“Always forgive your enemies,” wrote Oscar Wilde, “nothing annoys them so much”. And no advice could be more prescient for Kevin Rudd, who must be feeling positively Churchillian at the prospect of being drafted back in to the Labor leadership.

Fair shake of the sauce bottle everybody, I wouldn't be getting too excited yet. I've still got to visit each of the countries on this map at least 17 times. Pic: Anthony Reginato.

The former ALP headkicker Graham Richardson, who is by his own admission more of an outsider these days than an insider, has claimed that Victorian backbencher Alan Griffin and West Australian senator Mark Bishop are running the numbers for Mr Rudd.

Commenting on the suggestion, the former PM mixed requisite denial with a rather heavy dose of aggression, attacking “factional bullies” and taking every opportunity to put the focus back on Tony Abbott. He is, quite literally, on the campaign trail – but the electorate is only an afterthought here. The voters that matter are in caucus.

While it is easy to dismiss such reports as the conjecture of a blood-thirsty media or a faded powerbroker, there is a pretty clear trajectory here. Only a fortnight ago we were told that Rudd was nine votes short of returning to the penthouse. Make no mistake – this will happen. Remember that in June last year, Rudd was so thoroughly despised within caucus that he didn’t even contest the leadership ballot. Clearly, many of those enemies have changed their minds.

Numbers like Rudd’s will do that, and they can only be ignored for so long. Only the most stubbornly proud could refuse a 15-point jump in the primary vote. And when push comes to shove, most MPs will shelve their pride to keep their jobs.

Many among the commentariat seem decidedly cynical about whether a challenge will take place, though there’s certainly no reluctance to egg it on. Of course the daily doorstops feature valiant denials that the numbers are being run, but we know how little weight to assign such protests. And there is actually a rather beautiful strategy waiting to be executed, if they’d just hurry up and pull the trigger.

The crowd loves an act of contrition, something Rudd demonstrated himself when he apologised to the stolen generations on the floor of the House. Parents since time immemorial have insisted on the moral lesson that saying sorry – and admitting to a mistake, pertinently – is a necessary condition of making things right again.

The opportunity is there for a grand mea culpa from Labor, to state what is now undeniable – that to remove Rudd was wrong, not just politically but also morally. That to do such a thing to a first-term Prime Minister undermined the office itself, much more so than a few crass signs at a rally or the tragically unfunny At Home with Julia.

Gillard will need to lead the procession, of course, for however unwillingly she was coerced in to the act she remains the knife’s wielder. It will be a media-managed affair, though not too stringently one hopes. The cameras need to show us the regret etched in her face, much the same way as they captured those humanising tears rolling down Rudd’s cheek in the aftermath of his ousting.

The so-called faceless men should be there too; the likes of Mark Arbib, David Feeney and Don Farrell, who will demonstrate that they are not masked assassins but merely humans, with fatally human flaws of judgment. They can admit to being disillusioned and disappointed by Rudd’s leadership, but say they should have kept the faith and given him the dignity of an election campaign.

These sentiments will need to be explicitly communicated, for it is important that voters see a return to Rudd as an act of reparation not desperation. Neither should that necessarily be seen as ‘spin’ – Labor is genuinely beginning to feel that promoting Gillard before her time was an error which should be corrected.

Rudd too will need to display his catharsis. He will need to admit that his first stint as leader was problematic, that he was a poor manager and bad colleague. Most importantly he will need to promise he has learnt his lessons, that things will be different this time around. Privately he has probably given those guarantees already. They should be given to the public, as well, to complete the circle of contrition.

He has already admitted it was the wrong call to junk the emissions trading scheme. Upon his second-coming he can accurately say that the ALP is once again committed to an ETS, which is exactly what the alleged ‘carbon tax’ will become after three years. Rudd owns the ETS trademark, Gillard doesn’t.

There must be visible forgiveness, too, lest the news cycle again become fixated on displays of frostiness between the two like that dreadful orchestrated encounter during the election campaign. As Ghandi attested, forgiveness is the attribute of the strong, and both will be stronger leaders having accepted each other’s mistakes.

The politics of apology is an important game to understand. It is entirely analogous to the quarrelsome lovers who go to bed angry and remain so for days. Recognition of one’s wrongdoing has a calmative effect, giving people the comfort of believing the natural order of things is restored. Voters want to see that raw humanity in their leaders, the type of vulnerability and fallibility Rudd and Gillard have characteristically tried to hide.

The PM and the electorate slept as disgruntled bedfellows, and the rift has never mended. The only way to get past it is to go back, and for Labor’s catharsis to be painfully public. It worked for Ted Kennedy after he drove off a bridge and his passenger drowned. With the help of a dog called Checkers, it even worked for Richard Nixon.

Those caucus dominoes will not hesitate to fall.

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    • Against the Man says:

      05:07am | 10/10/11

      Good to have Rudd back, just because it will be a destructing level of chaos for the ALP.

      Too funny. Bye Juliar that pub in Wales is waiting for you smile

    • neo says:

      10:37am | 10/10/11

      It’s quite clever really, once the public gets fed up with one leader, they just throw on the substitute. Well played Labor, the nation is fooled.

    • MadKat of Melbourne says:

      11:03am | 10/10/11

      Neo, how is the nation fooled ? I don’t see the Nation cheering Rudd on to become leader or the nation thinking that things will change if he comes back - I don’t see how it’s quite clever. I think the Nation can see the acts of desperation for what they are.

    • neo says:

      11:42am | 10/10/11

      I’m willing to bet their ratings will go up if he becomes the PM again.

      To be honest, the fact that Labor got even 1 vote in the last election suggests that at least a large part of the nation is fooled. The politically confused part of the working class voted for Labor and the politically confused part of the Chinese community voted for Labor back in ‘07 just because of Rudd’s “nihao ma” language skills. A few of my Chinese friends have admitted to it, when I asked why the hell they voted Labor the response was “Because Kevin Rudd speaks fluent Chinese.”

      I’d say the nation is pretty damn fooled.

    • Anne71 says:

      12:27pm | 10/10/11

      @Neo: “To be honest, the fact that Labor got even 1 vote in the last election suggests that at least a large part of the nation was fooled.”
      You think so? You don’t think that it was anything to do with who was leading the Opposition? I honestly believe that it if had been anybody but Abbott leading the LNP at the last election, they would have won outright.  Not necessarily a landslide, but they would have had a clear mandate.
      It’s nothing to do with being “fooled”, Neo, and everything to do with going with the lesser of two evils.

    • MadKat of Melbourne says:

      01:08pm | 10/10/11

      Neo “To be honest, the fact that Labor got even 1 vote in the last election suggests that at least a large part of the nation is fooled” - how ?? - 1 vote doesn’t = large part of nation. You need to brush-up on your math.

      There will always be one-eyed, die-hards on both sides who will vote for their party no matter what - the proof is in the number of voters who turn their backs on their party -

      I think that Labor’s rating will go up for a while at least if Rudd gets back in - but I’d hardly equate that to most of the nation -

    • neo says:

      02:34pm | 10/10/11

      Well, if one would consider Abbott as evil, which he clearly isn’t, then he would at least be the lesser of two evils. Come on, our current PM is an ex member of a socialist society, and our last PM before that is a smiling puppet with no decision making capacity.

      Anyway, enjoy the carbon tax and enjoy sending potential refugees to a country with no refugee protection policies. Good choice of the lesser evil.

    • MadKat of Melbourne says:

      03:28pm | 10/10/11

      Anne71 - your argument sounds like the same old, tired-out ploy by Labor to blame everything on Abbott -

    • acotrel says:

      05:43am | 11/10/11

      @neo
      ‘Well, if one would consider Abbott as evil, which he clearly isn’t, then he would at least be the lesser of two evils. Come on, our current PM is an ex member of a socialist society, and our last PM before that is a smiling puppet with no decision making capacity.’

      You must be about 30 years of age ?  You are so certain !  Still living in your own little black and white world ? If you can re ally see Abbott as PM, you are wacko !

    • neo says:

      08:54am | 11/10/11

      I’m under 30, acotrel.

      No black and white, everything is shades of gray in this world.

      I can see Abbott as PM, deffo, he has a strong backing from good economists in his party, he is a very intelligent man, or at least he appears to be in his public appearances and when speaking in parliament. He radiates strength and confidence, both characteristics needed for the top job. He seems to be of good moral values, more traditional and conservative, a little too much perhaps. I do not agree with him on everything, and perhaps he would do good to be a little more socialistic, but overall, I think he is one of the best, if not the best pollies for the job.

      Care to share your opinion of him?

    • anderthal says:

      10:04am | 11/10/11

      “strong backing from good economists in his party”

      Yes, the ones that don’t mind 11 billion dollar black holes and un-costed policies. The party that can’t even give a budget reply speech that mentions the budget.
      You mean that one neo?

      PS - Abbott is the greater evil, just look at how he encourages people to get on leaky boats.

    • Erick says:

      05:08am | 10/10/11

      This act of desperation might work for a few weeks, just as the original desperate act of dumping Rudd lifted Labor in the polls for a brief time. It was enough to get Gillard over the line, but only with the help of allies outside the ALP, and at the cost of destroying her credibility.

      If Rudd returns, the 2PP vote may improve for a time, but it won’t last. Soon enough people will remember how bad he was and why he was dumped in the first place. However, a blatant act of desperation is the only hope the ALP has at the moment.

    • sunny says:

      07:58am | 10/10/11

      @Erick It wasn’t a desperate act to dump Rudd, it was a smart move. She was flying in the early part of the campaign and would have won the election by a decent majority. Then Kev leaked details of who said what in party meetings (they should not forget this at any upcoming ballot) and from that point she took a nose dive in the polls and only just hung on to win.

    • Adam Diver says:

      08:13am | 10/10/11

      Exactly Erick, can Labor really be that stupid? The polls reflect popularity based on 1) sympathy for his dismissal, 2) his prominent popular role (where essentially he is blameless) and 3) the fact Gillard is in so much trouble.

      Do they honestly think that Rudd can do a good job (most of these policy issues are his), even though he was terrible previously, lost support previously and has a policy vacuum in which to repair the problems. Also how will Labor possibly sell the message that they were shit before, but it got worse, so they are going back to the man “who had list his way”?

      Its like when a couple splits, dishes out all the baggage and then gets back together, with all the friends now privy to the worse aspects of thier relationship.

      Labor can’t win, but they can improve enough to be a effecient opposition. Here are my X steps to Labor success (measured by how much of a drumming they don’t get)

      1. Dump Gillard for lying, promote emerson, smith, crean, shorten or anyone with a modicum of ability
      2. dump the carbon tax and follow international efforts on Co2 reductions, i.e China and the Us
      3. Either go back to Nauru, or go completely onshore. No middle ground either be successful or “moral” on this issue. Currently they achieve neither.
      4. Legalise same-sex marriage, nothing to lose, won’t have long term effects and you can catch some votes from the greens.
      5. Dump the greens, they are toxic, they create bad policies which Labor implement, and then still happily criticise from the sidelines with impunity. They play without rules and without scrutiny.

    • mikk says:

      05:28am | 10/10/11

      More tory fantasising with not a shred of subjective evidence. Articles like this are why journalism is held in such low regard.

    • Arthur says:

      07:30am | 10/10/11

      @mikk.

      Sometimes you just don’t need evidence (it’s sure there though, I could scrounge plenty up). Anyone with any intelligence can see this government don’t have a clue what they’re doing. I’m not suggesting LNP are any better. I’m suggesting it’s time, in fact it’s crucial Australians need to get interested in politics and get us some good people at the top. Not dreamers that think a carbon tax of any kind will fix anything. Look at Turnbull. I can’t understand how a smart man has concluded that Australia can make one bit of difference with pricing carbon when he knows full well, eventually all the carbon fuels will be used. Cost is cripple Australia (even more) result ZERO effect..

    • Lo Pan says:

      08:31am | 10/10/11

      Turnbull knows how much money his broker mates can make from trading carbon permits/credits etc

      It’s another market that will need brokers.

    • Arthur says:

      08:58am | 10/10/11

      @Lo Pan

      Too true Lo Pan. If I use my “vested interest” filter it is obvious that Tiurnbull stands to gain.

      I think if we use the “vested interest” filter on the Labor party, we’d also see the tax has nothing to do with the environment, but their nut job socialist agenda to distribute Australia’s wealth to the rest of the world as to meet our carbon output in decades to come (when our population has doubled) we’ll be buying credits from overseas.

      This would be cool if the number of people we were trying to share our wealth with was not growing exponentially.

      There are bigger issues Labor. get on with them!!!!!!

    • RyaN says:

      09:25am | 10/10/11

      mikk: you are not in the UK anymore mate, there is no tory party here!

    • Dementer says:

      10:04am | 10/10/11

      Oh really.

      Do you really think people are not whispering behind closed doors.

      Rudd isnt a fool and he will be feeling out support ( quitely) for another stint. He isnt stupid enough to do a Latham. He might even wait till Gillard loses the election and he will be firmly in position as opposition leader.

      While they all say they dont look at the polls, they certainly do. And if they are not looking at the polls they are looking at the bookies odds.

      what the ALP have to do is see what the long term statergy will be.

    • Maree says:

      03:19pm | 10/10/11

      Mikk: No “tory” party in Australia. However, we do have a LIBERAL party, which has much in common with Democrates in the USA, check ot their histories.

    • TimB says:

      05:40am | 10/10/11

      Another article that misses the point.

      Rudd holding onto the ETS will not help him. The electorate has turned against the ALP *because* of its carbon pricing plans.

      Switching to Rudd *and* keeping the carbon tax, will just result in the ALP poll numbers remaining as terminal as they are now.

    • AdamC says:

      08:37am | 10/10/11

      TimB, to true. The two mangiest dogs in the ALP home for lost policies, the mining super profits tax and the carbon tax/ETS were vintage Kruddy. The only reason why JuLiar even retained the latter post-election was the need to strike a bargain with Bobby B and the watermelons. Meanwhile, the much watered-down mining tax seems to be the policy that dare not speak its name.

      Oddly, it was glass precipice victim Kristina Keneally who recently summed up the problem for brand Labor. And it begins with a big p: policy. Personalities and melodrama will not rescue this administration, and the only beneficiaries from this ongoing saga are people who don’t like the Labor Party.

    • Joan says:

      11:39am | 10/10/11

      Yep TimB. Rudd will get turfed out by the scruff of his neck.. can’t wait for Rudd to be PM this term - it would be a hysterical history marker - the backstabber liar Gillard and and original victim Rudd - both out !

    • Brenda says:

      05:58am | 10/10/11

      I’m already recalling how unpopular Rudd was before Juliar knifed him.  Nothing has changed, he sounds just as painfully self-aggrandising and childish as before.
      Labor is finished. They can move the deckchairs in attempt to shake off their incompetent, infighting image, but their ship is sunk and nothing can save its hangers-on.  This so called government was not supposed to be a chapter in political history devoted to the beliefs and ambitions of a few power-hungry personalities:  Gillard, Rudd, Shorten, Arbib, Feeney, Farrell, Combet, Brown, Milne, Oakeshott, Wilkie, Bandt and Windsor.
      It was all supposed to be about the other 22 million Australians. .

    • Arthur says:

      07:39am | 10/10/11

      So well said Brenda. It’s about Australia not the grubs that crawled over each other to get to the top. Look at any western country on the planet. They’re all dieing. We have been spoiled rotten with cheap stuff while big business thrives at our expense. Politicians with their “donations” take from us and give it to the very rich. While we’re worrying about making our pay last the week, politicians have allowed 85% of our mines to be sold overseas. Massive amounts of farm land. A declining farm yield (halved in 10 years). Mass immigration to satisfy who? Big business (mostly foreign owned).

      What about peek oil? Where’s the plan? Australians letting politicians determine the direction we’re going will very soon be here to bite us like most can’t even imagine.

    • John says:

      06:30am | 10/10/11

      Different actor, same story line! same director, same producer! Western Democracy is fiction, wake up lemmings.

    • Arthur says:

      09:30am | 10/10/11

      Too true John.

      Check this video out. Imagine when the impacts of our incompetent politicians here materialise. When we start running out of food. When we’re working for food and accommodation only.  Our government have no plan other than to further their own careers. It is the fault of the collective voters. We are so apathetic it’s infuriating.

      http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2011/s3335167.htm

    • gobsmack says:

      06:40am | 10/10/11

      I have never liked Rudd.
      One thing about him that puzzles me is that before becoming PM he was a very effective communicator but after being elected he seemed incapable of saying anything without descending into complete gobbledegook.

    • Mouse says:

      07:17am | 10/10/11

      Yes gobsmack, it appears to be the same with gillard.  I remember everyone saying that she was a top notch negotiator but after becoming PM that all fizzled out, didn’t it!  :o)

    • gobsmack says:

      08:24am | 10/10/11

      @Mouse
      I’d have to agree.  Except that she was able to negotiate her way into forming a minority government.

    • Terence of Oz says:

      08:34am | 10/10/11

      Who leads the party is immaterial. They all must adhear to the party principles and push the party agenda even if it means cutting their own throats like with this carbon tax. Silence seems to be the only way of doing this, and remaining true to the party elite even if by doing so, you lose your own principles in the process.

      The problem with voting for any political party is, “Do we really know what their agenda is, and who is really running the show?”

    • nihonin says:

      08:58am | 10/10/11

      gobsmack says:

        09:24am | 10/10/11

        @Mouse
        I’d have to agree.  Except that she was able to negotiate her way into forming a minority government.

      She didn’t negotiate, she just said yes to all their demands.

    • Bomb78 says:

      09:18am | 10/10/11

      @ Gobsmack - hindsight might yet prove Abbott got the better of the negotiations over forming minority government. The Greens, Wilkie, Oakshot and Windsor were never going to back Abbott. So why all the comprimises?

    • Chris_D says:

      06:45am | 10/10/11

      He’s got more chance of playing Full Forward for the Brisbane Lions than he has of becoming the Prime Minister…...  wink

    • Disillusioned ALP member says:

      06:53am | 10/10/11

      ‘There will be no carbon tax under the government I lead’ Julia Gillard 17 August 2010.

      The tax is comng, so there’s only one other way to make an honest woman of her.

    • Against the Man says:

      04:50pm | 10/10/11

      Here is something interesting, Gillard started as fake PM with problems cropping up on a monthly basis then it became fortnightly, then weekly, then every couple of days then daily and now almost twice daily. It is a level of incompetence and stupidity that is unheard of for any politician.

      The ALP faithful have either given up defending her here on The Punch or spinning as hard as they can to save face. Rudd? Gillard? Combet? Shorten? No mate its just the same ol’ Labor smile

      Richo was right!

    • murr40 says:

      06:55am | 10/10/11

      LOL wow bring back Kevie,what a joke,hated by the Labor party,but gee as long as we hold on to power at any cost,who gives a rats i guess,forget about the country,its all about labour and kevie and julie.

      Election Please

    • biff says:

      07:02am | 10/10/11

      How appropriate that the term ‘running the numbers’  is mentioned in this article. It’s a quaint term lifted out of the gangsters playbook.

    • adam says:

      07:15am | 10/10/11

      Labor do not need Rudd at the helm, they need to listen to their constituents and begin to stand for their interests. They are currently a party whose platform seems to be Liberal lite with a side order of extreme Green.

      Find out what your core support actually believes in and try to sell that to the rest of the population, this swaying between what pollsters say are hot button topics does no good to the party, the country or the two party prefered system

    • Arthur says:

      07:22am | 10/10/11

      Someone that sees the outcome of an idiot 14 year old in Bali as the nations top priority is most profoundly not prime minister material.

      Australia’s problem is not our prime minister. It’s the fact we are so socialist. We’re forgetting the big picture(s). Australia is in a massive decline and our ministers find any way to dither they can because otherwise they don’t know what the hell to do to fix the mess they’ve gotten us in.

    • Klaus says:

      07:23am | 10/10/11

      I am very tired of all this speculation and “make no mistake” type of nonsense. Please just report things that are actually happening rather than your opinion.

    • Wayne Kerr says:

      08:11am | 10/10/11

      This is an OPINION site.  You know taht don’t you???

    • Elphaba says:

      08:30am | 10/10/11

      Bahahahaha!!!

      Klaus - epic fail.

    • Brian Taylor says:

      08:38am | 10/10/11

      Klaus, are you on the wrong page or something?
      just report things that are actually happening rather than your opinion….
      this is an opinion site or didn’t you realise that?

    • Frank says:

      01:50pm | 11/10/11

      So just because this is an opinon site does it mean that they should not be factually accurate? this is all that Klaus is saying…by all means state your opinion but, please do not take a feather out of Andrew Bolt’s hat and be factually inaccurate to make your point…by simply saying that because someone in The Australian is saying this is a story or Phil Coorey says its happening, that it is, thats just nonsense, Journalists are never wrong are they? HA HA HA LMFAO

    • Amused says:

      07:30am | 10/10/11

      That article reads like a fairytale in the making.

      It is never going to happen.  Too many ego’s involved here.

    • Gregg says:

      07:42am | 10/10/11

      ”’ Gillard will need to lead the procession, of course, for however unwillingly she was coerced in to the act she remains the knife’s wielder. It will be a media-managed affair, though not too stringently one hopes. The cameras need to show us the regret etched in her face, much the same way as they captured those humanising tears rolling down Rudd’s cheek in the aftermath of his ousting.

      The so-called faceless men should be there too; the likes of Mark Arbib, David Feeney and Don Farrell, who will demonstrate that they are not masked assassins but merely humans, with fatally human flaws of judgment. They can admit to being disillusioned and disappointed by Rudd’s leadership, but say they should have kept the faith and given him the dignity of an election campaign. “

      All too funny but then you do have a bit of that Skakey Spear look in you Micky.

      I reckon the public had enough of Rudd that like Caucus they were seeing him for what he has always been, a hopeless prima donna .

    • Arthur says:

      07:45am | 10/10/11

      Anyone that thinks growing our population is a valid solution to anything should be kept as far away from power as possible.

    • sunny says:

      08:14am | 10/10/11

      Not to mention anyone who says “I’m a happy little vegemite”.

    • Dash says:

      07:58am | 10/10/11

      What a joke! Rudd is so fake it’s not funny. Go back and take a look at everything he promised before the 2007 election. Grocery choice, fuelwatch, insulation fiasco, coastguard, 260 childcare centres, root and branch tax reform, 2020 summit, green loans. you have got to be joking! How stupid do the ALP think the electorate are?

      The ALP would be mad to put this dud back into the top job. You can change the skipper of a sinking ship, but it’s still a sinking ship. The ALP have lied too the Australian people and are bringing lefty fraudulent legislation into the house of reps this week. Rudd doesn’t change that!

    • Arthur says:

      08:08am | 10/10/11

      “How stupid do the ALP think the electorate are?”

      We’ve proven that over and over and over and over…......................

      ...............................................................

    • nossy says:

      12:16pm | 10/10/11

      @Dash - good to see you back dash. A gruesome week coming up as the Carbon Tax is to be voted on as well as the Malaysian Asylum Seeker deal - strewth - two duds in a row!

    • gobsmack says:

      12:25pm | 10/10/11

      His one enduring achievement was getting rid of that other fake.

    • Dash says:

      12:30pm | 10/10/11

      I guess some people just never learn!

      Everyone makes mistakes. Only a fool makes the same one twice!

    • Coop says:

      04:09pm | 10/10/11

      So cynical .... we all know websites fix everything. Besides, the man is on Twitter

    • acotrel says:

      07:54am | 11/10/11

      @nossy
      We’ll see a bit of fun when Abbott tries to scramble out of the asylum seeker corner he’s painted himself into ?

    • Tell It Like It Is says:

      07:59am | 10/10/11

      I’m all for recycling rubbish but this scenario would be all too depressingly retro. From unbearable Kevin ‘07 to be-careful-what- you-wish-for-I- didn’t- mean-THAT Gillard and then to absolute worst with another nauseatingly embarrassing re-visit of Rudd.

    • F.W.G. says:

      08:00am | 10/10/11

      A return to Rudd the dud is not the answer, a return to labor fundimentals and belifes is what is needed, get rid of the union hacks and political no hopers who have been alowed to hijack the party, until then they are a party whith no soul.

    • MarkS says:

      08:01am | 10/10/11

      Krudd back! Just about the only good thing the ALP has done in Government is to get rid of that useless self centered micro managing freak. Will never happen even the present ALP back benchers are not that stupid. Are they?

    • Brian Taylor says:

      08:43am | 10/10/11

      yeah they are lol
      one good thing, it’ll give us anti Labor/ anti greenies mob another crack at having fun at KRudd’s expense

    • MarkS says:

      09:25am | 10/10/11

      @Brian

      us anti labour? Who you calling us? I have never voted for your right wing mob & it pains me that I may need to next time.

    • Watcher says:

      08:33am | 10/10/11

      I am a Labor voter or I was, I come from Newcastle , it is a pretty big town and a Labor town, myself and many many others did not vote Labor in last election because of what they did to Kevin Rudd. I thought it was terrible. I don’t like Julia Gillard and I am not alone there. I will vote Labor in the next election if Rudd is back, if not ..well..gee I guess I feed the donkey. Tony Abbott will not get my vote ..ever..I don’t like him..that is my choice..Turnbull on the other hand probably would have, he has something Abbott lacks, dignity!!

    • We all know it says:

      08:55am | 10/10/11

      Abbott is festering pile of NO and is unelectable regardless of who is ALP leader.
      He will be replace before the next election and this is common knowledge amongst the factional heavyweights within the Liberal party.

    • jf says:

      11:40am | 10/10/11

      “He will be replace before the next election and this is common knowledge amongst the factional heavyweights within the Liberal party. “

      Oh you big hitter you.

    • Bomb78 says:

      12:23pm | 10/10/11

      We all know it - It might surprise some but many on the right want Abbott to lead the Liberals - you know, a conservative leading the conservatives? Abbott is electable for this reason alone! Turnbull does not reflect the base of the conservative side of politics in this country, and as such is not electable as leader.

    • We all know it says:

      07:32pm | 10/10/11

      I know bomber.

      more on the right want Pauline to make a comeback.
      Unfortunately she is to the left of Abbott and that just wouldn’t be good enough now would it?

    • Paul Bannister says:

      08:47am | 10/10/11

      Your idea that bringing back Turnbull will somehow stem the disdain that is clearly flowing through the electorate for Abbott is obvious.
      There can be no return to Turnbull and we all know that Abbott is unelectable.
      The LNP needs to purge those left from the Howard era and return to the centre before the electorate will even consider them worthy to hold office.

    • Martin says:

      01:15pm | 10/10/11

      Hey Paul, seen the latest polls? Labor’s primary vote is 26%.  Fair dinkum, you Labor chaps have massive difficulty in dealing with the truth don’t you?

    • Victor H Pigott says:

      08:48am | 10/10/11

      By all means bring back Kevin Rudd,  NSW voters at least know that this move is nothing less than a last desperate measure by Federal Labor to reinvigorate themselves with the Australian electorate.  But just as they failed in NSW, they will fail Federally. You just can’t tell Labor that their ideology no longer appeals to the majority of Australians, that their policies are poisonous and that Australian democracy through them has sunk to the level of a political circus.  Labor just can’t see the wood from the trees, no matter how hard the electorate shouts, they don’t listen.  As is occurring in other parts of the Globe, Labor parties are being relegated to their rightful place in the political spectrum, the historical garbage bin.  By all means bring back Rudd, the Labor demise will just be the quicker.

    • casba says:

      08:51am | 10/10/11

      You only have to look at those ‘ugly Australians’ as depicted in the equally ‘ugly’, “The Slap” currently showing on the ABC to know that there is a whole lot of middle class Australians out there who are so self absorbed and so unlikely to want to get involved in finding out about what is wrong with politics and the current crop of politicians in Australia at the moment, to know why someone like KRudd and Julia Gillard might seem appealing. They have no interest in, nor any idea about, where this government is leading us and how difficult it will be to come back from where they take us.
      But I am one of those 22 million Australians out there as well- and I am maintaining my rage-just lead me to that ballot box.

    • iansand says:

      08:53am | 10/10/11

      Only one thing matters.  Is there an absolute, 110%, rock solid commitment from the independents to support Rudd as PM.  If the answer is “No”, no one is doing nothing to anyone anywhere.  At the moment, no matter how bad Gillard may be, her deal with the independents is what gives the ALP government.  Everything else is flim flam from the flim flammers.

    • Martin says:

      12:50pm | 10/10/11

      Like to place a little wager on Rudd not becoming PM?

    • jack spratt says:

      08:58am | 10/10/11

      Everybody (including Rudd and Gillard) knows full well that the Indonesians are not wanting anybody to tell them how to suck their legal eggs…yet our two leaders are inflaming the situation by suggesting they can twist Indonesian arms ...a very dangerous aberration of reason which will act against the boy’s chances.

    • Lindsay says:

      09:31am | 10/10/11

      Bring on Abbott.He will stop the boats put the brakes on those fat cat nurses,teachers,fire fighters police and the PS salaries. Stop the unions and bring down the Industrial Courts to prevent those whinging workers, who want to be paid fairly for an honest day’s work, having an avenue of complaint

    • Tator says:

      10:29am | 10/10/11

      Lindsay,
      pity it is the STATE governments who determine Nurses, Police, Firefighters, Ambos and Teachers Salaries, so Abbott will not be able to touch those, but then again, the way the ALP is going in all of the states, the Coalition/Liberals who possibly could be governing in all of the States in the near future might put the brakes on those salaries.  But what you will probably find is that those governments will stop giving blanket payrises and those agencies will have to negotiate and justify why they should be given more.

    • Lindsay says:

      01:37pm | 10/10/11

      Tarot I am talking federal Police ,public servants etc

    • Tator says:

      03:02pm | 10/10/11

      Lindsay,
      What a limp response, your post was just a dishonest attempt to tie any attempt by Abbott to reign in Federal Government spending to state based employees.  Pity your efforts at discrediting Abbott blew up in your face when some simple facts were presented.  It is a bit like what the NSW Nurses Federation claimed in the 2007 election when they claimed Workchoices would reduce nurses pay and conditions when they were working under state based awards which Workchoices had no jurisdiction over.

    • Sniffer says:

      03:31pm | 10/10/11

      I have detected a faint whiff that Lindsay is a Labor troll

    • reddragon says:

      09:35am | 10/10/11

      I was sitting at my computer to join the belligerant chorus of Rudd naysayers when up popped a press notice advising that Gillard had PHONED the little stoner personally. If she is in there competing with Kev she must believe he is getting the numbers.

      There can be no other reason for the Prime Minister of a soveriegn nation to become personally involved in something like this could there?

      Who is running this country? Dr Charlene Robinson, Bob Jelly? John Palmer.

      Jesus wept and I voted for these clowns.

    • Shane From Melbourne says:

      09:42am | 10/10/11

      Screw Gillard, Rudd and Abbott too. Worthless politicians unfit to be PM. Get someone who will abolish middle class welfare, say no to Big Australia and restrict land ownership to individual Australian citizens and not foreign corporations.

    • Annie says:

      09:42am | 10/10/11

      Boy oh Boy nothing like ” Losing your way ” then getting stuck with “a bung GPS” & getting further & further up “$hit Creek” then all of a sudden ” Losing your way” becomes insignificant when you can tweak the “bung GPS” rebrand it as a new & improved Model then Voila ....” We’ve found our way again” .... and for good affect we can blame the other Mob for giving us the
      ” bung GPS” taking our paddles off us & setting us adrift on said ” $hit creek” ... GOLD
      Never mind all of us plebs out here, in their thirst for power ” at whatever it takes/costs” as long as they don’t losto bee their seats/power & can keep Abbott out of office, is ALLl they seem to care about….pffffttttt!!!

    • Anjuli says:

      11:05am | 10/10/11

      There is one thing for sure,  those who did the knifing will be cut out of the government if Rudd comes back.

    • The Badger says:

      11:26am | 10/10/11

      Speaking of enemies

      Oscar Wilde also said
      I choose my friends for their good looks, my acquaintances for their good characters, and my enemies for their intellects. A man cannot be too careful in the choice of his enemies.

      Red Skeleton said
      “I don’t hate my enemies. After all, I made ‘em. “

      But perhaps JFK said it best when he said
      “Always forgive your enemies, but never forget their names”

    • Govt@FauxCitizen says:

      11:30am | 10/10/11

      Rudd’s a dud, even Greg Combet’s tongue twist Freudian Slip,Faux Pas on the ABC’s The Insiders programme confirms what most Senior ALP Ex Unionists think of him 9/10/2011 about 50 seconds into the interview between him and Barry Cassidy.
      By some stroke of nothing less than a miracle KRudd should be restored to the leaders job it would be the beginning of complete loss of what’s left of ALP dignity and unity.
      IF IF IF KRudd were to be “Reinstated”  and re-gain public popularity he would have to repeal “THE CO2 TAX” , repeal the “Mining Tax”, reintroduce the “Pacific Soloution”, reintroduce import tarrifs, and ban Coal Seam Gas exploitation of freehold land without the owners permission, and Give everyone $900 comfort money to the chosen ones, then get a personality implant without the mealy mouth attitude,BLAH BLAH BLAH,
      Bring it on !!!!
      My hard earnt will be on either Bill Shorten Greg Combet or Stephen Smith “IF” there is any kind of a coup.

    • Blind Freddy says:

      11:33am | 10/10/11

      Just more of the same old beat-up by the same old Liberal friendly media.

    • Jb says:

      01:00pm | 10/10/11

      Given you statement, your name is rather apt as you clearly know nothing.
      If the Media “Favours” Labor that’s ok then? They report the news. It’s jsut that Labor don’t like what is being reported.

    • Martin says:

      01:18pm | 10/10/11

      Like to have a little wager on whether Krudd will be PM again?

    • TheRaptured says:

      12:08pm | 10/10/11

      By removing the weasel, Labor will replace it with a Fox to guard the hen house. You all have been warned!

    • carlos says:

      02:08pm | 10/10/11

      two little issues for the ALP that may be giving them a minor facial twitch regarding this.
      - how much of a dictator will kRudd be after he has come back and’ saved’ the party from oblivion ??
      - and how many decades will they be out of power when he fails miserably and no one will trust the ALP to manage themselves or the country again !!!
      stock up on your painkillers people, cos Labor is in a world of hurt

    • didi says:

      02:58pm | 10/10/11

      We need something done pretty quick to get this country back on track. Did you know she is still going to make us pay the Flood Levi this financial year if you earn over $50,000 gross a year. Thought it was forget didn’t you. Stop talking about it and you think it will go away but they sneak up to bite you all the time

    • Kika says:

      03:42pm | 10/10/11

      Levi? Or Levy? I didn’t know the Levites had anything to do with this!

    • Robert s McCormick says:

      03:12pm | 10/10/11

      He may have been sliding in the polls but that was no reason to dump him! The Libs did the same in SA when they dumped Dean Brown in favour of that Olsen person & look where it got them!
      If Gillard & the almost faceless, nameless men & women of the Union movemnet had been content to have waited until after the 2010 Federal Election - an election the ALP have admitted they were going to lose - they could have then, without all the malice & hatred now directed towards Gillard, in Opposition have elected Gillard the Dear & Supreme Leader of the ALP Politburo!  Though he is riding high in the polls at present people do not generally like Tony Abbott & his poll standing is because, thanks entirely to her own stupidity, they dislike Gillard even more.
      She has just turned 50 so by the time the 2016 Federal Election rolled round she would only be 55. Not old for a PM. In 2016 it is very possible she would have romped home against Abbott! I just wish he would stop appearing shirtless for , though he may be fit, he does not have an attractive bod!!!
      Rudd, just like Abbott rides high in the polls against Gillard for exactly the same reasons Abbott does: The People will not forgive her for what she allowed herself tobe persuaded to do to the Prime Minister whom only days before she stabbed him she had sworn total support for. That she told us “There would be No Carbon Tax under any Government I lead” (or somesuch words) had absolutely nothing to do with the massive loss she delivered to the ALP. The polls were already long-since plummeting & her breaking her promise only exacerbated the speed of the decline!
      Her changing of the word “Tax” to “Price” has not helped to improve her or the ALP’s standing one iota.
      The very fact that anyone within the ALP is even considering a return to Kevin Rudd just goes to show how shallow & small the pool of talent they do have. Not that I am suggesting, with very few exceptions, that the Coalition Parties have a deep ocean of talent either!
      You cannot expect a big pool of talent when at least 29 of your House of Reps MPs have all been drawn from the narrow, bigotted, mostly talentless ranks of the Union Movement. The Members of the ALP have only themselves to blame. At branch level they have, like good little servants of the ruling politburo, allowed those running the ALP Head Office to turn up at Branch meetings (called to make preselections) with the cnadidate of their (Head Office) choice & simply present her or him to the Branch & tell them “This is the candidate you will select to stand in your electorate”. Dead wood being rewarded for some imagined services to some Union.
      We may prefer Rudd to Gillard but that does not mean we would re-elect a government led by him.

    • Annie says:

      04:20pm | 10/10/11

      Go you have to agree with 90% of what you have said, except re: The Carbon Tax, 99% of the people I have spoken to are more than a little upset at being told categorically before the election that under A Govt led by the Supreme Leader of the Poltiburo “There will be NO Carbon tax under a Govt I lead” & also backed up by the Deputy Leader of the Poltiburo spruiking ” There will be NO Carbon Tax under our Govt it is a hysterical claim by the Opposition”.  Mind you it is becoming Patently clear that everything that is WRONG with Labor, all their Policy failures, all their infighting/backstabbing etc etc is all the fault of John Howard for the first 2 years & when that wore thin it then became the fault of Tony Abbott & the Opposition….SAD

    • Susan says:

      04:16pm | 10/10/11

      I just want someone who is worthwhile to lead the Government - and I don’t mind which side.  Just as we don’t have to stand by and endure more government by the Bob Brown idiots and the independents believing they rule the roost ever again.  That said I would really like to see someone with oomph on either side.  You have the cowtowing Labors on the one hand and the sneaky Abbotvilles on the other.  Not much choice really when you think about it.  Forget the Greens Only an idiot would vote for them after seeing them trying to run (ruin) the country the last few months.

    • XLABOR VOTER says:

      04:23pm | 10/10/11

      If rudd comes back as leader or pm he HAS to get gillard,Shorten,Albanese,Thomson out of sight in parliament otherwise it will still look like the smae old team with a different face,he has have some credibility by disposing of them and telling that Howes where to go as most of us exlabor voters feel that way and to call an election to get rid of Bob brown and those hypocritical independents if not it is all the same PATHETIC team for sure and us Labor Voters shall not return.

    • Jim (remember him?) says:

      04:39pm | 10/10/11

      A government that doesn’t deserve to be in government, an opposition that doesn’t deserve to replace them.

      Send in the clowns.

    • Chris says:

      05:48pm | 10/10/11

      Exactly. Many thousands of (former) Labor voters are still furious about the way Rudd was treated. He probably won’t win the election, but justice will be seen to be done, at least. The perceived instability and poor governance will do to the ALP this time exactly what it did to Whitlam in 75 and 77.

    • Gerard says:

      09:35pm | 10/10/11

      Sorry, can’t see it happening like that. Rudd will not want people reflecting on his previous (abysmal) prime ministership. He will want to portray himself as a future visionary and engineer an election as soon as possible.

      Here’s a more likely scenario:

      Rudd ensures he has the numbers and quietly works on a populist alternative to the carbon tax, while waiting for the LNP to screw something up (Joe Hockey opening his mouth would probably do it). With the LNP on the back foot, Rudd challenges for the keys to the Lodge, and gets them. He then announces that he is ‘listening to the people’ and dumps the unpopular pokie reforms and positions himself as someone who “won’t be held to ransom by independents”. Abbott won’t want to deal with unpopular independents either, and knows that the Greens in the Senate would make an LNP government practically untenable. With neither major party willing to work with the current Parliament, a double dissolution election is inevitable. Once the double dissolution is triggered, Rudd announces his populist carbon policy to “give people a vote on the tax” (presumably Gillard’s carbon tax would already be law, so Rudd’s alternative would repeal and replace it). By doing so, he has removed the retribution motive for voting against Labor. He also announces some other populist infrastructure white elephant to demonstrate “vision”. Campaigning on Abbott’s policy vacuum and his own cult of personality, he would have a very good chance of gaining a majority.

    • Frank says:

      08:21am | 11/10/11

      There is no plot for Kevin to take over Julia…it’s just the media, bored and under fed waiting pushing for the next juicy story…just like Kyle Sandilands ‘love child’ this is just a ratings grab and nothing more….move along people there is NOTHING to see here.

    • ALAN says:

      08:27am | 11/10/11

      is RUDD THE DUD going to cry like a baby AGAIN when abbott get the liberals in power and STOPS the unwanted ASSYLUM SEEKERS.
      i can read thge headlines now,OUR FIRST WOMAN P.M. WAS A DISASTER from START.

    • Anjuli says:

      11:12am | 11/10/11

      ALP will bring Rudd back , call an early election then hope to win on a sympathy vote .If they do this hope it is before Julia has had a year in office as then she is due for her gold card another drain on the tax payer,by another ex-Prime Minister.

    • Angina says:

      12:12pm | 11/10/11

      The LNP will bring Turnbull back, then hope to win the next election on a sensibility vote. If they do this, hope it is before Abbott has had another year in opposition so we might actually see some discussion from the policy vacuum that is the LNP

    • Ron Vincent says:

      06:34pm | 11/10/11

      I’m not sure Michael Koziol that the dominos will be falling Mr.Rudd’s way while ever the Labor Party is a house of dominos and have lost the confidence of the voting public. Our PM is so ineffectual that if either Miss Gillard or he were to continue to lead this very mediocre group of shop stewards and union reps Labor would be annihilated. If they are to make a move, they must choose someone like Smith and even he wont help.

 

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