If Melbourne was a person she would have been sent to Trinny and Susannah by now.

Hmmmm…not sure about that colour. Photo: Getty Images

It wouldn’t be her idea of course - it’s one of those shows she would sneer at - but her loved ones would have given her that little encouraging nudge.

She’d go and be full of fake bravado, giving as much lip at Catherine Deveny on Logies night, bragging about her coffee, her restaurants, her laneways and festivals.

She’d make sure those British style police knew how clever, how witty (hello, Comedy Festival), and how cultured she was.

But Trinny and Susannah wouldn’t be distracted.

This is what I believe they would say.

T&S: Honey, what’s going on right down your middle? You’ve got this exceptionally ugly street, it’s dirty and crammed with fast food outlets and it plays host to drunken violence each night. You’ve got tacky tourist souvenir stores, and bizarrely, horses that are forced to carry their own poo in bags. What were you thinking?

M: Swanston Street’s not my strength, you need to look deeper than that.

T&S: But dear you’ve got to give people a hint that there is something worth looking for. It’s time to bring the cafes out of their laneway hiding places and put them loud and proud right on your main street. You need some creative little shop fronts for those clever Melbourne designers you’re always bragging about and you need some small gardens through the middle of Swanston St, right down the bottom end.

M: Cafes, designers, gardens, I can live with that. Maybe I’ll add a bookshop to that section of the street as well, I am heritage listed city of literature you know.

T&S: Now you’re getting into the swing of things. Let’s move onto Federation Square. It’s a little drab.

M: If you were as clever as me you would know great architecture, like art, is subjective.

T&S: Melbourne, it’s nearly without colour. And it’s not practical. All that brick becomes unbearably hot to sit in during summer and it has a huge amount of outdoor space but no seats.

M: But I paid all that money for Federation Square, I can’t throw it out yet, I haven’t got my wear out of it.

T&S: No need to throw it out, let’s just spruce it up.

M:  More gardens?

T&S: With Fed Square it’s time to tee-in-with-the-theme. It’s the gathering place for fans to watch big sporting events so let’s create a space where people can be active. How about a little grass between the Swanston St facing restaurants? It could be used for volleyball, mini soccer, outdoor yoga, bocci, the possibilities would be endless.

M: Bocci and vino nights, I like the sound of that. Maybe with park benches to watch the action from?

T&S: You really are very clever Melbourne. Now King St, what’s going on there?

M: It used to be a lot of fun but I’m not sure what happened to it .

T&S: Melbourne, we’re not prudes but did you really have to put that many strip clubs on one street? It needs a major clean up.

M: Bleach?

T&S: Definitely bleach. We need to kill off most of the brothels and strip clubs and diversify the street. You need to bring some daylight life back to it.

M: But you can’t just force businesses to move, how do you do it?

T&S: More residential buildings, then the residents will solve your problem. There is nothing like a resident’s lobby group to protest against a strip club.

M: I do have a housing shortage, this could solve two problems rather neatly. I feel so much more beautiful already, you know it’s not easy being the younger sister of a supermodel. All I heard growing up was ‘Syndey’s so beautiful, look at her beaches, and her harbour, wow that’s her opera house,’ and no-one ever said anything about me.

T&S: (Tears in eyes) Oh Melbourne we know you can be beautiful, now we are going to pop back later in the series and check how you are going with your transformation.

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    • Nathan says:

      06:54am | 13/05/10

      I moved to Melbourne from Brisbane 3 years ago. Even Brisbane’s main streets have more character than Swanston St. It’s a blight on the landscape, that’s for sure. I think we need to go back to functionality? What the hell is Swanston St. for? Seems like it’s primarily there to shoot trams up to Collins, Bourke et al. Then of course you have your delivery vans (stocking up those hideous souvenir shops), massive tour buses (clogging up the street like so much fat in an artery) and the cyclists in lycra (why do you need to wear a uniform if you ride a bike? The Dutch are way more into bikes than we are, but they don’t feel the need to wear fluorescent, skintight uniforms).

      Bulldoze the lot, right up to Franklin St., then start again. It’s a shame that new visitors to this otherwise beautiful city need to have this first impression.

    • Sherekahn says:

      09:44am | 13/05/10

      Nathan, you moved from Brisbane to Melbourne?  You must be either very promotion greedy or ambitious, so you get what you deserve!
      Just don’t pick up any of those sinister Melbournian traits if you’re ever thinking of returning here to Brisbane.

    • Mr. W says:

      10:13am | 13/05/10

      “Just don’t pick up any of those sinister Melbournian traits if you’re ever thinking of returning here to Brisbane.”

      And what might those traits be?

    • Tony says:

      10:46am | 13/05/10

      Speaking of “go back”: you can always go back to Brisbane… sorry, K-Fraud’s Brizzy.

    • Anne71 says:

      12:48pm | 13/05/10

      But on the other hand, Melbourne is enjoying a production of Waiting for Godot with Sir Ian McKellen, while here in Brisbane we’re getting *yawn* an encore performance of Mamma-bloody-Mia, which will no doubt “star” some former Home and Away actress or something. Sigh. :(

    • Matt says:

      05:27pm | 13/05/10

      Have you not seen that work on Swanston street will be beginning by the end of the year. Widening footpaths, raising tram stops, dedicated bike lanes, and more trees. Perhaps cafes will be more inclined to open up where there are no cars and crammed footpaths that don’t enable outdoor seating.

      But I must add, Melbourne is surrounded by parks. Walk 100 or so meters down St.Kilda road. There’s all the beauty anyone could need. Or even take a step off of Swanston street and you’ll realise that Melbourne is much more multi-faceted that just one street! The foundations were laid out by Mr Hoddle many many years ago, we have to work with what we have, and we do a darn good job of doing just that!

    • AJ says:

      01:26pm | 14/05/10

      OMG Anne71… Waiting for Godot is the most boring play I have ever seen (I saw it the 80’s)... but I digress…

      I’m a Queenslander who lived in Melbourne for 12 years and then moved back to Brissie. Brisbane’s nice, but I still miss Melbourne a lot smile

    • me my mo says:

      05:48pm | 14/05/10

      “And what might those traits be?” That obsession with all things AFL *shudders*

    • malheureuxmaus says:

      07:27am | 13/05/10

      ‘T&S: But dear you’ve got to give people a hint that there is something worth looking for. It’s time to bring the cafes out of their laneway hiding places and put them loud and proud right on your main street’

      Why would we want our laneway cafes moved onto the main streets? If Elise wants to live somewhere so sanitised then she can go to almost any other Australian city instead of ruining Melbourne.

    • AFR says:

      09:56am | 13/05/10

      Some people drink in laneways here in Sydney - we call them bums.

    • bella starkey says:

      10:59am | 13/05/10

      or teenagers

    • Michael says:

      03:13pm | 12/02/11

      This is why I hate minging sydney. Everything is in your face. Nothing hidden, nothing secret.

      Keem them in the lane ways thanks.

    • Gareth says:

      07:34am | 13/05/10

      As I Melbournian I sort of agree, the city is a bit of a dump. But there are plently of great spots just out of the city, carlton, albert park, st.kilda, richmond, sth yarra which take in famous streets such as lygon, chapel, acland, fitzroy and brunswick. In Sydney its the other way round, the city is pretty attractive but the rest of the place is a dump

    • LCD says:

      09:06am | 13/05/10

      As a Sydneysider now residing in Melbourne I guessing you haven’t spent much time in Sydney have you Gareth?....

      Perhaps you could try: Bondi, Manly, Paddington, Surry Hills, Cabramatta, Newtown, Glebe, Balmain….. just to name a few

      But I’m guessing you’re just one of those Melbournian’s that would rather just generalise without actually experiencing…..

    • J&T and B&H says:

      12:55pm | 13/05/10

      “but the rest of the place is a dump” - sweet, you can have your mexican streets, I’ll keep the northern beaches anyday

    • Jay says:

      02:27pm | 13/05/10

      I’m enjoying the irony of someone using generalisations to accuse someone of generalising.

      Like the majority of the Melbournite’s I know - I don’t see that there’s a better or worse city - just individual preferences. Having spent a fair amount of time in Sydney for work and holidays, I definitely prefer Melbourne.

    • Tom says:

      06:40pm | 13/05/10

      Sydney city is attractive? I will grant Martin Pl and the bits around Hyde Park and down near Circular Quay are alright, but George St and pretty much everything south of the QVB is a disgrace.

      Outside of the city, Vaucluse and Rose Bay are nice, as are parts of Mosman, and pretty much everywhere in the Pittwater local government area is stunning.

    • George says:

      09:10am | 14/05/10

      I agree LCD. I love Cabramatta. I hope the government turns it into more of a tourist attraction

    • stephen says:

      07:56am | 13/05/10

      Swantston street’s good for picking up yer post-modern/coital garb e.g. skin-tight black cotton with the purple hair-dye. Everything in Melbourne is, actually, so post everything.
      In about 1968 when i was about 11, mates ‘n i picked up our last guy faulkes crackers from a place called Trick-Trap Magic shop. It was the only interesting place in Melb. and when i went back there in 2001, it still was the only interesting place in that city.
      Melbourne does not know what it is : Euro or Aussie, and it’d better make up its mind.

      And who named it ‘Centre for the Moving Image ? (Wow, that’s not pretentious !)

    • Pete from the sunshine state...Victoria says:

      09:13am | 13/05/10

      2001? things have changed a tad since then Stephen…Drive down the Hume into melbourne now, it’s still the coolest drive in to any city in the country

    • JP says:

      12:08pm | 13/05/10

      Is LCD serious??? I have lived in Melb, Syd and Brisbane, Melbourne wins hands down, and by the way LCD these places Cabramatta, Newtown, Glebe, Balmain….. are complete dumps, the urban sprawl has enveloped them and made them more expensive and meant a few crappy cafe’s have popped up but Cabramatta?? are you kidding me??

    • Leah says:

      05:46pm | 13/05/10

      Stephen, the “Centre for the Moving Image” is a place at Federation Square.. It is not what we refer to Melbourne as..

      http://www.acmi.net.au/

    • Liz says:

      08:00am | 13/05/10

      Adelaide loves this stuf!!

    • stephen says:

      08:17am | 13/05/10

      Adelaide can guffaw but can’t boogie.

    • paul says:

      08:27am | 13/05/10

      Adelaide doesn’t care, actually.

    • Shifter says:

      09:42am | 13/05/10

      Adelaide is too boring to care

    • Bruce says:

      10:44am | 13/05/10

      Adelaide: The place you go to hide, when you want to get away from the rest of Australia.

    • paul says:

      01:15pm | 13/05/10

      Yes, it is.  Because the rest of Australia is a waste of space.  And now we’re back to Melbourne.

    • Muttley says:

      04:19pm | 13/05/10

      Rest of Australia a waste of space eh Paul?  Why dont you put down your banjo, put your teeth back in and take your medication.

    • Rob says:

      08:11am | 14/05/10

      Adelaide is a big version of Canberra and a small version of Melbourne.

    • Steph says:

      08:32am | 13/05/10

      Can someone please send this all to our Lord Mayor. He needs a reality check as to how the rest of the world actually views Melbourne.

    • Steph says:

      08:02am | 14/05/10

      Actually - I’m in England right now and every O.S person I have met who has been to Aus (who has actually spent time there - working etc) has told me they love Melbourne out of all the cities. I visit Sydney quite often but prefer Melbourne. The writer of this article does need to work on… well her writing skills. It wasn’t funny and she clearly doesn’t know Melbourne.

    • Horhty says:

      08:49am | 13/05/10

      ooooh, city wars: what an opiate.

    • emphatically unbiased opinion says:

      11:02am | 13/05/10

      Correction ,one is a global city with magnificent harbour,gorgeous beaches and coastline, the accolades are endless,generally regarded as the most beautiful city in the world,the other is Melbourne.

    • iansand says:

      11:07am | 13/05/10

      When did Adelaide get a harbour?

    • Shell Fish @ iansand says:

      01:31pm | 13/05/10

      Last week!

    • Pete from the sunshine state...Victoria says:

      09:08am | 13/05/10

      Oh, Adelaide cares alright

    • The Yarra says:

      09:09am | 13/05/10

      Melbourne is Eddie Mcguire and an open sewer,nuff said

    • Russ says:

      09:30am | 13/05/10

      The novelty behind Melbourne’s secret lane way cafes, is that they are hidden in lane ways. I’d like to see you expand on that proposal to justify it.

      Do you really believe ‘its nearly without colour’ is a strong argument against Fed Square? Maybe you could take over from ’ those clever Melbourne designers’ who obviously have no idea, and spruce it up a little. I hear there’s a Backyard Blitz special this week focusing on landscaping urban areas without devaluing the architectural integrity of them.

      Swanston St is disgusting, but CBD’s in general are disgusting places. Melbourne’s value lies in the hidden gems of the CBD.

      I moved from Syd to melbourne a year and a half ago and I don’t think Melbourne is up itself. I see media reports all the time ‘bragging about her coffee, her restaurants, her laneways and festivals’. But like this article they are just media reports and I rarely hear residents bringing up any of these topics.

      As Gareth said, in comparison Sydney is spoilt with its natural beauty and some now ancient architectural feats, but much of the rest of the city remains quite bland and poorly utilized.

    • iansand says:

      11:06am | 13/05/10

      You could make Swanston St narrower and turn it into a laneway.

      Next problem!!!

    • Amber says:

      09:34am | 13/05/10

      Love it! But Elise, surely you know this sort of thing would cause backlash from the locals, as it’s widespread knowledge that Melbournians are the worst in the world for taking any kind of criticism about their great city, and they’re as self-centred and egotistical as Americans. Oooh - too far?

    • Mr. W says:

      11:55am | 13/05/10

      What you describe is what you will find in any city in Australia.

      How dare anyone criticise where an Aussie lives?

    • Gone fishing says:

      09:58am | 13/05/10

      Well that was disappointing! No no not the article, i quite enjoyed that. Its the comments…  I expected a whole heap of Melbournians (Mexicans) to be up in arms and telling Elise that the world revolves around Melbourne and how dare she have a dig at the rorting.. sorry i mean sporting capital of Australia!

      Come on Melbourne! If you had any idea what the rest of Australia thought of you, you would oblige us with the reactions we seek. What is the world coming to when u cant even get a reaction out of a Melbournian…

    • Eddie McCrown of beautiful Broady says:

      10:40am | 13/05/10

      Too busy enjoying this beautiful state…keep fishing, wherever you are

    • Alex says:

      11:12am | 13/05/10

      Since Qld is “the deep north”  a la the hillbilly Deep South , Victoria can’t be “Mexico” - everything is opposite below the equator.  Therefore Victoria would be ” Canada”, NSW would be the “USA” and PNG would be “Mexico”.

    • Peter says:

      11:29am | 13/05/10

      Funny how people call us Mexican’s even though we have more visitors from Sydney and Brisbane than the other way around….

      You didn’t tell us what the rest of Australia thinks of us?

    • Ring says:

      04:12pm | 13/05/10

      Peter, the people visiting Melbourne from Brisbane are Victorians who moved to QLD going down there to visit their poor rellies who can’t afford to move.

    • Where's Melbourne? says:

      04:35pm | 13/05/10

      @Peter - its amazing what you can make up when you need to, Australians visit Melbourne when they have to visit the relatives, went last month and the flight was full of unhappy obliged relatives.  Check the stats more Victorians visit QLD than the other way round, and who can blame them Seinfeld was right Melbourne is the @r$e of Oz.

    • K. Rudd says:

      05:39pm | 13/05/10

      Alex. Obviously you’ve never been to Alabama

    • Peter says:

      07:23pm | 13/05/10

      @ Where’s Melbourne.. We are talking about Melbourne v Sydney, not state vs state. Ive been to the Gold Coast 5 times, but i have never visited Brisbane. We are talking about cities.. What stats have you been looking at that tells you people visiting Melbourne are suffering relatives?

    • 123 says:

      06:43pm | 14/05/10

      “Funny how people call us Mexican’s even though we have more visitors from Sydney and Brisbane than the other way around….”

      Yeah. The Mexican reference is all about “visiting”....

    • Tim Collins says:

      10:55am | 13/05/10

      Here in Asia there is an ad on Oz TV for Melbourne with John Brumby as the narrator. Early on he says “In the last 18 months (very specific sample), Melbourne has become the no.1 overnight destination for Australians travelling from interstate…...and this includes SYDNEY”.

      Hey Brumbs, why don’t you and your fellow Melburnians go and get one of those big MCG cranes to lift that giant chip off your shoulder about Sydney. You can take the GP, have the tennis and a few horse races in November but Port Philip Bay is no Sydney Harbour. When people realise you are from Australia, they save I love Sydney, not Melbourne.

    • Bob Higgs says:

      04:50pm | 13/05/10

      Notice that Melbourne is the no. 1 overnight destination - 1 night is all it takes to have enough of the place and then move on.

    • gusgouldisafool says:

      07:18am | 14/05/10

      I agree, great place to visit for a night then you realise how much better your home is, or any other place but Melbourne.

      Good people but not so bright and lets face it, customer service in Melbourne is nonexistant.

    • youarethefool says:

      08:28am | 14/05/10

      gusgouldisafool, customer service is nonexistant?? Been to Perth? That is nonexistant, and in more ways than just lazy, and utterly terrible customer service… Not to mention it being an absolute rip off for everything, I would expect Sydney to be similar, but with a night life…

    • sbr says:

      10:57am | 13/05/10

      Melbourne…. best thing to come out of Melbourne ?
      The Hume Highway.  (However Great Ocean Road is also a good choice to get out of Melbourne)

      Have travelled extensively, and it is one of the blandest, overrated cities Ive ever seen.

    • Dave says:

      12:29pm | 13/05/10

      You’re wrong. There are actually two good things to come out of Melbourne. The Hume Highway and the Carlton & United Brewery trucks that drive it.

      (Yeah, yeah, I know. I live in Canberra. Bring it on!)

    • Justin says:

      11:04am | 13/05/10

      Last time I was in Melbourne I didn’t see a single giant ball of wool.

      Seriously though, substitute any city name for Melbourne & the article would be just as valid. Chunks of Sydney are great, while other (large) parts are right out of a Tim Burton film. Same for Brisbane, Adelaide or Perth. Canberra is just Canberra….

      Hey Melbourne, stop beating yourself up.

    • Timbo says:

      11:06am | 13/05/10

      Articles like this confirm what we’ve suspected for a while now ;  Melbourne, we’ve got ‘em on the ropes.  This is Sydney, swinging like an overweight, punch drunk fighter in the 9th round, on its way down.  Sad to see.
      PS : Clover, how are the “Melbourne-style, hole-in-the-wall-bars” going luv ?

    • Steve M says:

      04:22pm | 13/05/10

      Keep dreaming Timbo

    • Mark says:

      04:13am | 14/05/10

      Why is it that as soon as someone critiques Melbourne, the immediate response is to attack Sydney? Does Sydney have something to do with Melbourne? Grow up Melbourne and then people will start to take you seriously. If you want to be regarded as worthwhile in your own right, stop redirecting the dialogue back to Sydney all the time, you are fighting your own case. (I know that the article mentioned Sydney in the last paragraph, but only because the blogger was commenting on the same issue as I am).

    • Shane From Melbourne says:

      11:09am | 13/05/10

      First rate job, Elise. We WANT you to bag the hell out of Melbourne to deter Sydneysiders, Adelaiders and Queenslanders from coming here. Let’s keep the good stuff to ourselves, shall we…...

    • vic says:

      11:24am | 13/05/10

      Melbourne is recognised as a hole to everyone but Victorians and they know it. That’s why they get so precious whenever anyone calls them on it.
      Sydney is, was and always will be number one. Deal with it.

    • Ryan says:

      11:25am | 13/05/10

      Sounds like someone’s a bit jealous. Let’s face it: Melbourne is Australia’s best city…by a long way!  I’m living in Brisbane right now and compared to Melbourne it has absoloutley nothing to offer. People from all over Brisbane are holidaying to Melbourne - they all come back amazed at how good it is and feel ripped off living in a city like Brisbane. The only people who don’t like Melbourne are those who are jealous of it’s superiority. Brisbane and Sydney have a lot to learn, not to mention the other boring cities around Australia. Melbourne really sets the benchmark for Australia. All other cities have A LOT of catching up to do…

    • Dave says:

      12:32pm | 13/05/10

      Dude, you really do have to get off those drugs. Not good for ya!

    • Ems says:

      01:30pm | 13/05/10

      Ahhh no Ryan.  Not everyone from Brisbane wants to move to Melbourne.  A lot of people agree that Melbourne is great for a visit but MANY Queenslanders including those from Brisbane prefer to LIVE here…  And I am so over this rivalry with Sydney.  Personally, I prefer Melbourne for a holiday over Sydney but the thing is Sydney is the main attraction to international visitors and will be for a long time to come.  The reason Melbourne are so touchy about it is that they know this but don’t believe it should be this way and have developed this rivalry that seems to border on hatred. Whereas Brisbane does not really mind being 3rd or 4th or whatever we might be.  We just like living here…  Ryan, “People from all over Brisbane” are happy for you to move down to Melbourne if you love it so much.

    • Carl Williams says:

      03:43pm | 13/05/10

      Typical arrogant melbourne attitude. Please see a doctor and get some medication for your delusions

    • Peter says:

      07:30pm | 13/05/10

      When did you get out Carl?... never thought we’d see you again..

    • Ben says:

      11:31am | 13/05/10

      Born and bred in Melbourne and I couldn’t agree more. The CBD generally looks like a dump. Swanston Street is a gutter. Fed Square just feels an uncomfortable place to be.  I’m very tired of being told about the “vibrant laneway culture”, there’s about 3 of them that aren’t full of rubbish bins and the smell of stale urine. I’m sick of our premier and lord mayor making snide remarks about other cities, they really should only worry about our own backyard. Most of all I am over the Sydney V Melbourne rivalry, I don’t think people from either city really give a hoot about the other. Queenslanders however have serious inferiority complex issues with regard to the two southern cities. Adelaide is cool, Perth is OK but too far away and as for Hobart, never been there so can’t comment.

    • Tim says:

      11:38am | 13/05/10

      Hobart? Who has been there? haha

    • bella starkey says:

      11:31am | 13/05/10

      Last time i was in melbourne i got really sick and had to go to hospital when i got home. I blame melbourne entirely for this.

    • Peter says:

      11:31am | 13/05/10

      Funny how Federation Square was built to replace an old eye sore. Now we’ve got a new eye sore…

    • Steve says:

      11:35am | 13/05/10

      Haha, the funny thing about all this is that all the other cities have some sort of inferiority complex about Melbourne, while Melbournians pay absoloutly no attention to it. We know we have a far superior city so we don’t bother with meaningless debate. It’s like when you go to New Zealand and they all have an inferiority complex about Australia, but here no one really pays any attention to it cos we know we’re the superior country.
      Don’t worry the other Australian cities might develop some culture…one day.

    • Stacey says:

      03:03pm | 13/05/10

      Nope. Nobody actually cares about Melbourne. You guys have just been having this one sided debate with yourselves for so long that you’ve started to believe your own PR. Nobody outside Melbourne ever thinks of Melbourne. Lose the chip on your shoulder.

    • OJ says:

      03:29pm | 13/05/10

      Stacey - yep, that’s right, no-one ever thinks of Melbourne. Unless, of course, you ever think of football, the Australian Open tennis, the Australian GP, the Comedy Festival, the Food Festival, the Film Festival, any decent music, food or art etc etc.

    • bernig80 says:

      03:43pm | 13/05/10

      @Stacey, sounds like a lot of people think a lot about Melbourne, good or bad - how do I know this? You bothered to comment, yes?

    • Muttley says:

      04:25pm | 13/05/10

      you’re right bernig80. We who live in the good parts of the country will always flock to this kind of thing to knock the chip of the Mexicans shoulders. But dont confuse that with any kind of inferiority complex. We just enjoy putting crap on you poor misguided southerners.

    • macca-d says:

      11:36am | 13/05/10

      Melbourne is ALMOST as good as it thinks it is.  Last year I went there for a couple of days…..saw the Flaming Lips, went to the Salvador Dali exhibit, and had dinner at Guilliams.  But the winner for me was that they sell Coopers in all the pubs now.

    • James says:

      11:47am | 13/05/10

      If Melbourne is the world’s most livable city, that is a real worry.  Sure it craps all over Sydney (that goes without saying), but there is massive room for improvement.  I think the real arguement should be in absolute terms not relative terms i.e.  Not, we are a better festering hole than the festering hole that is Sydney.

    • Peter says:

      12:16pm | 13/05/10

      I’ve seen some holes in my life and they have mostly been overseas.. Despite the crap re Sydney vs. Melbourne war, the fact is we both live in 2 great cities.. Melbourne is great because of it’s sporting culture and events and a lovely place to live, and Sydney is just a great city even without major events.. I have a F1 GP I would gladly give to Sydney if they wanted it, Jeez, if i were in power i’d even pay Sydney to take it and then you can be inconvenienced for three months of the year..

    • James says:

      02:22pm | 13/05/10

      My point is that if we engage in relativism then we never really move forward.  Australian cities are good as far as current cities go, but unfortunately that ain’t very far.  Most cities suffer from common idiocy in design driven by people wanting to squeeze every last, short-term dollar out of a given patch of ground. 

      As sure as night follows day cities hit a peak in “goodness”, the wealthy and powerful secure all the best bits of the city for themselves and the the city, as a whole, declines.

    • Peter says:

      07:28pm | 13/05/10

      Not disagreeing with you James. As far as beauty goes, ive never seen cities as beautiful and London and Amsterdam.. We could learn from them.. Sydney is a beautiful place, but Melbourne is a great place to live.. We haven’t got much to complain about other than this silly rivalry..

    • Chris says:

      11:53am | 13/05/10

      Ironic…the writer of this article loves Melbourne! I’ve read other peices by this journalist bagging out Sydney (where she used to live but preferred Melbourne so moved there where she now permanently resides).
      This article was purely written to insight the debate you see in these comments….

    • HLT says:

      11:55am | 13/05/10

      I was born in Melbourne, lived in Canberra most of my life and recently moved to Sydney.  It is pathetic yet funny how these two cities whinge and moan about one another and love to get their teeth in when they can.  Get over it.

    • shabangabang says:

      12:05pm | 13/05/10

      The next person to compare Melbourne to a European gets a wedgie. No European city sprawls as much as Melbourne. No European city relies as much on the car as Melbourne.
      Swanston St is just a real life Frogger game. Dodging trams, taxi’s and kamikaze cyclists hurl down towards Flinders St.
      Blue stone gutters look nice, but as the storms earlier this year showed, they are hugely inadequate.
      Footscray station is an enlarged version of the Kings Cross needle exchange.
      Broadmeadows and Frankston have 1 full set of teeth between them.
      Only good thing I find about Melbourne; the coffee. They make it at the right temperature. Too hot up here in Sydney.

    • Actually been to Europe says:

      03:50pm | 13/05/10

      I wonder just how many European cities you have been to? London and Birmingham in the UK are huge, as are Paris, Rome, etc.
      London has almost three times the population of Melbourne, so are you suggesting they are crammed into a smaller area? London’s not even on the coast, so it sprawls in ALL directions.
      Parisian traffic is truly something else. Just because these cities have an underground network, doesn’t mean there aren’t thousands and thousands of cars there!

      Melbourne is great for a low-key sort of visit, Sydney is better if you want to behave like a rockstar, but for me, Perth has a better quality of life than both.

    • GB says:

      12:06pm | 13/05/10

      When are people going to get sick of bashing either Melbourne or Sydney? It is BORING and most people who live in either city simply don’t care and recognise that both cities have pleasant and unpleasant aspects to them.

    • Dtrain says:

      12:16pm | 13/05/10

      It is a joke comparing Melbourne to Sydney.  Sydney may be more beautiful than Melbourne but that’s were it stops.  The state of NSW is in a state of collapse,  the city’s transportation system rivals that of a third world country, it has absolutely no sporting culture whatsoever ad its fashion is constantly left wanting.  Sydney has changed its bar licensing to mimic that of Melbournes (which will establish a scene of small bars).  Not to mention greater western Sydney which has 2 million people which the rest of the city simply pretends doesn’t exist!
      For a sport lover - living in Sydney is hell!

    • Miles says:

      12:17pm | 13/05/10

      Bocci and Vino nights? Seriously…

    • Greek Snake says:

      12:28pm | 13/05/10

      Love the bitter Sydney-siders coming here to have a stab at Melbourne. You won’t ever have what we have. Your city is a harbor and not much else. Take that harbor out and you have a bunch of one way, poorly constructed streets, a part time airport and the worst infrastructure ever for a city that size.

      Melbourne consistently rates higher on every “standard of living” survey and as far as sport goes I don’t think we are even in the same league.

      I guess Sydney has a pathetic labor government to blame for the current state of the place, and in that regard Melbourne is fast approaching them.

    • iansand says:

      01:17pm | 13/05/10

      Melbourne always rates highly on surveys about “liveable cities”.  “Livable sound like tracky daks and ugh boots to me.  Really comfortable but you wouldn’t wear them past your front door.

    • Peter says:

      03:08pm | 13/05/10

      aah true iansand.. Melbourne is like one of those guilty pleasures we all don’t talk about… Love melbourne and comfortable pair of tracky daks i can wear behind closed doors…

    • Greek Snake says:

      03:16pm | 13/05/10

      @iansand: Maybe in Sydney Livable means trackies and ugh boots but on a global scale it tends to mean something different.

      The world’s most livable cities is an informal name given to any list of cities as they rank on a reputable annual survey of living conditions. Two examples are the Mercer Quality of Living Survey and The Economist’s World’s Most Livable Cities (using data from Mercer as well). The list does not necessarily include factors such as entertainment.

      Melbourne has been ranked as one of the top three World’s Most Livable Cities by the Economist Group’s Intelligence Unit (since 2002), top 10 Global University Cities by RMIT’s Global University Cities Index (since 2006) and top 20 Global Innovation Cities by the 2thinknow® Global Innovation Agency (since 2007). The metropolis is also home to the world’s largest tram network.

      Livable might mean squat to you, but apparently the world thinks different.

    • iansand says:

      03:52pm | 13/05/10

      The first rule of jokes about Melbourne is that you can’t make jokes about Melbourne.

    • Tom says:

      06:54pm | 13/05/10

      But Sydney beat Melbourne in the Mercer rankings of quality of living last year. (http://www.mercer.com/referencecontent.htm?idContent=1307990).

      In the Economist survey, it ranked 7th to Melbourne’s 3rd, and 13th to Melbourne’s 9th in the Monocle review. Pretty close either way.

    • Rocco says:

      12:29pm | 13/05/10

      All of Australia’s capital cities are crap - just go to Europe and have a look at some real cities with a pulse, not dumps. I hate both Sydney and Melbourne

    • Muttley says:

      04:28pm | 13/05/10

      then why not pack your bag and head off to the airport Rocco? If they are so great, whats holding you here?

    • MC says:

      12:31pm | 13/05/10

      Jealousy is a curse - if you all hate Melbourne so much - stay away - you’ll do us all a favour by not crowding the great shops, laneways, cafe’s, parks & gardens. Not to mention blocking the roads because you don’t know how to drive… Stay in the holes you already occupy and leave us to bask in the Holy Land.

    • Karyn says:

      12:37pm | 13/05/10

      I don’t think any Melbournian cares about what is on street level.  We don’t spend any time there anyway.  Melbourne is all about tucked away lanes, secret basements, and garden rooftops.  When you are sitting several stories up on a deck, or on a couch in front of an open fire in a basement, who cares what is happening on the street?

      So stop whining about Fed Sq and just go up to Transit bar and check out the view of the city and the river while enjoying a drink and some great music.  Or upstairs at Cookie/The Lounge/Rooftop/Toff in Town on Swanston St.  Or The Deck on King St.  If you are hanging around on Swanston/King/Fed Sq at ground level you are missing out completely on the “real” Melbourne.  We don’t need cafes out on Swanston St so Melbourne can look like every other city in the world - we have hundreds of cafes just a minute’s walk away in the arcades and lanes and little streets.

      Stop judging the city by what you see - its what you can’t see that makes it special.

    • Macca says:

      12:45pm | 13/05/10

      Oh my God, give it a break, I was born and breed in Sydney, moved to Melbourne 10 years ago. Both the cities are great and so different, I will never understand why we have to have a competition who is better.

    • Jenk says:

      12:46pm | 13/05/10

      I havent been to Melboune since I was too young to remember.  So thanks to the media here is the list of things I relate Melbourne to;-  Carl Williams, St Kilda, Roberta Williams, Aussie Rules, Mick Gatto, Flinders Lane, Bert Newton, Tasmanian Spirit (the ship), rain/cold weather, the Moran family, Melbourne Comedy Festival, 7pm Project and the Melbourne Storm. when I go to Sydney I look forward to the Harbour and Bridge, the Northern Beaches and a cruise along the Parramatta River.  I live in Newcastle so it would interesting to read Melbournians perception of our city?!

    • Stu says:

      01:43pm | 13/05/10

      I hate to be harsh but Melbournians are hardly aware of Newcastle’s existance. Who cares though? If you’re all happy there, what difference does it make?

    • bernig80 says:

      04:09pm | 13/05/10

      The free writer’s festival, great beaches, not too hot on the pubs, Newcastle Knights, Mining, Docks. Love going a little further north to Port Stephens where again, beaches are awesome. Oh, and the bar in the departure lounge at the airport - free range booze as you watch the hornets take off and watch your plane land, be refueled and prepared just for you! My favourite holiday destination, Newcastle grin Oh, and teh weather of course!

    • Thanks Newcastle says:

      05:18pm | 13/05/10

      @Stu - may be you should know and appreciate places like Newcastle, if it were not for these places, Melbourne would have to close down as it is just a counting house. The big holes in the ground are what keeps this country going, I think you need to apologise

    • abbie says:

      05:19pm | 13/05/10

      yup, we’ve all heard of poocastle!!

    • Who really gives a stuff says:

      12:53pm | 13/05/10

      Melbourne has the F1 GP, Sydney has Queens walking down the street, enough said smile smile

    • jaime says:

      01:29pm | 13/05/10

      Melbourne, the place for Kings and Queens. Sydney:just for queens.Sorry Sydney, you got nothing on us!

    • Kate says:

      01:44pm | 13/05/10

      I love how Melbourne and Sydney residents always compete over which city is better. (I’m a Melburnian.)
      I reckon we’re pretty lucky to live in either one of them, because it means you don’t live in the cesspool of boredom that is Canberra.
      Sydney is OK I suppose, and Brisbane is quite nice). But I’d never live in either of those cities because they don’t appreciate proper footy. It doesn’t matter how beautiful the city is, or how nice the architecture - stick me in a place where rugby is favoured over AFL and I wouldn’t last ten days.

    • Peter says:

      09:36pm | 13/05/10

      Hear hear!! I used to go to Sydney a lot when you’d never see AFL on the six o’clock news (and visa versa) and it was weird.. The news has changed but the people haven’t….

    • both suck, gimme a beach & beer says:

      01:47pm | 13/05/10

      I’m in Melbourne right now (for the last 5 years)!! It’s freezing!!!! and on another point If I ever ask a question about what to do here or why the roads and trains get worse every bloody year (they suck!!!), then every Melbournian will without fail say at least its better then sydney….....???? I go back to sydney all the time and its so refreshing. but to tell you the truth they both suck. I want a beach (proper beach with waves), sun (no clouds) , sand (not rocky), warm water and a beer, mmmmm (sorta like sydney shhhhhh!)

    • Max Power says:

      02:10pm | 13/05/10

      I moved to Melbourne 3 years ago from Brisbane, and have also spent a fair bit of time in Sydney, and can honestly say that I’m glad I’ve never met any of you in my travels. Here’s a legitimate account of the downsides of each city: Brisbane - not enough Queenslanders; Sydney - too many New South Welshman and not enough Queenslanders; Melbourne - too many Victorians and again, not enough Queenslanders. The knob who said more Queenslanders head to Melbourne each year than vice versa is on some pretty sweet crack. Check out Noosa you junky - it’s fully sick bro. Ultimately, Sydney and Melbourne are entangled in a p*nis measuring competition of biblical proportions. Personally, I think mine’s bigger. Bieber Fever…OUT!

    • ~Rumpleteazer~ says:

      02:55pm | 13/05/10

      Noosa is full of old Melbournians. Has been since the boom of the late 70’s.
      I was one who escaped the cold winds of Melbourne. Never regretted it.
      The best view of Melbourne is in your rear view mirror!
      The best thing that ever came out of Melbourne is the Hume Highway.
      But hey, don’t come up ‘cos we’re full!!!

    • Jason c says:

      03:06pm | 13/05/10

      Sounds like someones a bit jealous….go on, tell us about Sydney’s ‘surf culture’ again…

    • Mickey says:

      04:31pm | 13/05/10

      no need. We live in the better city and have no need to convince Mexicans how good it is. We dont want you lot moving up here!

    • Jonathan says:

      03:26pm | 13/05/10

      If you want a truly vibrant city, move to Berlin.  Melbourne has absolutely nothing to offer in comparison.  except of course for the self righteous sense of pride that seems to dominate most of its occupants.  Go to hell victoria, your faux culture is nauseating.

    • Dan says:

      11:38pm | 13/05/10

      What did we ever do to you to make you so resentful?!

    • Jason says:

      03:40pm | 13/05/10

      When will people get over it and stop comparing the two. I’m born and bred Sydney and prefer Melbourne over Sydney, but both cities have their bad spots. Walk a block away from the harbour and what do you have in Sydney? George St, clogged up and polluted by buses (and cars), t-shirt and crappy souvenir shops, massive beer barns (Establishment and Ivy), the dodgy cinema strip where you have to watch your back…..I’d say George St and Swanston St are both pretty similar, ugly arteries that serve their purpose. At least Swanston St has some decent cheap eats and a few cool bars.

    • Paul Chapman says:

      03:41pm | 13/05/10

      Ok, I mmay not be 100% sure however I feel I have some qualifications in this discussion. Firstly I come from Melbourne. No, do not live there any more but that is not a reflection of the old lady herself. I have to date lived in Melbourne. Sydney, Perth, Canberra and Nth Queensland, (could never bring myself to settle in Brissy) If i had to compare and rate nay of those destinations I would hand it all to Perth. Sydney is Underbelly moved to George Street. Cnaberra is a hoons paradise, Melbourne has a lot more than Sydney but Perth leaves them all for dead. It is clean, bright and fresh. try them all some time and then comment. Oh and Canberra is far too cold for most to go out at night.

    • Middle-aged-grump says:

      04:00pm | 13/05/10

      I have lived in Melbourne. The only thing that drives me batty is the religious devotions to AFL. Whatever venue your are at, whatever time of year it is, the conversation invariable turns to AFL within 20 minutes. For god sake, it is only a game. Melbourians, get a life !

    • AFL this AFL that AFL there AFL here says:

      05:06pm | 13/05/10

      Only 20 minutes? - you must have mixed with the elites.  More like 2 minutes

    • Nathaniel says:

      04:10pm | 13/05/10

      Yo everyone: Don’t judge a book by it’s cover.

      I’m from Newcastle, but think Melbourne rules.

    • Alex says:

      04:10pm | 13/05/10

      Still to this day do not understand why people are so one sided and put so much energy into bad mouthing the other city. Have lived in Brisbane, Sydney and Melbourne and love them all for different reasons. Its cool to be proud of your city but dont get so bloody upset when someone else doesnt. Its called personal choice.

    • Erin says:

      04:27pm | 13/05/10

      Let me first identify that I am a Sydneysider.  I have never lived in another city for longer than 3 weeks. 

      To be frank, My dislike of Melbourne comes from the fact that I have always been told by the media that Melbournians hate us for some unknown reason, and think they are better than us in every way.  Having not known it was a competition, I decided to pity the poor losers who waste their time comparing themselves to a completely different city, and mock their pathetic attempts to try and impress the other cities around the world by appearing cultured and sophisticated.

      But from reading this - It seems a lot of Melbournians are saying that they don’t give a toss - the same way I don’t.  Is it possible that it is just the media who have invented this rivalry? Is it possible that they’ve been lying to me all these years, to bring to life some kind of fictional opposition?  Is it possible that you aren’t all self obsessed smug latte drinkers who spend your days laughing at your cousins to the north? Could you be… just like us?

      Are we witnessing the falling of the wall here?  Wow.  Shame its a digital wall, otherwise I could totally sell a piece of it on E Bay.

    • iansand says:

      04:53pm | 13/05/10

      Read it again.  The folk from Melbourne are the ones treating the whole thing seriously.

    • Lauren says:

      04:28pm | 13/05/10

      It’s a city - aren’t all cities rank and grotty?

      I’m a biased Melburnian, and was honestly disappointed the first time I went to Sydney. I kind of thought all cities were like Melbourne in my teens. (Bondi was awesome though, not having to drive over an hour for a decent beach!)

      My favourite city is London, and I’m sure people who haven’t even been there can tell you 10 things off the top of their head what’s wrong with it.

    • Rich says:

      04:29pm | 13/05/10

      The fact that this article is written shows that some Sydney people might be a bit self-conscious and realize their city is haemorrhaging. A bit thick slagging off Swanston St - what does Miranda D think of George St? You might remember her article from a few weeks back. Melbourne is a lovely city - yes, it has it’s roughspots but is on the improve all the time, not decaying into a second-world backwater like Sydney. But I agree - Australia has no great world cities - Berlin, London, Hong Kong, New York, Tokyo - all have the mixture of old and new and dynamism that our cities lack.

    • Tony says:

      04:31pm | 13/05/10

      I am so jealous of Melbourne… I really wish I could live in a city where there was interesting architecture, fancy restaurants and nightclubs, theatre and art galleries… alas…

      * sarcasm *

    • Mr Pastry says:

      05:02pm | 13/05/10

      Don’t be so cruel, the good folk of Melbourne are happy with their
      lot and we should leave them alone to their European fantasy.  Love is blind and if they see beauty in an cold, isolated, blandly gridded and dated city then I respect their infatuation .  It is unkind to point at fools, especially suffering in that cold climate with only AFL conversation to unite them.  We should be thankful that they are content as this keeps the more appealing parts of Australia a little less crowded.

    • Emma says:

      05:16pm | 13/05/10

      Melb CBD is for the tourists, the real Melbourne is hidden for the exclusive pleasure of locals and that is just how we like it.

    • as long as its not canberra says:

      05:39pm | 13/05/10

      I grew up in Melb, loved it as a kid and love going there to visit mates. I lived in Canberra for many years and moved to Sydney a few years ago, and love it, yet would happily live in either one. Try living somewhere as dull as Canberra tho and you would appreciate living almost anywhere

    • david p says:

      06:03pm | 13/05/10

      People taking such pride in any city(basically a bunch of people they mostly don’t know and inanimate concrete and glass built by people they don’t know) has to be one of the silliest concepts around.

      Every city no matter how great you think it is also contains serial killers rapists child molesters violent drunks ect ect are you all going to claim them with pride as well?

    • Simon the Pieman says:

      08:47pm | 13/05/10

      @david - wisest comment so far.  Dumb people appear to need flags to march behind, even if it is a load of urban infrastructure.  A similar ridiculousness is, qualities that an individual has shown, being accredited to a country, but again ignoring the serial killers, freaks. fraudsters, thieves, murderers and politicians.

    • Daniel says:

      07:01pm | 13/05/10

      Why are you attacking Melbourne for? Have you been into the centre of Sydney City lately in amongst the homeless, the vomit on the streets and the binge drinking.Id take Melbourne any day.

    • sam says:

      07:15pm | 13/05/10

      Elise Kinsella if you don’t like Melbourne then get the frock out

    • Anoymous says:

      07:59pm | 13/05/10

      Mercer’s Quality of Living Survey 2009
      City Country Rating
      1 Vienna Austria 108.6
      2 Zurich Switzerland 108
      3 Geneva Switzerland 107.9
      4 Vancouver Canada 107.4
      Auckland New Zealand 107.4
      6 Dusseldorf Germany 107.2
      7 Munich Germany 107
      8 Frankfurt Germany 106.8
      9 Bern Switzerland 106.5
      10 Sydney Australia 106.3


      Where is Melbourne?

    • sarah says:

      08:11pm | 13/05/10

      Iam from Brisbane and now living in Melbourne and can say that every single person I talk to back home tells me how much they love Melbourne .. and I personally think Melbourne has so much more than brissy

    • Adam H says:

      09:53pm | 13/05/10

      Are you kidding me?
      Sydney? Where everything’s rainbows and lollipops as long as it doesn’t rain? Brisbane? The Eeyore of Australia. No need to hurry. No one will notice if it does or doesn’t.
      King Street? It’s never been pretty and that’s it’s charm.
      Fed Square? Call it ugly. We love it and you do too. You just don’t want to admit it. If everyone hates it so much then why does everyone talk about it?
      Swanston Street? Sure it needs a clean up. Little Bourke Street, sure it needs some sort of bleach to remove the build up of bin juice over the years.
      Violence? Same as any other city. Melbourne’s just a little bit more in fashion that’s all (was going to make a joke about it being in defence of those that bag us, but I won’t)
      T&S? The out of touch two-some that look like the number 10 when they walk side by side? I’d rather get my fashion tips from Betty Beryl and her Big Bag of Fashion House Fun

    • Jarrod says:

      11:00pm | 13/05/10

      Bring our cafe’s and laneways out into the open so we can be “seen” to be there, rather than actually appreciating the place for what it is?  That sounds like Sydney speak!

    • Jayszun Vanderwerff says:

      12:40am | 14/05/10

      There are brothels on King Street? Where?

    • Mark Fullwood says:

      01:09am | 14/05/10

      I’m 50 years old, seen a bit of the world—and I love BOTH Melbourne and Sydney. I was born and bred in Melbourne, but I’ve been visiting friends and relatives in Sydney, sinnce I was 12. I lived in Sydney recently for 6 months and “both suck, gimme a beach & beer”, you’ve got to be kidding if you say Sydney winters aren’t cold. I lived in Clovelly, getting up at 5 am each day—let me tell you, it was just as cold as Melbourne. Why can’t we just be proud AUSTRALIANS and forget all this inter-city,interstate point scoring ? I love bits of Hobart, Darwin, Perth, Brisbane, Sydney, Canberra etc etc. Isn’t Australia (from coast to coast) all about difference and diversity ?. Wouldn’t it be a boring island if it wasn’t ?

    • Gavin says:

      07:33am | 14/05/10

      As a person who has lived in Sydney and Melbourne(but born and bred in sydney) , City wise Melbourne wins hands down, but the Eastern and Northern beaches of Sydney to Live is better than any place in Melbourne, Elwood comes close but thats it , Sydney is more aggressive and rude , im sure Melbourne has more bogans but then again I did live in Pakenham for a bit so maybe thats what ruined it for me? Brisbane and Adelaide are great country towns if you like that sort of thing

    • Gavin says:

      08:13am | 14/05/10

      If you want to be a bit of both cities (Melbourne and Sydney) but a bit smaller , cleaner and friendlier but dont care too much about weather or money or Pretentiousness move to Auckland , its a great city , sure its not as hip and as expensive as Sydney or Melbourne but its a great alternative.Of course you have to put up with Kiwis but hey its worth it smile

    • Hugh says:

      08:40am | 14/05/10

      I wonder what the original brief to the Architects would have been for Melbourne.
      Bold, masculine and impersonal.
      or
      Grey, yes lets make it grey.
      or
      Let your junior partners have a go and let their ideas run free.

      I think parts of Melbourne metro are great looking but others seem to be built as statements or wild ideas that have missed the mark somehow.

    • Bitten says:

      08:57am | 14/05/10

      Jeez, squabbling infants much? This entire country is great, enjoy it all.

    • sam says:

      12:30pm | 14/05/10

      the one thing Sydney can’t get over is the fact that Melbourne was the first capital of Australia

    • Saskia says:

      10:37pm | 14/05/10

      Geez its not much of a city but the locals seem to rate it.  Its an actual psychological condition where people need to convince themselves that something is good to balance their internal locus. 

      The 2 cities in Australia with it the most are Melbourne and the Gold Coast.  Both very ordinary places but the locals TELL you non stop how good it is.  Perthites are getting like this too.  The insane real estate prices vs the average isolated city have caused the locals to want to believe their city is ‘brilliant’ to justify the mortgaged to hell lifestyle.

      I would say that Melbournians are the worst in the world. 

      Being a great city is like being a lady - if you have to tell people you are you’re not.

    • Ka says:

      01:46am | 17/05/10

      OMG.
      Both cities are awesome, in their own way of course (for the record, I’m Melburnian). Sure Sydney is suffering from the lack of a decade’s worth of planning foresight currently. But surely, it is just as alive with human activity and endeavour as Melbourne is. And to me, this is what makes a city. The people, the conversations, the stories and the interactions between each other, shaped by our environment, our history and our current circumstances. Not just how fast we can get from A to B, or how how many things can we do during the month of May.
      And for the beauty contest bit, just as Melbourne has the most serene parks and gardens, Sydney has her beautiful beaches and coves.
      I reckon the parochial but passionate debate on which capital city is “better” is a healthy sign that both cities are great. I love Australia.
      p.s. public transport in BOTH cities need to cater for the reality of our urban sprawl. NOW. Please pass that on to your respective MPs.

    • Robert Duplock says:

      08:49pm | 06/06/10

      Yes, you keep telling yourself Brisbane doesn’t pale in comparison to Melbourne (I was born and raised in Brisbane, incidentally.)

    • Sarane Sandhu says:

      11:09pm | 02/05/11

      Everyone knows Brisbane is a great city! The main problem with Melbourne is that it’s so snooty and expensive. I love the shopping malls, big houses and all that comes with Brisbane!

    • Pharmk270 says:

      03:56pm | 06/05/11

      Hello! eddgcdd interesting eddgcdd site!

    • Paula Pelletier says:

      05:56pm | 18/07/11

      Melbourne is the BEST CITY IN AUSTRALIA *HELLO* We’re the SPORTING & FASHION CAPITAL of Australia!!!!!
      WE have so much Culture, History ETC ETC Well, EVERYTHING!!!
      I’ve been to QLD & lived there 10 years & SOOOOO BORING!!!!!!!!!! ok great weather & beaches, but unfortunately that’s it!!! Very Back ward!!!!
      NSW can’t compare to Melbourne, you have the iconic Opera House & Bridge *Snoozies* smile

    • Robert Paddington says:

      11:05pm | 11/09/11

      We all know you may as well move to Sydney. Forget the other two… erm, are there more then two? raspberry

 

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