Hit movie Horrible Bosses has gotten people talking about bosses, and about work culture in general. Here at Punch central, we thought we’d take things a step further and devote the bulk of our site today to the subject.

Slave to the job

The Punch is an unusual workplace, in that the boss performs many of the same duties as the junior team members, and vice versa. At various times during the day, the boss will moderate comments, while all staff members lend their news judgement to the story mix.

In this respect, we do not have the typical vertical boss/employee power dynamic. Do you? We’d love to hear your thoughts about what makes a good boss, a bad boss, and whether you’ve ever seriously thought about killing your boss, as in the movie. Hey, even here at The Punch there are days when we’ve thought about it…

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    • Mahhrat says:

      07:29am | 26/08/11

      There are two kinds of (effective) boss - the manager and the leader.  The best bosses of them all manage to combine and switch between those two philosophies.  Essentially, a manager is output focussed, while the leader is person focussed, knowing that happier staff produce better results.

      I’ve always preferred my bosses more on the manager side of that scale, but that’s just me.

      I think the biggest problem today in office environments like a lot of us work in is that we get managers who are in reality very good at the technical area of expertise, but are absolutely crap at the actual management of people.

      We have a massive knowledge gap in Australia, where we believe that just because someone is a very good finance officer (for example), that they’d be very good at being the business manager.

      It simply isn’t the case.  How is it that you do 4 years of Uni to be an IT officer, yet you can become a manager with a couple of 3-day workshops?

    • Aidan says:

      07:50am | 26/08/11

      Leaders are born managers are born too but usually have a professional—-technical skill - a three day workshop is probably two days too long!

    • acotrel says:

      05:20am | 27/08/11

      In workplaces there is a valid mathematics of the type 1+1 = 3 !  Teams are much more productive than people working alone !

    • acotrel says:

      05:26am | 27/08/11

      In my life, either as a private citizen or as a manager leading a group, I always treat people with respect , even if I believe they are idiots - Tony Abbott excepted , of course !

    • Gregg says:

      11:14am | 27/08/11

      @Mahhrat,
      ” How is it that you do 4 years of Uni to be an IT officer, yet you can become a manager with a couple of 3-day workshops? “
      Some people do study for longer in management areas and then that may not even make them such a good manager for management is also a lot about personal values, values learnt from life and experiences.

      As for expertise, productivity and people, you could do far worse than study some Managerial Grid principles which is all a bit of Mumbo Jumbo on productivity Vs personal issues, and typically how a production manager might be pidgeonholed as a 9:1manager and a human resources manager a 1:9 person if you consider a 9X9 matrix with productivity and humanesss as the axes with 9:9 supposedly being perfection.

      We do not so much have a knowledge gap but a belief that if you dive in you’ll either sink or swim for just as some managers may be recruited/selected, the recipients need also to have the belief in what they can do and that may be a false belief if they do not know or understand what their management should be all about.

    • Utopia Boy says:

      08:10pm | 27/08/11

      Aiden,
      RUBBISH!
      Leaders are molded by other good leaders. Any good leader will have a leader in their past whom they try to emulate. Charisma should never be confused with good leadership. Those with charismatic personalities will generally attract those they feel are their intellectual inferiors as followers.
      Leaders will, by skill, perseverance, example and hard work, gain the respect of those around him / her. This ability has to be taught, because most of us have an in built mechanism we use to attract people. This mechanism can be different for different people, but when you can learn to use different methods to motivate different personalities / skill sets to achieve a common goal, you have become a leader. It’s the difference between a popularity contest and an ability to create cohesion within an ever changing group dynamic.
      Management in a good organisation relies on robust systems and procedures. Good systems and procedures mean a system or procedure could be run by a monkey, using the “if this, do that” course of actions. Think problem solving your internet connection with a call centre.

      Managers fail due to poor systems and control measures. Leaders fail because they cannot / fail to motivate people.

    • dancan says:

      09:39am | 26/08/11

      I work within an advising/consulting team so we often discuss and debate matters between ourselves regardless of a person’s position.  Being in a certain job role doesn’t automatically grant you all the answers, providing in-depth and concise advise to clients requires presenting several solutions not just one.  A different person perspective can provide a whole new range of potential problems and solutions to the same question.

      Thankfully the big boss above our team is happy to sit back and let us do our jobs and not interfere that much as we work better like that.  Unfortunately our boss before that was a serious micro manager who wouldn’t let you send an email without it going past him for revision first. Bad,bad,bad.

    • james hunter says:

      10:38am | 26/08/11

      Seems like BHP has hit a Home Run ?

    • papachango says:

      03:48pm | 26/08/11

      The way to deal with micro managers is beat them at their own game. cc them on every single email you send, no matter how insignificant, and load them up with reports/memos/contracts.invoices or whatever to check. Leave them 20 voicemails a day about trivial stuff like what colour the report folder should be.

      Either they’ll get sick of being loaded up with work and emails and back off, or your work won’t get done because its always with them to check, and if they ask you, you just nonchalantly reply ‘It’s in your in tray waiting for you to check, Boss’.

      Of course you could have one of those psycho bosses who does 18 hour days checking up on everything and following you up constantly, but then you really don’t want to work there…

    • acotrel says:

      05:57am | 27/08/11

      The BHP super profit is very good news, especially considering the economic circumstances in which it was achieved.  If there is anyone who should be thanked it is Paul Keating and John Hewson for the way they introduced the free market into Australia with strong checks and balances. Pity about our manufacturing industry though ?

    • Fiddler says:

      11:09am | 26/08/11

      BTW love todays articles. Of late they have been split down the AGW or left/right debates or really boring articles not worth commenting on.

    • Robert Smissen of country SA says:

      01:42pm | 26/08/11

      I find it funny, all the great bosses I’ve worked for have NOT had uni degrees but were masters out of leading people, of course they hired uni grads to do the more mundane jobs

    • dobbieb says:

      02:33pm | 26/08/11

      The Punch team should know tha the word “gotten” is a definite no no in decent English. Tut Tut.

    • marley says:

      03:08pm | 26/08/11

      The word “gotten” is perfectly acceptable in American and Canadian English, and its usage in fact predates “got”  by quite a few centuries.  Or, have you “forgotten” your history of the language?

    • gra gra says:

      12:58am | 27/08/11

      You complain about “gotten”, which is a pure English word, although not much used, and then you introduce “tha”? What a silly little boy/girl you are.

    • acotrel says:

      06:01am | 27/08/11

      @Marley There is no such thing as ‘American and Canadian English’ ! What you are referring to is simply a corruption of a very expressive language, which often detracts from its value.

    • marley says:

      07:59am | 27/08/11

      @acotrel - if you care to check, you will find that there are dictionaries of American and of Canadian English which, surprise surprise, are not identical to the Oxford English.  Anyone with any knowledge of the history of English will tell you that the American and English versions began to diverge after the American Revolution, but that at least some of the American usages are older than their current English equivalents.  The use of “gotten” is an example:  it was in common use in English five or six centuries ago - the Americans kept it, the English abandoned it.  So tell me, which is the “corruption?”

    • Steve says:

      01:16pm | 27/08/11

      If you listen carefully to a Dolly Parton CD free of the visual distraction of her breasts then you discover that she has a magnificint voice.

    • Horthy says:

      02:36pm | 27/08/11

      All of my working life I have noticed the Peter Principle in effect at least somewhere in each organisation. Once you learn to manage your manager, life can be sweet.

    • marley says:

      04:04pm | 27/08/11

      Until you yourself get promoted into the PP zone smile

 

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