In July last year, the South Australian Coroner Mark Johns called for suicide statistics to be published alongside the road toll. Since that time, just over 100 South Australians have died on the state’s roads. More than 180 South Australians have killed themselves.

The stats shouldn't be kept in the dark

Despite Mr Johns’ call, suicide statistics remain unpublished. The topic by and large remains taboo. And desperate people keep taking their own lives because their mental illness isn’t properly treated, or because friends and family don’t have the confidence or the skills to raise this most delicate of subjects.

As a community, we’ve got to stop being so squeamish about suicide. It’s the single biggest cause of death for Australian females aged 15-34 and males 15-44. Latest statistics show that 2130 Australians took their own lives in 2009, compared to 1417 road deaths for the year and 1837 from skin cancer.

Yet while $7m is spent on mass media advertising to curb SA’s road toll alone, there’s nothing similar to curb the incidence of suicide. So what needs to change?

Experts like Mr Johns and SA’s Public Advocate John Brayley says the task is two-fold: prevention and awareness.

Around 70 per cent of suicides are associated with depression, so reducing the stigma of mental illness and expanding services are fundamental. Most other suicide victims are in a ‘situational crisis’, so timely access to crisis counseling is also essential.

Family First MLC Robert Brokenshire says SA’s services are simply too haphazard, and this week called for a Suicide Prevention Coordinator to be funded in Thursday’s State Budget.

In response, Health Minister John Hill revealed that his department has for some time been preparing a Suicide Prevention Strategy “to focus our efforts on the things that will have the most impact”.

It will include a new Suicide Prevention Advisory Committee, reporting directly to the Minister on the success (or otherwise) of measures, any gaps in services and ways to better coordinate government agencies.

That’s the first we’ve heard of it – and it’s a welcome initiative. But it still leaves us with the mammoth task of raising awareness and reducing the stigma of suicide in the wider population.

With church ministers and chaplains dealing with suicide on a weekly basis, the Moderator of the Uniting Church in South Australia, Rev Rob Williams, agrees. He too is calling for urgent action on suicide awareness as well as prevention, and the Uniting Church is now forming its own taskforce to drive the issue forward.

“There’s got to be more that we can do and we think a good place to start is lifting the lid on the secrecy surrounding suicide. Certainly, a sensitive and gentle shift in the way media look at these issues is something that we are very interested in.”

The Australian Press Council is interested too. It’s currently reviewing its 10-year-old reporting guidelines on suicide and will release the findings later this month.

A major issue, of course, remains the fear of copy-cat suicides. Some still believe that instead of preventing suicides, increased reporting will merely cause more. But with so many Australians taking their own lives, it’s time to mature our thinking on that score.

People who are truly intent on killing themselves have an abundance of information to make it happen – not least in the online world where traditional media guidelines are ignored with gusto.

The mainstream media has a responsibility to continue treating suicides carefully and sensitively, but surely one way to achieve that is by publishing regular figures (similar to the road toll) to keep the issue high on the public agenda.

As a community, we’re then sending a message that – like road deaths – suicides are preventable and we’re committed to curbing the toll. That’s got to be better than pretending 2000 Australians aren’t killing themselves each year.

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    • Leh says:

      06:29am | 05/06/11

      No silence on suicide doesnt do the harm.. treating people like they are absolutely worthless and like they dont exist does the harm. I know. I’m a guy in his 30’s that goes to bed crying everynight because there is not one person out there that treats me like a human being. I google “how to committ suicide” at least once a week looking for an easy and painless way out hoping someone will tell me how to end this pathetic existence. As for mental illness? No, the people with the problem is the human beings out there who treat others like they are nothing but SHIT. These are the people with the mental illness, not those who want to and end up killing themselves. I envy those who take their own lives, they are truly people who deserve to be admired and respected, because in the end I am gutless and I know I wont do it, and I know I will just have to put up with suffering, and being treated like shit on a shoe for the rest of my life. I hope most of you rot in hell, because you deserve it the way you treat people.

    • Kwin says:

      07:37am | 05/06/11

      You don’t need to put up with being treated like shit. No-one does. There are plenty of people that can and will help you if you let them. Go to your GP and get a counselling referral you are able to get up to 12 free sessions per year. Mensline is also a fantastic service where you can talk to qualified counsellors for the cost of a local call. You can change your life and the people in it.

    • deb says:

      07:43am | 05/06/11

      Leh,people will help you.I can hear you crying out for help and my heart goes out to you.
      What is Mental illness anyway?
      Depression?
      Sadness?
      Hopelessness?
      Who can judge?
      Please dont envy those who KILL themselves,they are no longer here to get help to go on and one day hopefully look back and say whew! glad i didnt go there!
      Me, i am nobody to talk,i have days when i am down and feel like shit. But suicide has never ever been an option.
      People who treat others like shit? Maybe one day you will see that they are only putting up walls saying, stay away! i have my own problems,leave my alone! Go find someone who cares. I am not religious but the church seems to be the only place to go for help,Lifeline.Maybe?
      Leh.I dont usually give a shit, as you say say most people dont,but your story ,your hurt and anger bought out something in me. Get help now!

    • skyblu says:

      07:50am | 05/06/11

      You are not gutless and definitely not worthless Leh…I trust in the days ahead you find people in your life who accept you for who you are and bring joy to your life…..stay strong and know that there is some good in this amazing world we live in….everyday you get up say ‘I am an amazing person and I deserve every good thing’......Be well, be happy and have a great life…....x

    • John says:

      08:06am | 05/06/11

      You don’t have to put up with suffering, Leh. I don’t know if you’ve talked to your GP or anyone else about how you are feeling, but there are effective treatment options available, including medication and counselling. Suicide is NOT the only way out of your suffering. There are people who can help you and there are a number of medications available that your doctor can give you.

    • CJ Morgan says:

      08:27am | 05/06/11

      @ Leh:

      Assuming that your comment isn’t a troll, my heart goes out to you.  You don’t tell us what efforts you’ve made to improve your life, but I assume you’ve unsuccessfully sought help with your problems.

      Yes, life can be tough and some people are nothing short of horrible, but even in your case it is still evidently preferable to the alternative - otherwise you would have overcome your fear and put an end to it by now.

      Clearly you’re both angry and very unhappy, but have you considered the possibility that you are ultimately both the source and remedy for your misery?  Indeed, blaming others for your own negative feelings is a guaranteed way to avoid dealing with them.

      There are many resources available for those in your situation - but they are useless unless you confront your problems honestly.  At the end of the day, they are your problems and their resolution is up to you.

    • loulou says:

      08:31am | 05/06/11

      @Leh You’re right about society - it can be heartless, especially to those with a mental illness.  I know others like you who say the same - they envy those with the “guts” to put an end to the despair.  However, there’s lots of people around, more than willing to help….......

    • marley says:

      08:32am | 05/06/11

      @Leh - there are always people who are going to treat everyone around them like dirt. But they’re a minority Leh -  most folks are decent people like yourself, with good days and bad, trying to get along in life.  You don’t see that right now, and that’s why you need help - it isn’t courageous to kill yourself, it’s courageous to admit you have a problem, and to find the help you need to deal with it.

    • Goldenfaber says:

      10:44am | 05/06/11

      Leh i can relate to a lot of what you say as most of our society is set up in “teams”  which means they have ganged up with their own kind and do not want anybody else muscling in on their dear little scam - most large organisations are run by such groups. Please do not let that get you so far down that you are suicidal about it as i can guarantee that you are not the only one who is treated that way. Ensure that you find some positive friends and that you choose places eg.a hairdresser who is a person who is friendly and cheerful so that you have some people to balance the negatives in your life.

    • Anon says:

      10:18am | 06/06/11

      Kwin:

      “You don’t need to put up with being treated like shit.”

      This is true up to a point. You can’t choose how other people treat you. You are powerless in that regard. I have spent a number of months seeing a psych and I don’t fit the “mental illness” definition of Depression, but I still go to bed each night crying and believing that I could make my wife’s life better if I died in my sleep.

      Why? I figure I must be a failure as a husband if she pulls away when ever I try to give her a kiss goodbye or refuses to show any act of love or intimacy. Even “I love you” is rewarded with a “shrug”. After all, if I were a good husband, surely no reasonable person could repeatedly demonstrate such apathy to a person whom they loved, respected and valued - even if only in the nature of compromise. For in that compromise they demonstrate the worth of their partner.

      My psych has spent the last few months trying to teach me that “its not my fault” and that I can’t change the way that that other treat me. However, the only alternative I see is to quit, admit that I am a failure as a person and as a husband and set her free so that she can find someone that she does love. Of course, if I quit that denies me the opportunity to find the thing that I need to do to be the person that is worthy of love and respect.

      I feel the same way about friends at work, my sports team, and so on.

      We, as individuals, have no power to control how others treat us. We can each do nothing more than be the best person we can be, live up to the standards that we believe are right and just and then hope that people treat us in a way that honours our conduct and shows our value. As I remind myself every day, while you have a tomorrow, you have the chance to convince those you are about that they need to show you that you have worth. Not all of us are so narcissistic that we can live alone on self approval - I am not so important that my self view is more important than the view reflected by the rest of my community.

      But to Leh, while I have been, and do, sit on the same fence you are sitting on. I put to you the same thing I do every day, and offer the only words of wisdom that I have found to bring me comfort. You always need to be there tomorrow, because tomorrow you have the chance to change things for the better.

    • Dan says:

      11:03am | 06/06/11

      Leh, I use this quote when I feel depressed to cheer me up. Its tough love but its love.

      Let me tell you something you already know. The world ain’t all sunshine and rainbows. It’s a very mean and nasty place, and I don’t care how tough you are, it will beat you to your knees and keep you there permanently if you let it. You, me, or nobody is gonna hit as hard as life. But it ain’t about how hard you hit. It’s about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward; how much you can take and keep moving forward. That’s how winning is done! Now, if you know what you’re worth, then go out and get what you’re worth. But you gotta be willing to take the hits, and not pointing fingers saying you ain’t where you wanna be because of him, or her, or anybody. Cowards do that and that ain’t you. You’re better than that! I’m always gonna love you, no matter what. No matter what happens. You’re my son, you’re my blood. You’re the best thing in my life. But until you start believing in yourself, you ain’t gonna have a life - Rocky Balboa

      You are better than that too Leh. Good luck mate - be strong.

    • Amy says:

      04:07pm | 17/06/11

      Hi, Leh, my fellow human being!  I am Amy.  Although I have never met you nor spoken to you, but I can imagine the intense agony and sorrows that you are going through.  I am “so so sorry that you are going through what you are going through!”  It must have been awful.  I have for a long long time wanted to be a healer in the field of medicine since age 19 to heal my fellow human beings.  Yet, life events—I mean tragic events kept throwing at me at a time when I least expected which involved physical traumatic injuries not once, not twice, but so many times since turned 22.  Evidently, these unnatural and tragic events have violated me and injured me in all parts of my body from head to toe when I was born healthy, strong, and vibrant.  These physical traumatic injuries and unhealed injuries simply created so many physical symptoms and body dysfunctions for me to bear day in and day out during my adult years.  They simply “put a stop” to where I intended and needed to go in life which is to carry out my sole purpose to be a healer.  As a result, I am suffering in my body, heart, mind, soul, and spirit because by fulfilling my purpose as a healer is the only reason why I came to earth to be human.  Ironically, there were tremendous tragic events keep happening to me as if what I went through had not been enough when I thought could finally move forward and be free once and for all and to carry out my true purpose and intention in life!

           

      I agree with you on the fact that people forgot to show respect and dignity to their fellow human beings, and therefore, make these human beings feel like shit and eventually affecting their self-esteem, self-image, self-worth, etc.  You are also absolutely right about the fact that the people with the problems are the disrespectful and toxic ones—not necessarily the people whom had been inaccurately and unethically diagnosed with mental illness.  People whom treated others like nothing are “abusive, oppressive, controlling, manipulative, deceptive, low self-esteem, insecure, and have no clue “who they are” and “what they are” and therefore, they use their own low-self worth and poor self-concept to abusive, poison, and defect and damage people like you and like me.  So, when dealing with toxic, showing and practicing a little self-assertiveness goes a long way.  Try to be and Eventually You Will Be confident with who you are will help you to stand up for yourself and stand up to the bullies—the ones that have mistreated and tortured you. 


      I have encountered so many toxic and destructive people in my life and these people include professionals—doctors, lawyers, etc. when I am the injured party.  However, I know who I am and what I am despite the intensity and magnitude of my sufferings and physical traumatic injuries and the mistreatments I have sustained in my life, I still believe in myself, in my abilities, in my talents, and I am going “to continue search for truths for the greater good” and “to find solutions to eliminate what hurts my daily-life the most!”  I have no other choices, but to stand up for myself and stand up to these toxic people, especially when they mistreated me and I showed them to learn how to respect and treat a human being!  Because none of us needed to be mistreated. 


      We do not let bullies win and we do not let toxic people poisoned and abuse us whether it is our self-esteem, self-image, goals, visions, etc.  So, if we could stay away from the toxic people, we should make a decision to stay away as soon as possible. 

      Have you tried soul-searching?  Perhaps, your inner voice could and would inspire you that even though people are “treating you bad and harsh” when they no right to treat you the way they have treated you, you need to acknowledge that you are still “a valuable and unique human being” regardless.  I am sure you have unique talents, skills, and abilities that other human beings do not and could not have, except you.  Perhaps, the idea of practicing to stand up for yourself and to believe in your skills, abilities, and talents can be one of the avenues for a wounded heart, soul, spirit, mind, and body to find comfort, peace, harmony, justice, and beauty! 

       

      I know it is such as painful and difficult experience to go through when we are not being treated right, treated with respect and dignity, and treated fairly. 

      In addition, I am sure there is at least one person that you interact with on a regular basis simply accept who you are, what you are, and the person you could and would become as a gift to your fellow human beings .  At least, you got yourself to accept who you are and what you are—what can be better than this?  Give thoughts to what I said.  I hope next time, you will be in better and happier situations.  Take care, Leh!


      Sincerely,


      Amy

      Your Fellow Human Being

    • John says:

      06:44am | 05/06/11

      Great article. Burying our heads in the sand will not make suicide disappear. As a medical student, I can say that mental health is a much bigger issue than its media coverage portends. Something like 75% of GP visits are because of an underlying mental health problem, but because of the stigma associated with mental problems, patients often say they have things like a sore tummy, when they are actually feeling depressed, for example.

      We need to reduce the stigma associated with mental health issues. Some people are reluctant to see their doctor about their mental health because they believe that only crazy people need psychological/psychiatric help. This is not the case. Depression and anxiety are significant problems in Australia, and these problems can affect anyone.

      It is unfortunate that mental health issues (along with most other health problems) occur more often in people who are of lower socioeconomic status than in the more privileged. Poorer people are less likely and less able to access health services, especially mental health services, which are inadequately funded.

    • fiona says:

      12:33pm | 06/06/11

      Very well said. Getting treatment for a mental illness is so hard too. I currently have several friends who are literally falling through the cracks who are obviously extremely unwell and distressed but there just aren’t the facilities there to help them. I have friends who live with their ‘secret’ because they feel that anyone who knows they suffer a mental illness will shun them and that it will ruin their chances for a future career. I have friends who have refused to take medication that could have been lifesaving because they were told by their church that it was ‘mind control’ or that mental illness was really a sign of living in sin.
      Educating society - stamping out ignorance and fostering acceptance - and urgently stepping up our public mental health system is an important part of this battle. Long overdue.

    • Erick says:

      09:26am | 05/06/11

      Nice to see all the positive and supportive comments so far. To me, the people who call suicides “cowardly” and “selfish” and the like are a big part of the problem. Such comments only reinforce the feelings of worthlessness and being hated that motivate many to kill themselves.

    • BK says:

      11:28am | 05/06/11

      The real problem is our society’s tendency to speak more positively about people after they die than we ever did when they were alive. It is the way that people mope around saying how sorry we are that we weren’t a little kinder to the recently deceased that really appeals to certain people.
      Maybe we need to find a middle ground between being too critical or laying on the praise too heavily.

    • cure is to help others says:

      09:43am | 06/06/11

      The only way to stop suicide is to stop glorifying it. The only way people will stop feeling hated and worthless is to become worthy and loved by reaching out instead of sucking up everyones energy and love with never giving any in return.

      Suicide should be called the Selfish Disease. A dad and two brothers with severe depression, a cousin with bipolar and a brother in law with schizophrenia as well as a stepdad (schizophrenic) and a daughter with severe depression.
      Brother in law and cousin committed suicide despite getting all the possible attention in the world from family/friends/doctors/hospitals/meds. The one thing all these people have in common is their extreme selfishness. Oh wow is me, poor poor them.
      Everything is always about them. Their poor poor minds can’‘t handle this and it can’t handle that.

      Their cure is compassion, kindness and care for OTHERS not self. To look around and see where THEY can fill a need. But no instead all greed, all about them.

      See how many of them are into drugs, alcohol, chocolates, sweets, prescription meds, all the kind of stuff that creates havoc with your hormones, endorphins and blood sugar levels.

      Well you suckers who feel sorry for them. I wish you all good luck as they drag you with them into hell because that is where these people choose to live. And on their ever so few brighter moments both my brothers and my daughter heartily agrees with me on that.

      A freaking kick up their arse and helping out in the community giving to people who are genuinely in trouble as opposed to oh wow is me’ers.

      A waste of time and a waste of money. Watch how easy and quickly that poor brain of theirs switches when it suits them and they choose to.

      I’m open to the fact that there are always exceptions and some people with depressive illnesses genuinely can’t help themselves. But for the majority of them one diagnoses:

      Selfish disease!

      No affiliation with http://www.pressonaustralia.com

    • Erick says:

      12:12pm | 06/06/11

      That’s exactly the attitude I’m talking about, “cure”. There is one other thing all those depressed and suicidal people around you have in common - and that’s you.

    • slandering as usual erick says:

      12:32pm | 06/06/11

      That is the dumbest comment I have read in my entire life Erick. And it shows how little understanding you have of depression. People don’t get depressed because of the people around them .. no they DEPRESS those around them. Anyone with genuine depression will tell you that there is nothing which brings it on or keeps it going. So called genuine medically defined depression is exactly the opposite of what you’re talking about mate. You’re just slandering as usual.

    • Nick says:

      12:43pm | 06/06/11

      yeah ‘slandering’, i’m sure that the post-modern doctrine of being a dickhead to everyone you meet has nothing to do with it. If you visit the most wealthy, traditional suburbs in the western world, you will find a close-knit group of people who value ethics, social justice and brotherly love far above anything else. I know plenty of people that would have lead a happy life through high-school if there weren’t 10 or 15 morons in the class intent on destroying their self-esteem by bullying and relentless insults every day of the week. However, your ignorance and lack of care for your fellow human beings clearly leads you to such conclusions, so i can only deduce that should you ever fall victim to any kind of misfortune if your life you’ll take it upon yourself to shrivel up and die in a corner.

      Also, for one that’s basing his argument on accusing the other person of ‘slandering’, it’s mightily hypocritical that you’re just sitting there spewing out ad hominem after ad hominem and expecting anybody to take you seriously.

    • Luce says:

      12:47pm | 06/06/11

      @cure, with someone like you around, it’s no wonder none of them are getting better. God help anyone who goes to you with their problems.

    • Erick says:

      01:00pm | 06/06/11

      “People don’t get depressed because of the people around them .. no they DEPRESS those around them.”

      You do realise that statement contradicts itself, don’t you?

    • DS says:

      01:25pm | 06/06/11

      Wow, Erick not expressing hatred and bigotry! Incredible!

    • cure is to help others says:

      02:49pm | 06/06/11

      Never heard of a person committing suicide to be nice or kind to another person. No, really you are the last thing on their mind. Unless it is to get back at you.

      Of course I’m not talking about some poor kid that’s being bullied at school and in despair takes their own life because none of the adults around them steps up to the plate. Or cases like that. And John in his post makes the point that society as a whole is responsible and I couldn’t agree more.

      Instead of attacking people on posts, what is any of you actively doing to make a positive difference in the life of people with mental illnesses? The last twenty five years of my life have virtually been dedicated to it and I know from experience that pussy footing around the mentally ill is utter balony.

      Mentally ill don’t need people driveling over them with counseling and good advice, they need a wholesome society to be part of with aunties and uncles to turn to and places where their skills and talents are utilised and appreciated and put to good use.

      The last thing suicidal/depressed people need is everyone mollycoddling them. They are people just like you and I and simply want their own little place under the sun. Treating them like delicate basket cases won’t give them that place of worth and respect in society they crave.

      So all you wordsmiths, get to it, find some depressed person and give them all this loving care that you know will sort all their ills. Then come back and tell us how you saved these people from being depressed and killing themselves. I dare you with all your knowledge to go out there and put it to good use.

    • stephen says:

      09:55am | 05/06/11

      Does copycat suicides include copycat euthanasias ?
      Would the prevalence of youth suicide have its impetus from the attempt by some to legalize and make acceptable, the purposeful killing of the sick ?
      So much in argument, (as in the blurring of suicide stats.) is just plain unneccesary.
      We should get the truth - whatever that is - so we know what to deal with.

    • Bev says:

      11:18am | 05/06/11

      The bar graphs on cigarette packets show causes of death in Australia (ranked in order) in order to show just how many deaths are caused by smoking. It used to show suicide deaths.  In the last couple of years it has been removed why?  I suspect it’s to promote smoking deaths and sweep suicide under the carpet.  By removing suicide from the graphs it promotes smoking deaths and makes them look more important. I dont blame the government, well indirectly yes for allowing this distortion.  I blame the anti smoking lobby for distorting the truth to suit there own agenda.

    • Luce says:

      01:44pm | 06/06/11

      Their agenda being to stop smokers from dying of cancer by promoting how smoking can cause cancer and kill you, and then doing this via graphs on cigarette packets? Those d**kheads… your point would be more relevant if the anti-smoking lobby used these tactics in suicide prevention ads or other more generalized mediums, but they don’t. And besides, the tobacco companies are a lot more evil then anti-smoking lobbies could possibly be.

    • Dave C says:

      11:38am | 05/06/11

      This is a very good article, often to quote Tony Abbott “shit happens” to people and all too often “assholes cause it” which leads to good people doing bad things and good people wanting to take their own life as a result. There needs to be more publicity about the topic of suicide because then people thinking about can see how its NOT the answer and hopefully seek help. For example Leh, go and get professional help you are hurt because someone/lots of people have hurt you. But its not the answer.

      As for the whole mental illness issue, here is an article from the Sydney Sun Herald, from a politician who has had mental illness.

      http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/my-fellow-mps-show-me-some-justice-20110604-1fm2k.html

      It seems that either a) Mental illness is being reported more and that is a good thing so more people can get help or b) The incidence of mental illness is higher and on the increase as more and more people cannot cope mentally with an ever changing world and the people in it or c) Both a and b.

      Anyways a good article.

    • Harquebus says:

      11:57am | 05/06/11

      What’s with the big black box. Don’t tell me you are stupid enough to use that Flash cr@p too.

    • john says:

      11:57am | 05/06/11

      Usually when I comment on the punch I usually make light hearted and funny comments often with links to funny stuff, however on the topic of suicide that comes up on the punch every now and then completely amazes me that people are bewildered at the fact so many people choose to take their own lives.

      The big question is why people choose to kill themselves? Again I am amazed people can’t see it either, you might say mental illness- well is it?, or even if it is mental illness, is it exacerbated by society or the world as we know it, now that we have more information available at a click of the mouse more intelligent people kill themselves more than ever where suicide is a real option for anyone that wants to ultimately end it and conversely fights the compulsion to do so right up to the point where its too late. I would argue its a broad spectrum- from mental illness,society, personal reasons, self worth, and IMHO the biggest and broadest killer ‘competition’ in every sense you can imagine.
      The concept of competition didn’t reality hit me till high school in the very early 1980’s, where my world changed suddenly and clearly remember that day the teacher took time out to lecture us saying in a nut shell “you are to compete against each other to survive in this world and do what-ever it takes”.  It went against everything I was taught at home, and in primary school throughout the 1970’s and went against my core values completely. We were not allowed to compete in primary school against each other {except on sports days, and even then only team sports mostly} it was frowned upon and even punishable no-one was to leave anyone behind, the mantra was to never leave a fellow human being to feel like a ‘looser’. You felt like family at home and at school, you felt ‘safe’.

      Today more than ever, we compete for ABSOLUTELY everything, partners-same or opposite sex,  exams, positions at uni, space on the roads,trains, sales, co-workers, cheap flights, every single resource, fuel, food every single inch for everything - a very primitive mode to exist in, similar to the herds of wild animals in the Sahara in a drought season - an extremely cruel existence. One in which there are ultimately in the end no winners just losers, whether its on the scale of family,village,towns,cities, countries or the whole world.
      It becomes difficult when you fail final exams, fail to get into uni, failing to obtain employment especially when competing with immigrants who are desperate to work and for next to nothing, failing to secure unemployment benefits for any length of time, failing to obtain an interview from competing candidates, becomes compounded if your gay, or lonely,  not accepted, or almost impossible if your ethic or different in any way, like unattractive, or obese, you just fall further behind. Made worse if family problems or broken families mental &physical; support structures fail. Eventually, pressure and stress amounts to physical illness where it becomes persistent and significantly reduces quality of life. the odds at not having committed suicide by now are not good. One can see now where the option to kill-oneself becomes ‘comforting’ and real, even though it goes completely against the body & mind’s grain to ‘live’ its a loosing battle and way too late for many including people I know who are no longer around.

      The other issues are symptomatic like unfairness,discrimination, greed, etc etc compounding issues leading to people who ultimately cannot cope where minds degenerate and fall into depression or despair etc etc where for some at this point kept propped up with drugs like a final life support, on the brink and finally where the option to not exist becomes so real it feels better than the option to exist.

      Society and the majority of people in it , especially in Australia are not like the wiggles or kylie minogue {bless her sweetness} smile , I have seen societies all over the world, like some other countries we are not that kind or nice - even though we portray we are by giving billions in aid{parliament behavior is a good sample and about right what Australians are really like}. You could throw all the money that exists in the world at the issue, however, people {in this country at least} will kill themselves at a rate nearly twice the road toll, and will continue to do so.

      With the current way society is structured and how “things” are, the good people trying to ‘fix’ or help with the issue of suicide are unfortunately wasting their time or at best fighting a loosing battle in the current ‘climate of society’. Perhaps that is the real climate that needs to change first.

    • excellent comment says:

      04:29pm | 06/06/11

      Excellent post John. Depressed and suicidal are a symptom of a sick society.

    • Ozymandius says:

      12:46pm | 07/06/11

      As a skilled and experienced IT professional who has been driven into depression by my employer, this is exactly right. There is nothing else in my life to explain why I feel these things. It is all purely the result of my workplace and the culture of competition to the point of absurdity, nothing more.

    • michael j says:

      12:11pm | 05/06/11

      Many Different reasons For suicides the pressure on today’s youth to cope in todays complex society ,causing Depression high on the list, carn’t even remember hearing of a youth suicide 40 years ago,
      Still i have lost a few close friends to their own hand and know of far to many
      others,sometimes complex plans are used to carry out the act, 1 instance involving the death of a 17 year old girl 6 mts ago was so scary to me i had to have a in depth talk to my youngest daughter about the pressure of life,
      Mysef i have plenty of history in the Mental Unwellness Dept and have my own ways of dealing with it,along with a hand full of pills every day,,
      The act of suicide passes through everbodys mind at some,that is not to say they are thinking of doing it,,i saw Wally Lewis on tv recounting how he thought about it when going through his medical problems a few years ago
      The Tragic story of the ch 10 lady newsreader who jumped of the cliffs at Sydney was heartbreaking,,If some people can be saved by bringing the subject more to the forefront then that is what must be done,,,,

    • IceKat says:

      01:45pm | 05/06/11

      Governments are so afraid of opening the mental health can of worms because it is a much bigger issue than anyone gives credit for. We all deal with the world differently and I reckon lots of people are afraid of admitting we don’t have everything right yet.
      We need to stop being afraid and just deal with the fact that we make mistakes and that not everyone can handle the same stuff. Once we start helping more we’ll lose fewer priceless lives. EVERYONE is a precious gift.

    • Lisa H. says:

      03:00pm | 05/06/11

      The automatic labelling of suicidal people as ‘mental illness’ is in many ways a red flag.  Generally, our education system teaches us to be independent in our thinking. Humanity is innovative, flexible and innovative… it stands to reason that suicide is a possibility for a being that is advanced as we are.
      Yet, to entertain such thoughts is automatically labelled an illness, as if we were no more autonomous than a bird in the bush.

      I would argue that the areas of psychology and psychiatry are still at a fairly primitive level of understanding of the brain, its evolution, and how it works. Treatment can be ad-hoc and indeed the whole area of mental illness diagnosis seems somewhat subject to ‘fashion’.

      If mental illness diagnosis is increasing, it could be a reflection of two things: that people are more readily seeking help, which is likely… and that more people are having trouble coping with the increasingly individualistic society in which we live. But if more people are breaking down, is it the people themselves that are really the problem?

    • marley says:

      04:55pm | 05/06/11

      Some interesting thoughts there - but if we discount suicide by older folks who have serious illnesses, I think we are looking at mental illness to a considerable extent. 

      I’m not convinced it’s our individualistic society that’s at the root - firstly because I’m not convinced our society is any more individualistic now than it was a century ago, and secondly because suicide rates in some of the more “caring” societies (like the Nordic countries) are a lot higher than they are here. 

      So, I’m inclined to think that mental issues, including depression, are the things we do need to focus on.  Clearly, there are a whole lot of other factors at play as well, one of which is culture (Japan has a very high suicide rate, for example).  And it would be interesting to know why it is that in all societies, men are three or four more times more likely to commit suicide than women (and, to forestall Erick, this is equally true in countries where feminism has a foothold and where it does not).

      Lots of questions, not a lot of answers.

    • Luc says:

      08:27pm | 05/06/11

      Marley - “firstly because I’m not convinced our society is any more individualistic now than it was a century ago”

      What kind of planet are you living on? LaLaland? To even think that anything is like it was 100 years is putting your head in the sand and pretending the modern day problems that are destroying the fabric of a civilised society don’t exist.

      Quite frankly it’s this type of attitude and thinking that’s the problem.

      People like you should be utterly ashamed of yourselves.

    • marley says:

      08:32am | 06/06/11

      @Luc - no, I’m not living in la-la land - I’m living in the real world - and that means the world, not just inner Sydney.  And “modern society” is just a bit wider than what’s on offer in society. 

      Has the world changed in a century?  Of course it has. industrialization, technology, mass migration, have all had their impacts - but is our society being torn apart? Changing yes, disintegrating, no, I don’t think so.

      In Australia, perhaps the biggest change in terms of social relationships in the last century has been the breakdown of traditional, multi-generational family structures - but has that had an impact on suicide rates?  Suicide rates are actually at a lower level now than they were 10 years ago.  The highest suicide rate in Australia occurred during the 1930s, not in our allegedly individualistic and greedy “noughties.”

      And in any case, the breakdown of the family doesn’t apply to most of the world - Italians still have three generations under one roof, so do Indians and Japanese and Zambians.  Yet their suicide rates, like ours, bounce up and down.

      Our society may seem uncaring and individualistic, and it’s easy to link that to suicide rates.  However,  I doubt that you would argue the same of Swedish or Japanese society, yet their suicide rates are far higher than ours. 

      So, yes,  I think it’s simplistic to argue that individualism is the root cause of suicide.  There’s a lot more than greed, capitalism and competition at play here, and if we simply blame everything on the breakdown of the family or the competitiveness of modern society, we’re going to miss other, perhaps more important factors.

      And I’m not in the slightest bit ashamed of my opinion.

    • Jemima says:

      03:07pm | 05/06/11

      I have tried to kill myself semi regularly since i was 15, always via overdose. The last time was in 2008 where I was admitted to hospital and diagnosed with BPD in addition to depression which I already knew I had. On release, I was advised of be referred to a local hospital for counselling and treatment. Only to get a letter five days later saying they didn’t have room for me.
      I’ve spent nearly two decades on and off anti-depressants which have ballooned my weight, impacted my sleep, dulled my sex drive and killed my orgasm. The problem is that people are always looking for the quick solution (i.e. medication) and not prepared to invest in the treatments that get results (i.e. CBT, counselling etc).
      Can’t agree more with the authors sentiments

    • Phil says:

      05:50pm | 05/06/11

      Lets face it there is no money to be made in Suicide like there is for speeding \ the road toll.

      Everyones going to die one day, why do so many people have an issue with people taking their own lives in the way they wish and when they have “had enough” of living \ the world.

      Look around, its not nearly as rosy as everyone would have you believe.

    • Tim says:

      10:07am | 06/06/11

      Because mental illness is treatable and crises will pass, but death does not. We live in a society that doesn’t hand down a death penalty to mass murderers, but by your logic it’s ok to do that to someone suffering depression?

    • Luce says:

      01:56pm | 06/06/11

      Because its not solely about the tragic waste of life and potential, and the heart wrenching circumstances these people do it in, its also about the people around them and how their lives are ruined by such an event. To die of old age is one thing. For a teenager to take their own life, leaving behind their parents and young friends.. Why wouldn’t we fight to prevent such a horrible occurrence?

    • Switchy says:

      07:12pm | 05/06/11

      As Leh rightfully points out, the problem isnt people who want to kill themselves, the problem is we have a society in which the majority of people are selfish, rude creatures who show no respect for thought in how they treat others, thus pushing people to the edge and to the point where life means nothing to them. Leh, I hope that you find even ONE person that can shine some light in your life, all it takes is ONE person and I hope that person comes along for you, as there are many people out there that simply do not deserve the so-called “happiness” they have because it usually comes at the cost of someone else’s sense of worth.  And Lisa. H you are spot on. It’s easy to label people who want to committ suicide as having a “mental illness”, when in fact the real mentally ill people are those who stand by and allow people to be treated in such a way that it makes them contemplate suicide, and those that ignore people that are so obviously crying out for help.

    • Debbie says:

      09:58pm | 05/06/11

      It is so much more prevalent than we believe. In the past couple of months, 3 close friends of mine have had a friend or family member commit suicide. I find it totally shocking that more attention isn’t paid to it. I have had a close friend try to commit suicide, she didn’t succeed and went on to have a happy life, but still feel guilt that I didn’t manage to stop her trying. Suicide has a huge impact on family and friends and more needs to be done to address the issues and help people who harbour thoughts of suicide.

    • trixie says:

      10:30pm | 05/06/11

      I believe people who want to die should have that choice.  My Son committed suicide last year. He him self felt their was no reason to live.  Who am I to judge, how do I know what it was like to be in his shoes.???????

    • Luce says:

      02:04pm | 06/06/11

      You don’t, but wouldn’t you have done almost anything to have given him a reason to live?

    • Mike says:

      10:32pm | 05/06/11

      I have attempted suicide several times, but each time I have been “rescued” by someone.  Now I look around and realise that I don’t want to go there again.  My life is too good now, and I nearly wasted it.

      Sure, I have to take drugs to keep the black dog away, but it’s a small price to pay for the life I appreciate so much more since I tried to throw it all away.

      Hang in there and get help.  Things CAN get better.

    • Narelle Schonhardt says:

      07:42am | 06/06/11

      Thanks for writing this article, I wish the media in Qld would not ignore suicide, my son ended his life last year, we tried so hard to get him help, he was not medicated. He attempted suicide, 3 times in 3 months, the best advice we were given was to ignore him. He was successful on his 4th attempt. Since my son’s death I have learnt so much, I thought our story was unbelievable, I have since learnt, it is how most people are treated. I have written to many media outlets, I have never even received so much as a return email or phone call.

    • Shane* says:

      10:13am | 06/06/11

      Thirty comments so far and not one mentioning grief, divorce or bereavement as a catalyst for divorce. Typical.

      Instead we accept the “fact” that 70% of suicides are down to mental illness. Frankly, I call BS. If someone can find me evidence to support this, I’m happy to change my mind, but keep in mind it can’t simply be a half-baked Pscholgy study that asks “Do you sometimes feel very very sad?” and then ticks the “Clinical depression” box.

      If we wanted to cut the suicide rate, we would establish counselling services for men (and to a lesser extent women) going through divorce.

    • Baxter Sin says:

      10:57am | 06/06/11

      How interesting that the churches have got involved. It’s OK to speak out about preventing suicide triggered by mental illness or depression. But if you’re a christian there’s no addressing suicide by people who are terminally ill, or younger people who are gay.

      How ironic that the cause preaches the cure.

    • Shane* says:

      11:19am | 06/06/11

      What an idiotic comment.

    • BL says:

      11:47am | 06/06/11

      No Shane*, it’s a perfectly sane comment. Religious dominations should not be involved unless that accept that ALL people who are depressed or have a mental illness deserve help - not just ones that are straight and white. If you have a look at suicide statistics within young men, almost half of them are gay men killing themselves - and the church certainly has a role in this in how they discriminate and tell these people they are going to “hell” - it’s hardly the thing one wants to hear then they battling suicidal thoughts.

    • Shane* says:

      12:23pm | 06/06/11

      OK, BL, find me one example of any church excluding someone from help because they’re not white. I think you’ll be searching a while.

      And while I’m sure there are some fringe-psuedo-cult churches that won’t help gays, I think you’d be hard pressed to find an example of such things in the major Anglican or Catholic health providers.

      Baxter Sin made a blanket statement that churches are a cause of suicide. I called him/her out on it because churches are usually a safety net. As I said before, you might find the odd fire-and-brimstone counselling service, but the vast vast majority are compassionate and accepting people who priorities are keeping people alive first and foremost… with evangelising and preaching a far-distant second. Unfortunately people outside the box criticise with no first-hand knowledge whatsoever. The ongoing attack on religion by the gay lobby actually does gays in Australia a disservice.

      I’d be interested to know where you got your supposedly- official ‘almost half of young male suicides are gay men’ statistics from, since the AIHW doesn’t categorise people any further than male/female.

    • Davo says:

      03:32pm | 06/06/11

      “The ongoing attack on religion by the gay lobby actually does gays in Australia a disservice.”

      Yes, and there’s no attacking going on from the Church’s side is there. Perhaps you should stop making such bias-statements. They make you look like a complete fool… much like most Labor voters in their laughable arguments.

    • F.S says:

      12:26pm | 06/06/11

      Not enough people realise mental illness is not something you choose or can ‘snap out of’. Life could be absolutely ‘perfect’ for someone and they could still be suicidal.
      I am sick of people being misunderstood, told to put on a smile and they’ll feel better, or even worse shunned because of their mental illness. Ignorance compounds an already distressing, debilitating disease.
      I have even had friends told by their church that their need for antidepressant medication was a sign that they were living in sin!

    • casey says:

      12:45pm | 06/06/11

      Well done for writing this article. It is the elephant in the room, but WHY?? Please do not bother commenting unless you have lived with a mental illness. You do not know what happens to the mind when illness takes over. All rational thoughts go to shit and depressive mindsets take place. It is a cruel, debilating cycle of pain and, for those who can’t handle it any more, they suicide. Ever thought how lonely some people are? They need help. Look around you.

    • Luce says:

      04:18pm | 06/06/11

      Well said, casey. I didn’t have any idea how lonely and debilitating depression could be until I went through it myself, and it completely floored me. When you’re stuck in that place, it’s like slowly drowning, while watching the world continue as normal through a glass window. Since then, I swore I would never be the person who avoids eye contact when I recognize someone else is in trouble.

    • Kassandra says:

      04:27pm | 06/06/11

      The suicide rate has fallen substantially over the past 20 years in many countries including Australia. This fall followed an equally substantial rise over the preceding 30 years. The reasons for these changes are completely unknown. Some people have tried to credit antidepressants and/or government sponsored mental health programmes for the fall but it was happening before the programmes or the widespread use of the “SSRI” drugs since the early 1990s, so those are not credible reasons.
        “Mental illness” is often blamed, and most serious forms of mental illness do carry lifetime suicide risks of 10-15%, but this group is a minority of suicides and the incidence of mental illness has not changed. It is self-evident that happy people do not suicide but this is not the same as saying unhappy people are mentally ill. Those who suicide are lonely, isolated, demoralised and rejected or ostracised. Suicide is usually deliberate and planned. It is a solution of last resort to an unbearable situation. It is not impulsive, cowardly, vengeful or selfish. For some people being “suicidal” is a form of help-seeking or a way of expressing their distress rather than reflecting an intention to self-murder. People who are suicidal because they are ill can be treated successfully, and the much greater number who are suicidal because they are suffering human beings can be helped to overcome this by skilled psychological interventions. Raising awareness about these things can be only to the good.

    • tp says:

      05:27pm | 06/06/11

      So i just sat here for half an hour and read every post.

      And you know what i deduced from all of this?

      People suck!!

      How could you honestly comment on these issues if you have not been there yourself? And if you have then why would post comments like this? They are mean and are hurtful. And all I can say is dont judge! EVER!! even if you have been there, you cant stereotype, you cant presume and you defiantly cant judge. So STOP, because all of this shit is just adding to the awful stigma.

    • About what sucks says:

      11:21pm | 06/06/11

      You know what sucks? Leaving behind beautiful kind caring people because for a single moment some one decides that their pain is bigger than the pain they are causing for the rest of their lives to those that love them.
      Or even worse, they don’t care.
      Now that really really sucks. All these wonderful people left behind who tried so hard and meant so well and gave so much and have to live for the rest of their lives with a pain they didn’t cause because some one either didn’t care enough about them or needed payback. Someone just didn’t care enough about those left behind to hang in there for a little longer, try a little harder and not only grab that outstretched hand but kept holding it, just because .. That really sucks. Because the people left behind they are the ones grieving after often horrendous ordeals and trials trying to help their loved ones.

      Now tp that really sucks, just one single person creating so much havoc for many loving people all around them.

      There is a disclaimer here for those people obviously who would not fall in that category. And if this post upsets you well maybe it was not meant for you or maybe this is just what you needed to hear.

    • jim morris says:

      11:30pm | 06/06/11

      Gee Lainie you failed to mention that 4 or 5 times as many males kill themselves as females. It would be headlines every day if it was the other way around. The times I feel as though life is not worth living is when I’m continually reminded that women have pretty much taken control of our society and they are just as greedy and power obsessed as the men they denounced in the past. Trouble is they are twice as devious.
      My two daughters keep me going when the wall of women closes in and I see the way they have subverted our institutions and exploited the natural stupidity of the tame males.
      My nephew committed suicide last year and I respect his courage. He had no kids and took the gamble that being dead was better than living on his knees. Wanting to die should not always be considered as mental illness. Throughout history people have chosen death for many noble reasons.
      Economics is a major factor in male suicide and I suggest that instead of paying psychologists or psychiatrists for dubious treatment it would be far more effective to just give the money to the person so broke and shamed they can’t see a future. Nothing like money to brighten someone up.

    • marley says:

      08:54am | 07/06/11

      @jim - the only problem with your theory - that it’s all to do with the rise of feminism - is that the difference in male vs female suicide rates is pretty much the same in every society, from the ones where women have equal rights, like ours, to the ones where women have virtually none,  like some of the Muslim countries. 

      Yes, economics has quite a bit to do with it - suicide rates went up during the Depression, and went down again afterwards - but that’s not the only factor either, or we wouldn’t have teenage boys committing suicide.  I doubt that handing them money would solve their issues, but research and counselling might help them get through that difficult period.

 

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