Milking the last drop of absurd homophobia

Joan says:

06:47am | 17/10/12

Yep this whine belongs in Pravda it would be revolutionary.

Mahhrat says:

06:37am | 17/10/12

If you’re referring to the Westborough Baptist Church, it’s how they make money.

They undertake deliberately offensive (but not technically illegal) activities, goad people to violence, and then sue.  Most of the WBC are practicing lawyers.

There is a counter-WBC movement building support in the US.  They hear of WBC plans to “invade” a funeral, and turn up in their thousands to block access to the funeral-goers.  It’s an extraordinary piece of humanity.

RJB says:

07:37am | 17/10/12

The only time I have ever agreed with you acotrel, yes there are many sick fools full of hate.

fml says:

07:47am | 17/10/12

Louis Theroux made a documentary about them as well. He also did a follow up where one of the daughters has been excommunicated. I am not sure for what reason, though. Anyway It follows up her story. While the rest of the family are indifferent, possibly even angry at her, she still loves them and hopes one day to reconcile.

Phoebe says:

08:33am | 17/10/12

“. . . sick fools are full of hate towards homosexuals. . . .”
So its not okay to be full of hate towards homosexuals, but its okay to be full of hate towards Abbott , ring any bells! PS. God is all about love, but obviously mankind is not, as least some of them !

acotrel says:

09:56am | 17/10/12

@phoebe
What have the homosexuals done to deserve hate ? They don’t even get their stupid heads on TV and do negative carping and deceit..

Trevor says:

10:18am | 17/10/12

“God is all about love…”

Hahaha, good one Phoebe. Just not love between same sex couples, sex without procreation, love between ethnic and culturally differing people, even love between conservatives and liberals seems to be lacking of late…

I’m sure you would be familiar with the Bible? Seem to me God has love for genocide, war, intolerance and brutality. What a lovely guy, testing the love of his flock by getting them to sacrifice their sons to him.

If that’s love, I’m happy to be a spiritual batchelor for eternity, or the rest of my life. Whichever is longer.

nihonin says:

10:28am | 17/10/12

acotrel says:

  09:56am | 17/10/12

  @phoebe
  What have the homosexuals done to deserve hate ? They don’t even get their stupid heads on TV and do negative carping and deceit..

acotrel, I think you partially answered your own question with your opinion of homosexuals.

acotrel says:

11:28am | 17/10/12

@mahrat
I was just down the street having coffee with my flash tart, and I rememberd that in the doco, one of the women mentioned that a lot of the sect are lawyers.  I would have thought that in the US if you started vilifying people and then suing them when they turned on you, you would be gunned down.  Perhaps they are choosing their marks - believers in John Wayne, and truth, justice and the American way. ? They appear to be really nasty vermin in that sect. It is a real pity, for as much as I don’t like religion, it is good for some people, and believers don’t deserve to be grouped with people like those in that sect.

Joel says:

11:52am | 17/10/12

Mmm…Religion and lawyers.  Sounds like the perfect match.

Carolyn says:

12:32pm | 17/10/12

My brother & I had the misfortune to witness an astonishing act of fools behaviour commited by a member or associate of the WBC.

Whilst visiting a friend in a south-western hospital, two ambulances arrived transporting victims of a car accident. Three adults and two children were in terrible condition, and a couple of them were not expected to survive.

All hands were on deck trying to assist and save these people. Doctors & nurses were coming from everywhere, it was code red, code blue, code 1, 2, 3 etc. The adults were wheeled to a different wing of the hospital, one of the kids taken to x-ray, and the child in need of the most urgent attention (a little girl of about 6 or 7) was about to be “preped” for surgery.

The doctors were attempting to insert an IV line for a blood transfusion (bags of previously donated blood), when the uncle of the most seriously injured girl arrived at the hospital. From what I could from within my friend’s room, the girl’s father was one of the injured adults who’d been wheeled away. I don’t know where the mother was. Anyway, the uncle began screaming at hospital staff to find asking where his niece (who was the girl having the IV) was. And when the uncle located them, a whole lot of drama started. He began to push the doctors & nurses away from his niece, smacking their hands away from his niece, and knocking the equipment out of their hands. Uncle was yelling his niece “would NOT be taking the blood of the ‘Homosexual’ (and/or Jew)!!”. He ranted about keeping her blood “pure”. He then claimed that a reason why God was angry was because hospitals and doctors were mixin’ the blood, dirtying the blood of the Aryan line”.

My brother at this stage ran out to see if he could help (my brother is an ex-Army rugby player, and is solid muscle and height), because security was not having much luck and needed all the help they could get. Other men came running to help hospital staff. Just before the police officers arrived, this uncle threw himself across his niece and threatened to shoot & sue anybody who “dirtied her blood”.

Meanwhile, the little girl is losing more & more blood and is turning a miriad of grey-white-blue before our eyes.

The uncle was arrested and carted off, but not before screaming that we had sentenced his niece to hell because of the mixing the “the blood of God’s child with the blood of the Homosexual (and/or Jew!!). And we would all go to hell too, because “Pastor Phelps said that those who help the devil would become the devil. This child who found her way to Pastor Phelps knows the Lord. Pastor Phelps blah blah blah”.

As he was being led away, his niece died and after all attempts to revive her failed, the uncle was informed. This “man” - a family member - yelled “praise God!! PRAISE GOD!!”.

He then LAUGHED about her passing way, exclaiming “the Lord has beaten the evil which tempted my niece”. Still laughing, he wished & hoped all of our loved ones in that hospital died horrible deaths, and he and God’s true flock will be at their funerals thanking the Lord for the deaths of our loved ones. He said that God taking his niece was “proof that God hates America for accepting blood of the Homosexual (and don’t forget…..and/or Jew!!)”.

When he first refused to allow his niece the blood, I thought he was of that other church who don’t accept transfusions (Seventh Day??). But his ranting & screaming about Pastor Phelps over & over….he was clearly brainwashed. He was HAPPY that a child - a little girl who’d not experienced much of life - had died. Thrilled to bits.

My brother & I (and our friend who albeit was out of it on pain-killers because of the pin placed within their leg) gave police a statement, and then just sat in stunned silence for the rest of the day.

Before going to the US, I’d heard about this sort of thing, about some group which pickets funerals, holds signs up etc, but I’d never experienced/witnessed/been a bystander to such….I don’t know what it was. 

The following weekend, WBC members were standing outside the hospital A & E wing holding signs with photos of the doctors & nurses saying that they were going to hell because America allowed hospitals to accept the blood of the Homosexual (and/or….the Jew!!). 

I cried for about two days after that. Delayed reaction maybe?? I still choke up when I think of it and in fact I am, crying now.. Sometimes when I recall these events, I fleetingly feel relieved that this girl was able to pass away in peace and without fully understanding the ugliness around her, and that she would never have to spend her childhood growing up amongst such hate-fulled ideologies. Then I feel like a horrible person for thinking and/or justifying that thought.  Maybe it’s a simplistic, naive question which cannot be answered…but why are people like her uncle??

I don’t understand.

stephen says:

05:21pm | 17/10/12

What happened next ?

acotrel says:

06:44am | 17/10/12

Deflection - yet again ?  The standard line is ‘they are all as bad as each other’ !
I will bet Bernardi gets caught somewhere with his pants down !

marley says:

07:45am | 17/10/12

@acotrel - there’s no deflection at all.  The government doesn’t support same-sex marriage;  if it did, we’d have it, just like we have the carbon tax.  It doesn’t, so we don’t.

acotrel says:

10:00am | 17/10/12

@marley
There are global and Australian imperatives which make the ‘carbon tax’ necessary.  Gay marriage won’t create complementary energy sources, or save the plant from warming.

Joel says:

12:01pm | 17/10/12

Acrotel.  Your bias is astounding. 
Fact.  Gillard and the ALP did and do not have the courage and integrity to pass this bill through the lower house as it will cost them many votes, particularly from the working class they reputedly represent.
Fact.  Apparently the “greatest moral challenge of our time”, she had to lie to the people before having the power to introduce said Carbon Tax.
Fact.  She has to create falsehoods and strawmen to distract the common folk from the disasterous policies and the extrodinary deficit she and Swan have racked up.
Our worst PM in history.  Absolute and undisputed.

marley says:

12:04pm | 17/10/12

So, why blame Bernardi because we don’t have gay marriage. It’s the government, not him, that carries the responsibility.

acotrel says:

06:46am | 17/10/12

At least most sailors wait until the ship gets out of sight of land. The same cannot be said of the clergy.

FlyOnTheWall says:

06:46am | 17/10/12

I reckon I’m a pretty average sort of “Aussie bloke” - plenty of bogan tendancies and all that.
A lot of the stereotypes are present - I drive a V8, my first house was in Sydney’s western suburbs etc etc… whilst I’m probably not a bogan in the strictest sense, I certainly know plenty of people who are… so in setting that up, I can’t think of a single person (bogan or otherwise) who is a “homophobe”. If I asked people about it, I can almost certainly tell you that people really could not give a toss with what people do in their personal lives. It’s simply a non-issue.
Of course there are relics of older times remaining on laws, and the basis for those laws in some countries, but this whole homophobia thing, in relation to Australia, is overblown. As I’ve said to my gay friends, sorry, but people just don’t give a $h!t

wakeuppls says:

07:04am | 17/10/12

You are both exaggerating the prevalence of homosexual intercourse among prison populations whilst simultaneously assuming that a prison inmate is a good barometer of the psychological predisposition of the average man. That is a lot of fail.

craig2 says:

07:06am | 17/10/12

Gobsmack: Heard that as well, however, i’m sure many of these blokes would not be looking forward to a hot sausage with sauce for breakfast or dinner some days. Get my drift

freethrow says:

07:16am | 17/10/12

Oh snap, never thought of it that way.
+1 for you.

fml says:

07:49am | 17/10/12

Anything goes in International waters, acotrel!
Anything

acotrel says:

08:17am | 17/10/12

@Fly
Have you seen the TV series ‘Keeping up appearances’ ?  That is what the homophobia is all about.

Smithy says:

10:33am | 17/10/12

@Acotrel… completely untrue. I got off in the library on Stalwart several times whilst in port. A stoker from memory.

acotrel says:

11:31am | 17/10/12

@Smithy
‘Whatever blows your hair back ! ’ but I’d watch out for those Stokers.

acotrel says:

11:38am | 17/10/12

@gobsmack
Imagine this scenario:
There is a nuclear war, and you are a survivor.  Everywhere you go is deserted, but dead bodies are everywhere drying oiut in the sun.  After a couple of years of walking around without seeing another living soul, you walk around a headland (no pun) and see way in the distance someone else walking towards you dressed as a woman.  When they get close to you you see that the person is a trannie.

Are you telling me that you wouldn’t even give them a kiss and say you were glad to see them ?

nihonin says:

11:56am | 17/10/12

lol acotrel, I reckon you were the comedian at the CFMEU dinner.

acotrel says:

06:50am | 17/10/12

No Australian political leader will ever buck the Australian Christian Lobby on gay marriage or abortion.  There is no percentage in that. A simple cost/benefit analysis shows that it is all cost and no benefit.

marley says:

07:47am | 17/10/12

The ACL is a tiny group with a loud voice and no clout.  If the political parties won’t buck it, it just goes to show their own pusillanimity.

acotrel says:

08:23am | 17/10/12

@marley
Our religous groups have the largest ‘clout’ of any. They managed to split one political party right down the middle in the fifties and get us into ten years of the dirtiest war ever. There are plenty of would-be control freaks amongst our religous in Australia.  Our town alone has 14 different religions operating - their ‘clout’ is enormous, and why would any politician irritate them ? - most of what they want is well intended and reasonable.

acotrel says:

08:31am | 17/10/12

@marley
Do the numbers.  How many gay people are there who want to marry another gay person?  How many religous people are there who oppose gay marriage, especially when the law might change ? Where are the most votes ? You are being absurd with your ‘pusillanimous’ claim.

wakeuppls says:

09:11am | 17/10/12

acotrel

Considering the extent of the mardi gras every year, I’d say the leftist support for gay marriage crushes religious fundamentalists views against it like a pancake. The reality is it keeps people occupied whilst the entire population is raped economically by new taxes and morally by real social calamity.

acotrel says:

10:07am | 17/10/12

@wakeuppls
Are you always so impressed when you see a lot of people in one place ?  There are 3 million people in Victoria alone, it is impossible for an individual to imagine what even one million of anything looks like.
There was a doco on SBS last night about WW1.  It was said that the war cost 16 million lives - it is OK when you say it fast, but what that number of people really looks like is way beyond normal comprehension.

marley says:

03:53pm | 17/10/12

@acotrel - no, you do the numbers. How many people in Australia don’t give a damn one way or the other?  Do you really think religion is so much more a factor here than in Canada or, for heavens’ sake, in Portugal, that the government dare not do something it thinks is right?  Pusillanimous is exactly the right word.

Jad Jones says:

07:10am | 17/10/12

Some things are just wrong regardless of what the majority may think.

If every non-indigenous person in this country thought that aboriginal people should be denied the right to vote it would not be right.  It may be popular but it would not be right.

The majority are quite capable of having an indefensible position.

nihonin says:

07:30am | 17/10/12

‘If every non-indigenous person in this country thought that aboriginal people should be denied the right to vote it would not be right.  It may be popular but it would not be right.’

Funny thing about your comment, I’m of Aboriginal heritage.

acotrel says:

10:25am | 17/10/12

I really don’t get it with the Russians and politics.  Why are they so deadly ? If you read about Sidney Riley and the KGB and all the subversion, the Rrussians are so expert with all that stuff.  In fact Michael Orloff in his book ’ The March of Time’, said that the Russians learned as much about intelligence in twelve years as the British did in five hundred. The Iron Curtain might be defunct, but I still don’t trust them.

acotrel says:

08:40am | 17/10/12

People like Bernardi should never be taken seriously.  He obviously has personal issues about homosexuality. To claim an association between homosexuality and bestiality shows a sick mind. And to make public statements in that vein shows he is a lunatic, and that reflects on the sanity of the whole Liberal party which accomodates him .

nihonin says:

09:02am | 17/10/12

To claim an association between competency and the current Labor government shows a sick mind. And to make public statements in that vein shows he is a lunatic.

Fixed it for you, acotrel. 

Ruby says:

09:13am | 17/10/12

“During a Senate debate yesterday, Senator Bernardi suggested legalising same-sex marriage could lead to demands to legalise bestiality and polygamy.”
The operative words were, ‘could lead’ -Do you really believe that statement is beyond the realms of possibility - I am gay and that very same thought has crossed my mind, so do you attribute the same comments you have made regarding Bernardi to me! It was not so long ago a paedophilia party was formed in Holland, albeit now defunct, but who would have thought it possible.
Also, tho’ not legal (yet) Toowoomba man marries dog; http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/toowoomba-man-marries-dog-20101201-18g5o.html

acotrel says:

10:13am | 17/10/12

@Ruby
I love my dog, but he has got bad breath. There might be something going on with him.  Whenever I lie down to do something under my bike, he tries to kiss me.  Should I be worried ? I might ring up Cory Bernardi, he might get me a job as a priest.

acotrel says:

10:17am | 17/10/12

@nihonin
‘Fixed it for you, acotrel. ‘

Kicked as soundly as a misogynist’s backside ?

nihonin says:

10:43am | 17/10/12

@acotrel
‘Kicked as soundly as a misogynist’s backside ?’

I don’t know, you can tell everyone here if it was.  You support the party which supports misogyny, so by association and your support, you must as well.

Ruby says:

11:06am | 17/10/12

@ acotrel
“I love my dog, but he has got bad breath. There might be something going on with him.  Whenever I lie down to do something under my bike, he tries to kiss me.  Should I be worried ? I might ring up Cory Bernardi, he might get me a job as a priest.”
The latter comment being nothing more than a cheap one liner ! The only other thing about your comment that worries me is your dog. If he has bad breath you are failing, miserably, in your duty of care. Perhaps you might consider a visit to the vet, she will do a good good job cleaning his teeth, for around $3-400, that will fix the problem - you should however give him a large chicken neck, daily.  You must have a strange dog, I have yet to see one that can purse it’s lips, but if he is licking, he might well be trying to rid himself of an ‘itch’  or reciprocating affection - as to who has the problem, you, or your dog, who knows!

And They Call It Puppy Love...... says:

12:44pm | 17/10/12

@ acotrel- “I love my dog, but he has got bad breath. There might be something going on with him.  Whenever I lie down to do something under my bike, he tries to kiss me”.

When my then hubby used to go on deployment with the RAAF, our furby Jake would sleep in hubby’s spot on the bed. To start with , the great lump of German Shepherd X Keplie would curl up in a ball near my feet. 

Sure enough, Jake would work his way up to certain points on the bed. As if he were pacing himself! Began on the end of the bed, then near my knees, three nights later I’d wake to find him curled up near my tummy. A week later he’d be at shoulder height.

The moment that I called it “quits” for him co-sleeping was the morning I rolled over, woke up, and found myself staring at a rather large snout and, and doggie eyes, as Jake was sleeping like a peson. He had his head on the pillow, and was stretched out on his side, the rest of his body on the bed. He’d pulled the doona up over half of him.

Whilst we were laying there, looking at each other, Jake stretched and placed his paw on my boob. Whilst still looking at me, his head laying on hubby’s pillow. I don’t know what he was doing with the other three paws.

You’ve NEVER seen anybody jump out of bed and remove a pet-dog from the bedroom so fast in your life!!

Robert Smith says:

09:40am | 17/10/12

Who are you to decide what is important and what isn’t?

wakeuppls says:

10:14am | 17/10/12

When the issue affects 1% of the population.

Robert Smith says:

11:12am | 17/10/12

Well, if it’s purely numbers you’re looking at, are you implying there are more Australian soldiers currently in war zones than there are gay people in Australia?

James1 says:

11:15am | 17/10/12

Alternatively, we could continue focusing on more than one thing at a time.

wakeuppls says:

11:30am | 17/10/12

I’m implying every taxpayer has a stake in war in Afghanistan because they fund it. No one is affected by this tripe other than a few. Pretty big difference.

wakeuppls says:

11:50am | 17/10/12

Alternatively, we could prioritise these things instead of 10 articles on gay marriage for every 1 article on illegal wars that cost billions. Or is this also unreasonable?

James1 says:

12:25pm | 17/10/12

Alternatively, you could read more things than The Punch, because despite being aware of the issues it tends to focus on, you still come here and complain about the issues that it tends to focus on, saying that it should focus instead on the minority of the world’s people that you happen to think are important.

We get it wakeuppls.  You don’t care about gay issues or gay people.  That doesn’t mean that others must agree with you.

Also, if we think of this issue in terms of individual liberty, we are all affected when a particular freedom is denied to any group.  While you personally may not intend to marry another man, your theoretical right to do so is being denied.  Here I was thinking you were a libertarian, but it now seems you have little understanding of the nature of individual liberty, especially if you think it can be dictated by what affects the majority.  Your commitment to liberty must be pretty shallow if it only extends to issues that affect 50 percent plus one of the population.

Robert Smith says:

01:04pm | 17/10/12

Is anyone stopping you from writing such an article?

wakeuppls says:

01:36pm | 17/10/12

If it was about individual liberty you wouldn’t be begging the government to solve your problems. No, it’s about stamping your feet until mummy gives you what you want. It’s about time people got real. The Punch is a clear extension and a good example of this.

James1 says:

04:18pm | 17/10/12

Now you’re not even making sense. How would you recommend a gay person pursue the freedom to get married if the state currently deems such an activity illegal?

nihonin says:

07:44am | 17/10/12

Super D, you’ll hurt their collective brains and make their arguments null and void, with your logical explanations and the truth.

Kiddo says:

08:41am | 17/10/12

SuperD +1

gobsmack says:

09:12am | 17/10/12

Except that gay couples do adopt children.

acotrel says:

10:15am | 17/10/12

I am married, and I don’t care who else gets married as long as they love one another.

Ren says:

09:01am | 17/10/12

Not giving a rat’s arse is worlds apart from being irrationally afraid of gay rights. If only more people were like you. Then these laws would be passed, gays could marry and no one would blink an eye.

wakeuppls says:

10:27am | 17/10/12

Laws being passed because no one gives a shit. Yeah, that’s exactly the problem with this society. If no one gives a shit about an issue, that doesn’t give legislators free reign to do as they please.

AliceC says:

09:08am | 17/10/12

Being gay is not a choice Jenny

Robert Smith says:

09:42am | 17/10/12

Sorry, who’s making an issue out of nothing? The people vehemently up in arms about ‘gay propaganda’ or the people who are offended by that?

glenm says:

01:43pm | 17/10/12

Sorry AliceC but you can choose to be “gay” if you wish, you can also be sad, tired, clever or funny. Time to start discussing the real issue , when can the hetrosexual community have thier word back.

nihonin says:

08:18am | 17/10/12

’ He looks like a jolly chap.  It’s udderly ridiculous.  We should just mooove on.’

I wish we cud as well.

Sharon says:

08:32am | 17/10/12

+1 Excellent analysis!

Since when are naturally occurring rainbows seen to represent homosexual rights and nothing BUT homosexual rights anyway? Can’t the rainbows just get some peace?

'Happy' Rainbow Warrior says:

10:07am | 17/10/12

‘Since when are naturally occurring rainbows seen to represent homosexual rights and nothing BUT homosexual rights anyway?’

Since forever!!!!!

Robert Smith says:

09:44am | 17/10/12

“Homophobia is a range of negative attitudes and feelings toward homosexuality or people who are identified or perceived as being lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender (LGBT)”

Fi says:

10:56am | 17/10/12

It’s been found that the fastest growing group of HIV individuals are straight people. Explain that.

And also, I don’t see how you cannot see that a group that seeks equal rights and status for women may also feel that other people also would benefit from equal rights .

andye says:

12:52pm | 17/10/12

Some feminists are gay.

Peter Scott says:

09:00am | 17/10/12

Never let the facts get in the way of a good moronic rant. I suppose the fact that in Africa and Europe the majority of people who are carriers of hiv are heterosexual really makes you look like a fool

JC says:

09:15am | 17/10/12

Yeah, because we all know that only the gay can catch it.

Tom says:

09:16am | 17/10/12

Yep, we should deter people from expressing themselves and their sexuality instead of promoting safe sex and healthy living #sarcasm

fml says:

09:19am | 17/10/12

Hanzel,

Stop having sex, you might get an STD.

Robert Smith says:

09:47am | 17/10/12

Haha, might want to check your facts a bit closer next time - the fastest growing group of new HIV diagnoses are heterosexuals (although homosexuals still form a larger proportion of the total).

Hanzel says:

10:33am | 17/10/12

Read the report Hipsters, particularly the part about how it’s been driven by increases among gay men - I’ll check back in for your apologies. It feels good to apologise, just as it feels good to forgive, as I’ve forgiven y’all for your audacious responses.

fml says:

11:17am | 17/10/12

Hanzel,

Unless you have gay sex, what does it matter then?

Robert Smith says:

11:31am | 17/10/12

http://www.kirby.unsw.edu.au/sites/hiv.cms.med.unsw.edu.au/files/hiv/resources/2012AnnualSurvReport.pdf

I have read the report. Page 35. HIV exposure category (%).

2002: MSM 77.6%, heterosexual contact 10.6%
2011: MSM 71%, heterosexual contact 23.3%

Notice how the proportion of cases from homosexual contact is decreasing and the proportion from heterosexual contact is rapidly increasing? Stop trying to bend the facts to suit your worldview.

andye says:

12:54pm | 17/10/12

@Hanzel - If we ban all forms of sex and only procreate with turkey basters, that will save even more lives.

nihonin says:

01:48pm | 17/10/12

Now I wonder, what made andye use Turkey Basters in his comment.  Why not blow up dolls?

JC says:

09:27am | 17/10/12

No, most aren’t oversensitive. The issue is you get a very small group that go too far and of course this makes the headlines, so in turn we are all see to hold these views and painted with the same brush.

Robert Smith says:

09:49am | 17/10/12

You seem to be implying that ‘gays’ are the only ones offended by your bullshit. The author is not gay, I’m not gay, and the majority of people who support gay rights are not gay.

K2 says:

10:47am | 17/10/12

Kev the interesting thing about using the word “bigot” is that the act of calling someone else one, makes the person calling them a bigot, also a bigot.  Just something to think about. (This cuts both ways)

andye says:

12:56pm | 17/10/12

@Kev - “Oh please. If you so much as sneeze in the wrong direction or manner you are branded a homophobe.”

Haha, spoken like a homophobe in denial. I and many other manage to get through life without sneezing in the wrong direction. Why do you have so much trouble? Must be the gays. It couldn’t possibly be anything to do with you, right?

Kev says:

02:48pm | 17/10/12

Andye - So it’s my fault that the simple act of disagreeing with gay marriage offends them? Spoken like a typical gay marriage supporter.

andye says:

03:35pm | 17/10/12

@Kev - “So it’s my fault that the simple act of disagreeing with gay marriage offends them?”

LOL, no. I read your first post, remember? I am assuming they have issue with you because you come across as an overbearing jerk.

Fi says:

10:53am | 17/10/12

Uh, the editors write the titles, not the journalists.

And if you didn’t connect the milking with, oh, the bit where this article is talking about milk… you’re a bit slow.

K2 says:

11:22am | 17/10/12

Fi I got it, but you seem to think it’s innocently done without any intent at inuendo.

This is the problem, any discussion regarding homosexuality is always framed in reference to the act, usually through inuendo as you see in the title.  Please don’t try to tell me its not a double entendre, you’re kidding yourself if you think its not.  I’m saying that if we can move past the reference to sexual acts, and focus on the fact that its two humans that love each other (in AND out of the bedroom) then maybe we can remove alot of the emotive discussion that is dredged up by making the inuendo to begin with. 

What the inuendo does is tap into the primal feeling (revulsion or elation) at the sexual act and then frames the discussion around the act, instead of the fact that its two (or a colelctive of) humans having their right to freedom of expression, and their right to persuit of happiness squashed.

I put it to you, that inuendo does not help.  I think you need to take a step back did you really need to say “you’re slow” was the personal attack really necessary?

Fi says:

01:03pm | 17/10/12

Milking = milk

I’m sorry if you don’t get that, I really don’t read innuendo on this at all.

For Fi says:

01:24pm | 17/10/12

A double entendre is a figure of speech in which a spoken phrase is devised to be understood in either of two ways. Often the first (more obvious) meaning is straightforward, while the second meaning is less so: often risqué or ironic.

The Oxford English Dictionary defines a double entendre as especially being used to “convey an indelicate meaning.” It may be used to express potentially offensive opinions without the risks of explicitly doing so.

A double entendre may exploit puns to convey the second meaning. Double entendres generally rely on multiple meanings of words, or different interpretations of the same primary meaning. They often exploit ambiguity and may be used to introduce it deliberately in a text. Sometimes a homophone (i.e. a different spelling that yields the same pronunciation) can be used as a pun as well as a “double entendre” of the subject.

A person who is unfamiliar with the hidden or alternative meaning of a sentence may fail to detect its innuendos, aside from observing that others find it humorous for no apparent reason. Perhaps because it is not offensive to those who do not recognize it, innuendo is often used in sitcoms and other comedy considered suitable for children, who may enjoy the comedy while being oblivious to its second meanings.

K2 says:

01:43pm | 17/10/12

Fi just because you don’t read the inuendo doesn’t mean its not there.

Watch any “kids” movie these days - for example spongebob squarepants is full of inuendo.  Ice Age - plenty of it in there.  Kids don’t get it, but it’s there none the less.

Willie says:

03:17pm | 17/10/12

I wonder what the protien content of gay milk is.

K2 says:

04:20pm | 17/10/12

Depends if it gets past your eyes’d or not, and also if its per-me-mate or free.

Lived/Studied in Cuba Love It Not a KFC McDeath or says:

02:51pm | 17/10/12

Shifty? Or perhaps it’s a look of pain rather than shiftiness.

Can’t trust those Russians!! Possibly the relics & war-heads of the Cuban Missile Crisis are hidden amongst the udders.
Look hard and one might find JFK there too. With Marilyn.

marley says:

12:08pm | 17/10/12

Actually, you’ve got it backwards.  The Orthodox Church has always been a servant and tool of the State, never its master.  Stalin only revived the Church when he needed some sort of emblem to rally support for the Red Army and the fight against the Germans.  Today, the State has revived the old tsarist tactic of using the Church to keep the masses in line.  Underneath that though, it’s not the Church destroying secular democracy (such as it is) in Russia;  it’s the State doing it, using the Church as its puppet.