously don’t realise that your people , in fact ,
      back the overturn of the Wild Rivers Act. I suggest you contact NOEL PEARSON with whom you should be conversant.

    • Jordan Gray says:

      01:02am | 09/03/10

      So Wayne… you’re saying Howard gave a bunch of money to an under regulated sector, knowing the risks that it would be abused? Tony Abbot must have known the risks that not forcing the States to improve the Health System would be (being Health Minister and all).
      So by Abbot’s own logic… does that make him personally responsible for any deaths caused due to Australia having practically no Health System?

    • Wayne Fehlhaber says:

      12:21pm | 09/03/10

      Jordan Gray , your play on words borders on being a comment from the village idiot.  As i have already stated , hospitals are a state responsibility supported by the Commonwealth via funding boosts.
      The responsibility for any shortfalls in states health infrastructure rests with the states. To use your analogy , if deaths occurred resulting from the lack of a health system , it would be the responsibility of the donkeys who voted Labor govts. into the states over the period of the Howard govt .  Quite ridiculous isn’t it.  ?

    • Jordan Gray says:

      05:26pm | 09/03/10

      In the “Battgate scandal” Tony Abbot didn’t care that the companies employing the workers should be responsible for their training and safety. But you’re saying the Health Minister didn’t have a responsibility to the Health System because it was the States responsibility? If Peter Garret and Kevin Rudd can be considered responsible for work done by completely different people not under their jurisdiction why can’t Abbot? Accountability works both ways.

      Oh and trying to refute my argument with a personal attack doesn’t say much for your argument. Just because you didn’t understand my analogy, doesn’t make it idiotic.

    • Christian Real says:

      07:08pm | 09/03/10

      Wayne Fehlhaber , 02.40pm, 08/03/2010 :
      Wayne, Do you remember Howard saying that; the G.S.T ‘would “Never Ever” be part of coaltion policy’ (wikipedia)
      Howard went on to later introduce the GST, which showed that like all Liberals Howard lied to the Australian people.
      Wayne, as I peruse all of the major online newspapers on a daily basis I never noticed that there ever was any news article where it said that ‘the truck driver had been fined for driving without due care & attention & speeding’ like you claim, could you please name and give the website where you appear to think that you read this information from.

    • Wayne Fehlhaber says:

      07:38pm | 09/03/10

      Jordan Gray , the Insulation Foil Fiasco is an entirely differrent issue.
      It was a Federal government iniative , under the Environmental Minister’s portfolio . Peter Garrett failed to advise state government Authorities , policeing the installation process in line with state building requirements , that he had been warned of incorrect & dangerous practices being used in the installation process. Those warnings had been forwarded to the Minister 12 months earlier & had he acted to halt the Insulation scheme , some lives may not have been lost. Their is a direct responsibility line to the Minister in this instance , whereas there is none at all to Tony Abbott in the instance you cite.
      What you have taken as a personal attack was meant to emphasise
      my considered opinion of your assertion that Tony Abbott could be responsible for the Labor states mismanagement of federal funds.

    • Jordan Gray says:

      10:32pm | 09/03/10

      Wayne, so you believe that no one raised the issue to Abbott while he was Health Minister that the States either would or were mishandling the Health System? Or that giving the GST to the states wasn’t a goverment funded inititive? If you can agree with Abbott that Garrett is responsible for a shonky tradesman you should agree the Coalition if responsible for States mishandling of GST.

    • Wayne Fehlhaber says:

      08:32am | 10/03/10

      Christian , your ” never ever ” defence is irrelevant. Howard went to a later election with G.S.T. as a policy & was given a mandate by the majority of voters to proceed with the now proven far better tax system.
      Christian , do your own research on the outcome of the cowboy truck driver’s traffic infringements. You will find it .

    • Wayne Fehlhaber says:

      08:58am | 10/03/10

      Jordan Gray , your questions answered :
      (1)  irrelevant ( the state’s incompetence is not Federal responsibility )
      (2)  G.S.T. distribution to the states provided sufficient money for hospitals but how they used the money is their responsibility. Yes it is a Federal funding initiative & is currently being exercised by the Rudd government & they also accept that how it is used is state responsibility.
      (3)  No , Tony Abbott is not responsible for state’s mismanagement of G.S.T. revenue.
      (4) Peter Garrett had a direct line of responsibility as he was running the insulation project & that is why Rudd moved him sideways.
      Hypothetical twisting and turning won’t change the facts Jordan.

    • Christian Real says:

      01:56pm | 10/03/10

      In other words Wayne, your spiel about the truck driver’s infringements is all made up, but hey i am not surprised by the typical Liberal answer that you gave me

    • Wayne Fehlhaber says:

      06:21pm | 10/03/10

      Christian , i had hoped you were better than some of your contempories. An expectation of everything being handed to you on a platter with all the work done for you is an attitude you should lose real soon. I’ll give you a clue : 7 News carried the story.  One particular state
      Police Commissioner commented on the truckies stupidity. Take a leaf out of Noel Pearson’s book Christian , intelligence coupled with common sense , Noel is a man i much admire. Incidently , your end sentence did not advance your debate one iota.

    • Evan Findlay says:

      07:17am | 08/03/10

      If the Liberals want to win the next election they would be best served by disassociating themselves with John Howard.

      In their own polling 18 months out from the last election the number one reason for voting against the coaliton was John Howard. When the curtain fell on the conservative government of twelve years, John Howard was still the number one reason people voted against them. John was never one to show humility, no he just ran roughshod over everything and everyone. But eventually he received his just desserts. The party would not replace him just so he would not look like he was a coward. When confronted with the realisation that not only would he lose government but also his seat, some months out from the election, John wanted out but it had to be seen in the eyes of the electorate that he was pushed so that he could save face. John didn’t want the Australian people to think that he was a coward because he knew electoral defeat was imminent and that pulling up stumps and going home was more desirable than the humiliation of what was about to transcend. No, John could never man up and take responsibility. But even his own party felt he deserved what was about to be served to him and refused to push him on. Their position was if he wants to jump, then he jumps of his own accord.

      As for Melanie Mattherson and Ann Youl. I find your comments comical and contemptuous that you would see other people as being plastic. Have you ladies actually worked a day in your lives? I can understand why you didn’t see the need for the government to stimulate the economy in order to keep people in employment. Sitting in your mansions, sipping champagne as your husbands decimated the financial markets. No need for these ladies to worry about the public health system, they’ll never go near it, not while I’m paying 30% of their private health premiums.  You must lie awake at night praying that Mr Rudd doesn’t take away all that middle class welfare that Mr Howard bestowed upon you. You don’t care that it is all unsustainable, no….. just as long as you don’t have to put your own hands into your pocket to pay for it.

      Yes Melanie and Ann you are far removed from reality in your little North Shore shanty town. Send hubby of to work every morning to rape and pillage the financial markets so that he can bring home that big bonus for you to splurge at BWS. You should probably remain in your champagne induced stupor long after the election, as it will help to numb the pain.

    • elhombre says:

      07:56am | 08/03/10

      The typical sneering class hatred of the labour voting loser. Melanie and Ann lead rich, rewarding lives because are better than you ! Better educated, better motivated and with the natural liberal midset of self reliance. Really sticks in your incompetent, socialist craw doesn’t it !  smile

    • Aitch B says:

      08:13am | 08/03/10

      Hey, Evan! Ever been to an ALP function? I have been to a number and I can tell you that the pearl and Versace brigade don’t limit themselves to Liberal functions. And believe it or not they too sip champagne whilst bagging the hell out of any Lib they can think of. In spite of what you may think it’s not all beer and overalls in the ALP.

    • Evan Findlay says:

      08:16am | 08/03/10

      elhombre, I doubt that they are better educated, the fact they attended a conservative party function will attest to that. Secondly, if they are as illiterate as you they too probably spell Labour with a “u”. Thirdly it doesn’t take much motivation to spend your husbands money. Fourthly, I am not a socialist. I do believe in the capitalist system accompanied with some regulation so that we don’t end up with an American economy. My point, which was lost on you, was that people in glass houses should not throw stones. For them to be calling people plastic is a little rich. And furthermore, my life is not that shallow that I measure success by my bank balance. I’m a little bit more complex and intelligent for that. And just because I make comment about people ignorance’s does not make me a socialist, even if you do know what a socialist is, which I also doubt.

    • Sherlock says:

      08:19am | 08/03/10

      Nobody hates like the left hates

    • elhombre says:

      08:43am | 08/03/10

      Hey Evan, you think dropping a vowel from the party name makes everyone forget that the front bench of this corrupt, incompetent government is 70% ex union? Went right over your head didn’t it ! You ALP trolls bite EVERY SINGLE TIME. It’s just too easy. Keep up the hating, you seem to be good at it.

    • Joe says:

      09:24am | 08/03/10

      @elhombre Its funny how you seem quick to stereotype the typical Labor voter and call them out on their class hatred, even as you do the exact same thing and display your own snobbery for those less fortunate than the Liberal elite.

      I voted Labor last election, yet grew up in the same suburbs as Howard’s kids and attended the same school for a while, before going on to finish my education at one of the elite GPS schools and university.  Yet I agree with what Evan has written and after the Liberals biggest defeat in history and being only the second PM to have lost his seat in an election, it would be wise for the party to distance themselves from Howard and the Howard era policies, unless they are looking for a repeat at the next election.

      As it wasn’t the typical Labor voter which cost the liberals the last election, but exactly the conservative attitude that you and many Liberals display, which turns many Australians off , regardless of their political affiliation and which arguably, lead to policies such as work choices being introduced.

      After all, elections aren’t decided by the loyal supporters on either side in blue ribbon seats, but by the undecided or swinging voter and if you think that they have anything in common with the wealthy north shore in Sydney, who live in privilege and class, have always voted Liberal and always will, you are living in a fantasy world and present the best chance of Labor winning again, if the Liberals were to display the same attitude as you have here.

      While with an attitude like that and your defense of Melanie and Ann, i suppose you think the poorly educated and welfare dependent Aboriginals with whom Abbot met, only have themselves to blame for their own housing and living conditions?

      Although thanks for not only proving Evan’s point, but displaying the true Liberal attitude towards others.

    • Macca says:

      09:30am | 08/03/10

      Evan Findlay says:09:16am | 08/03/10

      elhombre, I doubt that they are better educated, the fact they attended a conservative party function will attest to that.


      So, if I disagree with your political opnion, I’m dumber?

      Cheap stuff Evan,

    • elhombre says:

      09:41am | 08/03/10

      Good try with the sad, weak, slippery slope argument Joe.  You voted labour? Then you can accept the blame for what has been done to this country in two short years. Are you going to apologise now or later? Your type seem to be good at meaningless apologies.
      Time to go, I’ve got a plane to catch. Keep up the hating kruddsters.

    • Evan Findlay says:

      10:04am | 08/03/10

      elhombre have you taken a look at your beloved Liberal party lately. Most of them are a throw back to a bygone era. Bishop, Tuckey, Ruddock, Andrews, Michin. All true believers that workchoices never went far enough. And you want to talk about governments that are incompetent!

      The Howard government managed to blow 240 billion dollars on cash splashes, one off payments and unsustainable middle class welfare. I could understand the 30% rebate on private health if there was a cut in defence spending, but there wasn’t. They used tax revenue. The problem with this is that as tax revenue decreases like it has during the GFC, more funding cuts to other areas have to be initiated to cover these shortsighted policies.  Howard and Costello were economic charlatans, not conservatives. They blew so much money for no result. With all that money you would have thought that some policy formation would have dealt with the low productivity figures, but no, just more middle class welfare and pork barreling.

      Yes there is a lot to hate. Arrogant buffoons like yourself who can’t even be bothered to check their spelling trying to persuade me to vote for a party that wants to take away my penalty rates, a party that will blow the next resources boom on fiscally irresponsible, middle class welfare whilst my children are taught in oversized classrooms based on a curriculum that was formulated during Bronwyn Bishops heyday. And that’s a long time ago.

      A government that allowed health and education to be neglected just because the Liberal party is too intellectually inept to formulate policy.

      We have tankers that sit off our coastline waiting for weeks on end to fill up with our coal but your beloved Liberal party couldn’t be bothered spending money on infrastructure to increase efficiency and productivity. Oh they can waffle on about it but when push comes to shove they are found wanting.

      And now we have Tony Abbott, the man that once said he was the love child of John Howard and Bronwyn Bishop. How touching. The thought of John touching Bronwyn anywhere in that region is disturbing enough but to actually say that you are their lovechild of such an act is just plain weird. But it does go to show that he is cut from the same cloth . At least John feigned interest in the economy. At least he had an interest in economics. Tony display’s his contempt for all things financial by appointing the minster for conspiracy theories as his finance minister. And do you think he’s making an impression in the world of finance and big business. You bet he is!

      You’ve converted me elhombre. Tony Abbott and his plethora of ageing dinosaurs is exactly what this country needs…..Not!
      Tony Abbott is just another in a long line of conservative politicians that is politically inept, policy inert and striving for mediocrity.

    • Jezza says:

      10:12am | 08/03/10

      Mrs Holmes A Court is the Labor party’s No1 ticket holder. She’s also the richest woman in the country.

    • Joe says:

      10:53am | 08/03/10

      Still more stereotyping Elhombre, just because i voted for one party at the next election, doesn’t mean I am guaranteed to do so at the next, nor that i am part of the Labor camp forever, for i am far from convinced one side of politics is always going to be correct and present the better argument, leadership and policies.  Honestly, if i had a decent third option in the House of Reps, they would probably be receiving my vote, as the union influence within the ALP has never sat well with me and i accept they have their faults or can be just as bad as the Liberals at times.

      While, i am sorry and I do apologise that Abbot and the Liberals, are still behind Rudd and Labor in the polls, as it obviously drives the Liberal zealots like yourself, to rely purely on blind faith in a leader and party, who only has a 35 percent approval rating and 47 percent of the vote respectively, blindly attacking anyone who speak ill of their own.

      But now that is out of the way, do we get an apology for what Howard did to this country?  Although it might be best he first apologise to his own party, after leading them to such a defeat at the last election, with policies the country overwhelmingly rejected.  Unless of course, they plan on maintaining their position and those same policies, in which case it might be best to wait until after the election is over and the Liberals can finally accept the error of their ways.

    • ~Mungogerrie~ says:

      11:58am | 08/03/10

      Growing up in middle class Melbourne, there was such a distinction between Liberal families and Labor.
      Libs were classy, no matter what their wealth, small or large.
      Labor had a chip on their shoulders like old commies.
      All they ever wanted really, was what the Lib people had.
      Class!
      That blue collar thing has never left the Labor party I am afraid.
      As soon as westies get cashed up they buy a house in Toorak and then they think they have “arrived” Ha Ha!! 

      Too bad, I don’t have much, especially after Rudd has all but ruined my life and my country, but I do have that wonderful “LIB THING” that all the Labor money can’t buy!!

    • Rigger says:

      01:05pm | 08/03/10

      Becareful elhombre you prejudice for the Australian worker is showing. Try running the country without us. But then again should Abbott bring workchoices or the equivalent back you may have to.

    • elhombre says:

      12:15pm | 09/03/10

      Hey Rigger, I work on a coal mine ! Is that worker enough for you?

    • Sam Chowder says:

      07:20am | 08/03/10

      Politicians do not win elections - they loose them, floating voters are not spoilt with quality.  The question to be pondered at election time by floating voters is “Has the government performed so badly that I will vote just to get them out”.
      It is like choosing to be hit over the head with a baseball bat or a rock, a pillow would be better but never offered.

    • omegaman says:

      07:58am | 09/03/10

      Thanks for stating what everyone already knows, Uncle Sam. Try and be original next time. Also try to be Australian. It is:
      lose, not loose;
      swinging voter, not floating voter;
      cricket bats, not baseball bats; and
      soup, not chowder.

    • Old Clive says:

      07:27am | 08/03/10

      Old Clive says the coaltition is and always has been the party that has enalbed this country to prosper, remember Chifley wanted to nationalise the banks, Rudd has more in common with China than a lot of people realise. Chairman Rudd has his own little red book of control of the masses. Labor is really the rich peoples party, but unfortunately the workers can’t see beyond their paypackets and also unfortunately we believe everything we are told and see.

    • John A Neve says:

      08:09am | 08/03/10

      Old Clive,

      Perhaps you could define prosperity for us. You state “the coalaition has always enabled this country to prosper”.

      I would suggest the coalition created this countries great divide and fought hard to maintain it.  While making many, many mistakes Labor has by far done more to create an equal Australia.

      The Nationals were and are a squatters party and Liberals are now a supporter of big business, their small business tag has long been dumpt.

    • Old Clive says:

      08:26am | 08/03/10

      Equal Australia, you must be living in the dreamtime, Whitlam favoured the nohopers and Labor has always penalised the people who want to better themselves and take care of their families. But at least you have come out from under your cloak and showed your prefences, Hervey Bay is the name of a pool of water, there is no such town or city just as Labor is never for equality in any shape or form.

    • Wayne Fehlhaber says:

      08:35am | 08/03/10

      JOHN NEVE ,  ” OLD CLIVE ” has a point in that the Labor party no longer represents the working man or woman. The Liberal party represents ALL Australians John , not just a selection to suit the lunatics who have taken over ” old school Labor “.
      Your claim that ” their small buisness tag has been dumped ”  is rubbish. In fact , you will note Shadow Treasurer , Joe Hockey , has sounded warnings of small business failings via having to borrow at higher rates thanks to Labor’s monetary policies.
      There has NEVER been a LABOR govt. in the history of federation , that
      has NOT left Australia with a legacy of debt. The $300 billlion projected debt incurred by the current govt. will rest on the shoulders of our grand kids. Not a good prospect John.

    • John A Neve says:

      08:43am | 08/03/10

      Old Clive,

      A brilliant contribution to debate, I love your desciption of your fellow Australians, please tell, what in your view is a “nohoper”?

      I repeat, Labor has done more to equal out our society than has the opposition.

    • Phil says:

      09:09am | 08/03/10

      John

      I often respect your comments, hey I have even agreed with you on some occassions, but you might like to explain why everyone should be equal, as I would hate to misread your post.

      I am not referring to equal access to health etc, schooling etc, I am referring to the boss who has a nice car verses the storeman who works 38 hours a week retires to the pub each night when the boss continues to work away.

      Labor may try with what many call social engineering to realight wealth, and perhaps some middle class welfare goes to far, however whilst I agree with a hand up mentality rather than a hand out one, you cannot seriously think that a 38 hour a week worker should be in the same position at retirement than the person who took risks, started their own business and sought prosperity for them and their family by working often 100 hour weeks, without breaks until their ship came in. After all if it were not for successful people, and the tax they pay, many of the benefits the lower paid receive would simply be economically unviable or affordable.

      What we have in Australia is equal opportunity to make money, and get ahead, its just the application of our brains, a bit of elbow grease and determination that is missing or remains dormant from some. You may not become a multi millionaire, nor overnight, but a comfortable self reliant existence is not that hard.

      For some disabilities prohibit this and they should be looked after, however a lawn mower, edger and blower along with some form of transport and you have the tools to start a small successful business. Many would agree many/most homes have these items or 3 out of 4 at least. This can be grown at a later stage should the desire exist. Similarly a home cleaner, not much capital required for that maximum
      $ 2,000 with the best of everything.  These are but two examples, a mobile car wash is another where little capital is required, less than
      $ 500 plus transport.

      Its the putting into action where many fail. Prosperity is a mind set and to prove this, many from Sydneys Western Suburbs have become very successful and wealthy individuals via hard work.

      No boy when asked what they want to do when they grow up would say I want to stay at home and live on social security. If they do they should be removed from their parents/guardians. They all want to something like Policeman, Fireman or Pilot. Similarly many young girls if asked want to be a princess, balerina, model, actor, not a middle age angry hormonal woman.

      Mind you proper Careers counselling at School would go a long way to help address this issue.

      On the topic of this article, I do think Rudd is on the nose with the electorate, and his dwindling popularity, will not serve him well come election time.

      I do hope he is a one term wonder, but doubt this will happen.

      Tony Abbott does do for more than Kev. Its not the issue of working harder its working smarter, and Abbott is doing this. Being fit and healthy will assist with stamina leading up to the election.

      Go Tony

    • John A Neve says:

      09:17am | 08/03/10

      Wayne,

      Your at it again, same old sick lie. Government debt is the people’s debt, again Wayne, if you have proof of politicians pocketing the money go to the police. If in fact the money was spent on roads, health, education etc. It’s our debt,  this Labor debt lie is a concoction of the coalition and some sections of the media.

      What makes much more interesting reading is how the coalition paid off the nations debt.  Those who know weep.

    • Macca says:

      09:35am | 08/03/10

      @John A Neve, “Labor has done more to equal out our society than has the opposition”.

      Considering the WorkChoices hate campaign was run on the back of the old “all bosses are A***holes” argument, I can’t completely agree with this..

    • John A Neve says:

      09:37am | 08/03/10

      Phil,

      I have never suggested all Australians should be equal, as you would know, that is not possible. Even if we all started out equal we would not all end up that way.

      But we can/could have an equal society, things like free education, free public health system, a national transport system road/rail, national communications coverage etc.  But we don’t, what we have is an inbuilt inequality.

      We can’t all be the same, but we should all have the same chances.

    • Wayne Fehlhaber says:

      09:38am | 08/03/10

      JOHN NEVE , please let me know where , in my post , i made any reference to ” politicians pocketing money “.  This government’s debt
      has been incurred by Rudd.  He is now in the process of burdening the
      Australian people with his mismanagement. The electorate did NOT ask for the debt nor did Rudd tell the electorate that he was going to foist it on them. Are you having a difficult day John ?

    • John A Neve says:

      10:15am | 08/03/10

      Macca,

      You must read some strange publications!! I am unaware of any hate campaign on Work Choices. Do you believe all you read in the media?

      You probably believe as posted by another blogger on this site, that every second Australian is a “nohoper”.

    • John A Neve says:

      10:18am | 08/03/10

      Wayne,

      Every time you talk of “Labors debt”, you are inferring the money was misappropriated. I repeat the nations debt is our debt, the Labor government did not leave us with a debt, the people sacked them.

      I note you did not address my point on how the coalition paid off our debt!!  Scary the way they did i, was’t it?

    • Macca says:

      10:32am | 08/03/10

      @John A Neve.

      So you believe that the Labor Party always represents the workers interests and the ACTU campaign against workchoices was well informed, completely bereft of political ideology and had nothing to do with the Union movements dwindling power base?

      as for the campaign itself, feel free to read the propogander on the “Workchoices” link at the top right of this screen.

      As for every second Australian being a no-hoper, I’m not sure why you’d think this about me, considering I gave no support to that argument at all… strawman much?

    • John A Neve says:

      10:38am | 08/03/10

      Christain Real,

      In your comments on the national debt, you failed to mention the coalitions $billion sell off of public buildings!!  Which they immediatly leased back at inflated rentails!!! 

      Taxpayers are now and for ever and a day renting what we once owned!!
      The sooner the coalition sell Medibank Pivate, the sooner the people won’t need a government at all. We could even contract one of those American companes to look after our nation’s defense.

    • Old Clive says:

      11:05am | 08/03/10

      As I said before you must be living the Dreamtime, can you name me a plaqce on this earth where equality reigns, and pleeeaasse don’t try and push unionism on me, I have had the experience of dealing with some of the toughest uinions in this country, as well as managing some of the toughest workers and I have never seen any equality anywhere, even the fact that we are posting these comments is an indication that we consider ourselves to be above the average LABO[u}R voter.

    • John A Neve says:

      11:30am | 08/03/10

      Old Clive,

      Like Macca you appear to have a comprehension problem. Where have I ever said “equality reigns”?

      My earlier post in response to Phil covers your misunderstanding.

      Regarding “unions”, where Oh where have I mentioned “unions”?
      Do you people learn all this stuff of by heart?

      Ill make allowances for you being “old”, but please try and keep up with the topic.

    • Macca says:

      12:04pm | 08/03/10

      Now Now John, we’re having a sensible debate, no need to start acting condesending , if you disagree with Old Clive, thats fine, but attack the argument, not the person.

      if you’re happy with Kevin Rudd’s performance since 2007, great, but I think there are a lot of people disillusioned with the Labor party’s response to being elected, especially in the last few months.

      My justification for this; Abbott (as you will undoubtedly attest to) is a divisive character, whose approval ratings are on the up. He is simply not that popular… unless Rudd is stuffing up.

    • BigBob says:

      12:32pm | 08/03/10

      Old Clive sounds like old Wilson Tuckey. If its you Wilson get back to work!! Many Many Aussie workers vote Labor mate . Liberals take from the poor ..us..and give to the rich..them

    • John A Neve says:

      12:40pm | 08/03/10

      Macca,

      I am happy to debate any body, but I don’t like it when people suggest I’ve said things when in fact I haven’t.

      As to your question; am I happy with this government performance?
      The simple answer is NO, but what makes me even more unhappy, is the fact I can see no viable alternative.  Most of those on the oppositions benches have been tried and failed.

      Moving on to state politics, in my case Queensland. I think our government is on the nose and I did not think this was possible.But I feel the LNP is worse.  In fact if you took in my view the best of both groups, they’d still be substandard.

    • Wayne Fehlhaber says:

      01:01pm | 08/03/10

      John Neve ,  ” the nation’s debt , is our debt ”  The national debt is LABOR’s debt John.  They ran up the debt in a lunatic Whitlamesque
      spending spree . The Keating govt. was sacked by us for RUNNING UP THE DEBT. Now we have Rudd running up a debt at a rate never before recorded.  $300 billion John , LABOR’s DEBT. which he will dump on the people to pay. They will not be amused,  as they did NOTask for it
      and Rudd certainly did not have the guts to tell them before the election,
      or after the election for that matter. I noticed that you did not point out to
      MACCA that Labor have retained a considerable section of Work Choices . 
      The grand ripoff of all was the so-called Pension increase .  He took away the quarterly Utilities Allowance and divided the annual amount by
      26 , then added it to the fortnightly pension as an increase. Labor governments have always regarded the electorate as stupid , but they are wise enough to gauge ” the NERD ” as a scoundrel.

    • John A Neve says:

      02:02pm | 08/03/10

      Wayne,

      Sadly there are people lilke you on both sides of politics, you work on the basis that if you tell a lie often enough, people will think it true.

      WMD, children overboard, I know nuthing about monies paid by the AWB, all lies. As is the so called “Labor Debt”, I repeat Wayne unless you can prove the money was misappropriated, it is our debt, the nations.
      Use a little bit of logic Wayne, it doesn’t hurt.

    • Old Clive says:

      02:23pm | 08/03/10

      Good bye folks! My minder has asked me to stop saying nasty things about equality and has also said that I should stick to the story, [so all things being equal{or nearly so}], I must go and have my afternoon nap and catch up with all those Labor supporters who live in Rudds dreamtime.I might even catch up with Gough and Kemlani.

    • Toby says:

      02:47pm | 08/03/10

      Without trying to be factious could someone please explain why this latest debt is so stigmatised?  I would have thought that being in debt to create infrastructure and help the economy would benefit Australia much more than selling off vast amounts of our assets for short term surplus. 

      Before anyone attacks me I do seriously want to know the answer to this question.

    • Wayne Fehlhaber says:

      02:56pm | 08/03/10

      JOHN NEVE : One thing i pride myself on is telling the truth. It is a shame you have resorted , as do ALL Labor posters eventually , to personal swipes.  Labor’s debt IS Labor’s debt . If you went to the shop & booked up $200 worth of goods or services , it is your debt. Rudd
      was trusted with the nation’s coffers , he betrayed that trust. The Rudd Labor govt. will leave a legacy of Labor’s debt for the next government to pay off.  Incidently John , can you explain to the readers just what situation Australia would have been in if the Howard/Costello govt.had left a huge debt for Labor with the G.F.C. about to strike. We would NOT have had the capacity to keep the country from a deep recession. We can thank the previous Liberal /National Coalition for that salvation.

    • John A Neve says:

      04:01pm | 08/03/10

      Wayne,

      Perhaps you’d like to point out where I have attacked you personally?
      Maybe then you could tell us just how the coalition paid of the national debt?
      As to the truth Wayne, your truth is open to debate.

    • Wayne Fehlhaber says:

      06:05pm | 08/03/10

      JOHN NEVE ,  you have , via your answers , painted yourself into the proverbial corner. Trapped , twisting , turning , looking for a way out ,
      twist the facts here , ignore the truth there , plead innocence , deny guilt . Must take a lot of practice John, but , you are still stuck in that corner old mate. Wet paint all round you , just have to take it on the chin, walk tall , yeeeeeechhhh !  Bright red for all to see !  Betrays you every which way you turn. Have to change that method of debate John.

    • Colin says:

      10:21pm | 08/03/10

      Toby@3:47pm - Your question about the current debt and why it is such a disaster cannot be quickly explained. But I’ll try for a quick overview.

      You wrote, “I would have thought that being in debt to create infrastructure and help the economy would benefit Australia”. This MIGHT be true, IF the borrowed money were spent on infrastructure that will generate a return. Examples - a new highway on a major transport route will increase efficiency = cost savings = higher profits. Expanded ports infrastructure will increase the no. of ships that can be loaded per week = higher profits. That sort of thing. ONLY infrastructure spending that genuinely generates a Return-on-Investment is “good”, and can justify borrowing money to build it. Why? Because the existence of the new infrastructure itself, helps to pay off the debt.

      Rudd has pissed away tens of billions on “infrastructure” that is NON-productive. School halls do not generate a return. Dodgy and/or poorly installed roof insulation does not add to the nation’s annual profits. $30m on failed broadband tenders, $13m on failed Grocerywatch websites (etc etc), none of these improve our capacity to pay back the borrowed money. That, in a nutshell, is the problem with Rudd’s spending. It’s “sounds good” at the time. But it is ALL an insane waste of money, in context of the needed Return-on-Investment.

      Worse.  The need to repay the debt acts as a dead-weight drag, an anchor on the economy in future.  As I posted above, the govt’s own estimates show $48.49 Billion in Interest-only costs over the next 4 years. Since not a cent of the borrowed money spent will actually improve our ability to repay the debt, every cent must come out of the existing/previous overall economy.  Instead of the borrowed money buying us another big beautiful Clydesdale to help pull the now-much-heavier beer wagon… we’ve only got a much-heavier beer wagon for the original team of horses to try and pull.

      You also mentioned “selling off assets for short term surplus”. Not sure how that comes into the current context, frankly. But if you’re saying the previous govt sold off assets for short term surplus, that would be disengenuous. The previous govt DID sell off some assets, yes.  They were also blessed with big revenues from a once-in-a-lifetime mining boom.  Now we must be fair, and recognise that much of all that went to paying off a $96 Billion debt inherited from the Keating govt. At the same time, they cocked up badly by blowing a heck of a lot on vote-buying, and shameful policies (IMHO) like the First Home Owners Grant, baby bonus, etc.  We could, and should, have been in even better shape when the GFC hit than we were.

      The scary part now is, what the hell have we got to sell off to pay down debt in future? Ownership of our natural resources? The wealth-of-the-nation still in the ground? That’s what we’re facing.

      Hope that helps.

    • John A Neve says:

      07:53am | 09/03/10

      Wayne,

      Forget the gibberish and just answer the questions. All this rubbish just makes you look a fool.

      If all you can do is name call, why try to debate?

    • Wayne Fehlhaber says:

      06:58pm | 09/03/10

      John Neve ,  i answered your last post addresed to myself.  Unfortunately , it seems the Punch Moderator deemed it to be unprintable . I must accept that decision. However , to get to the ” nuts & bolts ” of my reply , your assertion that i was telling lies is what i referred to as a personal swipe.  I may make mistakes John , but i don’t tell lies. Your other question needs no answer as it is meaningless.

    • John A Neve says:

      03:55pm | 10/03/10

      Wayne,

      How can asking you how the coalition paid off a national debt by “meaningless”?

      The trouble is with the party faithfull like yourself, you cannot think, you have to have a script.

    • Wayne Fehlhaber says:

      06:30pm | 10/03/10

      JOHN NEVE : Answer thisone old mate .  Rudd’s projected debt is estimated to be $300 billion. How will that debt be paid John ?
      It took Howard/Costello 6 years to repay Keating’s $96 billion debt.
      My grand kids children may be shouldering Labor’s debt. The Keating debt was repaid John , that was the end of that , but the Rudd madness is a differrent matter , it’s relevant , current , and needs an answer.

    • John A Neve says:

      09:24pm | 10/03/10

      Wayne,

      It will be difficult for any government to pay of our national debt. Reason the Howard government sold every thing but the kitchen sink to pay off our last national debt.

      To make matters worse they then leased back the public buildings they had sold for $1 billion at inflated rentals. Smart move I don’t think Wayne. Australian taxpeyers are renting what we once owned thanks to a short sighted coalition government.

      Thats why you did not answer my questions isn’t Wayne, but you people don’t feel shame do you?

    • Wayne Fehlhaber says:

      09:32am | 11/03/10

      JOHN NEVE :  Hmmm seems you have forgotten Labor’s federal sales old mate . Shall i list them here. ?  Better not ‘eh ?  It would make heavy reading wouldn’t it John. THIS is why i did not answer your question John , i knew you would fall into your own trap.
      Now as to government building rentals, heh heh heh , yes , in fact the A.L.P. purchased one of those buildings matey , and guess what ?
      they are renting it back to the government at a ridiculously inflated rate.
      Check it out ! makes great reading. !
      Just goes to show you should not throw stones if you live in a Labor house. Goodness me John ! you people are capable of anything.

    • John A Neve says:

      09:52am | 11/03/10

      Wayne,
      Excluding the banks which I accept was a bad move. Please do list for us what the Labor governments have sold off.

      Perhaps you could also tell us of a case where Labor sold off public assets and then straight away leased them back?

      Good on you old fellow, I know you have the LNP’s resources behind you so it won’t be hard.

    • Wayne Fehlhaber says:

      01:01pm | 11/03/10

      John Neve :  Major asset sales under the Howard/Costello govt. totalled
      46.1 Billion dollars , all of the proceeds , after balancing the 97-98 Budget went to retiring the $96 Billion Keating debt.
                      The Hawke/Keating govts. undertook major financial assets sales of $6.8 Billion,  none of which went to debt retirement. The entire proceeds were spent on recurrent expenses. After spending all the proceeds , the Hawke/Keating govt. still had to borrow to cover its shortfall.
                      When the Keating govt.sold Australian Airlines and Qantas,
      the Commonwealth lost the airlines and the proceeds in their entirety, and finished up borrowing more as well. The same applies to the sale of the Commonwealth Bank.
                      Part of the Commonwealth Bank was sold to fund Keating’s high deficit , as it was a convenient nest egg. Keating’s 1990 election promise that the bank would NOT be privatised was so much hot air. They sold the first Tranche of the bank in 1991 . By 1993 , the hypocracy register with voters went off the scale.
                    The Howard/Costello govt. set up the FUTURE FUND to recieve tax and asset sale revenue , $ 65 Billion plus when the Coalition left office. Without checking , i would venture to say that Rudd has cleaned that money out , just as he ran the Howard/Costello surplus in to a massive deficit then claimed HE saved Australia from recession.
                          We are all cognisant of the fact that without the Coalition’s good economic management leaving a budget in surplus ,
      a booming economy and the future fund containing Billions of dollars,
      Australia would have gone in to a deep recession.

    • John A Neve says:

      02:13pm | 11/03/10

      Wayne,

      Well done, I knew you and the LNP machine could do it.  But you haven’t answered my second question, have you?

      According to coalition supporters nothing either party did stop us from going into recession. Because according to coalition supporters, read here and other threads, Australia was never going into a reccession!!

      All this prove in my book Wayne, is that neither of the major parties are handling this countries financies well. One spends for the others lack of spending, the other cuts back to pay off the natiioan debt. The perfect Tweedle Dee, Tweedle Dum cycle.

      Both then offer the people tax cuts, which the country really cannot afford.  Just think Wayne you support this system !! Don’t you think Australia could do better?

    • Wayne Fehlhaber says:

      05:56pm | 11/03/10

      JOHN NEVE :  Well at least we agree on something John. Yes , of course Australia could do better than what both sides have put up as
      good government. However , i would prefer to be a part of the conservative side of politics , hoping that my small contribution will contribute to that better level of attainment Australia deserves. It is good to debate with you John & i find you to be a tough but capable adversary.
      No doubt we will continue to cross swords ( pens ?)  in the future.
                      Scott Rowe’s acknowledgement , in a recent issue of the Independent , of your efforts in the H.B. local area was excellent to see . I salute you John . Well done

    • Daniel says:

      07:36am | 08/03/10

      God these Liberals have learnt nothing and are so out of touch. Reading this article has shown me that the Greens need to be on the ground now campaigning hard now to make sure they never get back. Central casting is right though. Lets hope they never get back.

    • Christian Real says:

      10:01am | 08/03/10

      John A Neve 10.17am 08/03/10
      John, It is interesting how the coalition paid of the Nation’s debt, by cutting money for Hospitals, Health,Infastructure and Education, and that is why the ALP has a huge task ahead of them repairing the damage that the coalition created by the cutback and lack of funds that they ripped out of everywhere to create their huge surplusses that they gloated so much about during their 12 year reign.
      Australia has came out of the Global Financial Crisis better than most other Countries thanks to Kevin Rudd’s quick action he at lest avoided a reccession that no doubt would have occurred had he not started the stimulus package.
      The Howard government could have at least taken some action before the 2007 Federal election because they,themselves knew of the Global Financial Crises that was about to cause shockwaves around the World.
      Peter Costello, in October 2007 warned of a “huge Tsunami” that was about to engulf Global Financial markets, yet the Howard Government didn’t appear to take that advice onboard to stem the damage that the Global Financial Crises might cause to Australia, in fact it was left up to Kevin Rudd to fix up and address this problem, which he did with the introduction of the stimulus package.

    • Wayne Fehlhaber says:

      01:55pm | 08/03/10

      Christian , Australia weathered the G.F.C. because the Howard /Costello govt. left the economy in first class condition and a healthy surplus which gave Rudd the tools to defend our economy from devastation . He has gone overboard with continued crazy spending,
      driving up the debt to dizzying heights. Yes , Costello issued the ” TSUNAMI ” warning October 2007 , a matter of a few weeks before the election. Hardly the time to embark on a major economic task as they were then in CARETAKER mode. However , Rudd won the election and waited 12 months before taking any notice of what Costello had warned him of.  You see Christian , you are rushing off to the keyboard , saying
      silly things before research, slow down. !

    • asproella says:

      07:44am | 08/03/10

      I have noticed that you are running an ad on workchoices from the Unions,arn’t the PUNCH being a bit hypocritical by not running the story of all the workers losing WAGES, up to $350 a week out of their pay,under Gillards[ No-Choices industrial relations policy],?

    • preciouspress says:

      08:12am | 08/03/10

      Asproella, a wonderful example of those who believe everything written in the Telegraph. Please widen your reading.

    • Christian Real says:

      08:27am | 08/03/10

      preciouspress 09:12am 08/03/10
      Why,would anyone in their right mind believe a a politically motivated Liberal newspaper like the Daily Telegraph.?
      Some of the other media newspapers and radio talk back jocks appears also inclined to be one-sided and political motivated,by going into bat for ex-journalist Tony Abbott.

    • Macca says:

      09:32am | 08/03/10

      @Christian, maybe because the Punch is edited by a guy who used to run the DT?

      I dunno, to say newspapers are politically motivated implies that journalists have no minds of their own, or that editors only publish stories that match their own ideologies.

      If you’ve ever met someone who works in media you would know they are the worlds most ruthlessly independant people.

      Also, I’d say the newspaper of choice for Sydney’s North Shore is probably going to be the SMH. I reckon the DT would favour quite well in the western suburbs, i.e. Labor’s heartland.

      Keep the conspiracy against the left coming though. Or pull the blinkers off, either one…

    • Red Barron says:

      07:52am | 08/03/10

      Great stuff Tony. Even if you dont win you will give Rudd a huge shakeup and set up a win for 2013. Rudd is a Dudd and more and more people see that daily thanks to Tony Abbott !

    • Darren says:

      07:52am | 08/03/10

      wow - Tony is popular with Mosman liberals - I am shocked to hear that - is there a more waspish part of Australia than Mosman? down at the Harbord Hilton people like Tony - but wont vote for him!

    • Mick says:

      08:22am | 08/03/10

      I don’t think Tony is the best person for the job IMO. ( I prefer Joe Hockey)
      One thing the labor party and their sickle waving fans have failed to realise is that after Rudd and Conroy’s fantastic idea to build a firewall was announced, the very generation of Australians who supported them (remember Kevin07 and facebook crazyness) are now are fundamentally opposed to the Labor party and will vote it down solely on their firewall plans.

      The biggest threat to the Labor party isn’t Tony Abbott, it’s their own stupidity. This man cannot wait for the next election as old mate Kev and his friends are going to get a NASTY shock.

      If the Libreals had ANY commonsense they would jump on this and scream bloody murder to all and sundry, that alone would win them the youth vote and that would sweep them to power.

    • Patrick says:

      11:22am | 08/03/10

      Mick has it dead right. I voted Labor at the last Federal election, the first election which I was eligible to vote in, and now, along with many people my age who made the same vote, regret that decision entirely. It wasn’t just the FaceBook campaign that made Rudd win with the younger voters in 07, it was (in my view) primarily The Chaser which made John Howard look so ridiculous to younger voters (because a hell of a lot of us watched that show).

      Conroy was the biggest setback for younger voters since Labor has been in government though, he displayed the same attitude the previous government had of “For your own good, whether you like it or not!” which got John Howard turfed out in his final years. An internet filter “for the children” which is not an opt-in service for parents to choose to filter their child’s internet is completely stupid. Any kid who wants to see anything the filter blocks will be able to do so, with ease, and what’s more, it will make it “cool” to go around the filter in schools and download unsuitable images etc., just like it’s “cool” to smoke in school, or do any other risk-taking activity.

      It’s the filter policy, along with all the other big announcements and little substance (GroceryWatch, PetrolWatch, MySchool, etc) that have made the Rudd government appear foolish to the younger voters, but have most of all made us younger voters feel foolish, for electing the country’s leader because of a frigging Youtube and Facebook campaign, along with a slogan that rhymed. Hopefully we don’t fall for Kevin11.

    • OhBugga says:

      08:03am | 08/03/10

      I don’t think it was touching at all for Abbott to sit in a humpy with Aboriginal men . I think it was disgusting these poor people were used as a political stunt We all would like to elegant ladies and men of the North Shore , sipping champange and lamenting the woes of the day. But unfortunatly some of..well most of us, have to work. Nor can we afford the champange sipping , we are to busy trying to pay off morgages and credit card debt and just daily living. I have many friends in the USA and Great Briton and in Holland and we are still the envy of the world. The Liberals never listen to us and they never learn

    • asproella says:

      09:03am | 08/03/10

      Just like Kevin Rudd wheeling out Bernie Banton in an election yeah?Oh Bugga?

    • Jezabel says:

      10:21am | 08/03/10

      And I think it’s disgusting the way Rudd makes so many of his pronouncements in a classroom full of little children. AND CAMERAS!!

    • Macca says:

      11:46am | 08/03/10

      @Jezabel, or a hospital? to be honest, I don’t have a problem with this, making an announcement on the BER in a school, or Healthcare Reform in a hospital, that is pretty standard politics, not a real issue here.

      @OhBugga, if Abbott was doing it just for a political stunt he would have taken more than a single journo with him, or Piers Akerman at the very least. Its not as if he’s been on the newswaves trumpetting his 50km walk on friday for charity.

      Actions over words?

    • acker says:

      08:15am | 08/03/10

      Too few calling the shots for Labor, much like when Wayne Goss Labor lost the Queensland election when Kev Rudd was his advisor in the mid 90’s. Goss is now chair for “Free TV Australia” which just got a $250 million rebate back from the government.

      “Shortly before Christmas, the owners of the big three free-to-air commercial television networks, Seven, Nine and Ten, accompanied by Free TV Australia lobbyist and former Queensland ALP premier Wayne Goss met with Kevin Rudd at Kirribilli House. They cried poor and demanded corporate welfare for their “struggling” businesses.
      On February 7, $250 million in public funds were surrendered to the corporate television networks, under a licence subsidy by the federal government. The deal was announced by communications minister Stephen Conroy”

      And exerpt from Stu Harrisons article 06/03/2010 “Green Left”
      http://www.greenleft.org.au/2010/829/42630

      More Goss like political agenda from Rudd an exerpt from Mike Skeketee article 05/03/2010 “The Australian”

      “In 1995, Queensland premier Wayne Goss said: “What we will witness within a generation is the de facto, if not de jure, abolition of the states.” His prediction looks to be on track”

      http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/opinion/health-could-prove-terminal-for-the-states/story-e6frg6zo-1225837302469

      Goss was on the board of “Ingeus” the company Rudd’s wife Therese Rein is an executive director of, from 2003-2007 according to his wikipedia page

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayne_Goss

      http://www.ingeus.com/board.html

    • Bob H says:

      09:16am | 08/03/10

      Nice work AKA - the ingeus contracts for mates story will play out at some time - pollies they can’t keep their hands out of the till

    • Joe says:

      11:34am | 08/03/10

      Acker,  those same free to air channels received 8 years of the digital spectrum for free, without any licensing fees and without bidding at an auction that was open to competitors, from Senator Alston in the year 2000, under the Howard government.  Conroy, simply gave them one year for free, in comparison.

      While the industry does and did have some argument over the cost associated with having to switch to digital, regardless of who is chair of Free TV Australia, as not only did the government impose the highest quality digital format on the broadcasters, but also the most costly, which saw the entire industry having to replace every single piece of equipment in their inventory, which imposed massive costs on them.  Particularly as the equipment was extremely overpriced initially, thanks to the limited number of manufacturers and the low demand, as the the particular format which is used in Australia, differs from that in the US.

      Not that I support ‘jobs for the boys’, just perhaps is a bad example.  While, I would add it would of be fairer if all of those involved in the industry received compensation and not just the free to air broadcasters.

    • acker says:

      12:08pm | 08/03/10

      @Joe 12.34pm…..notably most of those 8 years you talk about were when Pay TV was virtualy non-existant in Australia. The media is a far different beast in 2010 than it was in 2000.

    • Joe says:

      01:20pm | 08/03/10

      Actually pay TV was far from non-existent between 2000 and 2008, in fact, it was their main period of growth.  Both Optus and Foxtel began in 1995 and around 25 percent of homes had subscriptions to Pay TV by 2002, with Optus losing customers since then and Foxtel having 1.3 million subscribers by the end of 2007, up from 1.1 million in 2006 and 800,000 in 2000. 

      While as people pay for Optus or Foxtel, their revenues have increased during that same time, while in comparison the free to airs have lost audience and advertising revenues, which is part of their argument for compensation.  The government also does not mandate what type of signal or how the pay tv operators broadcast, meaning it was their own choice to switch to digital and incur the costs that involved.

      Although I certainly agree the media is far different now, mainly because of the internet, but my point remains, criticizing Labor for doing the very same thing that the Coalition did, for even longer, whilst they were in government, isn’t that fair and shows it is a problem not only with Labor.  After all, really, it was the Liberals who justified the free to airs claim to compensation, having waived the fees for the previous 8 years, so of course is going to be a financial burden when they suddenly have to pay.

      I do agree though, if they were going to compensate one group, in this case free to air broadcasters, they should have compensated all of them, not to mention producers and others, who have had to switch to digital as well.

    • preciouspress says:

      08:18am | 08/03/10

      A very good descriptive piece by Pembo has again flushed out those who rely upon the Murdoch press and the Jones/Hadley/Mitchell daily rants to feed their prejudices.

      Here’s to their alienation to Labor governments. Long may it last.

    • Chase Stevens says:

      08:51am | 08/03/10

      This is the Murdoch press.

    • Macca says:

      09:38am | 08/03/10

      Lol Preciouspress.. such a fail!

    • Bruce says:

      08:30am | 08/03/10

      Political history tells us Tony Abbott can not win the next election. The labor party would would have to seriously, seriously drop the ball. Like all political parties the labor party has had a few stumbles, but not enough to loose an election.

    • Gaby says:

      01:05pm | 08/03/10

      Here is an idea :
      We can round up all the homeless put them into boats and sail them around to Christmas Island ,they can throw away their papers and claim economic hardship. Seems a good idea to me since Labor is hosting yet another 2 boats as of yesterday. Over 70 million dollars worth so far so, why don’t we do that?
      how is that for a stumble?

    • acker says:

      08:49am | 08/03/10

      Perhaps if Kev talks to his wife Therese he may be able to change the current (^) shaped heirarchy structure to Therese’s prefered (v) shaped heirarchy structure

      “Our organisation chart defies the traditional. Our organisation chart is inverted – more like a ‘V’.
      Our frontline workers are not at the bottom, they are at the top; along with the jobseekers they
      support. Beneath the advisors are their managers, and beneath these managers are the next level
      of managers. The final layer is our Managing Director and our Board, whose job it is to support and
      enable everyone above them”

      Page 37 of Threse’s company Ingeus’s 2005/2006 annual reveiw

      http://www.ingeus.com/pdf/ingeus_annual_06.pdf

    • Christian Real says:

      08:51am | 08/03/10

      OhBugga 09:03am 08/03/10
      OhBugga, I agree with what you have written in your comments, and as a person of Aboriginal origin, I too see this outback adventure of Tony Abbott as a cheap political stunt. Tony Abbott is a clever and manipulating opportunist, and nothing that he says or does would ever convince me otherwise.
      In 12 years of being part of the former Liberal government, how many times did Tony Abbott visit our people and talk with them?How many times during his 12 year stint with the former Liberal government did Tony Abbott stand up in Parliament as our people’s advocate and address their plight and their needs?
      Tony Abbott is the man who dreams of becoming Prime Minister and he is using our people to make out that he is doing something for them, when he actually isn’t.
      If Tony Abbott cared about our people, why didn’t he come out strongly and advocate for them while he was part of the former Liberal government for 12 years?
      Why is Tony Abbott deadset about overturning the wild rivers act so that mining can be allowed in the pristine wilderness and wild rivers areas of the far North?
      Why is Tony Abbott against “Sorry Day” and other Aboriginal things being taught in schools across Australia?
      Tony Abbott is akin to a chameleon, he changes to what ever policy stunt suits his agenga.

    • acker says:

      09:15am | 08/03/10

      You might have escaped your attention he was never Indigenous Affairs Minister while the coalition was in government. It also seems to escaped your attention that Abbott spent 10 days as a teachers aide in Aurukun last year. Has Rudd ever spent the night in an indegenous community or perhaps even consecutive nights ????

      “Tony Abbott
      Thursday, August 20, 2009 at 02:01pm

      “Canberra politics seem very remote to the people of Aurukun on Cape York. For the past few days, I’ve been working as a type of teacher’s aide in this township of 1300 indigenous people about 160 kilometres south of Weipa. My role has mainly been helping in remedial reading classes and visiting the homes of children who have missed school”

      http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/yoursay/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/my_lessons_from_remote_australia

    • asproella says:

      01:34pm | 08/03/10

      Tony abbott and Mal brough has spent more time with indigenous people than any other pollies ...he went there to check if Maclan is spending money on houses Where are the millions going alloted to build the houses,?you are from an aboriginal back ground are your people getting the houses that taxpayers are paying for or is it just another Rudd stunt.?If so how many and where are they .???

    • Chase Stevens says:

      08:55am | 08/03/10

      Anyone other than another Howard and I’ll be happy. If Turnbull (Or anyone that was a real liberal, not a conservative wannabe)  were still Leader of the Op, I would have voted Liberal. I suppose I’ll have to vote for the lesser of two evils.

    • Wayne Fehlhaber says:

      09:05am | 08/03/10

      Forget political history , forget traditional trends , the Australian electorate is currently highly volatile and if that volatility carries over to the federal election,
      Labor may well be removed from office.
      When ” political stumbles ” , as some like to term Labor’s mismanagement ,
      result in deaths, such as the foil insulation fiasco , the electorate ” sits up & takes notice. “
      The failure of Rudd to dismiss Peter Garrett was a BIG mistake. The Rudd hospital plan is extremely complex and depends on the states abilities to
      raise their 40% share from their one third reduced G.S.T. revenue. This will massively reduce their capacity to fund state responsibilities. State taxes will have to be raised which is a very unpleasant prospect with the state Labor Premiers.  A mother of all battles is looming between the states & Rudd.
      Yes , it IS possible for the Rudd government to have one term only.

    • julia says:

      09:08am | 08/03/10

      David, are you writing a mills and boon or a piece about a meeting? do we need to know that persons quoted drink champagne?

      Why didn’t you just tell them to rattle their jewellry and be a full-on Latham?

    • what a joke says:

      09:20am | 08/03/10

      sorry mrs youl but not every australian has the sip of champaigne like most liberal supporters and Tony Abbott will finish this countries democratic values as howard just about did. we are heading towards dictatorship with abbott and liberal supporters dont care as long as they have money in their bank accounts and can sip champaigne cause they have no morals apart from making money.

    • Macca says:

      09:48am | 08/03/10

      Compared to a party that stands for wasting money?

      Of course, thats why Howard stayed as PM for over a decade, so he could earn money

    • Mick says:

      09:56am | 08/03/10

      A dictatorship under a liberal government?

      come on, pull the other one.

      The labor party was evaluated by the CIA in the 50’s and determined to be so rife with intelligence leaks that they assigned it the status of being a member of the USSR! ( Hence the creation of ASIO)

      Oh and don’t forget about Labors Internet Filter to protect the kids, that doesn’t actually protect the kids, but lets the ACMA ban what they feel like without having to explain it to anyone, ever.

    • Evan Findlay says:

      10:17am | 08/03/10

      Sorry Macca but he stayed on to waste as much as possible. Even Costello tried to hide the bottom line from him so he wouldn’t continue to blow it on inflationary, middle class welfare.

    • Jason says:

      10:26am | 08/03/10

      What an irony! Dictatorship, yeah that’s what will happen if Rudd keeps running the country. His desire to tell us how to live our lives (what we watch on tv, what we eat, what websites we can visit) screams of life in China.

    • Julia says:

      02:21pm | 08/03/10

      I seem to remember a drunk Gareth Evans - then foreign minister and soon to be mistress of a certain woman who defected to Labor - holding a glass of champagne and dancing with Roz-how-clean-is-my-whiteboard-Kelly prior to the 1996 election.

      People drink champagne. Cath and Kim drink it. It isn’t a classist drink anymore.

    • sean says:

      09:27am | 08/03/10

      A pro Liberal STORY with lots and lots of pro Liberal comments that get published.Showing your true colours Telegraph biased reporting never looked so biased keep it up .No wonder your readership is falling and will keep on falling until you report the facts instead of putting your biased spin on it.

    • Macca says:

      09:45am | 08/03/10

      Read it again, I thought it was quite fair, Penbo even took the piss out of some of the beehives and other mosman members.

      I think its amazing that Sean thinks this is biased towards the Libs and PreciousPress thinks it biased towards Labor.

      Take the glasses off fellas

    • Carl Palmer says:

      09:30am | 08/03/10

      The current mob can’t bat, bowl or install a pink bat. Yes they have and quite rightly so, accepted responsibility and overseen the waste of public monies which will continue for who knows how long.  These same people will also have the responsibility of building a nuclear storage facility. One thing is for sure, they will either stuff it up, blow billions or both. It will be the latter.

    • Matthew Dee says:

      09:42am | 08/03/10

      It sounds like it was a good night I would have liked to have been there. I’m a swinging voter always have been. To me a swinging voter is someone who’s vote is based on party policy and performance at the time of an election.

      I voted Paul Keating to power way back then, and I have never considered casting a vote for the Labor party since. It seems whatever Labor politicians touch, it turns to dust, costs the tax payers billions of dollars and then they (the Labor faithful) erect monuments and parks in their honor. I only hope and silently pray there are enough intelligent swinging voters who between them can put an end to the insanity that is our current Federal government.

      Never in my 37 years of casting my vote at every election have I witnessed a federal government of such ineptitude as the current one led by KRudd

    • Old Clive says:

      03:19pm | 08/03/10

      I agree, and I have been voting for 55 years, both for labor and the coalition but I learnt my lessons with Gough and never thought it would be repeated, how wrong can one person be3.

    • Hayden Coonan says:

      10:11am | 08/03/10

      I have to say I watched with a smirk all the attacks on Garrett/Rudd over the insulation scandal..  Following the logic, why wasn’t Abbott sacked during his time as health minister for all the deaths in hospitals due to doctor incompetence?  Short term memory problems, Libs..

    • Lulu says:

      10:33am | 08/03/10

      This has to be one of the cruelest comments I have ever read. Our doctors & nurses are NOT untrained fly by nights. They are highly professional & in most cases compassionate people who do a fantastic job under extreme pressure. And how dare you use the sick & dying to push your political agenda in this way.  Are you a communits? Because this is how communist cadres behave!

    • acker says:

      10:50am | 08/03/10

      Why not hold Paul Keating accountable for every negative outcome that occured due to Senator Bob Collins his Cabinet Minister for Transport and Communications ?

    • Neville says:

      11:13am | 08/03/10

      Hayden - you need to get your facts right. The STATES run the hospitals, not the Feds. The State Labor premiers spent all of Howard’s GST on their re-election campaigns instead of patient care - which is the ONLY reason why Labor States have lasted the past 10 years (Rann in SA spent milions duplicating trams, not enough on hospitals). So those deaths you refer to are the responsibilty of the State Health Depts, and certainly not on hard-working doctors. Rudd will certainly WASTE that 30% of GST on another layer of bureaucracy, not patient out-comes. Labor have always failed on Health!

    • Carl Palmer says:

      12:09pm | 08/03/10

      With you Lulu -

      “doctor incompetence” . Please go somewhere else for your healthcare.  Our healthcare is one of the best in the world and for mine I am happy with their performance. You are a very poorly informed individual.

    • Carl Palmer says:

      12:40pm | 08/03/10

      And another thing – I had the privilege to have lunch yesterday with a professor who was recently awarded an OAM for his services to medicine. He received a call late yesterday afternoon – well after lunch had finished (and he wasn’t on call) and promptly and politely excused himself and his wife to attend to his patient.

      These people are superstars who don’t need people like you to post ignoramus statements. The scary and sad thing is that you most probably vote – donkey no doubt.

    • David Rose says:

      12:43pm | 08/03/10

      Neville, yes the States do run the hospitals,  but there is a Doctor who is about to stand trial for the death of some patients in a Queensland hospital. The only reason why he came to Australia was through a scheme cooked up by the Howard Govt with Tony Abbott as Health Minister, and the Govt was warned about this scheme, just as the current Govt was warned about the insulation scheme. So if we apply the Tony Abbott logic that aplied to Peter Garrett, then when these deaths came to light,  Tony Abbott should have been sacked, for running a scheme that resulted in the deaths of patients due to one incompetent doctor.

    • Evan Findlay says:

      06:41pm | 08/03/10

      And Neville, the Liberal party has never been interested in health, let alone funding it.

    • Hayden Coonan says:

      10:49pm | 08/03/10

      by means of reply - I certainly did not mean disrespect to the medical profession.  But it does have the bad seeds among it, like any other profession.  What of the thousands of workers in insulation that are trained and considerate and professional?  They’re losing out because of these illtrained fly by nighters too..

      My comment was more to say that if Abbott wants to point the finger, he needs to have a perfect past.. He doesn’t.  No one does..

    • Neville says:

      10:35am | 08/03/10

      It is inevitable that Labor will lose the next election because every one of their policies is a failure. The new Hospitals policy is just a tax reform (which now means Rudd relies on Howard’s GST) - there is not one iota of patient outcome in it! The States owned the Hospital system and they were all Labor States mis-using the GST! Broadband will be a failure because there is not enough revenue or demand for that sort of broadband - WIRELESS/MOBILE is the future not cables. And Rudd will destroy Telstra in the meantime because he knows NBN can’t survive without it. Computers in Schools is a fiasco. Gillards IR laws are WORSE that WorkChoices! Green Loans is a fiasco. Insulation is a DANGEROUS fiasco. ETS shows how foolish Wong and Rudd were to politicise even the weather!! Abbott saved Australia just on that one! And there’s more e.g. DEBT - who’s going to pay for all this?? Liberals will win EASILY!!

    • Evan Findlay says:

      11:18am | 09/03/10

      Wireless/ mobile broadband is not the future. It’s too slow and less reliable. It has a place but it will never replace to the node. But if you actually read or researched anything about the topic you wouldn’t be posting ill informed rubbish. And bringing Telstra back down to earth is a good thing. Under Howard Telstra was able to run a monopoly on telecommunications. There was no competition. But of course if Howard allowed competition in the market place he would not have been able to rip off mum and dad investors for $7.60 a share. The ETS is still more popular polling at nearly 60% compared to Abbott’s waste of 45 billion dollars for no results. “Business as usual” as Tony would say. And Greg Hunt still hasn’t ruled out returning to an ETS anyway. And why wouldn’t he, his thesis was about the merits of such a system.

      And Abbott just keeps changing his tune. First of all he claimed the ETS was a great big tax, even though four months ago he agreed with it. His alternative is just that… a tax, just with less outcomes and no incentives. Two years ago he declared that under a coaltion government there would be no paid maternity leave, “over my dead body”, now there’s a thought. Now he is introducing a policy with massive consequences for employment, investment and productivity that puts the burden of fiscal responsibility onto the bottom line of big business. Yes, you guessed it,  ” A great big tax”. And only two weeks ago at a business conference in Brisbane he was stating that there would be no new taxes under a coalition government. So to keep his promise he has called his ” Great big tax,” a levy. Well then it’s a “Great big levy”

    • loxy says:

      11:01am | 08/03/10

      I nearly choked at Howard’s quotes in this article, how on earth would he know what resonates with the Australian people? Howard lost the last election by a landslide because he was so out-of-touch with the Australian people and the liberals should stay well clear of him.

      As for Abbott, this article makes it fairly clear who he resonates with - older, wealthy, retired folk. With his narrow-minded, old-fashioned & sexist views, Abbott, just like Howard, is very unlikely to appeal to generation X and below. The younger people of this country want want this country to move forward and move away from the traditional Christian views - and this is not something Abbott is likely to deliver. Rudd, although also a traditional Christian, generally holds more appeal for the younger generations.
      Personally I will be voting for Rudd again next election and not because I think he is doing a great job but because I would rather anyone than Abbott.

    • Macca says:

      11:50am | 08/03/10

      @Loxy, Did you miss Q&A? Gen Y demolished Rudd.

      And to say that a government that is introducing internet filtering will resonate well with young people seems misinformed.

    • Andrew says:

      11:55am | 08/03/10

      SO what do you think Abbott would do as PM? Ban abortion, introduce a hard line industrial relations platform, cut funding to health, schools, roads etc?
      Really, you need to understand the political process a bit better and maybe try to take the personalities out of the debate.
      Forget about Rudd vs Abbott and think about Liberal vs Labour.
      Labout is the government that promises everything and delivers only three things, increased government, decreased productivity and massive public debt. Do your research, These are not statements of opinion they are historical fact.
      Last election Howard was on the nose and because of his hubris refused to acknowledge it.
      Labour pounced on the zeitgeist and presented a carefully constructed facade. A fresh approach, a new hope. They were not prepared to govern and their massive failure on almost every pre election promise is testament to that fact. The GFC has been a political boon for Labor. They have been able to claim they guided Australia through a predominantly Western hemisphere recession by spending significant amount of public money and at the same time excuse all of there policy failure with “we’re not using the GFC as an excuse but…”.
      It’s great political strategy but incredibly bad government.
      Having said that it is hard to see labor losing the next election. My thoughts, for what they’re worth, are that it will be a close run thing with labor just getting over the line (possibly on the back of green preferences). Rudd and labor’s popularity will continue to fall. Rudd will leave mid term and Gillard will be elevated in the hope that people will think she will be different. It has worked for labor in Qld, NSW and Vic, why not federally?

    • GreenFrog says:

      12:24pm | 08/03/10

      I fully agree Loxy John Howard had plenty of opportuntiy to say ‘i am sorry” he refused. I thought that was pathetic. My family were transported her to Tasmania. 7 year hard labour for stealing half a pound of butter. I know my family would never do anything to hurt anyone. But the amount of sorrow I felt for the suffering our Aborigninal people went through laid heavy on my heart. I am genuinlly sorry and I believe this was just a publicity stunt for Tony Abbott. I actually felt sorry for that witchy grub, he never even killed it first he just ate the poor thing alive. That may be traditional Aboriginal food but its not ours. A bit of kindness for any animal does not kill you.

    • Evan Findlay says:

      01:03pm | 08/03/10

      Andrew it was under Howard that productivity slumped to it’s lowest figures. Do your research

    • Andrew says:

      01:44pm | 08/03/10

      Evan,
      So you think productivity was higher under Whitlam and Keating. Pfft, do your research.

    • loxy says:

      02:08pm | 08/03/10

      Andrew - thanks for your insinuations that I know nothing about the political process, but in actual fact I do know how it works and I think it ignorant to think that the head of the party’s personality plays no role in whether people vote for that party. The leader guides the direction of that party and their beliefs most definitely impact the party’s policies. And it is Abbott’s beliefs that I’m fundamentally opposed to. If you want an example, Abbott doesn’t believe in climate change. As such, the liberals policy on lowering emissions is pathetic and will not bring about any change in emissions whatsoever. I don’t like a lot of Rudd’s ETS plan either but at least it WILL lower emissions.

      As for whether Abbott will cut funding to health, schools etc - of course he will as that is what Liberal always do, it has always been their policy to be stingy on funding for the essential things a country needs. And on abortion, I’m simply not taking the risk of putting someone who is so opposed to it in power. For me, voting for Rudd is the lesser of two evils.

      Macca - I saw Q&A and you’re right - Rudd bombed. The internet sensorship laws also sucks I agree. However, as I said above, for most voting is about the lesser of two evils. How rarely do we ever actually like the pollie we vote for or actually have trust in that person to do a good job? I just happen to think that when it comes to the crunch, those who are on the younger side and are looking for this country to take a more progressive and less conservative direction will vote Rudd over Abbott.

    • Evan Findlay says:

      11:29am | 09/03/10

      Yes Andrew it was higher under Keating. Try reading a book sometime, preferably with words.

    • Andrew says:

      12:46pm | 09/03/10

      Evan, thanks for the Keating heads up and the literacy insult. Just remind me again, how high did interest rates get to under Paul “Banana Republic” Keating, 15, 17, 19%?
      Thanks for the lesson Evan, clearly Labor..hee hee hee… have ...ha .ha ha… outstanding economic credentials. (sorry can’t type anymore, sides are splitting ..heeheeheeheee….)

    • Gordon Akman says:

      11:26am | 08/03/10

      Tony is polling a lot better than I thought he would. I thought he would be more polarizing and not get high levels of support from independent voters. However, Rudd will win the next election. Many Australians still seem to be happy putting John Howard down. Interest rates will go much higher, debt will get much higher, and people will lose their homes and businesses. More examples of gross waste like the home insulation scheme will occur. Eventually the labor government will fall for the same reason it fell in 1996 - people simply can’t afford to have them in power.

    • Macca says:

      11:57am | 08/03/10

      Tend to agree with you GA, although there is still the opportunity for Labor to throw away the demons of the past and rescue the economy when the boom returns. There is still a Howard-like nature to the Coalition at the moment and many swinging voters are unlikely to respond to this

      In General, Australians won’t throw a Government out when interest rates are below 7%. Labor should win easily.

      Rudd has struggled in his first term (as did Howard), but I think all Abbott can hope for is to win back a few seats and undo some of the damage from 2007.

    • Peter of Adelaide says:

      11:52am | 08/03/10

      An interesting article spoiled by catty comments denigrating the Liberals but that would equally apply to the Labor side of politics. e.g.;  Commenting on beehive hairdos and pearls.  Also there would be beehive hairdos and pearls on the Labor side as well as plenty of wealthy people on the Labor side.

      A gallery comparing Rudd to Yeltsin would be interesting.

      The only time I hear that the Liberals consider they are the ” natural party of government ” is in comments from the Labor and media.

      I think Tony Abbott and the Coalition will win.  They are genuine, competent, capable and a refreshing change from the Rudd/Gillard Government which is a real dud. All spin and no or few outcomes that will stand the test of time, except for the rapidly increasing huge Labor debt

    • Darren says:

      11:52am | 08/03/10

      Displaying all the arrogance that people hate about the liberals. Of course they were going to get the reception they wanted in Mosman, old farts with old money who have blue blood. If he wanted to test his popularity why not hold his shin dig at Blacktown, Newcastle or the Central Coast where people still remember workchoices. What a show he put on on 60 minutes last night. Could not have been more scripted.

    • GB says:

      01:21pm | 08/03/10

      Hilarious Darren, if you want to talk about scripted, stage managed circuses, look no further than Captain Earwax and his appearances on Sunrise, or that Left Wing loony fest masquerading as entertainment, Good News Week. Oh, and by the way, you seem to be in the know, which safe Labor seat has McDermott made a deal to be the ALP candidate for once his pathetic show is axed? As for Abbott, other than talking with his mouthful at the family BBQ, I thought he came across pretty well on 60 Minutes. He ain’t perfect but I’ll take him over the current spin merchant any day.

    • jed says:

      11:55am | 08/03/10

      what a choice. i’m ashamed to be on the electoral roll.

    • acker says:

      12:11pm | 08/03/10

      @jed 12.55pm…....perhaps you should consider immigrating to India if your ashamed to be part of the Australian democracy.

    • luke09 says:

      12:05pm | 08/03/10

      Kevin Rudd’s time is up, Tony Abbott is not his only threat, It won’t be long now when Greg Combet and Julia Gillard start sounding out how much support they have to replace PM Rudd. The unions will probably be reluctant to massively fund another campaign with Rudd as leader.

      The general public now see Kevin Rudd for the fake he is, and the many failed policies wasting Billions of taxpayers monies is no longer acceptable. The stance on the health system takeover by Kevin Rudd acting as the good guy against the bad guys (labor party states) shows how desperate he is to fool the voting public.

      He’s knows he is losing faith with the voters and once that disappears he is gone because he has no allies in Federal ALP.  oh oh

    • Macca says:

      01:52pm | 08/03/10

      Combet and Gillard come from different sides of the Party, without Rudd and Swan, they wouldn’t agree on anything.

      The main reason Combet is given all of Rudd’s glorious fixing jobs is to keep Gillard in check and ensure the numbers don’t fall too far in her favour (think Turnbull v Abbott.)

      If Gillard takes over, Combet is gone.

    • Evan Findlay says:

      06:36pm | 08/03/10

      Strange luke09, what about the polls that have Rudd twenty points ahead as preferred PM. The same polls have Labor as the most reliable to lead the economy. In the last Newspoll Labor would have picked up four to six seats. Are these polls irrelevant?

    • Bug Catcher says:

      12:22pm | 08/03/10

      It is so typical of Labor to crank up an old advert for work choices leading up to an election.
      They have picked a desperate single mother type, with a cranky face full of hatred and anguish [No wonder her husband left her]  to make us feel “Oh poor her and her children”
      When I saw the ad last night I thought, Oh No, not this crap again.
      Is this all the Labor part can come up with…..wow scary stuff!!

      We know that Tony isn’t ‘Gods Gift to Politics’  but he may just have a few fresh good ideas and after seeing him on 60 Minutes last night, he is a very sincere man with a lovely conservative family.
      Rudd is walking around at the moment with a stupid forced smile that he has obviously been told to adopt because of his previous smart arse scowl.

    • Prosperous Future says:

      12:46pm | 08/03/10

      I think they hit the nail on the head. Abbott is real and doesn’t subscribe to outlandish policies that he overhears at a shopping centre. He has my vote along with many others. It’s time to go Rudd! You have RUINED this country! Now back to work to pay off the Labor debt!

    • Voice of Reason says:

      01:00pm | 08/03/10

      I can smell the mothballs from the photographs.The lib’s stuck in a 50’s vacum with no way out.
      Facts are GFC OZ A1 economic performance low unemployment and stimulus keeping people in work with recovery underway.Result another Lib loss.
      Oh How the tory zealots hate a successful ALP government may they enjoy another 3 terms in the political wilderness.
      LIBS= Losers About time you all pay your fair share of Tax.Parasites!

    • Radical Chick says:

      01:11pm | 08/03/10

      The thing that strikes me most is the sense of being real. Tony gives his opinions with his own words, sometimes he gets into trouble, but he is not scared of giving an opinion….of being a real person.
      At the same time you ask yourself who is Krudd?? What are his real opinions?? Everything he says seems to have been through a focus group first. He never gets into trouble as his opinions were already tested in focus groups but at the same time he looks a lot more like those ventriloquist dolls…..like something that is just not real…
      And Kevin’s results are really bad. Let’s hope that his Government is voted out come next election.
      I don’t think I can hear what he says anymore.

    • John from Sydney says:

      01:36pm | 08/03/10

      “It is Tony Abbott’s 93rd day as Leader of the Liberal Party and he’s being cheered as a hero”

      For heavens sake - Why??

      Done nothing - said nothing - promised nothing.

      And by having John Howard stand next to him supposed to impress me?
      The man who not only lost the last election, but was humiliated by losing his own seat! Am I supposed to be impressed??
      Good grief….

    • Andrew says:

      01:52pm | 08/03/10

      “Done nothing - said nothing - promised nothing”

      John, I’d rather have a guy who underpromises and overdelivers than a guy who promises everything and delivers nothing.

    • Far Canal says:

      02:14pm | 08/03/10

      @ Andrew….my words exactly.

    • Carl Palmer says:

      06:16pm | 08/03/10

      If you read Battlelines you will understand where he is coming from.

      The announcements thus far are not new they were documented 12+ months ago.

      As health minister he was the one who recommended to the Howard cabinet that the Feds take over the hospitals but was rolled. His thinking was spot on but the move radical which in reality is what the health system needs.

      As leader, he has the courage of his convictions and the willingness to make it happen. As leader, he has the courage of his convictions and the willingness to make it happen.  When he becomes PM it will be interesting to see the reaction of the states. Times are a changing.

    • I'm no fool says:

      01:48pm | 08/03/10

      Tony Abbott has my vote. I cry when I see what has happened to this wonderful country over the last forth years.

    • Evan Findlay says:

      06:43pm | 08/03/10

      Two of those years you refer to were under Howard! What is your point?

    • John from Sydney says:

      02:32pm | 08/03/10

      Hey…..I’m no fool…...Hey go and live in America.
      It’s soo much better there!!
      Here in Australian we have rampant unemployment - Riotiing in the streets - Moral depravity - things are absolutely out of control!
      And it’s all happened in the past two years since Labor.
      Hang on - or has it???

    • I'm no fool says:

      09:40am | 09/03/10

      They was a typo in my comment. “forth” instead of “forty.”.

      John from Sydney: you really are a tosser.  Did I refer to America?

    • playing politics says:

      02:34pm | 08/03/10

      “im no fool”

      what has happened that is so bad to this wonderful country over the last forth (sic) years? what has happened? are you out of work? on the streets? paying more on your morgage? well guess what… its life and no government would do it better they just talk bs over and over and people like you try blame someone for something in life as its turning out to be the australian way unfortunately. but to me the last 4 years have gone by without me crying over what labour has done to this country as if the liberals where in power i dont see much that would be different. people should get on with their lives and not be fooled by all the publicity and just vote on the day of the election and take it from there. i would be crying if i lived in iraq or afghanistan or perhaps iran. then maybe you would realise how lucky we actually are in this country and it wont matter who is in government labour or liberal as neither would of stopped a global financial crisis but id say that abolishing work choices may have helped keep unemployment a little lower then if it were in place if howard won the last election but again my life wont stop because of these puppets in office.

    • I'm no fool says:

      04:34pm | 09/03/10

      playing politics: Do not ram your opinion down my throat. I’m retired “self funded”. I own my house plus two investment properties outright. All gained through sheer hard work and long hours over the years. I completed a five year apprenticeship through Vickers Cockatoo Docks and Engineering Co.Pty.Ltd as a Boilermaker Over the years working on Oil Rigs,Gas Pipe lines and Comalco Weipa ect.
      I’ve have seen what the Labor State and Federal governments and Trade Unions have destroyed for over forty years you bloody tosser. Now they call for skilled immigration,why, they were responsible for the closure and privatization of State and Commonwealth owned utilities that produced thousands of highly qualified trades persons.every year. Try and get your son a decent apprenticeship now a days.

    • John from Sydney says:

      02:49pm | 08/03/10

      Hey Andrew…
      At the end of the day - You vote Liberal. I vote Labour. Neither of us are going to change a Government. It’s those who are the swinging voters that will. It’s all just one big con anyway. The game of politics run by experts - Politicians.
      And the media circus who get caught up in it and by it.
      Anyway - the footy starts this weekend. Go the Dragons….

    • Seano says:

      03:12pm | 08/03/10

      They were “sensing” victory before the last election and lost in a landslide so bad their beloved leader lost his seat. They predicted an avalanche of land calims after the Sorry day, still waiting for that to happen. All this story has done is to highlight once again that conservatives love a prediction, it’s reality they’re not too keen on.

    • Chewy says:

      04:02pm | 08/03/10

      I noticed the ‘dont go back to work choices’ advertisement on punch, to start advertising this early Labor and the unions must be worried.

    • Lesley says:

      06:31pm | 08/03/10

      He’s preching to the converted.Chewy isn’t Abbott advertising already with all his stunts?

    • Helen says:

      07:52pm | 08/03/10

      Can someone please explain to me how the country has been “ruined” by the labor party? There was a worldwide recession last year which was averted very cleverly by Rudd because he was quick to act. The spending he did was necessary otherwise we would be in a major mess now.
      Rudd didn’t spend money unnecessarily like Howard with his handouts (clearly done around election time) and who could forget his famous line about being the workers’ best friend as he arrogantly went about getting rid of any rights they had with he terrible Workchoices plan. How much money do you think it cost tax payers to initiate this failed plan not to mention all of our money spent on the Pacific solution (designed to hide all those illegal refugees from the media and the like). The list is endless.
      And to say that Abbott is a real person? What planet are some people on? The man is arrogant and stupid. Instead of spending all that time and money on self-promotion (be it eating grubs or donning speedos) why doesn’t he tell the people of Australia what HIS policies actually are? Or perhaps he realises that there are quite a few superficial voters out there.

    • Evan Findlay says:

      10:39am | 09/03/10

      150 million dollars they spent on advertising and pushing their workchoices agenda. Absolute disgrace. Economic charlatans.

    • Andrew says:

      12:58pm | 09/03/10

      Brr Brr Brr .. (trumpet sounds) .. “All hail Rudd the Savior”. Ha ha ha.
      If you think it was Rudd’s stimulus waste that saved the economy, I have a bridge to sell you.
      He was left with the strongest economic foundations in the developed world by a government who properly managed the economy.
      Further, and give credit where credit is due, the accords struck by the Hawke/Keating government and the introduction of compulsory super provided the framework to withstand the western hemisphere financial crisis.
      The governments for the previous 20 years protected the Australian economy Rudd and Swan merely benefited from previous sound liberal fiscal responsibility. Although they still managed the usual labor trick of spending more than they earn and leaving a massive debt for the next liberal government to clear for them.
      As for your personal attacks on TA, you need to grow up. Are you seriously saying that because a bloke wears speedos he is not worthy of your vote? How is it you have the hide to refer to other voters as superficial?

    • RMS says:

      08:16pm | 08/03/10

      Your such a cynical tosser Penberthy.

    • cybacaT says:

      10:40pm | 08/03/10

      Abbott is a breath of fresh air - a pollie who actually calls it as he sees it, an old-fashioned straight shooter, and someone who you know where he stands.  His fitness regime is a great example to a country where 75% of adults are now obese.  What an amazing contrast with the shifty, lying, self-serving, gobbledygook-talking Rudd!

    • Seano says:

      07:12am | 09/03/10

      “Abbott is a breath of fresh air - a pollie who actually calls it as he sees it, an old-fashioned straight shooter”.

      An old-fashioned liar too apparently. A promise of “no new taxes” followed by a massive tax on big business to fund a policy clearly aimed at buying back voters he’d previously alienated .

      If Tony keeps putting his foot in it big business is going to run out of cash real soon.

    • Andrew says:

      06:57am | 09/03/10

      While I am no fan of Rudd or his ministers,  the idea of Tony Abbott running the country with his bigoted, sexist 1950’s outlook gives me the absolute horrors.

    • Bluey says:

      08:15am | 09/03/10

      What Seano and Andrew said. Luv ya work, fellers.

    • ben says:

      08:15am | 09/03/10

      Ha, imagine this Liberal shindig with it’s perched lip chardonnay drinking members all giving each other pats on the bum for learning nothing from their last election loss. People lost faith in Howard cause he was out of touch with the community not cause of his economic credentials. Tony ‘fake’ Abbott is even more out of touch and yet they think he can bring the bacon home. I don’t think even the Liberal leaning females will want to vote for him because he is just so repulsive to women. (and just quietly, how is an ETS tax different from a $2.7 billion big business maternity levy, bit hypocritical!!!)

    • NoMrAbbott says:

      08:42am | 09/03/10

      Mr Abbott, you have lost my vote. I am a small business owner. I know will not be employing women under 45 years of age. 6 months is to long for my business to be disrupted. I will have to employ temp staff if any of my employees has a child. It will take me approx one month to train them, at which I will have to pay them full wages. Only then to have to dismiss them, when the employee who had the baby returns to work. If you have several young women on your payroll, this has the potential to bankrupt you. I am sure young women will disagree with me BUT I wonder how long you will disagree when you discover there will be less job options out there for you. This will eventually be put back onto the tax payer as I can see big business leaving Australia to base themselves overseas.

    • Average Joe says:

      10:07am | 09/03/10

      NoMrAbbott, obviously you don’t employ women now anyway.
      Women are entitled to 12 months unpaid maternity leave currently. So the need to fill the vacancy is no different.
      All that Abbott is doing is trying to encourage procreation by making it financially easier for working women to fall pregnant.

    • NoMrAbbott says:

      10:21am | 09/03/10

      Average Joe Yes they are but most women don’t take 12 months, my staff normally take their holidays and maybe a week or 2 more. Its not such a big disprution to me or to my employees. They still have bills to pay and most cannot afford to just take 12 off without pay. I had one young women take 3 months off but she had triplets using IVF. We were very concerned for her welfare and that was fine. But I have a business to run. While I am sympathetic to these young mothers, I am there to make money. Unless you know myself or my partner I feel is very foolhardy of you to comment. I have work to do I am not answering again.

    • HotChipz says:

      09:23am | 09/03/10

      Hey NoMrAbbott. Spend some time reading the press releases. Small business will not pay for the maternity leave.

    • NoMrAbbott says:

      10:00am | 09/03/10

      HotChipz I realise Big business are supposed to fott the tax bill but you have obviously never run a small business. There is more cost involved that just the wages. Many employees need on the job training and uniforms need to be provided. Its a disruption all way round and you will find many employers will not employ young women, prefering intstead men or older women. The good news is if Abbott removes the unfair dismisal laws again we can just terminate child bearing age women and employ older staff

    • Andrew says:

      10:31am | 09/03/10

      I would bet dollars to doughnuts that you have never run a small business in your life. If you had you would be up to date with the facts. Read the policy and then try to make an informed comment.
      BTW there is already an unfair dismissal threshold for small businesses. Of course you would already know that if you ran a small business!

    • Average Joe says:

      10:57am | 09/03/10

      NoMrAbbott, I think Andrew may have your number. Currently all small business employers are under an obligation to provide for 12 months unpaid maternity leave for employees with 12 months service. If your staff have their babies and only take their holidays plus one or two weeks as you say - then you have been amazingly fortunate, or maybe you have a high female staff turnover, or maybe you only employ one or two females, or maybe you pressure them under threat etc etc…....but I don’t think you are the ‘norm’.

    • Henry says:

      01:55pm | 09/03/10

      One can hope that Abbott will win against this shocking lazy, dodgy, do-nothing, cynical , populist, PC fascist Rudd Govt.  Already on paper alone the Rudd Govt is the second worst in Australia’s history.

      The trouble is that the ALP have bred their own voters in the welfare ghettos that they have created.  Sadly, they out breed the hard workers who have to provide for their own families.  Labor too have let in 1000’s of immigrants who flock to us for our rich free market lifestyle only to vote for its antithesis the socialist based ALP!  Absolute madness and an example why compulsory voting should be scrapped.

      Labor appeals to the lowest common denominators in society and Australia has got many many many lowest common denominators!

      Hope you can pull of a victory for the true believers Tony!

    • Seano says:

      07:45pm | 09/03/10

      “Hope you can pull of a victory for the true believers Tony! “

      Doesn’t seem like seeing as he is now pulling policy out of his….ok lets say hat.

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