Australia has an international reputation as visionary for the way we managed the HIV epidemic in the 1980s. While countries like the US were being sidetracked by extremists claiming the virus was a sign God was venting his wrath on homosexuals, Australians acted rationally.

Our governments, our health experts and our media got the message out: HIV was primarily spread through blood and semen. Safer sex and injecting practices could stem the tide.

If you go online today you’ll find countless websites devoted to that message. Many of them are hosted overseas. Many of them give detailed instructions on drug injection and describe, in necessarily explicit language, sexual activity that would be deemed illegal to show in a film made for entertainment purposes under Australian law.

Under a new mandatory filtering regime being proposed by the Federal Government many of these sites could wind up on a blacklist that internet service providers will be required to block.

Our current media content regulation regime is a bowl of spaghetti - actually, it’s a bowl of left-over spaghetti someone stuck at the back of the fridge in the 1980s and that successive governments keep reheating.

Let me explain: under our current regime some parts of the media are largely self-regulating (most news and current affairs media, advertising), some are co-regulated (talkback radio), some are highly regulated (video games) or banned from sale entirely (X18+ material in all Australian states). It’s a system which was built reactively, inconsistently and as a result of political pressure by minority groups rather than through careful consideration of what Australians want, what they think should be available to whom, and how they actually negotiate media use in their own families.

The online world makes it imperative that we rethink this system from first principles. It’s a world in which media consumers have become media producers and in which the means of distributing media content is open to even very young consumers.

The other day I discovered my son and his friend videoing their bums with my mobile phone and trying to work out how to upload the “hilarious” results onto YouTube. They’re seven years old. It’s a great anecdote for his 21st birthday.  But it also underlines the complexity of the digital, mobile and online era.

Parents, educators and child guardians are all faced with enormous challenges when it comes to balancing the risks and opportunities of the internet. So is our Federal Government. If we simply apply parts of the current flawed and inconsistent media regulation scheme – however window dressed – we miss a huge opportunity for reform.

The current government is clearly committed to embracing the opportunities of the online and mobile media era. The National Broadband Network is proof of that. But in dealing with the risks they need to deal clearly with the public policy detail.

Under a mandatory filtering regime – which would mean that Internet Service Providers were required to block content hosted overseas as well as here – serious questions arise about the scope of content filtered when the pool of material will be so large.

According to Minister Conroy’s announcement yesterday the mandatory filtering of internet content in Australia will proceed according to a list drawn up on the basis of the RC classification. It’s a category that doesn’t just deal with abhorrent material like child pornography, bestiality and active incitement to violence. Given the current broad terms under which material is slotted into the category it would also potentially embrace sites where people talked therapeutically about child sex abuse experiences, accessed information about safe sex and drug injecting practices, or engaged in serious political dialogue about what motivates terrorist groups.

An equally important question that remains unanswered by Senator Conroy’s announcement yesterday is what kind of information ordinary Australians will have about what goes on the mandatory filtering list.

If Australia adopts a mandatory internet filtering regime – a regime that puts responsibility for blocking at the access end of the spectrum – it will distance us from our Western liberal counterparts in the US, the UK and across the great bulk of the European Union. They have all adopted systems that emphasise collaboration between industry, government and the public to prevent access to the worst kinds of material. Where there is mandatory filtering – in Italy and Germany – the mandatory filtering is carefully confined to child pornography and gambling sites.

Blocking the worst kind of content should be a public priority. The real question is whether a mandatory regime is the best system for doing that and whether Australia’s current system is set up to do it well.

In a world where much of the media content people access is online there are some serious questions that remain unanswered about what will disappear from our computer screens and whether we’ll have a right to know when and why.

Given the video provided above, who knows if you’d even get the chance to read this column under the proposed mandatory filtering regime.

Untangling the Net - The Scope of Content Caught by Mandatory Internet Filtering

 

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    • paul says:

      07:29am | 16/12/09

      Good questions. Hopefully Conroy has given himself enough rope to hang himself with young voters and net based businesses, while ironically the average teenager and crim will be bypassing the filter anyway. Another control freak politician having his day in the sun, lazily copying retarded, censorship and anti-commerce Howard policy. That I presume the Monk will copy too. Any new ideas Canberra?

    • Jeff from Meroo says:

      07:34am | 16/12/09

      I’m expecting to read in the headlines soon that Conroy has become the head of the newly formed Ministry of Truth.

      “He gazed up at the enormous face. Forty years it had taken him to learn what kind of smile was hidden beneath the dark mustache. O cruel needless misunderstanding! O stubborn, self-willed exile from the loving beast. Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother.”

    • Wayne Hutchins says:

      07:50am | 16/12/09

      This is utter madness and I for one will be marching in the streets in protest. Who has the right to tell me as an adult what is acceptable or not. There is not one politician that has the right to sit in judgment of me. The word politician goes hand in hand with other words like sex scandal, corruption, snouts in trough and so on. Its in the paper everyday. I will not be nannied anymore. Enough is enough! This rot has got to stop. You can’t protect people from everything. Some of us have just got to get hurt. I was looking at this bird in a hollow tree branch just last night on dusk and it made me think. That little bird has no back up and no support. It is on it’s own and has to deal with what ever it is dealt with. Break a wing and that’s it, all over rover. It could do what ever it wants but mostly would always do the responsible thing. I’ts very life depends on it.  Sometimes I think I would like to be the bird….

    • Tony Cooper says:

      08:02am | 16/12/09

      Why do we have to develop everything ourselves?
      If I read this article correctly, the Italians & Germans have a working system in place - this sounds like a logical (and proved) starting point. Would be cheap, effective and the results can be measured.
      Then there’s the normal filters provided by the ‘Nortons’ of this world - parental filters.
      Imagine a world where someone like Conroy dictates what you can see, hear, do & think!
      This whole Dictorial government has got out of control and, in such a short time!
      What’s next - everyone’s lawn will be cut to precisely the same length?

    • John A Neve says:

      08:13am | 16/12/09

      Let me make it very clear, I am opposed to any form of internet filtering.

      Having said that, I am concerned with the lack of understanding shown by Wayne Hutchins @ 0750hrs.

      Wayne say “This is utter madness” and goes on to say “There is not one politician that has the right to sit in judgement of (sic) me”. It is worth remembering Wayne, we elect them. All laws are made by politicians, Judges are given parameters within which to work and these are defined by politicians.

      The people reneged on their role in our democracy years ago, we like being told what to do. We whinge but never act, we are the ultimate Nanny State.
      Whatever goes wrong, it’s the fault of government. Forget personal freedom Wayne, that went out with button-up boots.

    • Stephen Collins says:

      08:29am | 16/12/09

      The only piece of sensible coverage so far in the mainstream media. Thank you Catharine!

      We should all be well worried about this, and up in arms, yet the heritage journos seem to have no clue on the impacts.

    • Sally says:

      09:10am | 16/12/09

      If I say I think the censorship filter is crap, do you think I will get black listed from the internet forever?

    • DG says:

      09:10am | 16/12/09

      While I agree with the points of the original post. I think the scariest, from a “big brother” perspective is “... questions that remain unanswered about what will disappear from our computer screens and whether we’ll have a right to know when and why”.

      How will we know what has disappeared? What is the consequences for attempting to look at material that has been filtered out? What is the consequence for possessing material that ‘should’ have been filtered out?

      Not only that, I have substantial concerns about this concept of “likely to cause offence to a reasonable adult” - this ignores the question of whether the offence is justified.

      Take for example your average religious individual - That person can be completely reasonable and is likely to take offence to Dawkins statements in “The God Delusion”. Should that material be banned? It could be expected to offend a reasonable person.

      In our current society it takes very little effort to find “a reasonable person that could be offended” by anything.

      Take for example recent outrage about group sex - it became apparent during this year that quite a few people find the idea of group sex highly offensive behaviour. Inevitably, information with respect to arranging group sex would be highly offensive to such persons. Should web based material relating to group sex be “blocked” as material that could cause offence to a reasonable person?

      The reasonable person test is, in the current environment, aimed the wrong way. By that I mean, the question is asked “Could a reasonable person be offended”. The question should be asked it the opposite tense “Could a reasonable person watch this and not be offended”.

      The later is substantially more permissive and, I would suggest, more consistent with the expectations of the majority (possibly a small majority) of Australians today. It is not subject to the whim of the conservative elements of society any more than it is subject to the more liberal elements (who, for example, may find websites advocating mandatory sentencing or the death penalty highly offensive).

      The more permissive perspective would probably prohibit child sex material, websites promoting anorexia and the likes, but would allow some websites that were perhaps less offensive such as websites hosting jokes that may be racially insensitive or sexist - and as such, highly offensive to some persons.

      After all, when the Government gets a request to block a website full of jokes about Aboriginal people ( I choose Aboriginal begin as I am an Aboriginal person, it could be blonde jokes, Irish jokes, or Kiwi jokes) - what option is there but to ban that site as a site that a reasonable adult could find offensive? I suggest that such a website should be permitted so long as it does not advocate FOR violence against any group.

    • Mick says:

      09:12am | 16/12/09

      I want to know if they’re going to filter personal emails…

      What’s the point in having a firewall at all if Joe Blow in South Dakota can email you 5,000 bestiality pics and they go through unfiltered?

      Don’t even mention VPN’s and other assorted tricks that WILL be used by those who they are trying to catch and leave the innocent users at the will of the Governments ban hammer.

    • Nick says:

      09:20am | 16/12/09

      The media doesn’t seem to care about this which is a shame because the people do. Gen Y will not let Rudd get away with this. It was the second most Twittered thing worldwide yesterday. The No Internet Censorship Facebook Group doubled in membership, Rudd’s Facebook page has abuse all over it. Getup signed 20,000 more to their petition. I’ve sent several emails to MP’s but Rudd isn’t listening. He will pay at the ballot box.

    • Amber says:

      09:31am | 16/12/09

      Maybe children wouldn’t be exposed to that sort of thing online if parents gave them a book to read, rather than sticking them in front of a computer.

      Stephen Conroy, you’re an idiot. Not everyone has or wants children.

    • Max says:

      09:36am | 16/12/09

      And wasn’t it convenient that Rudd announced that R18+ ratings review for games on the same day that Conroy announced he was going to filter the internet.  Smokescreen anyone?

    • mid says:

      09:47am | 16/12/09

      This whole thing is a bit silly. Conroy has been told repeatedly that this will not stop the worst offenders from getting access to the filth that they want to. A simple Tor client will make this whole thing meaningless.
      One thing I want to know though, is what is being logged in this all encompassing Great Firewall of Australia? And if logging will not be enabled from the outset, how easy is it to enable later down the track?

    • fitter says:

      10:09am | 16/12/09

      Australia is now officially the biggest nanny state on the planet. There is nothing that the government hasn’t regulated, censored or taxed, its just amazing. How is it a politician or government has the right to tell me what is suitable to look at one the net?  Seriously Conroy, you are an idiot ! Join Getup and do something to stop this madness.

    • Ben says:

      10:17am | 16/12/09

      Thankyou Catherine for objectively highlighting the issues we are facing with this horrible proposal. As it currently stands, this is a sad day for the free democratic world

    • SC says:

      10:18am | 16/12/09

      This is why we need a “Bill of Rights” equivalent that protects free speech. When total censorship is viewed as a “go-to” solution to control what information we have access to, regardless of the reasons, there are larger problems in the room. They’re going to start with stuff that’s no one should be looking at, fair enough. But it will also lay down the infrastructure of easy censorship with no oversight on the censors - so when they decide to start blocking more things it’s as easy as a button press. People should make their own decisions about what they and their families watch, and clear information and technology to enable them to make informed choices. When the censors come out, it’s a dealbreaker. @Mid - You’re absolutely correct, technically-minded or highly motivated people will be able to bypass the filter with some effort, making this only applicable to normal people.

    • John A Neve says:

      10:34am | 16/12/09

      SC @ 1018hrs,
      Says” we need a “Bill of Rights”, no we don’t, what we need is for people to take our democracy seriously. Write you local member and make your views known.  Withdraw your vote at elections, just what the outcry if and when 25% of the electorate don’t vote. Take time to make an appointment with you Federal member and tell them you are unhappy and why. We do live in a DEMOCRACY don’t we?

      “Bill of Rights”!!!!!!  Our parliament does not even abide by our Constitution.

    • Socrates says:

      10:36am | 16/12/09

      Conroy is on record as saying that “the community” will have the opportunity to nominate “inappropriate” content to ban.  This sounds like every fundamentalist single issue lobby group may get all their demands met in return for Senate and other votes.

      Apart from the fact that the Great Australian Filter won’t work as claimed, so parents will get a false sense of security from the political lies now being told, the power of any future government to secretly ban content is a latent abuse of democracy.

      Sooner or later, politicians will be unable to resist the temptation to use their power to censor opposing points of view, and we won’t know about it because it’s all secret, with heavy penalties for disclosing details of what has been banned.

    • Dave says:

      10:39am | 16/12/09

      I( think the main problem is that they are trying to draw a line in the sand without considering the broader implications. I fully agree with blocking child pornography, bestiality and other criminal stuff. What I don;t agree with is the blocking of all the rest. Out politicians are out of touch with the majority of the population; they are all rich white guys, over 50 for the most part. They grew up in an era of sexual repression and social censorship.

      We are about to see the true face of politics in Australia, the one where the prudish, moral minority truly has the power. Even Child Advocacy groups have said this filter won;t work, but the government has chosen a course and are sticking to it.

      And here some food for thought;  I wonder if they have even thought about he fact that this information came from TELSTRA, a company who they are trying to break up and sparing with in court.

    • adamsmith says:

      10:40am | 16/12/09

      For me and a number of a peers this is a vote changer at the next election (providing Abbott and company stick to their guns on the issue), despite our general dislike of conservative politics.

      The Labor party should think very hard about what they are starting.  No one objects to an ‘opt in’ system, but mandatory filtering of material for adults is crazy.  The government has not answered whether it will apply just to RC material, or to material that hasn’t been up for classification as well.

    • James says:

      10:41am | 16/12/09

      I know this goes against the grain of the responses so far, but personally, I have no need of child pornography (or pornography of any description), or explicit descriptions of how to have safe sex, or how to inject properly, or how to conduct a terrorist attack.  It all seems a little bit like a storm in a teacup to me. 

      I understand that to some of you there is a principle at stake, but would you really want to see any of the kind of things they are going to filter?  To my mind, this is like the welfare quarantine - the only ones who will be affected by it are the ones doing the wrong thing to begin with.

    • Jason says:

      10:42am | 16/12/09

      Thankfully we have a stronger opposition now, and despite his religious convictions, Tony Abbott can still apply a logical solution to a problem rather than knee jerk banning and big brother tactics.  I’m a parent and have implemented my own protection measures - who the hell is this Conroy guy and when did he become Father Superior?  I’m looking forward to seeing the legislation defeated.

    • Zeta says:

      10:46am | 16/12/09

      I’ve been wondering, given that Australians sign a contract with their Internet Service Providers to receive access to ‘the Internet’; if the definition of ‘Internet’ is not now a little rubbery with the application of the content filter.

      I didn’t sign up to Telstra’s Bigpond service to receive a cribbed version of the Internet. It would be interesting to try to end a Telstra Bigpond contract on the basis that the service rendered has now been irrevocably changed.

      In the meantime though, I suggest users download http://www.anchorfree.com/downloads/hotspot-shield/ or https://ssl.alwaysvpn.com/ as soon as possible. I imagine the Government will add those websites that aid circumventing the content filter to their blacklists, so setting up Virtual Private Network software now is a must.

      Both programs create encrypted tunnels to United States servers, which allow you to browse anonymously and hide the details of your browsing from your own ISP. As an added bonus, they let you watch streaming videos from The Comedy Channel, which thanks to Viacom and Fox, we can’t do here.

    • G says:

      10:56am | 16/12/09

      With Conroy and Rudd who are now the equivalent of the centre right side of politics censoring the internet. 

      The Liberals currently stand against the proposal, however if Tony Abbott gets lobbied by special interest religious groups he will likely follow suit with a internet filter plan.

      In addition, the Greens are putting up the “public intellectual” *cough cough, yeah right* Clive Hamilton from the public policy think tank Australia Institute, who although purports himself to be left leaning on politics is actually in support of the internet filter.

      Except voting for a independent on the lower house, who won’t give their preference vote to any of the major parties or the Greens.

    • Steve says:

      11:03am | 16/12/09

      I find the outrage here disgusting.

      There is no restraint on personal liberty.
      Any pedophile or terrorist will still be able view illegal material just by going there via an encrypted proxy server.
      I would guess that they already do.

      All that this filtering would do is to prevent unintentional access to illegal material.

      It will protect the innocent, with no impact on civil liberties and negligible cost to the community.

    • TH says:

      11:05am | 16/12/09

      I largely agree with this article, but I take issue with the statement that “Blocking the worst kind of content should be a public priority”, even setting aside the mandatory ISP-level madness of the current proposal.

      What is this content doing that is so harmful? If you don’t like it, don’t look at it. If you don’t want your kids looking at it, don’t let them. Where is the evidence that this is anything more than some windmill for the think-of-the-children-brigade to tilt at?

      All filters can be circumvented. Nothing will stop people who do want to access “objectionable” content. If the material is of a nature that its production, distribution or even possession is a criminal matter - well, that’s a criminal matter. If it was produced and/or is hosted overseas, our police should cooperate with the relevant foreign police force.

      The clean feed is a non-solution to a non-problem.

    • JaZZ says:

      11:09am | 16/12/09

      How many of you against internet filtering have children? And the one’s suggesting a ‘loss of freedom’. Please! You have no idea what it means to be free. Free from sick rubbish that some of you entertain yourselves with - but you still have the freedom to switch the pc off and do some exercise. If one of the filtered images was tattooed to your forehead would you still want it to be viewed by everyone?

    • Joel B1 says:

      11:16am | 16/12/09

      It’s a fairly expensive way of buying Xenaphons vote. But obviously worth it.

    • JF says:

      11:18am | 16/12/09

      But paul! the Howard government gave you the choice. Censor your net, or dont censor your net. we really dont care what you do, but we’ll supply you with the means to censor it if you wish.
      Conroy and the Krudd government, dont even give you a choice.
      know where else they do that? North Korea.
      Its a very fine line that they are crossing at the moment, between freedom of speech democracy, and do as we say communism.

    • mid says:

      11:23am | 16/12/09

      @Steve, Yeah, we will no longer have to be concerned about accidentally browsing to those heinous gold coast dentistry web sites.

    • Rob says:

      11:25am | 16/12/09

      Conroy’s term is up at the next election, I’m planning on running against him, guess what my main policy is going to be?

    • John A Neve says:

      11:26am | 16/12/09

      JaZZ @ 1109Hrs.

      What difference does it make if one has children or not?
      The primary carer for a child is it’s parents, of that there is no question.
      As fo “sick rubbish” who difines that, you JaZZ?
      Once a national internet filter is in place, you will never know what has or hasn’t been filtered out.
      For those the haven’t, I suggest you read Brave New World, in fact I suggest you read anything, it might, just might broaden your outlook.

    • mid says:

      11:25am | 16/12/09

      @JF, the most hilarious thing about the optional filter provided by the previous government is that they canned it because it wasn’t popular.

      Take a hint Conroy?

    • Steve says:

      11:26am | 16/12/09

      First they took our guns; then freedom of speech and now they start to implement what information we can access online. When ETS is approved they will intrude further into our individual rights.

    • Tony says:

      11:32am | 16/12/09

      It won’t so anything to stop child porn as it cant stop data transfers on P2P. I’ll bet half the sites blocked end up being ones that criticise Beloved Great Leader Chairman Lu-Kewin.

    • Mark says:

      11:37am | 16/12/09

      A very good article.

      The use of interent content filtering is generally bad, but Australias is moving on toward fascism, maybe burn the books next. The ill-will created by Conroy will now even spur on activities to spite his plans.

      That said it will also be ineffective. Theres 56.6 ways to circumvent it for those who really want something. It was easy as email to circumvent the one used in Thailand to prevent the spread of a some comment the Govt didnt want their people to read.

      A better solution is the co-operative scheme to only block the worst content as outlined in the article.

    • MadMax says:

      11:37am | 16/12/09

      I don’t want this strongly conservative Catholic Conroy telling me what I can and can’t do.

    • Nick says:

      11:38am | 16/12/09

      Yes JaZZ, won’t somebody please think of the children!!!! (Classic Simpsons)

      The filter will do nothing for children. Nothing. If we are to believe Conroy, it won’t block adult porn, nor will it stop the underground networks that deal in child porn.

    • N says:

      11:39am | 16/12/09

      Make no mistake, this bill is to put in place a modern day Gestapo. Strong opening statement I know, but think about it, you are now allowing the government to control what you have access to. Consider a debate like the ETS for example, it would be very easy to block sites that appose such legislation in an attempt to win over the populous by only allowing sites that push the governments agenda. This move truly is an attempt to control the minds of all Australians no matter how you slice it.

      I for one despise rock spiders and their elk who trade in child porn and such, but this won’t stop them. Wrap enough encryption around anything and or tunnel it, and there is no way a filter can stop it. Who here honestly believes that child porn is traded via websites? I think you’ll find its more P2P networks, email and alike; all of which are next to impossible to filter, block or analyse in real time. The “filter” is a DNS black list (thanks wikileaks for that info) which is fine for content hosted on a static IP address like web servers. However those with home internet connections, for the majority, get a dynamic IP address every time they connect, further more reason a filter will not stop P2P file sharing.

      Rudd Labour was warned about the deprecating nature such a project would have on internet speeds. How did they combat this? NBN ring a bell? Run a 100Mbp/sec pipe into every home and no one will notice a reduction in speed as the “filter” goes to work.

    • Chris says:

      11:40am | 16/12/09

      Reminds me of the movie “Equlibrium” I wonder if Stephen Conroy is a fan? I would make a bet he is.

    • Jack Smith says:

      11:45am | 16/12/09

      “If Australia adopts a mandatory internet filtering regime – a regime that puts responsibility for blocking at the access end of the spectrum – it will distance us from our Western liberal counterparts in the US, the UK and across the great bulk of the European Union.”
      This seems to be the great Australian national culture to ban anything the population or politician don’t like rather than to encourage and to educate the population. If you discard the difference in flags, many legislation in Australia is very similar to those in more autocratic societies, like China and N. Korea.

      Australian’s culture seems to prefer others to do their parenting role hence why no make the ISP to be the nanny.

      Next they will include any material deems anti-government into the list, just like China.

      Thankfully, even the great firewall of China is easily breached with free software and society in the world.

    • David says:

      11:47am | 16/12/09

      The thing the regulators do not get about the internet is that it is more like a conversation than a film. The government should not regulate my conversation with my neighbour, be it my physical neighbour or my neighbour on the internet communicating with me via their website. Me reading what my fellow man or woman has to say on the net is not the same as me sitting down in a cinema to watch a professional film. It is not possible or desirable to filter every conversation adults have. Nor is is it possible or desirable to filter every communication on the internet, via websites or otherwise.

    • wolf says:

      11:50am | 16/12/09

      Maybe a change of tactics is in order?

      Will support from the loony ‘think of the children’ brigade be as strong if anti censorship campaigners started flooding ACMA with complaints about right wing christian fundamentalist sites (hint: hate speech against homosexuals may fall into the ‘prohibited content’ bin).  We’ll see how great an idea they think it is when their drivel gets banned from the net.

    • C-One says:

      12:00pm | 16/12/09

      All the pro-filter people here simply don’t get it.  Of course we don’t want to look at child pornography and bestiality etc…  regardless of an internet filter.  THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CHILD PORN.  It is a veil!  It is censorship and that’s that.  The internet is the last domain of freedom of speech and is about to be taken away.  There has been NO GUARANTEE of exactly what will and what wont be filtered and what the punishment will be.

      Do you really think that child porn users simply log in to google and do a search?  The FBI Spends 15 years tracking these people down because of the elaborate networks and servers they use.  This filter isn’t going to stop the ACTUAL offenders doing anything.  All it does is restrict the free flow of information that the internet provides to the general public.

      Rudd is floating dangerously close to China.  We now have eugenics and one child policy supporters popping up in our country along with internet censorship.

      Do you think the war on iraq was about WMDs?  Do you think purchasing billions of dollars of pharmaceuticals was really about ‘protection from a pandemic’?  Do you really think creating a carbon tax is about ‘saving the environment’?  This is a GOVERNMENT AGENDA to restrict our rights to access to information with THE VEIL of protection from child pornography draped over it.

      Have you ever seen any of this material on the net and do you know anyone who has?  I certainly don’t.  And that is exactly the point.  There will be no positive effect on society in general, only negative.

      Wake up.

    • robbie swan says:

      12:01pm | 16/12/09

      Conroy states that only RC material will be mandatorily placed on the ‘black list’. He’s failed to inform everyone that most of the world’s adult sites (four million of them at last count) do not meet the Australian X rated guidelines. They all go RC. So how on earth can a mandatory filter take care of four million adult sites, let alone any number of other RC sites, and not slow the internet down? How is the Classification Board set up to classify four million sites if they all decide they want to access Australian adults? They couldn’t even deal with 10,000 applications. As some on this site have stated, the Greens candidate for Higgins, Clive Hamilton, was the man who first proposed this filtering scheme and when push comes to shove, Tony Abbott will do exactly what the Australian Christian Lobby wants them to do. For parties like the Australian Sex Party who, along with the LDP are about the only two parties who will oppose this filter at the next federal election, there is a real problem as to where our preferences will go.

    • Steve says:

      12:01pm | 16/12/09

      And to think that so many people were conned in to voting in this government because they were seen as being a bit more modern, tech savvy etc. Ah the irony. What will Kevin 11 put on his facebook page to woo the 18 year olds this time?

    • Mike says:

      12:08pm | 16/12/09

      Its amazing the number of people who still equate being an “adult” with having a sexually mature physical body. Sadly…  in reality most “adults” are actually just children locked inside adult bodies. The body is mature, but the inhabitant is an infant. And as such, infants should learn to shut up, because they do not know what is best for them.

      Maybe as a compromise solution, Conray can offer people “opt-out” boxes, so for many of today’s whiners, Conroy could offer them a “Paedophile opt-out” option, if they do not wish to have their paedophile content limited. By adding a few opt-out boxes like this, Conray could probably assuage the anger of some of these “adults” (ie: kids stuck inside adult bodies).

    • DG says:

      12:13pm | 16/12/09

      James (10:41am | 16/12/09)

      “I know this goes against the grain of the responses so far, but personally, I have no need of child pornography (or pornography of any description), or explicit descriptions of how to have safe sex, or how to inject properly, or how to conduct a terrorist attack. “

      I have no need for that stuff any more than I need access to provisions of building codes, information on tornadoes in the USA or probably 90% of the material on wikipedia. I have no interest in 99% of the stuff on the internet, but that does not justify banning access to that material. This is not about “need” but the right to access information.


      “the only ones who will be affected by it are the ones doing the wrong thing to begin with”.

      Some of these things are a rather substantial change to our current entitlements. i.e there is material that is not illegal that will be blocked by this filter, further there is no way of knowing what is being blocked. So the people affected are not only those that are doing the wrong thing, but will include people who are looking for material that is legal, and that will remain legal (but will be blocked by the filter.

      For example: I don’t need information on euthanasia - but I respect the rights of others to look up that information after all suicide is not illegal insofar as I am aware. Assisted suicide on the other hand (knowing how to carry out euthanasia is not a crime, so why should the acquisition of that knowledge be a crime?)..... when a person is researching how to kill themselves I think that they SHOULD have access to material that advises how to do it as painlessly as possible. Further, I have no problem with people finding pornography on the internet, finding information on safe sex, the safe use of drugs (including the complications associated with various techniques used to ‘take’ the drugs) or various other behaviours.

      I don’t buy the “for the kids” argument. In our day to day lives adults have access to all manner of things that children are not entitled to access alcohol, cigarettes, pornography, control of motor vehicles etc etc. In each case it is the responsibility of the provider to ensure that the recipient is entitled to access the material. So to should be the case with the internet - any person who places a thing on the internet should be responsible for making sure that only people with a right to access the material may actually do so.

      Now the internet is only ever provided to a person pursuant to a contract. Given that the contract is between adults - the only material that should be prohibited is material that an adult is not entitled to access (I have an issue with the banning of gambling sites given that gambling is legal).

      If a person wishes to further restrict access (for their children) this can be done by means of PARENTING. A novel idea. Supervision or some other means of denying access (in the same way that a parent is responsible for keeping their kid away from the liquor cabinet, so to should a parent keep a child away from inappropriate material on the internet.

      ———————————

      Jason (10:42am | 16/12/09)

      I agree (re: Tony Abbott) - but I still couldn’t bring myself to vote for the guy. Not sure how to manage that one.

    • J says:

      12:21pm | 16/12/09

      To James at 10:41am:

      Sure you might not need all that, but the ACMA blacklist is secret and they can put anything in it. Many other things can become ‘undesirable’ once the framework is in place with no chance of appeal or review. You may think Conroy is an all loving saint and will do no wrong (along with Rudd for that matter) but legislation doesn’t expire after a term.

      If everyone doing the things you described are doing it illegally in the first place why do they need another piece of dangerous legislation which won’t work anyway to remove the ability to view said websites?

    • Steve says:

      12:24pm | 16/12/09

      This (and much more, namely the “clean feed” idea) was part of what they took to the last election. If it is a “vote changer” now, why was it not a vote stopper back then?

      For me it was a vote winner, and while this is much less than what they promised, it is all that they can deliver. Indeed, they have an obligation to do so, lest this be counted as another broken election promise.

    • Arcanum says:

      12:27pm | 16/12/09

      Similar systems around the world (opt in) have blocked Wiki, socialism sites (it had Cialis, URL word search), the scouts, random religious groups - including wicca, Breast Cancer awareness sites, the list goes on.

      If I ran a business, I could get someone to hack a site, and get my competition blacklisted (re: QLD Dentist from the leaked blacklist) and therefore off the internet for months or years.  Because the OFLC would need hundreds of people to process BILLIONS of URLs.

      What a waste of money, give it to the Federal Police to help them catch these people, rather than waste it on a system that can not work.

    • BJS says:

      12:33pm | 16/12/09

      Funny thing s filter - its designed to stop “bad” web sites from being viewed, but the last time I was surfing the net, I didnt find the bad websites, they must of been hidden. Kind of like walking down the street and trying to find a drug dealers house or a terrorists house. Its not as if it is advertised with a big sign on the front yard saying “Drugs, Guns and Bad Guys here”, thus the same applies to the internet.

      The outcome will be you block some basic ‘bad’ sites and possibly some legit, but the real problem with the internet will continue to stream bad content via IRC, P2P, VPN, Proxy, Encrypted traffic, Email, etc etc.

      Our government is the worse than a terrorist by using an extreme view and applying it. They (the AUS Gov) would have more success cutting the cables they stream internet content into the country and shutting down all the satelites as this would be the only way to achieve a 100% successful filter, but alas, you can then see the downside living in darkness from the rest of the world, and thus, this is the way we are travelling.

      Australia the lucky country ? not any more…...

    • Jather says:

      12:38pm | 16/12/09

      Um, does anyone have Joe Blow’s email address?  You know, the chap from South Dakota?  I’m, er, doing a research paper.

    • Marc says:

      12:40pm | 16/12/09

      DO.NOT.WANT

      Regardless of the intentions, the power to regulate the internet is something the government should never be allowed to have AT ALL.

    • Nevyn says:

      12:43pm | 16/12/09

      I get the feeling this whole internet filtering came about because Stephen Conroy (or Con-Everyone) is too useless as a parent to watch his own children and their online activities. I’m not interested in looking at lots of stuff online, but I don’t wish to be treated like a simpleton by someone in Canberra and whatever rights I have taken away. He and his government have promised to give all Australians bigger and faster internet access, then make it against the law to use it. Why bother.

    • DrunkMunki says:

      12:43pm | 16/12/09

      This is why i joined the Australian Pirate Party (http://www.pirateparty.org.au) as we need a say as the government these days doesn’t seem to listen to anyone, and do what they want. they’re starting to get out of control, spending enormous amounts of money hardy investigating (internet filter, desalination plant…) we need more younger politicians, but they realised the politicians are greedy, self-centred unrealistic people who only do what they majority of the cabinet thinks.

      we really just need to remove anyone over the age of 40 in politics, as people and society change, but they get stuck in their ways.
      New blood brings new ideas, new perspective of things.

    • Enslavement says:

      12:43pm | 16/12/09

      Once these so called righteous pollies have the right to filter the internet, we have then lost all right to free speech. What next, anti Labor comments to be filtered as well? Comrades KRudd and Conway and the other members of the ALP will have succeeded into turning us into the countries that they so despise in public (the hardline Muslim and Communist regimes), with no freedom to do anything, except obey their will. I still cannot remember voting on anything to do with censorship at any election, so why is it constantly forced done my throat by these do Gooding religious freaks.

    • XXX says:

      12:43pm | 16/12/09

      It’s called a democracy isn’t it??

    • Rick says:

      12:49pm | 16/12/09

      JaZZ @ 1109Hrs.

      I dont think you truly understand the potential consequence of this filter,
      Yes it may prevent your kids from accessing “sick” material but I actually seriously doubt it , But it also hands alot of power to the government as to what we access via interent., it could be used to block us from any site not just offensive ones ,it could be used to block us from polictical and religious sites just because the government doesnt believe in there ideals, and dont think this cant happen here CHINA has this sort of thing in place.  The current government is taking this country down a track I dont like. I for one am putting together a letter I am sick of the vocal minority dictating to the rest of us , I am not part of generation Y but I am standing next to them on this issue after all they will be the most effected by this,

    • Ben says:

      12:51pm | 16/12/09

      Get the fact right,. There is NO mandatory filtering in germany   !!

    • Al says:

      01:00pm | 16/12/09

      To all those stating that as it is only Child Porn etc. they have no objection to it.
      I would probably agree except for the FACT that it isn’t JUST those listed. It will also include sites that are deemed “Other offensive material”.
      Considering there are no guidelines around what other offensive material is, it means that ANY future government could place onto the Blacklist (with no consultation etc.) ANYTHING that they deem ‘offensive’.
      It is NOT about the filter, it is about the process behind it (‘Secret Blacklist’) and the MASSIVE abuse that it is open to. Also as politicians are to be the ones in control of what is being banned, does ANYONE realy believe that it WON’T be used to try and reduce opposition to any of their policies etc. There goes the online Public debate about political issues.
      Once a government is given power it is only a matter of time untill they use that power, whether that was the ‘intention’ of the legislation or not.

    • AussieBloke says:

      01:02pm | 16/12/09

      Whilst I have no desire or need to see the stuff being ‘filtered’, I strongly disagree with the government dictating my choices.

      This is a free country and must remain same.

      I don’t necessarily respect the activities or motivations of people who feel the need to view whatever is going to be filtered, any more than I respect or understand why people come to Australia and dash about in hijabs, but I - like many members of my 6th generation Australian family - believe in this place enough that we will put on a uniform and fight for their right to if needed.

      This is not a society that needs this type of regulation, and if it does, the internet is not the problem.

    • the lone gunman says:

      01:02pm | 16/12/09

      What emotive drivel. Use proper reasons and arguments if you wish to make a rational point, otherwise please stop insulting your readers. Society has a right recognised under the Universal Declaration of Human Rights to protect itself from these abhorrent materials which the filter is designed to restrict. We were told by experts that filtering would not work before the trials even started. The trials shows it can work. Australians watching to much US TV, with all the feigned outrage about censorship and free speech.

    • Ben says:

      01:05pm | 16/12/09

      Steve 11:03am | 16/12/09
      wrote”

      “All that this filtering would do is to prevent unintentional access to illegal material.”

      You need to inform yourself becaue what you wrote is just uninformed nonsens
      e. 
      The proposed filter is the ACMA secret blacklist of RC material which is NOT just illegal stuff.  It contains the “Peacuful pill handbook” and other important stuff that should NOT ever be filtered.
      Only about 1/3rd of this list was found to contain potential child porn material.
      See for yourself on Wikileaks

    • Feej says:

      01:06pm | 16/12/09

      I’m loving the idiots that label people that disagree with the proposed legislation as “Pedophiles” and “Children locked in a adults body”. I’m sure that will be the governments line too.

      What happens when the gov decide that they don’t want you to see anything that doesn’t support climate change legislation etc?

      It’s a very slippery slope we’re on….

    • Ben says:

      01:10pm | 16/12/09

      Conroy can go and join Atkinson in a dark place and try shafting each other with Jesus as a referee. I hate being treated like an imbecile by pious morons who are completely detached from the real world.
      Comments like Jazz and Steve are just ignorant, the whole “if you’re against it you hate children and want them to be raped” argument has no basis and doesn’t stand up to anyone who hasn’t been brainwashed by the god-botherers in the government.

    • Equal Citizen says:

      01:19pm | 16/12/09

      Conroy is a real ass. I hate to fight, usually I would advocate us all just doing our best to get along and leaving each other alone, but I have tastes which are completely legal in Australia which will seemingly fall under this broad ‘refused classification’ criteria. In my own home I am being told I am to be banned from this, by those who are paid by a taxed portion of my own earnings no less. How important these things are to me is being underestimated, and I will defend my place as an equal citizen from these frustrating inconsiderates who mistakenly see themselves as my superiors. The scheme has already been shown as unlikely to be of any real benefit anyway. These fools just love spending money on black holes, and this one has some nasty personal side effects.

    • Jamie says:

      01:19pm | 16/12/09

      Little by little this government is slowly taking away personal freedom and eroding individual responsibility. Rudd authoritarian streak is really coming to the fore now. And seriously, censorship such as this will no doubt lead to more censorship in the future. who knows, maybe we will see a day when the government in power simply censors all criticism. Surely not?

    • C-One says:

      01:20pm | 16/12/09

      It will be most intersting to see if alternative news sites and networks are part of this filter such as InfoWars and The Telegraph.

    • Terry Wright says:

      02:18pm | 16/12/09

      DG (12:13pm | 16/12/09) - Excellent comment.

      What will happen to sites that promote our national drug policy - Harm Minimisation? For example, I am lead to believe that detailed instructions on how to inject drugs safely, will be blacklisted. The problem is that this information is an important part of Harm Minimisation. It is currently available from needle exchanges, the Kings Cross Medically Supervised Injecting Centre (MSIC), government medical clinics, pharmacies etc.

      I also read that information on how to grow drugs like cannabis will be blacklisted too. What will happen when medical marijuana becomes legal and patients will be allowed to grow a few plants for medicinal reasons?

      There are some forums in Australia that deal solely with drug issues where users warn others about dodgy ecstasy pills being sold on the streets. Many safety related questions are asked including what to expect from a certain drug someone might be about to take. Will they be blacklisted?

      Using this analogy, the government could blacklist any site it wanted to by associating it with some issue they deem inappropriate for the average Australian. Like some readers have suggested, the government could blacklist websites that oppose pending legislation or new policies. Another scary scenario is that it might only take one inappropriate comment from a reader to send off the alarm bells resulting in a blacklisted site that may take months to be removed. This opens up the possibility of corporate sabotage and deliberate attempts to bring down a website.

      The way I see it is that if someone is stupid enough to put up a child pornography site or any other illegal content then it will be found and the owners charged. If they don’t want to be found or want to secretly share something, the proposed filter will do nothing whatsoever to prevent it. In other words, what’s the point? Sounds very much like another agenda considering how much public hate there is for the proposal which will surely result in a huge loss of votes.

    • the ugly truth says:

      02:41pm | 16/12/09

      There will be an escalating divorce rate if this censorship goes through.

      The hoards of middle-aged perves, who are barely coping with their wives hitting 30 - they get by now as they have the fantasy porn outlet : pictures and videos of subservient teens to masturbate over (subservient meaning drugged out to the eyeballs, usually).

      With the censorship, the fantasy sex life will be quelled so the guys will start looking to real life to get off. It is sad, as there are already a lot of 30-something women abandoned for younger versions as it is, in our society.

    • Tom says:

      03:34pm | 16/12/09

      I have 2 main issues:
      Perhaps Libertarians (like me) will eventually have to compromise and say OK, lets censor material that is illegal eg child abuse (ignoring the fact that the channels used to facilitate this would not be filtered under the scheme). However that is not all the proposed scheme covers. Under the scheme ISP’s would be offered ‘grants’ if they filtered content the government considered ‘objectionable’ but not actually illegal. Thus they would basically be paying your ISP to prevent you accessing material that was not illegal - which I think is ridiculous.

      Secondly, Conroy claims that the filter worked with “100% accuracy” and with “negligible impact on speed.” If you read the report however, the filter that was 100% Accurate slowed speeds by 30-40% and the filter that did not slow speeds did not effectively block content. What a wonderful exercise in spin.

      Putting aside libertarian arguments about censorship, the proposed filter only hurtson legitimate users.

    • IT Tech says:

      03:57pm | 16/12/09

      Personally I couldn’t care less if porn sites that focus on bestiality, incest or the like are banned. There is no way this filter will do anything to reduce child pornography ... I wish it would but the reality is it wont. Regardless of your view on pornography, the reality is the vast majority who do access porn online do so in the privacy of their own home and no one is the wiser or harmed because of it. Regardless of what Mr Conroy claims, another reality is there isn’t a filter anywhere that can’t be bypassed so spending millions on something that wont work, will slow down internet connections and is opposed by most if not all Internet Service Providers is a moronic waste of time, resources and money. Money that would be far better spent giving to law enforcement agencies to track down pedophiles and those who really present a threat to our society, including those who preach and incite racial and religious intolerance and violence to those who don’t share their warped view of the world. I for one am very concerned about any government regardless of their political persuasion instituting a law that will allow them an unhindered capability to censor without public and independent oversight and control. For Mr Rudd and Mr Conroy to even consider such an act is in itself a great concern because we now have to question what drives a politician to want to introduce such a widespread control on the information media that is the internet without being willing to be totally transparent, accountable and honest ...three qualities that are clearly completely opposed to the ideals of Rudd and Conroy.

    • Dan says:

      03:04am | 17/12/09

      “It’s a category that doesn’t just deal with abhorrent material like child pornography, bestiality and active incitement to violence.” Here is my big problem with this whole filtering nonsnece, and that’s with bestiality. It’s a sexual devience, but that does not mean the Government has the right to ban it. What they are doing, therefore, is casting a moral judgement (the cases against insest and child porn is not really about morality) and I do not want the government censorring the internet because they have a moral problem with something. I mean, what’s next, ban S&M? Conroy might find that immoral, but that does not mean it should be banned! The same for bestiality. It’s outrageous and truly disgusting!

    • P says:

      07:34am | 17/12/09

      I’m sorry, but the filter is going in. It’s part of our larger agenda. Why do you think that we don’t provide any information to you? We can’t leave it to the sheep to make decisions.You’ll know what we want from you when we pull you into the shed. Until then, bleat away. You voted for us, so deal with it. You wanted socialism, well here it is. If you studied a bit more history, you might actually understand who socialism actually benefits.

    • TE says:

      10:22am | 17/12/09

      The issues are that 1) it won’t work unless you want it to (it’s easy to get around), 2) It will be capable of being misused and 3) it will block legitimate sites. Softwarte currently in existence manages to block legitimate sites and I’m sure this will too. Try accessing information about your home town if a filter is in place and you’re a Yorkeshireman from Scunthorpe. (I came across this in my days as an IT Manager - the filtering also didn’t stop one of our users downloading bucketloads of child porn. He was caught by being stupid, not by the filters in place). As people have said - most of the nasties are not on publicly accessible websites - they are on peer to peer sites known to those that seek them out. Filtering won’t stop most of these. Setting up VPNs via overseas providers gets around it - using software like Tor will also get around it. This whole business is a beatup by a bunch of paranoid technically incompetent idiots who are so influenced by the religious right that they have lost sight of what it means to live in a liberal democratic society. If they want a theocracy then they should move to the Middle East . Interestingly enough, my partner is a long time counsellor in the area of sexual assault - she and her colleagues have serious concerns about accessibility to information they will need in their work (as well as the overall implications of censorship) they are firmly opposed to this filtering.

    • ML says:

      11:23am | 17/12/09

      Firstly I think that there has been a LOT of misinformation and simple lack of knowledge of basic facts here, disregarding which side of the fence you sit on in this matter - online content regulation ALREADY EXISTS and has done so for almost a decade - the Broadcasting Services Act.

      For those those who think that this is about the introduction of online regulation, that horse bolted a long time ago, and there was public debate on it, so I don’t know where you all were when that was happening. THAT was the time for the strongest protest, not now.

      What is happening now is simply structural - the manner in which what has already been happening, will be dealt with/ implemented.

      I am astonished at how many so-called experts, commentators, and just the general public, are completely unaware of the situation as it currently stands, but are mouthing off in protest at things which ARE ALREADY HAPPENING, and not focusing on what is important if you wish to fight this.

      A simple glance at the ACMA website would give any journalist/ commentator/ interested party the details about the status quo.

      http://bit.ly/7s6y4U

    • Catharine Lumby says:

      01:18pm | 17/12/09

      @ML: Read the report. It’s very detailed and we do a lot more than glance at the ACMA website.. We talk at length about the existing regulatory scheme for online content. As I’m sure you know, however, the new scheme is very different to the existing schemes laid out in Schedule 5 and & of the BSA. In simple terms: it greatly increases the pool of content caught, it takes the requirement to filter and the onus up to the access level and it applies a mandatory filter to the whole of the internet ie both content hosted here and overseas. Worse it does so using a classification system designed for films ( a medium) not the internet ( a new media environment where a whole range of assumptions on which our - admittedly flawed, inconsistent and piecemeal - media content regulation system was built.

    • S says:

      02:05pm | 17/12/09

      Nothing like a fine glass of vine or a good bottles of red amounts friends!!!!
      NOW WE’RE TALKING!!!!!!

    • ML says:

      05:35pm | 17/12/09

      Thanks for your reply - I am not disagreeing about the issue of filtering nor that the change in the onus is a critical one, I am just frustrated by a lot of the commentary around this issue, including by people being labelled as “industry experts”. One such person who has had 2 articles (at least) appear in the past few days can’t even get television and the internet differentiated, stating boldly that RC material can be viewed “late at night on tv”. You may think this minor, but it also makes me wonder how much else such folks are getting wrong, and also the fact that they will be read and their opinions digested and regurgitated by interested parties who are going to write to Conroy, Rudd or whoever.

      Yes it increases the potential size of the pool of material caught, and yes I have issues with a filter, but as you briefly allude to, I think that there are broader issues which are not being highlighted -

      a) that online content is dealt with under the Film Guidelines (which is a flaw in and of itself);
      b) that these Guidelines need to be fixed up anyway. The last round of changes made to the Guidelines, which must be seven or eight years ago (?), actually complicated things;
      c) openess and accountability within ACMA about how it makes decisions
      d) the operation and makeup of the Classification Board

      Most of what I have heard buzzing around online by general punters has seemed to indicate a complete ignorance of the existing scheme and framework.

      The classification system as it stands is problematic and the online regulation situation is a dog’s breakfast. This current issue is of import both in terms of basic principles and in terms of more mundane things, but so too is the broader regulatory environment in which it exists.

      Oh and on the issue of X material - that harks back to a SCAG of 1983 when the States decided they didn’t want a bar of the material, as you know, but most people don’t seem to know the history of the States/ Territories regarding this, and that the only reason that it is available by mail order in the States is because the Constitution bars restraint of trade between the States and Territories.

      On the matter of actual or potentially X material online - this is one of the biggest problems in terms of online content, and has been for the entirety of the Scheme’s existence. Because online content is classified under the Film Guidelines, and X content is barred from either sale/ hire *or* public exhibition in the States, then all X content is, as you know, having to be RCd. There are no physical State/ Territorial boundaries, after all.

      If people want to address this basic issue in addition to the Conroy measures, then they need to lobby for a complete re-examination of online content regulation, as regardless of whether there are mandatory filters or not (and whether it’s just Au or all material regardless of hosting country), then for as long as there *is* an online regulatory system where online content is examined by the Film Guidelines, then X material will not get through.

      Just a quick final segue - I think that regardless of whether the status quo is maintained or the Conroy proposal gets through, AIDS and safe sex sites will be fine on the grounds that if they have not been banned already, and the Guidelines are not changing (which they aren’t - though the examination of an R for computer games is another topic altogether), then it is unlikely, as in the end, the decisions about these sites are based on the Film Classification Guidelines.

    • Jacqui says:

      06:11pm | 17/12/09

      @Catharine 13:18, you are right about the detail of the report, etc, but I think some of us are missing the key issue of why Conroy’s Catastrophe is different to all existing censorship, and is such a train wreck.

      Under the guise of think-of-the-children, the government is giving itself the power to secretly censor all the information that we are allowed to see on the Net.  It may not be the present govt, but it is a certainty that some future govt will use this power to ban politically opposing views, and there is nothing we can do about it because it is all secret.

    • Catharine Lumby says:

      09:34pm | 18/12/09

      @ML; Sorry for not replying earlier to your post - just got back to this. All the issues you raise - and they are extremely good ones - are ones we contend with in the report. In the new year I plan to work with other researchers on scoping out a report and how we can reform the jerry built media content regulation system we have in a way that takes account of the online and mobile media environment equations. Clearly it’s not a project that one group of researchers can prosecute in a ‘good, that’s done then’ way. But I am hopeful that we can make a contribution to thinking about the basic legal, ethical and social priniciples that need to underpin a fresh look at the already terribly inadequate system we have and to raise some pragmatic issues going forward. In doing this research we will be actively seeking comment from people across industry and community sectors because, in my experience, these are the people who can inform research about what might be in practical ways. So please stay tuned and if you - or anyone else reading this - are interested I’m the director of the Journalism and Media Research Centre at UNSW. I’m easy to find on the net and I’m always very interested in being educated about what I don’t know or need to know.

    • Catharine Lumby says:

      09:48pm | 18/12/09

      @Jacqui: I completely agree with you about the way in which ‘think of the children’ mantra is used by some to avoid talking in any detail about the real impact of decisions in public policy terms. I have two children myself - not that I think that qualifies me to speak on behalf of children BTW - but if I want anything for their future it has to include a robust democracy and a society in which there is more, not less, opportunity for so-called average people to contribute to debate and to be involved in creating ideas and distributing information. (As things stand all my kids seem to do is distribute spaghetti sauce on my lounge…but hey, there might be smarter kids out there we can use as ideal examples of future citizens).

      Just also wanted to say thanks to everyone who has contributed to this thread so far - reading your comments is a reality test in the difference between the kind of involvement a format like the Punch attracts if we compare it to trad media (eg SMH where I used to work).  I know that some of you probably think that even a format like this is too old school - but it’s a lot more energising for people like me who occasionally write things and want to know what people who read them are actually thinking. So thanks again.

    • Earth says:

      01:40pm | 25/12/09

      Australia did not handle the AIDS crises well at all. Once example was a young girl where no parent would allow the child in the same classroom as theirs. In the end, the family moved to New Zealand where they were treated well.

    • TryTheTruth says:

      05:03am | 11/02/10

      I lived in the USA during the Reagan years of the HIV crisis.  Australia did far better than the USA did.  Yes there was a lot of ignorance and fear.  Humans can be stupid.  But at least the leader of your country didn’t believe that God was out to smite all those (ahem) ‘nasty gay people’...and was not so delusional that he believed he really HAD been a WWII pilot (he could not tell reality from his film career).
      t As for this mess.  The last election, he one where Labor got in despite their promise to give the people the CHOICE of a clean internet feed…people voted to survive at work.  That wat what the vote came down to - average people affording life.  Howard was trying to destroy 100 years of labor progress and put into its place a worse system than the USA has (I have lived there).  People these days tend to forget that every right we have at work today was carved out the hard way by unionists who put their bodies on the line.  Many paid in blood. They are the ones who stood up for the native peoples here first. 

      Howard tried to throw all of that away.  People got mad at him for not listening.  That is why Rudd is in power. However the clean feed was still just an option for people during the election.  Nobody said anything about it being mandatory.
       
      Now our lack of democracy is the biggest story on twitter, is all over the world, and we are once again a joke because of how bad our leaders are at being decent people who know how to keep their noses out of other peoples bed-rooms.

 

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