We throw away last season’s clothes, older-model cars and mobile phones that are out of date. But is our disposable society starting to throw away workers?

The big question is: what next? Pic: Mike Keating

Last week Toyota laid off 350 workers from its Altona plant in Melbourne. It did so in a way that showed a total disrespect for their dignity as people. I accept that it may have been necessary for Toyota to reduce its workforce – times are tough for manufacturing – but I do not accept that it was necessary to publicly humiliate them.

I do not accept it was necessary to frogmarch employees out of the building, in front of TV cameras. I do not accept it was necessary to label the retrenched workers as underperformers without right of reply. I question why so many members who had roles with their union were retrenched.

Toyota will have a lot of work to do to convince its remaining staff that it has their interests at heart, and improve morale. Companies that belittle their workforce in public aren’t going to achieve anything.

But there’s a bigger story here. When the media coverage has died down, 350 people, many with families and mortgages, will be left to work out what to do with the rest of their working lives. This is a story that is happening all over Australia, especially in manufacturing, and especially to older men.

Being thrown out of work is a difficult experience for anyone, but for those with specialised skills, who have been in the one industry their whole life, it can be a massive and damaging change.

In 2005 Mitsubishi laid off workers at its Lonsdale Plant in South Australia. Many were long-term employees, often with no skills outside manufacturing and few formal qualifications. A few years later, research by academics and the Australian Manufacturing Workers Union found that only 37 per cent were in permanent employment, and 70 per cent of those in casual employment wanted full-time work.

The story of this group was of people whose skills were once in demand, being left behind and drifting in a world of temporary, semi-skilled or unskilled work. I call this group “The forgotten blokes”, men who can’t get the work they want, because the careers they trained for are disappearing, but who are perceived as too old to contribute.

Too many are ending up on the Disability Support Pension, where they stay until they turn 65 and go onto the Aged Pension. A huge amount of ability, experience and willingness to work is being wasted. It’s not a problem that just affects older men either. The world has changed hugely in the last 30 years. The idea that people will have one job for life, or even work in the same industry is gone.

The question is how do we prepare people for this world? How do we make sure that workers remain employable throughout their lives, and don’t end up as disposable?

Although our official unemployment figure is 5.2 per cent, that does not include the under-employment figure of around 7 per cent, and the fact that the average underemployed person wants to work an extra 15 hours each week.

Many workers move from unemployment, to underemployment, to temporary low-wage jobs, and back to unemployment again, without ever being able to save enough money to stay ahead or buy time to upgrade their skills. At the same time business is importing workers on 457 visas, because we have failed to train enough Australians in key skills.

Former Deputy Prime Minister Brian Howe is conducting an inquiry on behalf of the ACTU into the effects of insecure work on Australia. Last week he spoke at the Press Club about the development of a “core” and a “periphery” in the Australian workforce.

Workers in the core, who have permanent positions or in-demand skills, reap the benefits of a flexibility that allows them to work in different jobs, in different countries, shaping their careers to suit themselves.

Meanwhile workers in the periphery, stuck in a succession of insecure, low-paid jobs, experience a “flexibility” that sees them not knowing from one week to the next how many hours they’ll work, and having to juggle their family responsibilities around work.

All evidence shows that the size of the insecure workforce on the periphery is growing, and that life on the periphery is not temporary, it’s permanent. The workforce is becoming more disposable.

Things like casual work, the rise in short-term contracts and use of labour hire, reflect the fact that a worker is more likely to be hired just to do a specific task, rather than as a long-term part of the business.

This may improve profits in the short-term, but it shifts a huge burden of stress and insecurity on to lower-paid workers. As well, these workers are not going to get any real improvement to their skills, at a time when technology is changing rapidly.

As a society, we need to think about the long-term impact of casualisation on our skills base, and what that means for the opportunities of thousands of Australians. We are entering an age where Australia will face intense competition from other countries, at a time where technology is changing faster than ever.

How do we compete in the long-term if we do not encourage Australian workers to increase their skills and prepare themselves for new economy? We will never be able to compete with China and India on price, so we have to do it on the quality of what we produce, and the skills of our citizens.

Governments, businesses and unions need to work together to create better ways for people to train throughout their lives, and make sure that we invest in our most valuable asset – our people. We need to encourage a culture of continual learning that keeps us competitive, and makes sure as many Australians as possible get a chance at the fulfilling careers of the 21st century.

Let’s keep the scrapheap for cars, phones and clothes – not people.

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    • Mark/Fox says:

      07:13pm | 23/04/12

      Financial crap aside. Too many people, cost of overpopulation.

    • stephen says:

      06:49pm | 23/04/12

      Of course Toyota shed workers here, but have they shed any in Tokyo ?
      BMW has a manufacturing plant in Alabama, and if there is strife in the company, even in Munich, does anyone doubt that the first workers laid off would not be locals ?

      We should welcome investment and commitments from overseas companies who wish to set up shop here, but we would be wise to assume that, at the first sign if diminished returns, Head Office wouldn’t, for political as well as financial reasons, sacrifice talent close to home at the expense of its satelite plants.
      This is the trade-off for not expanding our own carmaking facilities : at the first signs of trouble, outsiders look after their bottom lines first, and it is our workers who suffer first, and most.

    • stephen says:

      09:35pm | 23/04/12

      I wasn’t criticizing business Jim so much as host countries like ourselves who give money to overseas companies then wonder what goes wrong when they sack workers, or jump ship altogether.
      My key point is that businesses, as you point out, are not charities ... nor are we.

    • Jim says:

      07:35pm | 23/04/12

      Businesses aren’t charities stephen…if it costs twice as much to produce something in a country that always has the threat of industrial action when the fresh milk runs out, as it does in another country where the workers value their jobs and don’t think the world owes them a living then of course they’ll close up and look after their bottom line.

      What exactly do Toyota owe the workers in Australia other than decades of union snouts in the trough, disputes, fake compo claims and expensive overheads?

      Yes, I feel sorry for the innocent workers who are forced to join the union or face harrassment and ostracism, but you join a union and eventually you pay the price - you make yourself unemployable to anyone else.

    • Uh oh. says:

      03:50pm | 23/04/12

      It’s all OK Ged. According to the ACTU’s ‘Green Gold Rush’ report there are up to 1 million green jobs on the way. They’re still coming aren’t they?

    • Esteban says:

      01:18pm | 23/04/12

      “Governments, businesses and unions need to work together to create better ways for people to train throughout their lives, and make sure that we invest in our most valuable asset – our people”

      This is a wonderful motherhood statement Ged but what is your union actually doing in concrete terms to assist?

      The unions via its political arm the ALP re regulated the workforce that took back reforms brought in during the Hawke/Keating era. How was this working with businesses?

      You have also endorsed the carbon tax. It will have an impact on business.

      All your member’s problems can be helped if the union starts looking at things from the employer’s view not the employee.

      Try to understand what the goals of the company are and ways to allow the union to meet those goals.

      You should promote loyalty from your memebrs to the company they work for. Why would I spend money training someone if they are going to leave and take those skills to a competitor?

      Do you have stats on how many of your apprentice members leave the company that trained them the minute they got their trade?

      If people don’t stay on after you train them why bother in the first place? A 457 visa worker appears to more stable and reliable and cheaper option.

      Get inside the head of the employer and identify what they find attractive about a casualised workforce. Find a way to counter that with a permanent workforce.

      Breakdown the confrontational relationship with the employer.

      What does the fact that many of the redundant workers were union officials and required an escort off the premise tell you? They didn’t have trust in them. The company thought that there was a risk having them on the premises.

      The requirement to be escorted off the premises is a poor reflection on the workers.

    • Bryan says:

      12:55pm | 23/04/12

      Ged, I have read you columns over the past year and I have got to say I now know why both my parents (who both belonged to unions) were so taken in and then finally spat out. You along with many of you leadership group live in a different world. One where conflict, dis-respect and suspicion are not only the norm but are fostered and encouraged.

      Heres a tip - Spend more time and effort trying to create a stable, friendly, amicable and respectful environments for your members and it will do the world of good for both you and you members. But wait!... - then why would they need you?

    • Jim says:

      11:56am | 23/04/12

      Who called the TV cameras in, Ged? Highly doubt it was Toyota…

      And as far as the poor uptake rate of workers from Londsdale goes…their only hope of employment lies in sectors that are just as heavily unionised. No one else would touch them with a 10 foot pole.

      That is a monster of your making, Ged…not society’s problem.

    • Azzure says:

      11:15am | 23/04/12

      I do not think people understand the severity of what is happening in this country.

      - Increasing number of unskilled jobs going offshore, simply because Australia refuses to be competitive on wages and conditions.

      - Increasing number of highly skilled and educated Australians are moving overseas to live and do business in countries which support achievement through lower taxes and a pro development attitude.

      Where does this leave Australia, an unskilled, over-regulated, over-taxed, poorly educated welfare state that after it has killed off the goose that is laying the golden egg (mining & the effect of the carbon & mining tax)? Its not a very bright future at all.

    • Jim says:

      12:09pm | 23/04/12

      Of course our skills and innovation are moving offshore…Australia has the highest overheads and operating costs in the entire world. Businesses would be crazy to pick Australia to set up in at the moment.

      Ask yourself this…if Holden needed that bail-out, while the Commodore has been the #1 seller here for years, AND while the Commodore costs $10-15K MORE than similar sized cars that, lets face it, perform just as well if not better, have more accessories and a much better warranty - why are the likes of Hyundai, Nissan, Mitsubishi etc NOT recieving bail-outs from their governments? That’s right, they are profitable!

      As companies and employment opportunities move off shore, so must the next generation of skill.

    • Andrew says:

      10:35am | 23/04/12

      so they were suppose to let the fired employees just walk around and do whatever they wanted. Many would have just walked out, but there will always be a few that decide they would get some sort of revenge by destroying something or causing trouble. It was hardly Toyotas fault that the media was there to cover it. They have every right to make sure there property is looked after.

    • jg says:

      10:25am | 23/04/12

      Two words.

      Craig Thomson

    • Unions are thugs these days says:

      01:06pm | 23/04/12

      Well said, well said.
      If I was a Toyota has to put up a case for their actions all they should do is place a photo of Craig “I’m a stealing whore banging Union boss” Thomson and they will win!!!!!
      Labour, Unions equal the death of Aussie manufacturing…........My grandfather a die hard Union and Labour member would be rolling in his gave due to this lot…..

    • Alby says:

      10:17am | 23/04/12

      Unbelievable, just staggering, i cannot get over the unions arrogance. Toyota should be applauded for putting up with unions and the most hostile business enviroment in the world. Where else is there a reverse onus of proof of innocence needed by an employer for doing nothing wrong. Why don’t we like to be successful. Why bite the hand that feeds you?

    • cynic says:

      09:50am | 23/04/12

      Ged, nice try but pretty lightweight, as usual. As for your great ir system, shows just how bad things go when the unions want to run a business. Much like the actu insurance scheme a decade ago. Went broke after a couple of years!!!

    • sodapoppy says:

      02:54pm | 23/04/12

      Wasn’t there an ACTU Supermarket in Melbourne once upon a time?

    • Bitten says:

      10:03am | 23/04/12

      Agreed. Lightweight nonsense, heavy on ideology, light on substance. Although I note Ms Kearney is trying to use more inclusive, less divisive language in her recent ‘articles’ (bit of a misnomer really, given the lack of intellect behind it). Starting to realise that you and your union lot represent an absolute minority of Australian citizens and the writing is on the wall? Trying to appeal to the rest of us? Nice try darling.

    • Anjuli says:

      09:47am | 23/04/12

      Is this the company which Kevin Rudd give $35 million to even though they said they did not want it ?.

    • Doh says:

      09:43am | 23/04/12

      These workers without jobs have the right to be angry:
      - at the union for negotiating ridiculous conditions that put pressure on Toyota’s bottom line.
      - The ALP’s industrial relations policy and Fair Work Australia.
      - The ALP/Green/Independents who voted for the Carbon Tax
      - At themselves for taking too many “sickies”

    • Bitten says:

      05:50pm | 23/04/12

      More like out of their interest in the bottom line and profitability in the long game Spack.

      But by all means, continue to spout your divisive ideological claptrap - it makes it easier to spot you union-hacks who’ve never run a business and have no idea about the link between employee-attitude and productivity. Keep on at ‘the bosses’ Spack, don’t let them pull the wool over YOUR eyes.

    • Spack says:

      05:25pm | 23/04/12

      After all, the Libs will totally back business and not the workers which is OK because all bosses can be totally trusted to do the right thing out of the goodness of their hearts!

    • Steve says:

      03:22pm | 23/04/12

      Great post.

    • Jane2 says:

      09:33am | 23/04/12

      Retrenchment is an opportunity. I ampositive all 350 of these people had a wish list of things they would like to try/do. I know I am continually hearing people say how they would like to set up a business etc. Now they have the chance and dont have the excuses to not do it.

    • Mr Cranky says:

      12:05pm | 23/04/12

      Not everybody is suited to run their own business and If I was made redundant from Toyota the first thing I would do is clear as much debt keeping in mind you can’t just go and apply for a Newstart payment until your redundancy payment is used. Centrelink tell you when you can apply for NS. How many of these workers received enough to start a business.? I don’t encourage anyone to apply for NS unless it is a last measure.

    • year of the dragon says:

      09:31am | 23/04/12

      “I do not accept it was necessary to label the retrenched workers as underperformers”

      “I question why so many members who had roles with their union were retrenched. “

      I’m sure that the fact that the underperformers were disproportionally members of the union is just a coincidence.

    • Arthur says:

      08:58am | 23/04/12

      Okay, here’s our game plan. It’s worked perfectly.

      Sell stuff like mines and farms. Let Asia sell us junk. We’re happy.

      Live for today. Don’t worry about tomorrow and our kids and their kids.

      Greed is good. Even if it’s to the expense of entire future generations.

    • Arthur says:

      01:55pm | 23/04/12

      It’s not a mantra RyaN.

      It’s bloody selfish, short sited, greedy, self indulgent stupidity.

      I’m 47 and am ashamed at what my cohorts have and continue to do.

    • RyaN says:

      01:14pm | 23/04/12

      The baby boomer mantra right?

    • Cleitus says:

      08:42am | 23/04/12

      Kearney, your views turn these workers into children.  Apparently, it’s everyone’s responsibility but their own for these men to develop employable skills and seek out lucrative work to provide for their own families. The attitudes of dependence and entitlement that your views encourage fundamentally corrode individual strength of character, energy, enterprise and ultimately self-respect and pride.

    • Nilbog says:

      09:16am | 23/04/12

      Agree. What happened to real men who took responsibility for their own lives and not just whinged? Guys who take positive steps to retrain and make sure they are an irreplaceable employee?

      Apparently there are none to be found in the unions…

    • Anna C says:

      08:41am | 23/04/12

      To get ahead in this type of economy people need to be up-skilling/re-skilling themselves throughout their working lives.  I’m sure a lot of these retrenched workers saw the writing on the wall and should have been more prepared.

      I’m suprised Ged, that you see this as a problem.  Where are all these new jobs that the Carbon Tax is supposed to create. You guys (unions) supported the Carbon tax even though you knew it would have a negative impact on jobs.  Perhaps if union reps spent more time trying to protect their workers jobs (by opposing a Carbon tax) instead of rorting union members’ funds on living the high life these workers wouldn’t be in this situation.

    • John F says:

      08:09am | 23/04/12

      I have worked in the R&D electronics industry for 30 plus years, I had a very succesful electronics contracting company for 6 years making high end equipment for things like GPS farming and mining. One company I did work for received @ $3 million in goverment grants. I assisted them from the time the company had 4 employee’s until they had over 100. We built all their equipment and had a staff of 20 people to help. We gave employment to people who had been injured in their other profeshions and couldn’t continue working as they had previously (e.g. a horse breaker !). We located the business in the Ipswich area with the view that we could also service Amberly air force base. Our overheads were low and we took a lot of care of our workers giving them flexible hours to fit in with their families and finacialy helping them out when desperate (car repairs etc).
      The company that received the $3 million wanted to set up base in the US and asked us to assist a company in the US to get the manufacturing up to standard. We were told that it would be a 2nd manufacturing base and that we would continue to build for Australia and Europe. Well guess what they did ? They took their $3 million and moved their operations to the US, left us with stock that had no value except to them and 12 months latter with contracts equaling $4 million a year the taxation department forced us to close down. We appealed to the taxation department siteing our new contracts, we tried to get goverment funding and failed. Bottom line is that this company took tax payer money, left Australia and sent a local business broke.
      I’ve heard before from the short sighted about learning new skills in Australia to replace manufacturing, I call bullshit on that one ! Manufacturing is just the multiplication of a large number of skills to finaly realise a product. If Australia thinks that manufacturing can be replaced by keyboards in office buildings we are in a lot more trouble than we know.

    • Al says:

      04:42pm | 23/04/12

      Holeproof did the same thing, as did Oates Cleaning and many others. A big slug of taxpayer money then of shore to China.

      The clever country? It certainly isn’t Australia - more like a country of mugs!

    • year of the dragon says:

      08:04am | 23/04/12

      “This is a story that is happening all over Australia, especially in manufacturing, and especially to older men.”

      Yes it is. And it will continue to happen whilst Gillard and Swann engage in their ideological warfare against those with the intestinal fortitude to put their capital at risk and the gumption to work hard to innovate and produce. Whilst they continue to waste the benefits from the industrialisation of our trading partners. And continue to destroy our international competitiveness to achieve no good thing in the pursuit of dodgy science.

      “As a society, we need to think about the long-term impact of casualisation on our skills base, and what that means for the opportunities of thousands of Australians.”

      Perhaps if employers could employ permanent employees without fear of intimidation and disruption by the unions and without the draconian industrialisation laws non-permanent work wouldn’t be at such dramatically high levels. Still, I’m sure that the fact that non-permanent work has increased since Rudd introduced the new laws is just a coincidence.

    • Fiddler says:

      07:42am | 23/04/12

      your comment covered it all
      “I question why so many members who had roles with their union were retrenched.”
      Maybe because union members have an entitlement mentaility as opposed to just getting in there and doing the job they are paid to do. In the real world we call these people “underperformers”

    • Bradley says:

      07:40am | 23/04/12

      Ged, clean up YOUR corrupt nursing union before telling us what WE should do!

    • Macca says:

      07:38am | 23/04/12

      First of all, to the Toyota situation. It wasn’t the company that released the selection criteria and labelled the workers “slackers”, it was the AMWU.
      Pro-tip: if you want to support your members, publicly slagging off on the company’s performance appraisal process (to which you agreed..) is not going to show said members in particularly good light.

      As for the rise of “insecure work”, surely the Toyota experience has shown us that it’s the performance of the company, not the type of work you are in, that created real security.

    • AdamC says:

      10:59am | 23/04/12

      I agree, Macca. Ultimately, workforce change is a constant of life. It is not a bad thing. After all, if we never changed the composition of the workforce, we would all still be either hunters or gatherers, maybe with the odd cave painter thrown in.

      And there is no doubt that a vibrant job market is the only real form of job security.

    • marley says:

      07:12am | 23/04/12

      Well Ged - here’s a thought - unions are supposed to be organisations designed to help the workers - so why don’t you get off you stop swanning around to conferences in Fiji and start setting up training programs yourself to upgrade your members’ skills? Why don’t you start to work with employers to teach workers basic job readiness skills - like showing up on time for work every day?  Why don’t you start to negotiate more flexibly with employers, so that business can move staff around, get rid of unproductive employees, and make enough of a profit to keep the rest of your members employed? 

      Why don’t you recognise that the solution to all of this cannot lie with government or employers alone;  that you, as much as they, are part of the problem and have to be part of the solution?

    • Tubesteak says:

      01:05pm | 23/04/12

      acotrel
      “Agism will beat you every time unless you are in your own business.  If you are working in a hi-tech job, grab some intellectual property and start on your own.”

      If you’re not in senior management by the time this becomes an issue then more fool you. If you’re just a mid-level operative (even worse a mid-level operative that has let their skills go and wonders if they are too late for the 4:30 auto-giro to Siam) then more fool you. Don’t go blaming everyone else for your shortcomings. Build yourself an empire.

      “How will business owners react to their workers behaving with total ruthlessness ?”

      You mean you don’t treat your employers with cold ruthlessness? Only a blind fool would do that.

    • What are unions for again??? says:

      12:48pm | 23/04/12

      @craig2 well said, I was about to say the same thing before I read your comment. Union members are less than 1/3 of the work force and union boss just spend their union credit cards on whores anyway….so what are the point of them??

      The reason most of the sacked are union people are cos they are the most lazy and very hard to get along with….me dealings with them shows them to be nothing but bullies!!!!!!!!
      Its up to you to train yourself and make a better future for yourself, nobody owes you anything in this world!!!!!!

    • acotrel says:

      10:57am | 23/04/12

      @Tubesteak
      Unions are a reaction ! How will business owners react to their workers behaving with total ruthlessness ?

    • acotrel says:

      08:56am | 23/04/12

      @Tubesteak
      ‘People need to plan their careers carefully. Make sure their skills are up-to-date and transferable. Make sure their skills are relevant to the needs of industries that operate in the economy. Make sure they are future-proofed’
      Crap !  - Agism will beat you every time unless you are in your own business.  If you are working in a hi-tech job, grab some intellectual property and start on your own.

    • Tubesteak says:

      08:35am | 23/04/12

      Those sound like some pretty reasonable suggestions.

      Ged was right when she said “[T]he idea that people will have one job for life, or even work in the same industry is gone”.

      People need to plan their careers carefully. Make sure their skills are up-to-date and transferable. Make sure their skills are relevant to the needs of industries that operate in the economy. Make sure they are future-proofed.

    • thatmosis says:

      07:42am | 23/04/12

      Jed is only there to collect her pay, heaven forbid that she actually does something except whine for the people who pay her.
        As for frog marching the Unionists out of the plane, why not, the company was probably aware that the Unionists would try and cause problems so they negated this by a show of force, sounds like a great decision when one see’s the lengths that Unionists will go to force issues. Get in first and thats that.
        It wouldnt be so bad if Unionists did a days work for a days pay but as seen by the workers, and I use the term lightly, at GMH where the only concern is higher wages for less work, then it was probably the only way that Toyota could make changes without protracted and useless negoitiations that would have lingered on until the company went completely broke.
        The only thing that peeves me is the fact that good tax payers money was used to prop this overseas firm up before the sackings and is still being used by other overseas companies to survive with no increases in production but higher wages for unionists(see GMH).
      I suppose I should make a comment about the useless Gillard almost Government and their Fair work Australia and links to the Unions but couldnt be bothered, not worth wasting space for.

    • craig2 says:

      07:39am | 23/04/12

      Marley: Ged is really only complaining about another 350 workers who can now no longer afford be part of the union and that means less money for people like ged to stay employed. So for Ged, it’s really about her and her future. Quite frankly, the toyota story really shows just how useless and powerless the unions are in today’s society, hence why the future of Gillard et al are in so much trouble, unions today are irrelevant.

    • KH says:

      07:10am | 23/04/12

      Welcome to America.

    • Gary Cox says:

      07:01am | 23/04/12

      Don’t worry Ged, the clean energy revolution is coming, there’ll be jobs everywhere then.

    • Little Joe says:

      06:55pm | 23/04/12

      @ Acotrel,

      Many companies have already taken steps to reduce the future impact of the Carbon Tax ..... they have been sacking people for the past 12-months and/or converting them to casual labour.

      I would have thought that someone like you would have recognised the impact of the Carbon Tax on employment in low profit manufacturing sectors

    • dovif says:

      11:08am | 23/04/12

      Poor Acetroll

      Still fighting the communist war of the 80s

      Yours is the failed communist ideal, where equity is the most important issue, the rest of us has the ideal (and China now subscried to it) that Capitalism promotes efficiency and when the pie ends up being bigger, everyone benefits

      It is time to join the 21st century

    • acotrel says:

      10:31am | 23/04/12

      The commandments of the globalist religion:

      There shalt never be a level playing field.
      Greed shall be recognised as good.
      Never give a bum an even break .
      Always strive for workers conditions which equate to the lowest common denominator.
      Never emulate winning economies and compete on the basis of quality.
      Always lay down and die in the face of competition.
      Never lead by example but manageto suit the situation,never systematically.
      Always bash unionists, they are offensive to God.
      Believers shall inherit the earth or be forever consigned to join the dirty unwashed.

    • dovif says:

      09:21am | 23/04/12

      Ace troll

      you do understand how a business work?

      They have to plan and budget, Toyota’s budget for next year, include a 20% increase in electricity prices, which will have to be reduce by lower wage cost,

      Unlike you and your economically incompetant ALP, we in the real world knows the cost of Julia’s lies, Julia sold out Australian jobs, so she can save 1 single job, her own.

    • acotrel says:

      08:52am | 23/04/12

      @Dovif
      Australia hasn’t introduced carbon trading yet, so why have the jobs gone ? And even if we’d had carbon trading for several years already, that wouldn’t be the prime reason for jobs going offshore.  It’s all about blind ideolgy and belief in opportunistic bullshit ! When Mahathir used Keynseyen economics to save Malaysia during the Asian Crisis, Keating described him as a recalciltrant, and the rest of the ideologues were aghast.  Have a look at Malaysia right now - the result was not all bad !

    • dovif says:

      08:12am | 23/04/12

      Like all those new jobs the european has

      Was that why the European decided to lower their ETS to $9 so it stop damaging their economy

    • Against the Man says:

      06:38am | 23/04/12

      Your government is to blame for this. The unions are to be blamed for this. Don’t try and suger-coat your lies!

    • Little Joe says:

      06:50pm | 23/04/12

      @ Estiban

      We can compete with China in many areas on manufacturing. This is primarily due to transportation costs. But when the Aussie Dollar is unnecessarily so high and the Carbon Tax, watch unemployment rise

    • Little Joe says:

      06:47pm | 23/04/12

      Ged and her Union friends think that companies should be happy to lose millions of dollars and keep employing people.

    • Aaron says:

      05:17pm | 23/04/12

      I think the issue is not so much about job losses, more the way they did it. A similar thing happened with a company called GKN. They did a lot of structural analysis for the JSF, but didn’t plan for the aftermath once that job was done. Then in November last year a few hundred skilled aerospace engineers had no jobs.

      Management needs to make sure that they secure work, or at the least make sure that people know if something is coming up where some jobs may be discontinued.

    • Esteban says:

      02:49pm | 23/04/12

      It is OK Ged. The carbon tax will herald in the jobs of tomorrow. Energy intense jobs are from yesterday and are set to disappear in a country with the highest carbon tax in the region.

      There will be no jobs lost to the carbon tax because Paul Howes said that unions would not support it if 1 job was lost.  So that must be right.

      We have Fair Work Australai to make sure all is OK in the work place. Maybe they can investigate the use of security guards and do a report.

      Stop worrying about those that lost their jobs because they are not fee paying members anymore Ged.

      You are right in that we can not compete with China on labour price. However we are very competitive in mining.  The Govt have sorted that out for us by increasing taxes on what we are very competitive at and subsidising what we are not competitive at.

    • RyaN says:

      01:00pm | 23/04/12

      @ATM: Hear hear. I find it utterly obnoxious for Ged to be posting even one word of condemnation on this considering the FACT that it is her government who are responsible for this and the many, many other jobs that are being lost in manufacturing in planning for the carbon tax.

    • dovif says:

      07:56am | 23/04/12

      Ged

      Here is a through, the car industry uses lots of electricity. Toyota has to budget for a profit in the next financial year, or everyone at the plant will lose their job.

      You government introduced a tax on car manufacturers, called the Carbon tax, this tax makes our car manufacturers even more unprofitable, so they now have to slashes costs, which means 350 people are now out of work because of the ALP

      Since your useless union completely support this tax, your union help caused the lost of these jobs, so stop pretending that you care about workers, in your search for a safe ALP seats, lets hope there is no safe ALP seats after the next election and Australians keeps their jobs

 

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