Carl Williams was a human being. But he was a human being in the physiological sense of the word. He breathed oxygen, had two arms and two legs, he had all the defining physical characteristics which qualified him for inclusion in the homo sapiens species.

The last photo of Williams before he was sent down for his crimes.

But he was shorn of the emotional characteristics which define humanity – empathy, compassion and kindness, remorse, guilt and shame. He murdered three people - one of them a father in front of his children at a school football game – and sold drugs on such a massive scale that one can only speculate as to how many people were poisoned or even killed by using his products.

It’s been said this week by Victorian Police Commissioner Simon Overland and others that any death is a tragedy. But some deaths are more tragic than others, and like most people I struggle to feel any sense of sorrow at Williams’ death.

My first reaction was a callous and instinctive journalist’s reaction – what a story. And aside from feeling a kind of detached sadness for his children - even though he had conspired to deprive three other children of their own father - the fact that Williams met his end the way he did seemed both inevitable and unsurprising.

If one word can summarise the feeling at his passing, it is ambivalence. But while it’s perfectly understandable that we are not inclined to commiserate over William’s death, it’s sickening that so many of us have chosen to celebrate it. Rather than remaining ambivalent, people have opted instead for glee.

This overwhelmingly jubilant reaction to his death has been like a medieval ritual where a witch or a thief is killed and then trussed up and pelted in the town square. Talking at the start about Williams’ own lack of humanity, many of those who have inserted themselves in the public debate have damaged their own humanity by succumbing to this alarming form of bloodlust.

Those people should stop and reflect on the manner of Williams’ death and ask whether anyone ever deserves to go out the way he did. Two of the best Australian films, Ghosts of the Civil Dead, based on the Jika Jika lockdown where a prison guard was stabbed to death, and the Mark Read biopic Chopper, brutally document prison violence. One of the most bracing scenes in any film is surely the moment where Chopper turns on a fellow inmate in the exercise yard and slides a Phillips head screwdriver into the side of his neck. As the prisoner collapses Chopper stands back and hides the screwdriver, and says to one of the guards while laughing: “Look sir, I think Keithy’s done himself a mischief.” It is almost unwatchable, and from what we know, not a world away from the lethal jumping Williams’ faced in his final moments on Monday.

How anyone can get off on this is beyond me. But a lot of people are. You get the sense reading much of the online commentary, almost all of it anonymous, that the one regret some people have is that they didn’t get to kill Carl Williams themselves.

Some readers of websites such as the heraldsun.com.au have joked that Williams’ bashing with the metal stem from an exercise bike would help end the cycle of violence in Melbourne, boom boom.
Others just went straight into Old Testament mode.

“Bye bye Carl, now you’re Satan’s bitch” wrote Ginni of Melbourne. “Throw the fat bastard in an unmarked hole and bury him forever,” said Adam of Ringwood. Rohan of Dogville wrote: “Ashes to ashes, scum to scum”. Sleeping Easier wrote: “The killer deserves nothing less than a reduction in sentence and the keys to the city for saving tax payers the burden of feeding this filth for 35 years. Well done.” Showing a rare interest in the policy ramifications of Williams’ death, Matthew of Melbourne said: “Why waste taxpayers money for a royal commission. What do you expect, you’re in a room full of murderers, killers and what not.”

Many were overjoyed at the apparent cash bonanza to taxpayers brought by Williams’ death, with the windfall savings of a couple of hundred bucks a day from no longer having to house him at Barwon prison.

“What great news,” wrote Jesse of Bendigo, “…we can only hope they’re all down in hell shooting each other up again, at least there’s no kids down there, lowlife scum all of them are they got what they deserve, why waste taxpayers money keeping scum alive.”

Some readers even regarded Williams’ death as more a problem of TV scheduling, complaining that Nine had cancelled Top Gear to show a documentary about the gangster.

It’s demeaning that people will even take the trouble to write down this sort of rubbish.

As a social trend, it feels like the inverse of the modern-day phenomena of public displays of mourning over the death of a celebrity or star. It’s been described as stadium grief, where people try to outdo each other in their hysterical reaction to the death of someone they have never met.

The journalist and British Labour politician Roy Hattersley was one of the first writers to chronicle this trend in an excellent series of newspaper columns after Princess Diana’s death. Writing in the Guardian in 1998, Hattersley examined the role of Diana’s brother Earl Spencer in turning her burial place at the Althorp mausoleum into a “funereal theme park”. Hattersely described the site as less a testament to Spencer’s dead sister than “a commemoration of the defining vulgarities of the 20th century’s closing years.” More broadly he questioned the motives of those who would choose to mourn there.

“It has always seemed to me that ostentatious grief and conspicuous mourning is less a tribute to the dear departed than a cry for recognition from the bereaved,” he wrote.

Just as Diana’s demise invited an impromptu global contest to see who could cry the longest, Williams’ death has spawned the most repellent displays of one upmanship to see who can be the hardest, the most macho, the most unwavering in their support for violence and vigilantism.

There might be a special place in hell for Carl Williams but there is a long wait in purgatory for those who this week have found themselves cheering a murder.

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    • Eric says:

      06:17am | 22/04/10

      Who are you calling “we”, Penbo? Speak for yourself.

      As far as callousness goes, you did in fact speak for yourself, and it wasn’t pretty.

      “If they want to suggest that 33.3 per cent of domestic violence victims are called Nige and Bazza and are hiding in the broom cupboard begging for mercy as the little lady gives them the rounds of the kitchen, sensible people will see it for the crock that it is.”

      http://www.thepunch.com.au/articles/even-white-ribbon-day-is-a-sinister-feminist-plot/

      Nice one, Penbo. You’ve actually mocked the victims of domestic violence with a sneering little jokey remark. Where do you get the effrontery to lecture *other* people about *their* online comments?

    • Zeta says:

      09:52am | 22/04/10

      That was a funny article. Because if you read it carefully he says that 33.3 per cent of domestic violence victims are called Nige and Bazza. Can you imagine that? AVO day at the local court? Nige and Bazza all day long? It’s comedy genius dude you missed it.

    • MarK says:

      09:56am | 22/04/10

      I thought the “we” he was referring to was the holier than though bottom feeding know it all leaches, commonly known as journalists. Dont get me wrong, much like lawyers there must be some good journalists out thaere doing there part to better society

    • Iconoclast says:

      02:10pm | 22/04/10

      The other alarming trend, for me, is the way that journalists hide behind comments posted on internet forums. Rather than risk being bought to task for anything they might say, they print the most outrageous things that others say and stand back and wait for the backlash, all the while maintaining that they are only reporting the news. What a sweet life it must be.

    • BTS says:

      06:24am | 22/04/10

      Does condemning others to purgatory also hold the same ‘guilt ridden’ destiny to the same fate?

      Will there be a follow up blog, condemning those who condemn others?

    • BTS says:

      06:55am | 22/04/10

      Williams didn’t murder three people, he murdered many more.  He only admitted to killing three people.  Through his drug trade he no doubt killed many more.  Clearly, one of Austrlia’s most prolific killers.

      Why do you downplay his criminal activity?

    • Seano says:

      09:28am | 22/04/10

      “Why do you downplay his criminal activity?”

      I don’t think he did.

    • Zeta says:

      09:55am | 22/04/10

      Hey, if those guys we all thought killed Diane Brimble can get off, I imagine that means Carl William’s drug trade doesn’t flow back to him either.

      And besides, for every person who dies from a drug overdose, many more have really great times and end up sleeping with models. This evens out your karmic debt as a drug dealer.

    • BTS says:

      09:59am | 22/04/10

      Model whats though Zeta?

      Model Airplanes?

    • Red says:

      07:12am | 22/04/10

      I agree. As a civilised society we should be apalled that we rejoice when we can’t stop the baddies from administering justice. We are already sailing very close to the wind with the rising number of “rage” incidents where people take justice into their own hands. An equivalent worry about the death is the hopeless system where people are “protected” to provide witness to prosecution cases. Forget the small issues like how can an exercise bike be pulled apart and allegedly used as a weapon and the time that elapsed between the incident and its discovery.

    • Paul2 says:

      08:35am | 23/04/10

      Not to mention John Brumby’s tacit endorsement of the whole thing.

    • WKH says:

      07:43am | 22/04/10

      He looks like the sort of knock about bloke you would enjoy having a beer with down the pub. Just goes to show you can never judge a book by its cover, take Susan Boyle as another fine example. The fact that he was so brutally murder in a maximum security prison demands a royal inquiry or the like. Sounds very much to me that there were a lot of hands holding on to that steel bar and we deserve to know whom they are. This guys hideous crimes are no excuse to turn blind eye. Doing so makes us just as bad.

    • Mick says:

      12:04pm | 22/04/10

      I agree WKH, some of the comments sound like blood lust.

    • Sam de Brito says:

      07:52am | 22/04/10

      Nail. Head. Well said.

    • Seano says:

      08:05am | 22/04/10

      Fantastic article, well said.

    • Joan says:

      08:06am | 22/04/10

      Carl`s innocent babyface, a face that belied the true nature, unmarked by the type of life he has lived, a man who looked like he slept like a baby after a most gruesome day of work and no conscience to trouble him,probably felt it was a `natural` end to his life or any life.

    • Pete Kelly says:

      08:26am | 22/04/10

      Yeah but let’s not forget Aussies mostly wanted to let David Hicks cop George Bush’s kangaroo court, without getting a day in court. (While the bAustralian Wheat Board got caught redhanded bribing terrorists with millions of dollars) There is an element of redneck Australia that still advocates inconsistent hillbilly justice. The catholics are another group that seem to get some get-out-of-jail-free cards.

    • Matt Dee says:

      08:37am | 22/04/10

      Producers of Underbelly will find a way of squeezing another series out of this episode.

    • giselle says:

      08:38am | 22/04/10

      We also regret that we didn’t get to kill Jason Moran. He murdered someone as well, right?

    • SM says:

      08:52am | 22/04/10

      I’m glad he’s dead, but someone who’s already doing life must still be able to lose something if they committ additional serious crimes whilst incarcerated.  No good just giving them another life sentence. Give the guy who killed him the death penalty, and all of a sudden we have a win-win.  2 less guys to have to support for the next 50 years.

    • Steve says:

      09:17am | 22/04/10

      Q.E.D., SM, Q.E.D.

    • J says:

      10:02am | 22/04/10

      I think locking them up in prison is punishment enough.  I find the whole idea of legal execution for the purposes of ‘punishment’ abhorrent.

      ‘You killed someone, so we’re going to kill you.’

      It’s sickening.

      Plus it’s not a deterrent.  There are 690 people on death row in California alone as of last year.  Psychopaths don’t understand consequences.

      Not to mention, what happens if you get it wrong?

    • DougB says:

      01:18pm | 22/04/10

      @ J,
      Spot on J.  The consequences of getting the death penalty wrong are terrible.  I think it would be far better, if we built our prisons in extremely remote locations, the prisoners should be isolated from everyone so they are in permanent solitary, as they have shown they are not fit to mix with society.  They should have to grow their vegetables, and not have internet or tv etc so they can reflect on their crimes.

      That would start to deter them, rather than some of these hotels they are being incarcerated in now.

    • J says:

      03:34pm | 22/04/10

      DougB:

      Something like that setup would be appropriate for paedophiles as well - rather than risk letting them back amongst normal society where they can fall victim to vigilantism, house them somewhere remote. No internet.  All phone calls recorded.  All mail checked going in and coming out.  Yes, it’s a little unfair - but they sealed the fate when they committed their atrocities.

      Whether it’s a deterrent or not, I don’t know… but the thought of executing just one innocent person is reason enough why the death penalty should be abolished, and not re-introduced at all here.  A life sentence can be overturned.  A state-sanctioned killing can’t.

    • Dr Gaye Barr says:

      09:38am | 22/04/10

      David,

      I agree and well said. It is difficult to allocate victim status to Carl Williams.

      The public response is in a way more depressing than the whole, horrible series of events because it indicates the growth of a desensitised, unthinking, uncompassionate, witch-burning, redneck mentality in Australia that is culturally despicable and dangerous.

      A lot of the people who have written these comments would have children which is a frightening concept.  I would not want to pass that mode of thought on to my son.

    • Fonzworth Bentley says:

      09:39am | 22/04/10

      Carl Williams - self destructive psychopath.

      Those who harbour hate comments - self destructive.

    • Zeta says:

      09:50am | 22/04/10

      There is this awesome bit in the Bible, where Edward Norton and Brad Pitt are fighting in a car park, and Edward Norton punches Brad Pitt in the ear and he’s all like ‘ow man, my ear, who punches someone in the ear’ but then Jesus is all like ‘no bro, if you live by the sword, you die by the sword’ and so he picks up Brad Pitt’s ear and puts it back on his face.

      Now, I might be confusing Peter’s attack on the Legionaire in Gethsemene with Chuck Pahlunik’s Fight Club, but that living by the sword thing rings true in Carl William’s case.

      If you let violence define yourself, then it will be violence that suffuses your very existance. So it was with Carl Williams, whose violent acts were the yard stick by which he measured his success, his very manhood - now a violent act has sent him to meet his maker.

      I don’t like this attitude that somehow all criminals deserve to die. None of them do. Violence causes infinite chain reactions of action and reaction that inevitably lead to their deaths - such is the karmic trail of violence. Death and violence are matters of personal responsibility, not the responsibility of mobs. For whatever reason, two prison bros took it upon themselves to dish out some bicycle chair justice, but it is not for us to pass judgement.

      It’s like at the end of that movie, where they nail Danny Glover to a cross with those two criminals, and the criminal is all like - ‘sup Black Jesus, can you forgive me for being a criminal’ and Jesus is all like ‘bro, you will be a bro with me in heaven’ and then the other criminal is all like ‘pfft. lol.’ and then the Predator shows up and cuts his head off and then Black Jesus is all like ‘I’m getting too old for this shit.’

      RIP Carl Williams.

    • mw says:

      10:49am | 22/04/10

      I’m praying to the spaghetti monster right now that you’re in the process of writing the Gospel according to Zeta.

    • Jenks says:

      10:50am | 22/04/10

      WTF?

    • David C says:

      10:57am | 22/04/10

      Im calling this article by Penberthy one of his best and this comment by Zeta one of the best.
      Take a bow

    • Glen says:

      11:05am | 22/04/10

      The Punch should start paying you to write Zeta

    • bella starkey says:

      11:31am | 22/04/10

      Zeta, are you a mondern day Bokonon? would you like to be, you have ideas i can believe in.

    • Julie Coker-Godson says:

      11:59am | 22/04/10

      Gold, Zeta, absolute gold!!!

    • Zeta says:

      12:15pm | 22/04/10

      @ mw - In the beginning, there was God, and God was all like - ‘damn. Saigon. I’m still in Saigon’ and then he chilled with a can of Pabst Blue Ribbon.

      @ Jenks - WTF indeed.

      @ David C - thank you.

      @ Glen - I should be paying them. You know how little journalists earn? Saying someone should write for money because they write something good isn’t a compliment. It’s like saying ‘You’re excellent in bed. You should be a prostitute’.

      @ bella starkey - I’m really the wrang wrang.

    • WKH says:

      12:42pm | 22/04/10

      But wait on there a minute Zeta! Journalists not paid well you say?I heard Krudd say to Kieran Gilbert on Agenda and I quote the best I can remember “it is unfair that people like you and me on over 200 grand a year blah blah blah lets break another election promise blah blah blah” and Kieran didn’t object.

    • BBB says:

      01:43pm | 22/04/10

      I’m not sure about crossing the bible with popular culture references.  I’m confused.  I mean Edward Norton was Brad Pitt.  That means Jesus was hitting himself in the head and he liked Ikea, well at least he did before he blew up his digs.  Weird.  And should the Pixies have sung where is my cross as the big J watches the fruits of his labours unfold with the long suffering Mary (Marla)?  Let’s not start on Predator.  The Austrian Jesus would have looked at Carl Williams’ rolls of blubber and probably would have terminated him with the phased plasma rifle in the 40 watt range.  Hasta la vista, fat boy.  Or something like that.

    • Nick Mulgrave says:

      04:47pm | 22/04/10

      Hey Zeta, I take it you where a former customers of Carl’s.

    • Phil says:

      09:16am | 23/04/10

      Genius.

    • J says:

      09:56am | 22/04/10

      I’m with you David.  The whole situation is just tragic.  His children have to live with the shadow that their father’s deplorable life had cast for the rest of theirs.

      Whether it’s a case of what he deserved, I’ll leave that up to the more visceral poster.  Certainly with the life he led, as you said, the outcome wasn’t very surprising.

    • H of SA says:

      10:22am | 22/04/10

      Tend to agree with the article author’s sentiments. The posturing that has occurred after Williams death is pathetic. The tone of the conversation reminds me of 12 year olds discussing who in their year they reckon they could beat up – except its adults speaking this way.

      It was something disturbingly immature in human beings, some childish desire to be edgy that made people interested in this scene anyway (how else do you explain Underbelly? Essentially a soft porn program enjoyed with equal “gusto” by 12 year old boys and grown men, moisturiser sales must have skyrocketed round then)

      Likewise with the “tough talk” about the now dead Williams. It smacks of all the same motivations and maturity as poking a dead body with a stick to show your mates you’re not scared.

    • TheRealDave says:

      10:32am | 22/04/10

      To be fair, Williams only orchestrated the killings of other maggot lowlife criminals and sold gear to junkies. So its not like he ever endangered the general public.

      Maybe we should be rewarding people who help ‘clean up the trash’ as it were?

      Hang on, a thought occurs .......Put out a hit list of 10 crims every week and pay $10k if you bring their head in to the local police for verification. We can get Southern Star/Endomol to make a weekly reality series based off it. Start a Facebook group and have people ‘opt in’ for SMS alerts for status updates etc ....Running Man style (as in Running Man the book rather than the craptastic Arnie telemovie of it).

      Win-Win I say. People get cash rewards, TV ratings go up, less incentive to be a crim wink

    • David C says:

      11:01am | 22/04/10

      I wonder what would happen when all the crims had been wasted, who would be next ? dole bludgers? fat people? drug addicts? illegal immigrants?

    • Mike says:

      01:01pm | 23/04/10

      RealDave - I believe there was a movie about this sort of thing, except they were ordinary citizens. The lead character was a pregnant teen. Death Race also follows a similar narritive.

      And I reckon Arnies ‘Running Man’ was more Craptacular then Craptastic.

      David C - What great way to thin the herd.

    • Kamm says:

      10:34am | 22/04/10

      Thanks Pembo - finally some sense.

    • bella starkey says:

      10:38am | 22/04/10

      I just don’t care, hey.

    • Craig says:

      10:40am | 22/04/10

      Let’s be honest David. In many ways, the community takes its cues from the media - something you conveniently fail to mention here. Many sections of the media - and the Murdoch press in particular - quickly set the tone for public sentiment following Williams’s death. For example, Andrew Bolt let rip with this:
      “Let’s see his ‘baby face’ now. Let’s see what Carl Williams looks like after being bashed to death. Show the body, as we used to do when a killer was finally dead and we needed to kill his legend, too.”
      I wonder whether the online reader you cited making a joke about the “cycle of violence” drew inspiration from the Tele’s Tim Blair: (http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/timblair/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/cycle_of_violence/). Blair went on to ask: “Does the Herald Sun deserve credit for Williams’s shortened sentence? If so, well done.”
      Boom boom indeed.
      Paul Kent, writing on page 1 of the Daily Telegraph, set the mood with this:  “And so fat Carl is dead. Boo hoo.”
      On page 1!
      So, while it’s reasonable to admonish members of the public for their awful bloodlust, I think it’s more than a little disingenuous to omit the role your comrades - and your organisation in particular - have played in fuelling it.
      Looking forward to Media Watch on Monday.

    • BTS says:

      10:53am | 22/04/10

      Excellent point Craig, my post at 10.17am refers.

    • Tommy Gun says:

      11:04am | 22/04/10

      Completely agree with you Craig- spot on!!!  The commercial media cont. to try to bring us all down to the lowest common denominator…As for Mr.Bolt; i find most of his articles quite detestable.,this one particularly so!!

    • TheRealDave says:

      11:14am | 22/04/10

      Well said Craig.

      I’ve seen a growing trend lately of ‘news’ articles referencing comments made to news stories as news in its own right and a vindication of their own slant on facts and stories. It smacks of lazy ‘journalism’ to me. Why write a story when you can just copy and paste from the comments section?

      What makes it sadder is, as you mention, the ‘reporter’ comments on the ‘blood lust’ whipped up by his own colleagues and fails to mention to slanted stories desing to illicit just such a response. But I guess thats just symptomatic of modern ‘journalism’.

    • Della says:

      11:25am | 22/04/10

      I agree, Craig.

      For many years, there has been what seems like a complete lack of accountability for the absolute drivel by paid commentary writers that’s published by News Limited. I’m thinking in particular of Andrew Bolt and Tim Blair here. Not only are their writings often inflammatory/defamatory/filled with gall, but they promote that sort of thing in the comments their blogs, etc attract.

      It’s unfortunate to see “journalism” going for the absolute lowest common denominator in this way. For any editor to think that it would be appropriate for a columnist to gloat over the death of anyone in such a public and permanent way is astounding.

      However, in some ways I think this sort of “journalism” and the comments that go hand-in-hand with it are part of some sort of vicious circle. Vitroillic comments simply fuel the writing and vice versa. There seems to be no shortage of people who comment on many, many News Limited blogs and news articles who seem to feel free to say incredibly outrageous things. Their glee over the death of Carl Williams is just a small part of this, unfortunately.

      Perhaps it wouldn’t be such a bad thing if people weren’t allowed to comment on news stories on news websites and things simply went back to the old Letter to the Editor style of comment. I don’t believe the comments section on news articles add anything to the articles in terms of quality, content or additional information, so why even bother to allow it?

    • 3blower says:

      10:47am | 22/04/10

      The murder of any human being is a crime against humanity and god no matter who they are.
      Ity’a s a pity David misses the mark by his refernce to purgatory there being no such place. Maybe Williams finds himself hell today we do not know as this is out of the realm of man to decide. Whatever, Williams now faces his final adjudicator.Tragic indeed!!

    • Richard Tuffin says:

      11:02am | 22/04/10

      Well, he didn’t effect my life / family / friends in any way, shape or form so I’m neither happy nor unhappy about Carl Williams death. Having said that, it’s understandable that those whose lives he did effect, particularly Jason Moran’s wife and kids might wanna sneak in and do a little two-step on his freshly dug grave sometime in the near future.. 

      Maybe some of those who are celebrating his death were also personally touched by his actions, or just thought that anyone who committed such hideous crimes probably deserved to have their head caved in.

      If they were in the first of these categories, I’d be wanting to stay anonymous as well quite frankly! Others who celebrated his death were probably a bit gutless not to credit themselves with their comments though.

    • NG says:

      11:55am | 22/04/10

      Well said Richard, and very true.  Personally, I’m glad he’s dead. However, the manner in which he died sickens me to the stomach. Why am I glad? Because I’m in the first of those catogries.

    • Anthony says:

      11:11am | 22/04/10

      “Blair went on to ask: “Does the Herald Sun deserve credit for Williams’s shortened sentence? If so, well done.””
      If so, maybe they’ll also take the blame for the next person who decides not to co-operate with police inquiries for fear of being “outed” as an informer by the media. Since it appears that some trials with Williams as witness may not now go ahead, I trust that Bolt, Blair and the like will be pleased with that outcome as well and that they will be comfortable in taking the blame for any future crimes committed by people who, if not for the media, would be safely locked up.
      It’s obvious they (and their readers) don’t care a scrap about consequences - only about sensation.

    • Over and Over says:

      11:22am | 22/04/10

      Tabloid media coverage and glossy gangster docudrama is what I rejoice in the death of, not the manner of this person’s passing. Let’s not glamourise these people or give them any airtime in the future.

    • Leah Cim says:

      11:23am | 22/04/10

      Convicted of four murders, actually. Pleaded guilty to three, was earlier found guilty by a jury (that was not reported until the outstanding matters had been cleared up). So many reports have got this wrong this week. (Channel 9, I’m looking at you.) It’s all there on the Victorian Supreme Court website.

    • nic says:

      11:32am | 22/04/10

      A good piece David, better than some at the Punch which are little more than lazy grenades lobbed to get a bit of an argument going.

      I too think Zeta should be paid as a staff writer lol.

    • Iconoclast says:

      02:40pm | 22/04/10

      Could some one please explain to me why Zeta’s jumbled and scrambled pop references deserve so much praise. I just don’t seem to get what the fuss is. I must be a little to square.

    • mw says:

      04:23pm | 22/04/10

      Personally I feel that Zeta’s rants provide an amusing and apt reflection of how seriously alot of commentary should be taken.

      I also have sense of random sense of humor…

    • Lady Fong says:

      11:43am | 22/04/10

      Ambivalent, indifferent,  incredulous? I can’t let every tragedy get to me now, can I? Or else, I’d do myself in as well. I have to turn the page and go on living. Williams’ murder points to terrible corruption in some quarter[s] and has to be revealed. It can’t be business as usual as far as officialdom is concerned. Or else we’d have to stop lecturing other countries on matters of corruption. Then we’d have time on our hands, wouldn’t we?

    • Geoff says:

      12:04pm | 22/04/10

      What about Paul Howes, the head of the AWU trying to glorify his death on Twitter. Those unions make me sick. As for all those people who pay their union membership: your dollars hard at work.

    • BTS says:

      09:15am | 23/04/10

      So a Union worker is not entitled independent thought and opinion.

    • JJJ says:

      12:45pm | 22/04/10

      I don’t/didn’t want to kill Carl Williams. But am I sad he is dead? No. Why? Is it because I am heartless? No. People like Carl, who can apparently kill without remorse threaten my safe way of life and those I love. I imagine MOST people feel this way and it’s for that reason that people are making seeming callous comments like “good riddance”. It’s not that we are bad people, we just don’t want actual bad people ruining a perfectly great life for the rest of us. & I believe in karma.

    • Anne71 says:

      01:01pm | 22/04/10

      I certainly didn’t feel any “glee” over Williams’ death, just an overwhelming sense of inevitability. But to celebrate his death the way some people are doing is just horrible. And regardless of whether or not you feel any great sympathy or sorrow for his end, it is essential that the authorities find out how it came about - not just for Williams’ family and friends, but all of us who believe that the law should never be taken into one’s own hands, regardless of the provocation.

    • Bruce says:

      06:28pm | 22/04/10

      Anne71, Agree. Something about “Williams” murder stinks of something very rotten. I hope the authorities can get to the bottom of it.

    • Scott Glennon says:

      01:31pm | 22/04/10

      Who would have thought murderers would murder each other?

      Sneaky criminals!

    • Eleanor says:

      03:17pm | 22/04/10

      My first thoughts when I heard about this was ‘Let the media circus begin.’ It’s been what, four days now and it’s been on the Herald Sun’s front page each day. I didn’t really care when I first heard, and now it’s just annoying.

    • nevrsmenme says:

      03:19pm | 22/04/10

      Maybe the reaction of glee on behalf of some people could be attributed to the frustration they feel toward the fairly lacklustre justice system we have in this country (ie.- kill someone, say you were drunk at the time of the offense, express remorse, plead guilty = minimum jail time if any). I can certainly think of worse countries than Australia to be a murderer/career criminal in.

    • Anne71 says:

      07:33pm | 22/04/10

      You’ve got a very good point there. When you see so many criminals literally getting away with murder in our courts, you can understand why some people might feel a sense of satisfaction when one of them is paid back in kind, so to speak. Perhaps if the authorities actually made punishments fit the crime, and put the perpetrators in jail where they belong - and kept them there - people would not be so quick to celebrate something like this.

    • James says:

      03:31pm | 22/04/10

      Vicariously, we live while the whole world dies. Morbid but true…Don’t lie, you feel the same.

    • Jenni from the Shire says:

      05:31pm | 22/04/10

      Hear hear, Penbo. An excellent piece bringing some perspective to the issue of people’s reactions to this shocking event.

    • BTS says:

      06:21pm | 22/04/10

      People seem to be more concerned about the welfare of his child, more than he ever was about her.

    • L of Melb says:

      07:20pm | 22/04/10

      David YOU are the one making money discussing Carl Williams.

    • Kate says:

      08:20pm | 22/04/10

      It’s pretty sickening that people are so enthusiastic about Williams’ death.
      However, it’s more sickening to glorify his life, and the life of others like him. There were two contradictory, and equally disgraceful, articles in the Herald Sun today. Mick Gatto’s piece, essentially saying he was glad Williams had died, was bad. But worse was the piece devoting an entire page to Williams’ father going on and on about what sort of bloke his son was and how he used to play footy as a kid and blah blah, the sort of thing you’d expect to see after the death of some Australian cultural icon.
      This man killed people. He dealt drugs. He showed zero remorse for his actions and appeared to revel in the media attention. There was nothing glamorous or exciting about his pathetic life, and nothing worth mourning.

    • Mary says:

      08:35pm | 22/04/10

      He brought this upon himself, he deserves it. He had a choice to live a good honest life or one or crime and he made his choice and he dies by those consequences.

    • Dan says:

      03:35am | 23/04/10

      Whether he ‘brought this upon himself’ is debatable. I don’t think that anyone, regardless of whom they are and what they’ve done, deserves to be murdered. Remember, he was sentenced to life, not to death.

    • BTS says:

      09:14am | 23/04/10

      Life as in the rest of your life behind bars, not life to be celebrated.

    • Dan says:

      09:28pm | 23/04/10

      BTS, there is a difference between celebrating his life and not celebrating his death.

    • Ashley says:

      01:10am | 23/04/10

      In regards to comments on news sites, some of the worst that I’ve read were concerning the Perth woman who glassed a female and was recently jailed and released on bail, pending appeal. Although a shocking incident , which unsurprisingly provoked strong reaction, many of the comments were so below the belt it was actually offensive. Publishing this sort of stuff just serves to lower human sensibilities. As someone commented, from 500 comments there were maybe15 that were intelligent. The majority consisted of bile spewing vitriol and bitchy, irrelevant crap. Yet in the same breath those posters were lamenting the breakdown of society’s morals.

    • Steve says:

      01:10am | 23/04/10

      I’m not happy about anyone’s untimely death but I can’t say I feel any remorse. To be honest I’m surprised that so many people are happy he’s dead. I thought I was the only person left in Australia who didn’t get a kick out of the whole Melbourne gangland thing.
      We have top rating show glorifying it all. For a long time Carl has been treated by the media like a celebrity rather than a gutless criminal. Meanwhile roberta’s been treated by the media like some B grade celebrity or perhaps like the WAG hanging off some cricket star.
      I’m just glad that not all Australian’s think the thugs and murderous scum are hot stuff after all. As far as I’m concerned if they kill each other it’s not a bad thing for the rest of us. Just as long as innocents aren’t getting caught up in it which usually happens.

    • Sherekahn says:

      10:14am | 23/04/10

      The whole Country should be ashamed of this incident!  It resembles incidents of The French Revolution or perhaps The Hunchback of Notre Dame.  However, it also reveals the discarding of our British Heritage in favour of the worst of American infiltration of Australia Society.
      Our Law systems countrywide are abysmal.  We ditch corporal punishment because of mushy religion and allow, indeed encourage death by the mob, by corrupt officials from the State Premier to down to Policemen, the Medical Fraternity and Jail Wardens.

      Now what are you left with?  A Pandora’s box of FILTH.
      “He to whom Zeus sends none but evil gifts will be pointed at by the finger of scorn, the hand of famine will pursue him to the ends of the world, and he will go up and down the face of the earth, respected neither by gods nor men.” (Wikapedia) 

      Was Carl Williams ever put before a psychiatrist?  All policemen and jail staff should be subjected to an annual assessment by two or three independent psychiatrists.  Surely, the public are entitled to expect this as they seem to come under such temptation or stress.

      If Carl Williams had been, he would surely have been diagnosed with psychosis.

      Or am I missing the point here?
      They did know and thought it would be a good tool to decimate the “Mob”.

      (Cultural Dictionary)
      psychosis [(seye-koh-sis)]
      A severe mental disorder, more serious than neurosis, characterized by disorganized thought processes, disorientation in time and space, hallucinations, and delusions. Paranoia, manic depression, megalomania, and schizophrenia are all psychoses. One who suffers from psychosis is psychotic.
      What do we see in Penbo’s face?

    • Silvia G says:

      11:15am | 23/04/10

      People like Carl Williams fascinate me, its like staring into the eyes of a snake. How could they go so radically wrong and justify to themselves that what they are doing is acceptable?. Carl Williams made a living out of violence, in many ways its an end to his life that had to be. If you live by the sword you die by the sword. Don’t get me wrong, I do not find his death acceptable, he was in a place where he should have had far more protection in life than you and me. I feel we are missing many pieces of this story, hopefully time will reveal them and those involved will be punished.

    • Gavin says:

      11:40am | 23/04/10

      I personally would love to set these bloodluster commentators down to watch the CCTV footage of the murder in all its gruesome details. If they close their eyes in any parts of it, they would need to watch it again. I’m betting many would not be able to hold their stomachs in check.

    • Glenn Partridge says:

      10:56pm | 23/04/10

      Carl was not a psychopath, he was in a world of drug dealing, crims and killers some of whom were psychopaths and, he played to win!
      Because he was not an obvious toughy as the rest in that world are and because he looks dummy sucking stupid, the hard guys underestimated him. Poor Carl was a dumd sucking stupid seagull who tried to fly like a condore and there was no chance of him surviving.
      For the pro’s, cross your fingers there’s no real enquiry into his murder, there’s a few vacancies to fill and it’s back to business, there’s money to be made.

 

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