Nauru has the greatest airline in the world. It’s called Our Airline. The leased-from-Taiwan 737-300 looks a little dated, not having those upturned wing tips which denote a modern plane, but the smiles of the Nauruan flight attendants are warm and welcoming.

Welcome to Nauru. Photo: Rob MacColl

There are plenty of spare seats (flying in and flying out) and they offer long-flight sedation in the form of brimming plastic cups of red wine. One of the flight attendants even has her own baby on board, a homey touch.

This airline used to be called Air Nauru. Then, in 2005, the last of its more contemporary 737-400 series jets was repossessed as the country fell into a heap. Clearly, the older plane’s navigational equipment is up to scratch. You’d need it to find this pin-drop island in the middle of the night.

Nauru is located six hours’ flying time north-east of Brisbane, somewhere between the Solomon Islands and the Marshall Islands, which includes whatever is left of Bikini Atoll, which the Yanks used to use for nuclear bomb practice in the 1950s.

The only problem with Nauru’s Our Airline is that it flies to Nauru.

Nauru has no bank. You cannot give a credit card a workout here because they don’t take them. It’s a cash-only country and the dollars are Australian. Nauru’s best hotel, the Menen, is a run-down affair, many of the rooms rented out by local government workers such as teachers and nurses. Huge underpants are pegged on clothes lines on the balconies. It does not have that resort feel.

For breakfast, the Menen is serving eggs. Poached eggs, fried eggs, omelettes, French toast, scrambled eggs. There is nothing else for breakfast but eggs. There is no fresh food on the island.

Don’t get me wrong. Breakfast is fine. But the Nauruan ladies who work the Menen breakfast shift shrug helplessly at the limitations of not just the menu, but the island. The eggs, one lady explains, are flown in from Australia. The only thing they can count on for sure is fresh fish, which people east sashimi-style. But there is a malaise about the place and not too much enthusiasm for going out and catching their own.

For a hundred years, Nauru has had its heart torn out by phosphate mining. The island, only 21km in circumference, has been gutted. So have the shops. There is no food to speak of, except for what comes in Black & Gold label cans, the most popular of which are enticing rows of spam-type products.

In the words of one woman, who I will not identify, Nauru is being asked to “prostitute itself once again” to meet Australia’s internal political games with a request that it revisit recent history by becoming the Coalition’s Pacific Solution II. 

There are only 12,000 or so people on Nauru. It has no defence force but if it was invaded, Australia would provide Nauru’s protection. The Japanese shelled Nauru in World War II as punishment for it being a British Empire phosphate mining outpost. It is shocking to learn that the Japanese decimated the population by enslaving 1200 Nauruans to work as airstrip labourers on their staging point on Truk Atoll, in the Caroline Islands, where many died of starvation and abuse.

Part of the old processing centre site, now being used as a school. Photo: Rob MacColl

The Federal Opposition is talking about reopening the Nauru as a key election weapon in what they call the “fight” against people smugglers. The reality is that this is a fight against asylum-seekers. One lady whispers to me that while she doesn’t mind the idea of them reopening the detention centre, she herself would quite like to seek asylum in Australia, where there’s jobs, money and, most of all, decent food.

During the good years of the 1980s and 90s, Nauru was so phosphate-wealthy that a family of five was said to be living off $100,000 a year, all of it distributed from phosphate royalties. After achieving independence in 1968, and taking control of the phosphate money for themselves, the people of the world’s tiniest – and richest - republic lived like kings.

Nauru was a wealthy welfare state. At that time, living like kings meant seeking out the finest tinned food, which was coveted in a cargo-cult way. They ate it up, big-time, forgot about the fresh fish, forgot about work and suddenly they had serious health problems. The head nurse at RON Hospital (“Who is Ron?” we wonder. Then it dawns: Republic of Nauru) says 40 per cent of Nauruan people have diabetes.

This is a product of indolence combined with bad diet. And now there is 90 per cent unemployment. There are no social security payments, because the government is broke. Down on the wharf, waterside workers sit idle. Phosphate boats only turn up twice a month, as do the ships which bring in food and other supplies. “They just wait around, killing time,” says a supervisor.

The stories of Nauruan government corruption during the good times are infamous: chartered planes to Europe carrying MPs and their families to see stage shows they’d invested in; ignoring sound investments such as steady government bonds for chancy schemes; overspending, outright corruption and international blacklisting after the US State Department identified Nauru as a halfway house for drug dealers and money-launderers.

In 2006, with trust fund money depleted, and loans unable to be repaid, receivers moved in on Nauru’s offshore assets. And then Nauru looked and saw all the premium phosphate was gone. The Asian Development Bank recently reported that unemployment in Nauru was worse than suffered by Western countries during the 1930s depression.

Now, the Menen swimming pool is empty and, in this respect, it looks like a mirror image of the once-fabulous casino resort at Christmas Island, on the opposite coast of Australia but also a place which has been dug up for its bird shit and which, as well, shares notoriety for asylum-seekers.

It is a bizarre to consider that Nauru’s phosphate was used to give some zing to Australia’s vast wheat crops, which struggle in our nutrient-void landscapes. Yet here they can’t grow anything except for maybe a bit of cassava or taro in the beachside backyards. The majority of the island is pure phosphate, but it’s rock-hard and is no good for cropping.

People live on the coastal edge, on a thin fringe of land protected by a reef which extends a couple of hundred metres off the coast and then plunges to deep, deep water.

The two Nauru detention camps built for John Howard’s Pacific Solution in 2001 were closed by Labor in 2008. Topside, the biggest camp, held about 1300 people at is peak in 2003, and the smaller camp, State House held about 300. The State House camp now serves as the temporary school, after the school was burned to the ground last month in a suspicious midnight attack.

Top Side, which Tony Abbott and shadow Immigration spokesman Scott Morrison say they would like to reopen should they win on August 21, is a series of half-smashed demountables sitting atop the island, on one of the few patches of Nauruan earth which has not been mined.

Top Side served as a kind of natural prison, surrounded by deep holes where the phosphate has been dug. If you were an Afghani or Iraqi doing slow island time under the Pacific Solution I, you wouldn’t have wanted to walk too far out of this compound at night because you’d fall off the edge and break your neck.

Around the vicinity of Top Side there remain in the near distance numerous creepy grey outcrops – or pinnacles – that were left behind because they contain lower-grade phosphate. Now these pinnacles are being blown up and mined once again, as desperately poor Nauru tries to make a buck out of whatever is left of their almost-spent resource.

Scott Morrison flew in for meetings with the Nauruan government and opposition members on Monday. President Marcus Stephen, a former Commonwealth gold medal weightlifter who also competed in the 2000 Olympics, runs a minority government of nine men. The opposition also has nine members. Both sides of say they would welcome their island being used again as a detention centre.

Opposition immigration spokesman Scott Morrison at Nauru's sleepy port. Photo: Rob MacColl

This is not surprising. There is no tourism industry here. Most of the budget comes from Australian aid money, about $27m each year, with Taiwan and New Zealand, and others, kicking in to take up the annual aid budget to about $36m. There is no chance of Nauru reclaiming its independent wealth from its remaining phosphate, or from the money it earns selling fishing leases to countries such as Taiwan.

Says Opposition foreign affairs spokesman, David Adeang: “We’re not rich. We’re not as well-off as we used to be. We’re accustomed to a higher standard of living than we’re currently enjoying right at this time. We are an impoverished country, we accept that.”   

And that is why they’d accept a reopened camp for asylum-seekers – not that the government of Nauru will admit this. We know that President Stephen is in favour of the camp, because he said so a couple of weeks ago on ABC radio. Members of the media went to Nauru this week expecting to talk to Stephen about the Pacific Solution II, but while he had time for Scott Morrison, he was – very strangely - not available for journalists.

Stephen is chauffeured around Nauru in a black Toyota Aurion with a flag on the bonnet, and is saluted by his police officer-driver every time he steps in and out of the car. Hopefully, this performance is only for the benefit of Morrison and the visiting media, and they drop the farce when the visitors leave. The island is too small for such pretensions and, whether Stephen knows it or not, it causes locals to snigger.

Stephen disappeared from the cabinet room after his meeting with Morrison. It was announced that Foreign Minister Keiren Keke would talk to the media. This led to complaints (namely from me). It was, after all, impossible to believe President Stephen was too busy studying unfolding events in the Nauru Situation Room to chat with the media.

The asylum-seeker issue is getting major play in Australia and we wanted to know the mind of the president. But Rod Henshaw, an ex-ABC radio bloke from Brisbane, now working as Director of Media for the Nauru government, didn’t like my complaints. “If you don’t like it, stiff shit,” Henshaw said. An appropriate choice of words. After all, that’s what this country’s built on.

Keiren Keke fronted the media and explained that his government’s willingness to talk to the Australian Opposition had nothing to do with the money that a detention centre might bring. He said asylum-seekers were a regional problem.

But they’d never seen an asylum-seeker prior to John Howard. Actually, that’s wrong. Keke said one person, a Sri Lankan chap, jetted in sometime in the 1990s, put up the white flag and asked for asylum.

“This is not seen by us at all as being a major input into our economic recovery,” Keke said. “This is very much about finding a way we can reciprocate the major assistance Australia provides us.” No other Pacific Island country seem in a hurry to return favours to Australia for the foreign aid it pours in, but we are asked to believe Nauru is doing this from the goodness of its heart.

Nauru became notorious during Pacific Solution Mark I, when Afghan asylum-seekers sewed their lips shut and went on hunger strikes in protest at being left to languish on the island for years and years. But Nauruans do have good hearts: they eventually allowed the asylum-seekers to wander about the island at will, to swim in the sea and to use the internet and make phone calls out. The only requirement being that they return to their compounds for a 9pm curfew. Friendships were formed.

But Nauru has such stringent – and, at $200, expensive – visa conditions that if a Coalition government reopened the detention facility, it would be difficult for independent observers to access the island. Jesuit priest Frank Brennan was not allowed onto the island during Pacific Solution I, but Nauru Opposition members – who were in power when Brennan tried to get here – say that was because he did not go through the proper channels.

David Adeang points out that other independent observers, who did go through the proper channels, were allowed in. “At one stage we had (human rights lawyer-advocate) Julian Burnside in my office. He was quite pleasant. We allowed him to do what he wanted to do. We never had any objection to that.”

Julia Gillard says she doesn’t want to talk to Nauru because she’s already talking to East Timor (so she reckons) about an offshore facility. And also because Nauru is not signatory to the UN Convention on Refugees. 

Many suspect that if her East Timor idea fails, as seems likely, Gillard might – if she wins the election - talk to Nauru. Then again, she might not, because all her talk about offshore processing might just be election posturing. Morrison says it doesn’t matter whether Nauru is a signatory or not. He’d deal with them either way.

There is no question Nauruan people want another camp. They all say so. Even Rick Daoe, who at one point was involved in forcefully putting down a riot when he worked at as a security guard at the State House camp, and who dealt with the hunger strikers and lip-sewers, says that once the asylum-seekers understood that the Nauruans were not their enemies, and once people like him started having them to dinner in his own home, things really improved on the island.

Pro-jobs: Rick Daoe wants the centre re-opened. Photo: Rob MacColl

At least Daoe admits he wants the camp reopened for straight economic reasons: “It will really benefit our people. Locals would be employed. A lot of people who worked on the (detention) program have not worked since it closed.”

The people are so physically unwell there are now programs encouraging the most simple of physical activities, such as getting up and taking walks about the island. There has also, in recent times, been something of a return to the sea, with people heading out in dinghies to catch their own fish. There has been a realisation that eating from Black & Gold tins is not the best way to go; and, more particularly, with 90 per cent unemployment and little money, that subsistence hunting makes sense.

What doesn’t make sense is Pacific Solution II. Everyone knows it’s just a political game which Nauru is prepared to play because it is in despair.  Likewise, everyone knows that 95 per cent of those who were detained here previously made it to Australia anyway. The Coalition argues that Nauru and Manus Island sent such a shudder through the asylum-seeker community that it caused the boats to stop coming.

And this is true. But if the Coalition wins, it will be just an expensive holding pen for people who will almost inevitably arrive in Australia. It’s the same for Gillard’s alleged East Timor Solution.

Former detention centre manager Barina Waqa. Photo: Rob MacColl

The Nauruans reckon the centre could be up and running in a matter of weeks. Barina Waqa, who worked at the Top Side camp as an operational manager during Pacific Solution I, is hoping a new camp will open. But she admits that Nauruans were not necessarily delighted that the asylum-seekers lived with 24-hour electricity, in air-conditioned sheds, with guaranteed food and guaranteed water. “No, I guess there was a lot of envy,” she says.

For Nauru, a new detention centre will only be a temporary fix on their intractable financial problems. Because if they rebuild the centre, and word goes out again to the asylum-seekers that they can only look forward to a long stay on Nauru, then they won’t come.

Nauru, therefore, won’t be needed. And once again, we won’t need Nauru.

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    • Tony of Poorakistan says:

      07:08am | 13/08/10

      Cheaper than putting them in 4 or 5 star hotels like Gillard has been doing.

      The REAL solution is to issue temporary visas as opposed to giving every Tom, Dick and Habibi permanent residency in Australia. We should also stop family reunion immigration. Currently, only one of them has to make it by boat at their own expense, then they can bring over their uncles, sisters, grandparents, brothers, aunties, cousins, parents and wives (sic) - all at the expense of the Australian taxpayer. That isn’t even in the UN Convention on Refugees so why are we allowing it?

      We have to send the message that the gravy train is no longer running. That will stop the boats.

    • Rose says:

      09:43am | 13/08/10

      Nauru is an incredibly expensive, inefficient option. Over a billion dollars for a few thousanfd people is what Howard paid. What is needed is for people to get over themselves, boat arrivals are actually not big enough in number to be seriously considered a problem. After initial safety and health checks, they should be housed in metropolitan centres, where there is ready access to immigration officials and other services. Housing them in isolated areas just pushes up the bill, with no documented benefit.  Nauru needing economic stimulus is not a good enough reason to use the place, help them by all means, but not that way. It’s time for Australia to start looking at world’s best practice and adopting real solutions rather than going down the most expensive, inefficient and inhumane road again. Australia then needs to
      develop something we have never had before, a comprehensive immigration policy, it’s time to stop singling out the smallest group of potential immigrants and start looking at it as a big picture. Although I’m not really sure that Australia is adult enough to do that!

    • AdamC says:

      09:55am | 13/08/10

      Tony, I agree. Forget Nauru and Timor - just change the system to remove the incentives. Only the Coalition is prepared to this.

    • Gregg says:

      01:23pm | 13/08/10

      Immigrants Rose are those that apply for normal visas on a skilled basis or via family connections and they can take people from about six months at the quickest, some family and employer sponsored visas quicker and up to more than two years for some.

      What is world’s best practice?
      US and the Mexican border?
      Canada does not accept asylum seekers who have been through a third country and nor the US.
      Have a look at what happens in Europe!
      Creating a situation to encourage them only means the extremely impoverished and unwell in refugee camps will be more excluded whilst more boat people will come and more will die at sea.
      Are you not concerned for either refugees or boat people dying?

    • Rosie says:

      01:50pm | 13/08/10

      Rose you must be kidding!

      If you knew of the poverty that exists in the Pacific Islands you would have realized how the people of Nauru are crying out for our help by the picture and the healine; “NAURU, UNEMPLOYMENT 90% IS READY FOR BUSINESS. I didn’t have to read the article to feel for these people. My heart goes out to these friendly people in the Pacific that will appreciate greatly whatever small is given to them because 90% of the population are disadvantaged and deprived compared to the the 10% that are employed. You and Julia Gillard need to be reminded that POVERTY has become an urgent global priority and in this case it is Australia’s obligation to fulfil the needs of the Nauru people and re - open the Processing Centre for the Asylum seekers.

      Australia Foreign Affairs have always acknowledged the fact that Pacific Islanders look up to Australia as the “big brother” that will always be there for them in time of need.

      Australia can afford to go backwards a little before moving forward to Julia Gillard’s Australia to help alleviate the poverty that exists in Nauru. At the same time Australia can be killing many birds with one stone.

      !. Alleviate the poverty.
      2. Ease some of the unemployment
      3. Housing the asylum seekers in better circumstances from what they are fleeing from and not allowing them to presume they were coming directly to Australia.
      4. Saving the taxpayer’s money because all is required is to renovate the existing building.
      5. The hapiness it will bring the Nauru people when we fulfil our human rights obligation to not just the asylum seekers but the people of Nauru.

      By the way Paul I did read it - Great article! A reminder that we not only need a good Govt but a Govt that recognises the needs of not just every Australian but those of our neighbours as well.

    • Mary says:

      03:07pm | 13/08/10

      If Abbott gets in the only boats that’ll need turning back will be the hordes leaving the country!

    • John P. says:

      07:32pm | 13/08/10

      Mary that would be the best thing that could happen to the people of Australia. You could be rest assured our indigenous Australians will jump in glee.

      Goodbye!

    • Eye4anEye says:

      07:36pm | 13/08/10

      @ Rose: A billion dollars you say? please provide some sources for this figure…..in the mean time I’m going to call shenanigans on it.

      IMO it’s a good move - asylum seekers don’t won’t to be there and thus decline and we assist a impoverished neighbour economically without resorting to the tried and failed welfare system of foreign aid, sounds like a win win to me.

    • Tarzan says:

      07:12am | 13/08/10

      Before last night I was anti boat people. I would cringe every time I heard a new boat was arriving. But after watching Q and A last night I can see now it is just a big lie. We need to cut immigration, but not the humanitarian side, we need to cut the skilled migrant side. We need to INCREASE the humanitarian side.
      And I think Nauru is the perfect place for processing. These people need our help also. We can help the Naraueans with employment and infrastructure.
      And a message for big business: Stop stealing skilled people from poor countries and put your hand in your pocket start training your own bloody people!

    • Rose says:

      09:20am | 13/08/10

      Nauru is a terrible place for processing, as is Timor, Curtin and any other remote location. In order to expadite the process, asylum seekers will need to be housed nearer to where the services are, ie in our metropolitan areas. Remote detention centres are incredibly expensive, inefficient and inhumane. A process which may only need to take a month or two is stretched into years just because of the isolation.
      What Australians need to realize is that asylum seekers, by virtue of the very low numbers that arrive by boat, is a non-issue. It is a world-wide concern, but Australia itself does not really have a problem. What Australia does need is an over-riding immigration policy, which connects all immigration and emigration in order to balance population levels. We have never had a proper immigration policy, and by developing a comprehensive one, we can get away from bulls##t boat people scare campaigns and other emotive but inaccurate populist rubbish,  and focus on the real issues of sustainable population.

    • HarlquinBeetle says:

      10:06am | 13/08/10

      @Tarzan have a read of Crickey.com…there is an article on there which outlines why the Liberal Government closed Nauru as a detention centre…..after reading this article, I am very definitely anti Nauru for the boat people processing.

    • Biteme says:

      11:06am | 13/08/10

      Rose actually know why we process boat people offshore?
      Here’s a hint:
      “In 2001, Labor agreed with the Howard Government’s move to excise Christmas and Cocos Islands as well as Ashmore and Cartier Reefs from Australia’s migration zone, and thus preventing asylum seekers who reach them from invoking Australia’s refugee protection system.” Amnesty Australia
      It saves us a fortune in legal fees and court delays.

    • The Scarlet Pimpernel says:

      01:11pm | 13/08/10

      Rose

      what services? You mean all the free health, dental, translation, housing, transport etc provided to these leeches by the long suffering Aussie taxpayer? Not to mention free phone calls back to their real home so they can tell their extended family to start packing, if they haven’t already. Have you ANY idea what all this is costing?

    • Davida says:

      01:32pm | 13/08/10

      As if being in detention wasn’t hard enough, you then have to contend with The Scarlet Pimpernel eavesdropping on your phone calls home as you allegedly tell “your extended family to start packing”.  Is this a first hand account or what you imagine happens?

    • Gregg says:

      01:40pm | 13/08/10

      Tarzan,
      Are you quite happy for taxes to go up by 25% to cover for those who will be put out of work without immigration and all the additional education to train doctors and nurses, a lot of them not sticking with the training or going overseas themselves.
      You increase the humanitarium side and are you happy to increase the taxes again to cover housing, health and education for them and even if you have doctors amongst asylum seekers, it’ll not mean they meet Australian standards.
      All those big businesses have to compete and if they have additional costs to be met, they’ll be less competitive and it could be cheaper to import goods from overseas, a vicious circle the WTO level playing field principles have us in and the end result is not only no training but less jobs for Australians, it all being about global distribution of wealth and like it or not, our cost of living including taxes is going to be higher.

      And Rose, get your head out of the sand for Australia really does have a problem, for where are we housing these people right now?
      And why?
      And where will you house all the more people lining up to come?
      And who will be paying for it all?
      We have people already in Australia on the poverty line and below, unable to get adequate medical or dental services, living without heating and on cheapest of food.
      Are you happy to pay 50% more tax than what you pay now, that’s if you are paying any.
      Have a look at http://www.immi.gov.au and you’ll find out all about immigration and how policies do have to be reviewed from time to time because of prevailing circumstances here and abroad.
      You may actually learn something.
      The other reason for offshore processing is to stop the legal people having a field day and that just adds more to the public purse.

    • Sherekahn says:

      12:50pm | 14/08/10

      Tarzan, you’ve fallen out of yer tree again.
      Nauru has 12,000 population we pay them $millions now in aid.
      Offer every citizen of Nauru residency in Australia and stop paying $millions in aide.
      Sell the country on eBay and give that to anyone still living there.
      Perhaps Tony Abbot and his Cronies will buy it.
      Think outside of the square for solutions.

    • Tarzan says:

      07:14pm | 14/08/10

      Gregg, please may I respond to you: “25% extra in taxes to cover those who become unemployed without immigration” Is that the immigration industry of lawyers, bureaucrats, public servants and government appointed bleeding hearts? I would say we would have a 40% decrease in tax. And yes, I would like to see Australian education increase. We could pay for it by reducing public servants in the immigration industry.

    • Scott says:

      07:12am | 13/08/10

      I say we need a tougher stance - Allow a dilapidated boat or 2 to capsize and that will send the message back to the people smugglers. The smugglers know that we are soft and hence exploit it.

      And to any of my fellow readers who will moan about how we aren’t doing enough for refugees… let me tell you that unemployment is at 6% and it is not a nice feeling to be siiting at home when you want to work! (Also, feel free to give them your guest bedroom to use!)

    • Tarzan says:

      08:10am | 13/08/10

      Actually you may have a good idea there Scott. Why don’t the government call for people who can spare some of their home for asylum seekers who have passed security checks. Then we will really see those who walk the talk. You think Bob Brown, or Two Dads would spare a room or two?

    • hot tub political machine says:

      08:15am | 13/08/10

      When you start your comment by suggesting the fine people of the Australian Navy should be asked to just let people drown - your not going to be taken too seriously by either side of the political fence.

    • Fred says:

      03:37pm | 13/08/10

      Agree with hot tub - I can’t believe you just said we should willingly watch people die and do nothing about it.  (AND that it would be a good thing)

      What on earth is wrong with you??

    • Susan says:

      06:34pm | 13/08/10

      That’s disgraceful. And 5.3% does not round to 6% unemployment champ…

      If it’s that or indefinite detention in Nauru I’m happy to have an asylum seeker sleep on the sofa bed in my study, and another 2 or 3 on the couch in the living room for that matter.

    • Sherekahn says:

      10:05am | 15/08/10

      Tarzan, you are swinging high again, congratulations.
      Greg is a fifth columnist.
      All our worries would minimise if immigration were cut and training more Australians to fill any gaps.

    • Eric says:

      07:24am | 13/08/10

      “Everyone knows that 95 per cent of those who were detained here previously made it to Australia anyway.”

      That’s the problem with the proposed solutions. The weak link is a biased Refugee Tribunal that easily accepts dodgy claims.

      Worse yet is the outdated Refugee Convention. It’s well past time we dropped this exploitable treaty.

    • Eric says:

      12:21pm | 13/08/10

      Shane, I do not agree with your idea of shooting asylum seekers.

      You are a very biased person.

    • PercysChoice says:

      09:47am | 14/08/10

      Heavens above!! I don’t agree with shooting them either!! Good job we don’t have the thought police or I think you would be in a virtual jail now Shane

    • Rene says:

      07:28am | 13/08/10

      Natural pity on a neighbor should motivate our Government to do everything in its power to help Nauru.  After all, we sent a billion dollars to Indonesia for the victims of the tsunami.  Here is a greater need.  We can do the neighborly act by reopening it to house the Boat people.  East Timor is a ridiculous idea.  It is correct that Julia Gillard will not use Nauru.  Her pride would demand it.  She would never bow to the fact that the Howard Government used it and that now the Nauru Government is begging the Coalition to do something.  There is one answer to this.  Do not vote Labor and Julia Gillard/Rudd into power.

    • The Scarlet Pimpernel says:

      10:05am | 13/08/10

      It was two billion we gave Indonesia and they promptly bought a second hand Russian warship.

    • fairsfair says:

      10:05am | 13/08/10

      Hmm, yet when Tony Abbot suggested turning the boats around (with implied safety because he is afterall human) he was branded an idiot. I wonder if all the doo gooders out there (who cherry pick facts, stats and information to suit their cause) will take note of the suggestions of the Sri Lankans? The issue starts there and it should finish there.

    • Sherekahn says:

      12:39pm | 14/08/10

      Tarzan, Sri Lankans have one of the biggest political organizations in the World.  It is a propaganda machine.

    • Reg says:

      08:24am | 13/08/10

      It surely must be 50 years or more, since Australia first offered to resettle the people of Nauru somewhere near Gladstone. They declined of course. Nothing seems to have improved and with the prospect of global warm perhaps it’s time to renew the offer.

      Alternatively we could cart all the guano back now that we have wrought the benefit and are in a better position to do so. Or we could settle the boat people near Gladstone and employ them bagging the modern guano equivalent for rehabilitation to Nauru. A sort of lend/lease arrangement.

      What we paid the Nauruans a hundred years ago was only the interest, now it’s time to repay the principle.

    • Reg says:

      08:29am | 13/08/10

      Ah but wait, It was the British who devastated the island as part of their empire scrounging. Perhaps they would like to contribute to its restoration.

    • Marian Dalton says:

      08:51am | 13/08/10

      Thank you for such a comprehensive survey of Nauru. Morrison’s assurances that both Topside and State House are ‘nearly ready to go’ is clearly rubbish.

      It’s shameful that Australians should even contemplate this: not only would we be subjecting asylum seekers (who have done nothing illegal) to harsh prison conditions, but we would be exploiting a desperate nation.

      Nauru needs real help from us. We’re very quick to invest in ‘nation-building in Afghanistan. Our aid money is one thing - why aren’t we sending doctors, engineers, town planners to help them? Instead the Coalition would fob off a trumped-up ‘crisis’ onto them, because they know that Nauru is in such dire straits that they can’t afford to reject any offer, no matter how abhorrent or patronising.

    • Rob says:

      09:23am | 13/08/10

      It beggars belief that anyone who has ever been to Nauru would think or publicly express the view that forcibly relocating people there and holding them in detention is any kind of solution that meets even base humanitarian standards.

      It is a shame of Party politics that otherwise intelligent people can go to Nauru, inspect the facilities, gain an understanding of the motives of local politicians - and return to Australia still claiming that this is a “solution”.

      It is neither fair to refugees, nor does it solve Nauru’s long-term problems (as evidenced by the last time it was tried!).

    • Gregg says:

      01:51pm | 13/08/10

      It’s their choice use people smugglers in the first place Rob, to by pass UNHCR regugee centres that are in numerous countries of afflicyed areas.
      These people are not using knowledge of Australia being a soft target to add to the costs of everyone living in Australia but they are also displacing genuine refugees in refugee centres, refugees who do not have the financial means to get to Indonesia.
      Sure, Nauru is not the most desirable location but there’s also at times a need for tough love.
      With the message having gone out loud and clear ” where the bloody hell are you ” where would you have them put up?
      And are you too happy to start paying much higher taxes.

    • Biteme says:

      09:32am | 13/08/10

      Whats the opinion of the Aboriginal on migration? Anybody know…....or care?

    • fairsfair says:

      12:43pm | 13/08/10

      We are all Australian Biteme. We share this land. I can’t believe people continue to pull out the race card when it is not applicable. The indigenous populations have just as much control over this issue as the remaining demographics (none). Stop trying to beat up racial argument where it is not warranted. It is comments like this that have negative impacts on reconciliation in this country because it riles everyone up. Indigenous Australians are welcome to offer their opinion on this matter as I am you are doing. It will go nowhere, but maybe it makes us all feel better to vent a little bit and I don’t need to tell you my cultural heritage or physical attributes to do so - because it has no bearing on what is being discussed.

    • Fred says:

      03:41pm | 13/08/10

      @ BiteMe - Fairsfair puts it best but I had to add this - 1 Aboriginal person’s point of view does not equate to a whole Aboriginal point of view… you understand that concept, right??

    • Judith V says:

      09:59am | 13/08/10

      I cant believe what I’m reading. If a dog was on the side of the road dying would you help or drive on?. These people are desperate, some cant swim but still get on a boat, you must be scared to death to do that.Put more work into stopping the boat owners in the first place, hard job but at least have a go. John Howard missed out on the position with World Cricket because of his racism view’s(India’s word’s not mine) and now you want to dirty our name more, selfish people, sham on you.

    • Biteme says:

      10:41am | 13/08/10

      Judith: I have a person in south India who does my website and they tell me we are a joke in India and Sri lanka.
      she told me there is a brochure that says “if you want a good life simply hop on to a boat to Australia, within a short time you will be the owner of a nice house there. Then if you pay money you can be taught how act in tribunal hearings, what to write on sign boards, how to cry, what to say.
      She also reckons many of the people leaving are just criminals escaping laws. Have you got a spare room for one of them?

    • fairsfair says:

      11:46am | 13/08/10

      freudian slip there Judith - sham on you alright. I’m with biteme - you wanna try and pick the legitimate from the criminal at face value and offer them your spare bedroom?

      This is why processing is required and I don’t in anyway believe that it is unreasonable to (as the article states) put people up in secure, comfortable accommodation while they are bad apples are identified (and well that process in itself is a whole other issue).

    • Sam says:

      12:27pm | 13/08/10

      Biteme, your tirade sounds like typical liberal scripted bilious fiction. You normally do better than that.

    • Davida says:

      02:15pm | 13/08/10

      @Biteme,
      “I have a person in south India who does my website”.  No- one in Australia qualified to do websites?  Globalisation’s grand as long as those we exploit in the third world stay there,  right?

    • AJ says:

      10:09am | 13/08/10

      Reg thats not strictly accurate, I lived on Nauru during the glory years of the British Phosphate Commission. Australia and New Zealand were also providers of labor, management and administration of that industry. The unfortunate demise of Nauru occurred well after the BPC became the NPC. The government of the time attempyed to invest in Real Estate and other assets to ensure the long term prosperity of the islanders, however a number of financial scams depleted the capital base and left Nauru in the state its in now. I was however suprised to read of a “return” to fishing, I can well remember even in the prosperous years the enthusiasm of the people to fish or use trained frigate birds to do the same. They used to have an annual relay marathon around the island between the districts too, my brother even ran for Meneng District one year and Topside was were the sports oval finish line ended it. What happened to that? This isnt the Nauru I remember, What a sad story to read, it was a beautiful place back then.

    • Reg says:

      11:07am | 13/08/10

      Thanks for the update AJ, I couldn’t recall the middle part of the name. I understood the island was controlled by the British Phosphate Commission and that management was recruited on their behalf from surrounding countries. 

      I am relieved to see that rather than political point scoring there are some who are more concerned with the sad situation the islanders find themselves in. I believe the land surface was scrapped for the last remnant of phosphate AJ, is that true?

    • Brenda says:

      10:31am | 13/08/10

      I don’t like asylum seeker riots like Wednesday’s affair in Darwin when a guard’s arm was broken.  There was another riot last year, the details were suppressed.  You would think best behaviour would be an absolute, not-negotiable visa pre-requisite.
      Bad enough having home-grown problems.  As for the touted justification “we are an immigrant nation”.  Yes, but the immigrants since the 1970’s are a very different social, religious and cultural make-up than those who settled here prior to 1970’s.  It’s a whole new ball-game with divisive multi-culturalism and decreasing social cohesion. 
      The boat numbers may be a few thousand, but what guarantee do we have that the few thousands will not result in a few million. 
      Justifying people smuggled newcomers dodging our laws is analagous to parents telling their children that they can break a few laws, but there will be a limit - one day.  The kids will keep pushing, especially if they think the laws are easily broken, and never upheld.

    • Rose says:

      10:44am | 13/08/10

      You do realize that the divise social make-up is as much, if not more,  the fault of Australians as it is the fault of the new comers. F##k off we’re full stickers, politicians promoting racist policies etc all go toward causing problems not finding solutions.

    • The Scarlet Pimpernel says:

      10:50am | 13/08/10

      I hadn’t heard that, and it would be nice if the press followed up. It sounds like one of the so-called refugees committed assault. If so, he should be deported immediately.

    • Karen M says:

      10:32am | 13/08/10

      I am definatley against Nauru sorry!! I think its time we looked after ourselves.
      Naturally Nauru want the centre there , its a money spinner for them and a hell hole for the refugees. While Australian’s are homeless while we have the unemployed, while our infustructure is not good, we need to invest our money here. Later if the situation changes then we can help. But taxpayers are not a charity, this is our money we work hard for. There are many other poor countries that need help, some in far worse conditions then the residents of Nauru

    • Vox Populi says:

      11:24am | 13/08/10

      Am I the only person who read this article and wonders why, on an island still bursting with phosphates, they don’t grow anything?

    • AJ says:

      11:41am | 13/08/10

      The phosphate exists without almost any topsoil which is also needed to grow crops. There is also only one small fresh water supply near the airstrip which is barely enough to supply one house (if its still there!) There is very little flat land and that is occupied by the inhabitants on the coastal fringe. Nauru topographically is something like a bowler hat and the phosphate is all dug from the crown. None of that land is usable for cropping either as its either remnant coral pinnacles (several metres high) or soil-less coral rock.

    • A Bob says:

      12:26pm | 13/08/10

      “The majority of the island is pure phosphate, but it’s rock-hard and is no good for cropping”

      Are you sure you read the article?

    • AJ says:

      11:31am | 13/08/10

      What do suggest then Karen M? Its ok to knock but constructive alternatives are a better argument. Re-open Port Arthur perhaps? Kangaroo Island? Whats your better plan?

    • Gregg says:

      02:05pm | 13/08/10

      First off the TPVs have to be immediately introduced.
      Tent cities as per refugee centres get established to expand Christmas Island and on others to increase temporary capacity.
      Tow the boats to the islands and disable them for additional shelter
      The very first time a boat person is taken off a boat they get told it could be ten years or longer that you may be here and during that time you’ll be given the most basic of support.
      You will have duties assigned to you much as you would expect are needed for any community.
      Any violence will have you returned immediately to your country.

      And then they can be asked.
      You have the choice of accepting these regulations or being provided with transport back.

    • Fred says:

      03:47pm | 13/08/10

      @Gregg - I’m so sick of people suggesting this . TPVs did NOT work.  Not work in terms of cutting down the number of asylum seekers and not work in terms of their mental health - in other words it was a lose-lose dud policy.  Amend the TPVs, sure, but in no way is it a good idea to bring back what the TPVs were originally

    • AdamC says:

      04:36pm | 13/08/10

      Fred, what are you basing your claim on? I am always very sceptical when people make bold assertions that appear to contradict both experience and common sense.

      Permanent residency is the basis of the appeal of asylum-seeking, just as it was the appeal of completing dodgy IT courses at institutions no employers had ever heard of. If you take away the lure of permanent residency, you are pretty close to de-incentivising the undesirable behaviour.

    • Elizabeth says:

      11:48am | 13/08/10

      The REAL boat numbers are far from being a few thousand. Yes, a few thousand actually arrive by boat. Did you know about 80% of boat arrivals are men or young boys? Did you know people that these arrivals then bring their families over with them? Under the current legislation they are entitled to family reunions. This is something the government is never keen to talk about but I suspect if the family reunion numbers are included then perhaps the MCG would be filled in far less years than the 20 or so years nominated by the PM. I previously lived in an area of South West Sydney where many refugees settled. Understandably, they like to be close to their own people and have their own community. But these suburbs that are taking them are stretched for resources and facilities. Youth unemployment in these areas tends to be twice the national average and there is not much for kids to do. Crime and violence are quite high. There is not much in the way of mental health services or support groups either. Support services in these area’s are already at capacity. We need to stop and have a think about how we should manage this and think about the services and support structures these people need.
      These suburbs simply can’t keep being asked to absorb these people at the rate that they are. I have met many refugee families and have seen them come in and then wait for the rest of their extended family to arrive. I have seen refugee families living in military housing. The government puts them in there whilst they try to find something more suitable. Yes, it does happen but no one from the government wants to talk about it. Is it fair? I will let you answer that question for yourselves. It breaks my heart that we have our indigenous population living in camps in the NT and children living in such awful conditions yet we turn a blind eye to them. Where is the housing or hotel accommodation for these people, our own people? Where is the basic medical care and the education services that these children deserve, children born in this country of ours? And here we are pandering to economic refugees arriving by boat whilst we continue to allow our indigenous people to live in such poor conditions. It’s about time we woke up to ourselves.
      Yes, I so feel sorry for people having been born in countries they don’t want to live in, however that is the reality of their situation. That is life. As for the genuine refugees, we can only offer so much assistance and at the end of the day the reality is that we simply cannot take them all. We cannot solve all of the world’s problems.

    • Biteme says:

      11:56am | 13/08/10

      I agree with what you say, but who has the best policy for this? I think Liberals pander to big business by importing so many skilled migrants.

    • Gregg says:

      02:12pm | 13/08/10

      Here here Elizabeth,
      A great description of the bottom of the Iceberg not at all revealed.

      There is some reasoning for skilled immigration Bite Me and not all about Big Business and skilled immigration is totally different from the people smuggling.

    • Elizabeth says:

      03:38pm | 13/08/10

      It’s not just the Liberals, it’s both parties that import a lot of skilled migrants. In 2008/2009 in the midst of the financial crisis, Labour decided to bring in a record number presumably to protect the country from recession. I’m in an industry where I deal with many different businesses day to day. Many of these businesses complain of staffing shortages and most seem to be hiring foreigners on 457 Visas, particularly within Mining and IT. It’s a tough one and I have no idea how we solve it. We need people to work in these jobs but surely there are Australians who can fill most of these positions? My thoughts are that we need to take a good look at welfare dependancy and find a way to get those who are able to work into jobs. As I mentioned above, I previously lived in South west Sydney and unemployment in these areas (particularly youth unemployment) are huge. Perhaps we need a government to look at welfare reform as well as taxation reform to provide an incentive for people who are able to work to then participate in work.

    • Marilyn Shepherd says:

      09:53pm | 14/08/10

      So Elizabeth you think people should just leave their families to die is that it?

      I hope someday you need help dear and everyone simply drives by.

    • Carlota says:

      12:42pm | 13/08/10

      Abbott said that people of Nauru are “friendly,welcoming,compassionate and caring” and they will take good care of asylum seekers.
      What dose it make us Australians?

      Dose anyone know why all those Liberal boys Joe Hockey,Scott Morrison,Tony Smith,Chris Pine, and others are sweating like pigs when they do press conference.Is it because they lie or alcohol withdrawal?.

      And they don’t look straight to the camera ,shifting their eyes nervously.
      I don’t trust people like that. Would they have any policy if there were no refugees?
      Unless miracle will happen I think I will vote Labor this time.
      Although Greens look very yummy this year.I feel I need to eat more vegetables.

    • Robert S McCormick says:

      01:08pm | 13/08/10

      If there are only 12,000 people living on Nauru, an island it is reported in danger of sinking beneath the sea as a direct result of global warming which we are told is largely a result of the efforts of the USA,China, India, Australia,Russia, Europe, then rather than dumping unfortunate would-be refugees there why don’t we simply offer to re-settle those 12,000 Nauruans? That way the Island can be left, as we are told is inevitable, to die a peaceful death. If we grant them all immediate Australian Citizenship that would go some way towards softening the blow of having to leave their homeland. Why do they have to wait until the sea actually invades & we, as the International Community will expect us to, have to respond at short notice to something we could have laid to rest safely, decently & in a well-ordered way in 2010?

    • Reg says:

      07:22pm | 13/08/10

      Here’s a man who doesn’t read what’s gone before.

    • S.L says:

      01:21pm | 13/08/10

      Where would Scott Morrison get the time to fly to Nauru? He seems to spend every waking hour crawling to Alan Jones and Ray Hadley on the radio!

    • Petra says:

      02:07pm | 13/08/10

      The best solution that Australia can help Nauru with is to allow Nauruans visa free access into Australia and permit them to work, just like what NZ did to its former South Pacific colonies of Niue and the Cook Islands.  This would be really beneficial as the income earned would support many families back in Nauru.  Giving aid (including hosting refugees) is only a short term solution and increases Nauru’s dependence on a temporary measure.

    • Freddie says:

      10:17pm | 13/08/10

      The Howard Government actually considered this great idea - and then pulled it, because of the implications for other Pacific nations and in the absence of a well developed strategy for the Pacific. We haven’t heard much about the success of the temporary work visas for the fruit pickers from the Pacific….

    • Biteme says:

      02:08pm | 13/08/10

      I just did some reading of Immigration tribunal decisions, and there was a VISA refused to a Chinese man 8th June 2010. He claimed one of his business reasons was exporting Cane Toads to China for medicinal purposes. But get this: We gave him a $5 Million Government Grant. I’m gobsmacked!! the link is http://www.mrt-rrt.gov.au/Decisions/Decisions-Bulletin/Bulletin/default.aspx
      précis Issue No. 7/2010   03/08/10   PDF

    • Tarzan says:

      08:16pm | 13/08/10

      I just read this. How can it be that some person who is not even an Australian citizen can get their hands on $5 Million from us taxpayers?
      How can it be that hospitals must rely on donations for vital equipment and yet we give foreign business men $5,000,000.00 to spend on what they want courtesy of the hardworking Australian. Rudd you gave $250,000,000.00 to your mate Wayne Goss for the TV Stations, and yet The Children’s Hospital still hasn’t got the equipment it needs. We live in the lucky country!

    • Lin says:

      04:55pm | 15/08/10

      Reading some of the cases and decisions made me think that it’s a script for a sitcom… it would be comical if it wasn’t real. Why are we giving tax money to some ‘tribunal’ to overturn decisions made by tax funded public servants?? And all they base it on is that the immigration scammer’s story and mannerism appear ‘credible’!!  And if they don’t succeed with the ‘tribunal’ they have access to courts! No surprise that all these immigration lawyers love it!

    • Rosie says:

      03:18pm | 13/08/10

      Julia Gillard has mentioned many times that Labor’s plan for the asylum seekers was first and best to stop the boats from leaving their shores for our shoes.

      Hello! Can we please fly her off to the places where the boats are coming from after the Elections to the People’s Smugglers to do the deal she is proposing. It is a pity the media didn’t pick it up!

    • Matt says:

      04:55pm | 13/08/10

      Paul, I fear you may have just committed an act of journalism. Any more of this and Australians are in danger of being informed ...

    • Will C says:

      05:40pm | 13/08/10

      Being a relatively small community there must be something our nation can do to assist Nauru better. If the step of reopening a detention centre there would help them on top of the aide we provide, then just do it. Both of the political parties are offering this; Julia discussing one in Timor, Tony definite on one in Nauru. The Nauru one already has existing facilities and even if they need a major clean up it could only be cheaper and faster. Nauru are already in bipartisan support of this.

      Whatever the reasons, Julia swallow your pride, give the green light to go with Nauru as they’ve already said they would welcome Australia’s assistance in running the place and we are signatories to the UN’s refugee policies. You don’t think we couldn’t ensure it was run in line with that policy, with or without Nauru signing up to the UN as well? How can you sit by and not go with the solution to your problem that is cheaper for the taxpayer and would offer much more assistance to one of our neighbours.

      As for immigration in general, I live in Chifley division in NSW, which encompasses a portion of Blacktown, all of Mt Druitt and everything in between (Rooty Hill too). This division has never been in the hands of the Liberal party. It has got to be the safest Labor seat in Australia, for both State and Federal. After being ignored and lied to by State Labor and disenfranchised by Federal Labor, I think that this election will see a reclassification of that “safe” label.

      To all the non-swinging Labor voters around the country who are unaware of the local goings on in this area, the Rooty Hill Forum went the way it did because I saw there a general reflection of just how unhappy the local constituents are with Labor at this time. Take a bit of time and let me reflect some information about the area to you and why there is growing anti-immigration sentiment for this area.

      According to the 2006 census statistics for Chifley we were over 8% unemployment, with roughly one quarter of families with a weekly income of less than $650- a week and 40% of our housing is mortgaged. These alone are worrying statistics of an area going backwards. In 2006, we also had one third of our population not born in Australia and around 10% of our population that had trouble speaking English or not at all.

      The past 3 years on the ground level have seen a noticeable influx of immigration throughout a small targetted region, from Parramatta through to Penrith and another small region further south. This influx has been noticed especially because of the increase in numbers of people from Africa and the Middle East.

      The government has it’s part in determining where asylum seekers are first housed whilst they get their feet on the ground in our country. On the basis of that, I suffer concerns of a nature that the statistics I provided earlier are from a time before the influx into our division became much more noticeable on a personal level. I wonder at how fair it is that people generalise and are negative about the growing anti-immigration sentiment in Western Sydney. They can only be unaware of the reality that areas that were already in need of real assistance by the government have also been targetted as areas that can handle more immigration.

      I still support immigration, a cross section of my friends pretty much encompasses a cross section of the nations of the world and I wouldn’t want it any other way. However a distribution of immigration is needed. It is unfair to new immigrants (whether asylum seekers or not) to be placed in areas that are finding it hard to cope and with already diminishing standards of living. The Chifley area on the whole has done more than it’s fair share of taking in new immigrants and asylum seekers and yet even still when more come they are still welcomed on a personal level and always will be.

      So for all the generalised accusations of being racist and uncompassionate that are sure to follow. People who think that need to realise that the anti-immigration sentiment here is growing in regards to the overall picture on fairness of the immigration policies to the existing populations and the new immigrants. Not on any uncompassionate basis. In this regard, Labor has failed on policy with our constituent again.

      FYI Prime Minister, I’m not going to entertain the new (old proposal) rail link that will have no real benefit for the actual area of western Sydney and requires the State government to provide funding for a number of years before the Federal government supplies any of its announced funds.

    • Tarzan says:

      07:51pm | 13/08/10

      Will, you obviously know what’s going on. So my suggestion is to spread the new migrants around. For example establish some of the new people from Africa and the Middle East in places like Double Bay, Noosa, Peppermint Grove, Glenelg, and Toorak. Why don’t we do that? I really can’t understand it.

    • Rosie says:

      07:47pm | 13/08/10

      Thank Will C for your civil comments! It should be read by all of us for a better knowledge for what is really happening between the two parties and Bob Browne’s Greens who I consider a pest.

    • Tarzan says:

      08:09pm | 13/08/10

      I attended a top level sales meeting today. Our company paid a fortune to some mega marketing positive action group hug team building session. I was harped all day about company culture. Company culture is the team that works. I said I prefer Multiculture, they said “Are you joking, multiculture. We are a team of people with one goal to succeed”. I thought to myself that must be the difference with Australia.

    • freddie says:

      10:44pm | 13/08/10

      Tyhank you Paul for a brilliant article, well researched which captures the tawdry,wasted, hopelessness of the place and something of what it may have been like the former inhabitants of Topside camp, along Garbage Tip Road. You didn’t mention the monotonous heat and the phosphate dust the refugees used to speak of, but the overwhelming boredom came through.
      Your expose of Morrison and Abbott’s misleading promise to immediately reopen Nauru detention and processing -which they cannot implement- is a cosy fit with their continued perpetuation of the lie that asylum seekers = illegal immigrants and can morph into people smugglers who are the scum of the earth… so you can banish them out of sight out of mind.

      Those hunger strikers are citizens now, but the scars of three to five years of isolation and deprivation of liberty are inevitably there in the lives of all the 1400 people held on Nauru and Manus against their will. We have yet to hear the voices of those refugees telling their story, and it won’t be pretty. Labor is right to avoid any link to the Pacific Solution which trashed our international reputation and compromised our Nauruan neighbours .
      Take a look at Elliot Spencer’s documentary, “FREEDOM OF DEATH” posted on U Tube as a tribute to the truth of what happened under the Howard regime.

    • Reg says:

      07:52am | 14/08/10

      How extraordinary that the Howard government recognised the hopelessness of Nauru and not only subjected the boat people to its environmental excesses, but ignored the deprivation of its original residents to ensure it remained an unpleasant experience. 

      Obviously our current Liberal aspirants have not dwelt on the dreadful image this action casts on the Howard government and themselves, or they’d not be so ready to adopt it afresh.  It’s time to address the far bigger problem of helping the Nauruan people.

    • acotrel says:

      08:34am | 14/08/10

      I don’t believe Julia Gillard would ever consider Nauru as an option for detention of asylum see kers.  Even with her capitulation to agreeing to offshore detention the LIbs are claiming that ‘JOHN HOWARD IS VINDICATED’!  If ‘vindicated’ is to be extended to cover the abuse of human rights under Howard, Gillard would be stupid to risk associating the ALP with that sort of behaviour.  Locking people up without recourse to the courts through HABEAS CORPUS is a fundamental abuse of their rights.  I live in a western democracy, and I expect better from our politicians.  Howard, Abbott and Morrison are a DISGRACE!

    • Ben81 says:

      03:06pm | 14/08/10

      John Howard was vindicated years ago when the boats stopped coming.  A Labor leader all but admitting she was wrong all along for those years she spent demonising the Liberal party for offshore processing is just a nice bit of icing on the cake.

    • Reg says:

      04:55pm | 14/08/10

      Thank you Ben 81 for a fresh confirmation of the Liberal inability to consider more than one aspect of a serious problem.

    • Ben81 says:

      06:15pm | 14/08/10

      Reg I was replying to a single point by alcotrel, i’m not going to sit here going off on a tangent writing an essay about the whole broad issue.  Offshore processing is important because is completely wipes out the basic product the people smugglers are trying to sell, simple as that.  Let’s bring it back and take in just as many refugees responsibly again.

    • Tarzan says:

      06:44pm | 14/08/10

      Guys, both Liberal and Labor agreed in off shore processing in 2001.
      It was a bilateral agreement people!

    • Reg says:

      07:31am | 15/08/10

      Then I would interpret “off-shore” to mean anywhere between here and their point of departure and including their point of departure. Not some feverish Liberal version of Guantanamo Bay that has been carefully chosen and maintained as a deprived outpost of unpleasantness.

      I apologise to the Nauruans for the callous indifference to their situation shown by the Howard Government and hope for better things to come. However the treatment you have received illustrates full-well the attitude that Liberals have towards others in a similar state of need and consideration. They too are simply cast adrift.

    • stephen says:

      11:53am | 14/08/10

      I read recently the Arabs are influencing the Pacific Nations to counter the Israeli influence, with respect to UN voting over Palestinian resolutions.
      We’ve been waffling on with our near neighbours for too long now.
      Perhaps it’s time for us now to play a hand in this.

    • Tarzan says:

      06:42pm | 14/08/10

      Well Stephen, if that’s the case perhaps those Pacific Nations can ask the Arabs for foreign aid then. I’m sure the Yanks will have a say in it. Let’s keep informed and talk about it more.

    • jack says:

      04:04am | 27/10/10

      Heard they are going to put somalis up there.

 

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