ALMOST 70 per cent of men say that a woman’s face is much more important than her breasts, legs or figure, a Punch survey of male attitudes on female body image has found.

We love your faces…and other shock findings.

And almost two-thirds of men believe that women spend far too much time worrying about their appearance, and should spend less time fretting about what men think - because you are all much hotter than you think you are.

The Punch has today assembled this special package of pieces about female body image through the eyes of blokes. Much of it is framed around our 100-man survey, but also includes columnist Joe Hildebrand talking about his love of fat chicks and former Zoo Weekly online editor Chris Deal’s essay on why men are as dumb as you probably suspect they are.

We were moved to embark on this project because the one missing feature from the important national debate about female body image is that at no stage has anybody asked the blokes what they think.

It’s a pity - because there is now some interesting evidence that women are laying a serious guilt-trip on themselves and reinforcing stereotypes about their size and shape which have absolutely no bearing on whether men find them attractive or not.

The Punch has now invited blokes into the conversation, polling 100 men for their views on everything from body shape and size to photo retouching, plus-size models, personal grooming and pornography.

While not quite a clarion call for the women of Australia to throw out their makeup, schlep around in tracky dacks and generally let themselves go, the findings suggest that women should as a starting point stop fixating and fretting about appearance - and take comfort in the fact that most men want a girl with a pretty face and a nice personality, rather than some foxy airhead with perfect breasts and a stick-thin figure.

Far from it.

Broken down into the following categories, these are the key findings from the survey. It was anonymous meaning all the men could answer honestly.

APPEARANCE: Men are much more attracted to a woman’s face than any other part of her body - 68 per cent of men surveyed said they looked for a pretty face, just 8 per cent said great breasts, 8 per cent nice legs, and 16 per cent a perfect fat-free figure. In terms of ranking the importance of overall qualities, not one man said appearance was the most important - 24 per cent cited personality as the most important, with 76 per cent citing personality and appearance in equal measure.

HAIR, OUTFITS, AND HONESTY: Just over half the men surveyed (56 per cent) said they immediately noticed if their wife or girlfriend had a new haircut or outfit. 38 per cent said they “eventually” realised and 6 per cent said they sometimes never realised. As to the question every man fears - “does my bum look big in this? - it seems there is little point even asking, with 52 per cent of men saying they never tell the truth when asked.

RETOUCHED PHOTOS AND PLUS-SIZE MODELS: The current issue of the Womens Weekly featuring a natural and untouched photo of Sarah Murdoch was a mystery to most men, with 54 per cent saying they would not have realised the picture had not been retouched if not for the coverage it received. We also showed the men a photo of plus-size model Laura Wells, a size 16, and 58 per cent of them described her as normal looking, 16 per cent as really hot, and just 26 per cent as overweight.

WOMEN’S VIEWS ON MEN: Interestingly, men think women are more turned on by a good physique than they are. Asked which physical qualities they thought women looked for in men, 41 per cent said a handsome face, closely followed by 36 per cent saying a good physique. Perhaps explaining why Advanced Hair Studios is such a good business, 18 men said they thought women liked them for a good head of hair, just one bloke ticked “well-endowed” (and was probably bragging), and four of them said they couldn’t think of anything about male appearance which women would find attractive, one of them writing: “frankly I can’t understand why lesbianism isn’t more popular.”

PORNOGRAPHY: Probably unsurprisingly, the takeout from this question is that it’s best not to check the history on your bloke’s laptop, as 78 per cent of men said they sometimes looked at it. 74 per cent said they regarded porn as harmless provided the women were over 18 and had not been coerced into taking part, with just 26 per cent saying it was demeaning to women. Many of the men also wrote on their surveys that they regarded themselves as hypocrites. There was no direct overlap between the men who regarded porn as demeaning and did not look at porn. About 15 men replied that they regarded porn as demeaning but still looked at it anyway, with roughly the same number saying they thought it was harmless, but did not look at it.

Of all the many comments which the guys typed in the margins, one struck me as being obviously the soppiest but probably the truest - “i could tick every box for their physical qualities but the greatest physical attraction of all is being in love with someone.”

At the other end of the spectrum - and the one respondent who as a total exhibitionist has surrendered his anonymity - was Daily Telegraph columnist and Punch film reviewer Joe Hildebrand, who answered “great breasts” to every question, even the one about which qualities women looked for in men.

Read Joe Hildebrand’s love letter to fat chicks here.

Read Chris Deal’s essay on male dumbness here.

Read the survey in full here.

And if you are a chick, stop worrying so much.

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    • Barbara Flowers says:

      07:47am | 16/11/09

      I think this is a little disingenuous when all of my life (over 60 years) I’ve listened to men make observations to me about my body, and have also freely commented to me about the bodies of other women.  Guys - I don’t think you’re even aware you do it.

    • James Shaw says:

      07:59am | 16/11/09

      In my experience this is just not true. Men love slim, sexy and busty women. Sorry girls but you want to look great, put down the pizza and hit the stair master!

    • Sophie says:

      08:01am | 16/11/09

      Finally a survey that seems slightly credible. Thanks.
      Here’s a hypothetical: what would women’s magazines be like if they were edited by heterosexual men?

    • benough says:

      08:07am | 16/11/09

      Is that The Punch’s Chris Deal wedged firmly between those two fine asses?

      It’s good to see that someone is consulting the people who seem to be the reason why women fret so much about themselves but did we not put them there? Else was it the women themselves that somehow created this seemingly unattainable level of body image.

      I’m interested in the idea that if Men made a concerted effort to sya to women, “Yes your face is pretty and you’re body is great in my mind” would the body image issue slowly melt away?

    • SD says:

      08:09am | 16/11/09

      “And almost two-thirds of men believe that women spend far too much time worrying about their appearance, and should spend less time fretting about what men think”

      Are two thirds of men really so naive to believe that women worry about what WE think? Classic.

      Women don’t dress or worry for men - they know that we will be interested no matter what. Women dress for other women.

    • Gregory says:

      08:14am | 16/11/09

      I think the idea of a magazine edited by men for women is a genius idea. But then again it wouldnt work, women don’t want to know they are good looking or a healthy nice weight. They want their self esteem to be continually subject to ridicule because they love living in a fantasy world with bone skinny models and celebrities. If everything was all good and women had good self esteems, and knew they were good looking and liked by men, the world would probably explode.

    • Brad says:

      08:23am | 16/11/09

      What this survey doesn’t tell you is while a lot of men don’t care in minor details about things like brests legs body shape etc a lot of men care about appearance. If you put some time into your body (eat well and exercise when you can) and time into your appearance, (if you haven’t got time to style your hair just have it neat and again with makeup you don’t need a clown face just a little foundation if you’re in a rush) a good appearance doesn’t take a lot of money it takes a little effort. It’s the little things that go a long way

    • thea says:

      08:23am | 16/11/09

      26% only for personality- and the rest spread over legs-breasts-and face? Translated that means roughly 6 or more men in ten are on the hunt for a woman who wears a good bra, dresses well, shaves and moisturises legs, exercises regularly, gets facials, uses good cleaning products, eats well and learns to put on good makeup and at the beginning is blessed by good genes!
      This is not achieved in cyber space time. It takes effort,  money, concentration, dedication and real TIME. Conclusions? Wording of interpretation of stats is ” cooked”. Men DO concentrate on visuals…...then they fall in love, THEN they say “she has a lovely personality”....pah, humbug

    • Heather says:

      08:26am | 16/11/09

      Who cares if men comment on women’s bodies? I comment all the time on men’s bodies AND women’s bodies…so what? There’s nothing more attractive than a fit, toned person, of whatever age and sex. Also, of course men, *heterosexual* men that is, don’t like models; I’m 50, lived all over the world, and NEVER met a straight man who thought a 6 foot tall anorexic teenager was sexy.

    • Calli Brown says:

      08:28am | 16/11/09

      If you men are so lovely and supportive of our bodies, why do almost three-quarters think pornography is harmless? I can’t imagine the appearance & body shapes chosen for porn mags and videos celebrates “real” looking women.

    • Chris says:

      08:36am | 16/11/09

      Shows how Shallow you are james.  What a joke of a comment!

    • Marco says:

      08:42am | 16/11/09

      Interesting—no man mentioned morals and values as of importance ( unless you lump that into personality)

    • n says:

      08:43am | 16/11/09

      Sigh. Just another version of “what men find hot and how you can make yourself hotter for men”. What’s with the completely gratuitous picture that goes against what you’re saying? And the language you’ve used to describe women - chicks and fat chicks - shows that you really don’t get it. Time to saddle up my high horse again.

    • ?? says:

      08:53am | 16/11/09

      if men admit that appearance is most important for all women. it ok to say that its not only important for men to be very handsome, but tall and rich as well ?? these are the qualities of a real man that every woman seeks. unfortunately, to get all of these, its is nearly impossible.

    • DG says:

      09:05am | 16/11/09

      @Barbara Flowers (08:47am | 16/11/09)

      I’m not completely sure what you meant when you said men make observations all the time. But in response: There is a substantial difference between making observations and genuinely caring about something. A guy may make ‘observations’ without any indication that it is something that he would even consider in a potential partner - even if he finds it aesthetically pleasing. I have gay friends that make observations about physical attributes of women - I’m positive that they don’t mean anything from their observations.
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      @Sophie (09:01am | 16/11/09)

      Much the same as they are now. They would still be trying to sell the magazines to women. The editor decides the contents of a magazine based on what will sell lots of copies (i.e knowing the market).

      ——

      I suspect that the reason that men aren’t asked about such things is because no one really cares what men think about it - Women don’t care because they are competing with each for what they think a woman should be, men don’t care because they think it’s petty and pointless.

      I tend to agree “i could tick every box for their physical qualities but the greatest physical attraction of all is being in love with someone” - if a bloke is in love with someone he really isn’t that interested in one particular physical attribute. Once they start worrying about particular attributes they are pursuing an ‘idea’ rather than showing a genuine interest in the partner.

    • Jen says:

      09:07am | 16/11/09

      Sorry, but if I hadn’t spent years listening to men make editorial comments on the figures of women, I might believe you. As it is, I think your survey participants are either lying to you or themselves. “She’s a fat chick”, “She’d be hot if it weren’t for her bum”, “Pity she’s got no tits” and on and on, never mind the amazing screed of insults should someone decline to shave their legs/armpits for five minutes. Please. The women’s mags do indeed do a lot of damage, but if you guys think a few articles telling us we’re beautiful is going to have any impact, you’re wrong.

      Try telling blokes not to make nasty comments to women they see in the street that might be a bit more useful, and try telling the editors of Zoo and Ralph (whose editor I once saw opining that large nipples on women were “freaky”. Thanks for that mate. Can we see yours now so that we might judge them?) that their endless airbrushing isn’t helping. And try taking a second yourselves before you make an editorial comment on someone’s figure.

    • Sara says:

      09:18am | 16/11/09

      My partner says this to me all the time ‘you look fine the way you are’ and ‘why do you care so much about what other people think? It’s not a fashion parade’

    • MR says:

      09:25am | 16/11/09

      Interesting Survey. I must say my tastes have changed during the years. In my 20’s I craved and went after gorgeous women (what ever the package) , in my 30’s smart and beautiful women were my passion. Now married and in my 40’s I’ve realized the overall package is what is important. Not too fat, not too thin and definitely not stupid and yes facial features are extremely important. You guys should do a survey on what guys and girls actually dislike in each others physical and mental features - this would be more insightful.

    • Ryan says:

      09:35am | 16/11/09

      Women, here is a tip, beautify yourself for yourself, if you are happy and know yourself and are happy with who you are then men will find you attractive. The right type of man that is, the ones that are keepers, not the superficial turds who will never be faithful and inevitably end up divorced. - Nosce te ipsum

    • Heléna says:

      09:43am | 16/11/09

      @Barbara Flowers - not to mention that we women comment and talk about men’s and women’s bodies/faces just as much - we all do it - it is what it is

    • Edward says:

      09:46am | 16/11/09

      I always wonder if the reason why skinny stick thin models are the go because of guys - guys who like guys and want the girls to look like guys not wonderfully shapely women who feel great when you cuddle, not like they need a night at Maccas to have something to hold on to or that they will break because there is next to nothing there.

      I also think SD and Gregory got it right - it’s not about what blokes think

    • A bloke says:

      09:47am | 16/11/09

      Laura Wells is HOT

    • Barbara Flowers says:

      09:48am | 16/11/09

      Hello DG.  My observation was really to emphasise the constant physical attention women get, attention which can be either negative or positive.  Either way it makes us VERY conscious of our appearance. In fact it isn’t such a long time since wolf whistling or negative cracks were bellowed publicly by men in the streets, but thankfully that has stopped.  It’s not a kind of scrutiny that men have applied to them, at least not to the extent that it has always been normal for women.  Of course we women like and don’t like certain attributes of men.  I’m not attracted by overweight men, however I wouldn’t say this directly to a man who was.  I think the difference is that men, at least in my experience, have felt quite free to observe what they did and didn’t like about me and that can have quite a harsh effect on girls as they grow up. (Yes, it starts as early as 13 or 14).

    • Tony S says:

      09:56am | 16/11/09

      Why do people continue to go to the extremes when commenting on this topic? Why do women continue to say they are sick of size 4 models on cat walks and demand size 16 women? Is there no middle ground, after all these models are meant to be at the top end of the scale, not your average woman?

      A bit of reasonableness in this argument is definitely needed. Maybe size 4 models are too small however in reality glamour models aren’t size 4 anyway. Take the Victoria Secret models that are definitely not that small. They look to be a very lean and healthy size 8. They look perfect with slight curves, definitely not underweight. I think most people agree is the most desirable appearance and not at the extremes that always seem to be recited.

      I don’t think many men find a very, very skinny 6 foot tall woman attractive but say a lean, athletic size 8 model is certainly very desirable. Let’s not fall for PC and say just because size four is out we have to promote obesity with size 14 plus models. Size 14 plus is not healthy or desirable so why would people want to look at that sort of model and why should it be promoted?

    • Mike says:

      09:56am | 16/11/09

      I believe that looks is such a small thing. I dated a really hot, stunning woman. However, she was so shallow and painful that i ended up finding her soo ugly. Same way, some lager women who i know i find really attractive becuase they can hold a conversation and know how to have fun, dont get caught up in looks. Porn??? 76% of men like Porn, the other 24% are liars. Porn is a touchy subject. But i like porn, my wife does not mind. It is fantasy land. You are not having an affair, nor are you going to leave your wife for a porn star. Same as women watch movies becuae a guy is hot. it is all fantasy. Women, whatever you have, Flaunt it!!!!!! Guys will love you for you, if not, they are a Dickhead and not worth the air they breathe. Be honest and upfront, and life is too short to spend it being miserable about your appearance. Go out and enjoy your life, and you will find, if you are having fun, you will feel better about yourself and your body will follow.

    • paully says:

      09:57am | 16/11/09

      Yes, BUT slim/skinny women are great to look at. Unfortunately these women blow out to size 12/14/16 + and it is bad for them and bad for us men to look at.

    • Kel says:

      09:57am | 16/11/09

      Yeah but were these blokes being really honest or just saying what they thought we’d like to hear so they don’t sound like a bunch of asses? Let’s face it, men will say whatever it takes to get their end in. I’m afraid I agree with Jen on this one. I’m sure there’s fatty porn mags around but I don’t see them sitting on the local newsagent racks .... nobody likes to admit they have a fatchick porn fetish now do they? Imagine explaining that one to your mates?

    • Simon B says:

      10:07am | 16/11/09

      Personally I stopped read Ralph and have barely bother with Zoo, most of the people that you see reading there publications have physical issues (man boobs) and aren’t “smooth” in their social dealing with women. Personally I would rather look at Playboy as they rarely butcher a photo to make women have an alien-altered like state. Sophie Dahl was truely sexy, but again another woman who lost her weight. A woman who is confident is the most amazing thing, whether she be a size 0 of size 20.

    • Nick says:

      10:12am | 16/11/09

      1 RULE: Men like HEALTHY women - it’s simply natural selection.

    • Rodgy says:

      10:14am | 16/11/09

      Um - so why then show some skinny perfect asses to get attention to this rather sad article ??? Yawn !!!!

    • Anita says:

      10:17am | 16/11/09

      I’d like to know where all these men are who like ‘real’ women…and what exactly does a ‘real’ woman look like?  Not only is what you look like an issue but as someone once said: the last chance a woman has to date a man her own age is 30. After that they all want women 10-20 years younger than them, and here’s the kicker - they think that they will attract these young, slim women. No matter that they are middle aged and paunchy. I think that the respondents to this survey are trying to be PC in print but probably aren’t so PC in practice…pardon my cynicism.

    • Melinda says:

      10:24am | 16/11/09

      Nothing can sum up all men.  I’d say a majority of men are well described in the survey.

    • Frankie4Fingers says:

      10:26am | 16/11/09

      I like big butts & I can not lie!!

    • Zucchini says:

      10:27am | 16/11/09

      Considering that 26% of men = 15 men (refer to the section about pornography), I don’t think that the selection pool is broad enough to provide an accurate generalisation.  Less than 100 men surveyed.. yes, tell women what they want to hear, is this an effort to shut them up about their own disatisfaction with their bodies? not gonna work. I’m 27 year old mother of two, no stretch marks, I have abs, I can pull off a bikini, my boobs don’t look like a tennis ball in a sock and I still am not comfortable with myself. There’s no accounting for female (or male) delusion. There is no general consensus, no matter to what group your body fits in to; bony, thin, skinny, average, ‘curvy’, plus size or obese.. someone somewhere find you attractive, these surveys are pointless and easily controlled to come to a conclusion that is predictable from a simple glance at the selection pool, and ultimately, tell us what we want to hear. Epic fail.

    • Sophie says:

      10:44am | 16/11/09

      Having been fat and thin (and now somewhere in between) I got propositioned more when I was on the fatter side - when I was least content with ‘my perception’ of how I looked.

      Working in TV I have heard the same male magazine banter “great tits shame about the face’... ‘great looking but too old’... ‘stunner but can’t string two words together’...

      I’ve also heard magazine people rant about ‘healthy size models’ and the benefits of botox and breast enhancement, espousing right-on views about women’s body image - while themselves maintaing anorexic figures.

      Deep down I’m a rad-fem but the simple message to all the ladies out there reading this is simple - lots of men like big bums and curves - many of them actually tell us this and we don’t believe them. Ask yourself this - who has the problem with body image?

    • AL says:

      10:44am | 16/11/09

      Not loving the choice of picture ...

    • Bella says:

      10:54am | 16/11/09

      Fat women will never be attractive, no matter how much they delude themselves otherwise.

    • Frances says:

      10:58am | 16/11/09

      “We were moved to embark on this project because the one missing feature from the important national debate about female body image is that at no stage has anybody asked the blokes what they think.”

      Do you understand how petulant that statement sounds? All this talk about how women feel about themselves and noone asked meeeeeeee.

      It’s possible that men haven’t been asked because a woman’s body image should not be tied to what men find attractive. This isn’t about you - this is about us.

    • Steve says:

      11:18am | 16/11/09

      I’d say pretty much everything in the article is right on the money as far as I’m concerned. I’ve personally never found the typical ‘model’ look to be very attractive. Sure I think a pretty face is attractive but as far as bodies I’ve always found that healthy is attractive. Pretty much any woman can look attractive if she’s in shape. When I say in shape I mean fit and healthy, not anorexic.
      The typical model always seems rather boring and flat chested to me. Not that I have anything against woman who are naturally less curvy but the idea that that’s all men want it rubbish.
      To be honest, men do make a big deal about women’s bodies but usually it’s just talk. Kind of like that’s what we’re supposed to say so you just go along with it. Like we’re meant to think our dreamgirl looks like the cover of ralph even if we’re more likely to think that’s just plain trashy. You ask a man honestly what they find attractive, if you get an honest answer then it will be much like what’s in the article.

    • leonora says:

      11:21am | 16/11/09

      By far the most attractive part of a woman (and a man) is the bit between the ears.

      Why does it seem so hard for either sex to work that out?

    • Bateman says:

      11:23am | 16/11/09

      This all depends on who you talk to and who you survey.

      A low paid labourer from Penrith is going to have much lower standards than a highly paid alpha banker or lawyer from Double Bay.

      It depends on which end of the market you want to pitch yourself. The higher end with the banker or the lower end with the labourer. If you’re not much to look at then a nice personality won’t overcome that for the banker. The labourer will have lower standards and may accept those “imperfections”.

    • EM says:

      11:25am | 16/11/09

      “We also showed the men a photo of plus-size model Laura Wells, a size 16, and 58 per cent of them described her as normal looking”

      Of course they said she looked normal.  Normal in Australia these days is fat.  Just because you look normal doesn’t mean you look good.  If you look like Laura then you need to eat better food and exercise more; while you’re at it you might like stop kidding yourself that it’s ok to fat.

    • Heather M says:

      11:26am | 16/11/09

      I find the whole rationale for this survey completely ridiculous. You surveyed 100 men about female body image because: “the one missing feature from the important national debate about female body image is that at no stage has anybody asked the blokes what they think.”

      Umm, why do we need to? Isn’t body image how females think and feel about their own bodies - why exactly do we need to hear what men think about them? Aren’t we actively TOLD what blokes think about female bodies every single day when male dominated advertising, media and entertainment industries perpetuate very narrow definitions of what is an “acceptable” female body image? Why is there any need to ask when the male voice, gaze and opinion is the default anyway?

      After talking about how most men love ‘fat chicks’ and care more about pretty faces and personalities then figures, you say that while it’s “not quite a clarion call for the women of Australia to throw out their makeup, schlep around in tracky dacks and generally let themselves go, the findings suggest that women should as a starting point stop fixating and fretting about appearance.”

      How are we supposed to stop fretting about our appearance when the very SUGGESTION that we not wear makeup and wear comfortable clothing is deemed as “letting ourselves go” and therefore “schleppy”?? In one paragraph you say we are laying a “serious guilt trip” on ourselves, in the other you prop up the sexist standards that make women feel so insecure and “fretful” about their appearance.

      Now I’m confused about what I’m supposed to do - chill out and stop obsessing over my appearance (no one likes a neurotic chick), or wax my legs and wear more make up? I just thank my lucky stars you’ve asked all these men what I should do with my body, so I don’t have to think for myself (after all, thinking gives you wrinkles!).

    • MurphyTheElf says:

      11:29am | 16/11/09

      If overweight women spent as much time working on their bodies as they did talking about them, then we’d be living in a wonderland of toight bodies. Also, women are far more critical of themselves than men will ever be - forfty percent of people know that.

    • Leah says:

      11:37am | 16/11/09

      thea, you just cooked your own stats. Having a pretty face does not mean wearing makeup, having facials, exfoliating, etc. Nice legs does not automatically = shaving and moisturising every day. A woman can have nice legs but allow them to get a bit furry if she doesn’t shave for a week raspberry You can have a pretty face without using makeup every day.

      Men are hardwired as being visually attracted. That’s fine. As long as they are not making if the #1 priority. It’s fine if a guy rates nice legs as a priority, as long as he realises personality and character is *more* important.

      Anita… why would a guy try to be PC in an anonymous survey??

      And to Kel and Jen - you know why the porn magazines only have the size 6 skinny models? Because that’s what guys go for when they are after sex only. (Generally. Of course there are exceptions). When they are looking for an actual relationship, they will be looking for a woman with personality and character, and the physical attributes will come second.

      Marco - perhaps the blokes weren’t asked about morals and values. They can only respond in line with what they were asked.

    • NCG says:

      11:49am | 16/11/09

      I like to subscribe to the Ron White theory with women / mate selection. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gxKStPXyn8

      You can have work done to fix any part of the anatomy (breasts, face, stomach, etc), but you can’t fix stupid. I like women that stimulate the mind as much as the body. End of the day, looks are fleeting, and as that Ralph / Zoo cover girl deteriorates into a saggy image of her former self; can she engage in meaningful, interesting conversation?

      In my experience, the most gorgeous woman are often the least interesting (sorry for the sweeping generalisation). I attribute this mainly to the fact that everything in life is quite easy, just a flutter the eyelashes or a bit of extra visible cleavage and doors magically open. Each to there own I guess.

    • Jen says:

      11:57am | 16/11/09

      @Leah er,  yes. I wasn’t suggesting that men didn’t find those girls hot. I was disagreeing with the suggestion that they didn’t.

      And it’s funny that you say that having nice legs doesn’t mean shaving every day… and then make an “ew, gross” face a few words later at the very thought.

    • AF says:

      12:02pm | 16/11/09

      Can we please define what is skinny and what is fat? Some women are size 14 due to wide hips and a big bust but have virtually no fat on them. Someone else can be a size 8 but have a muffin top - tell me what is more attractive?

    • CJ says:

      12:11pm | 16/11/09

      I seriously believe these days the under 30 crowd are wearing ridiculously revealing clothes for no reason.  If you’re at the beach or pool, then sure, but at the bar how about putting some damn clothes on?

      I’m talkin’ to you Freo on a Saturday night.

    • Tony S says:

      12:17pm | 16/11/09

      Further to my previous comment, the problem is demonstrated once again on this board with those people criticising the picture due to the women being “stick thin”.

      Anyone who says that the two women in the photo above are stick thin is delusional about a healthy body. If I had to guess the dress size of these women I’d say they one in black underwear was a 10 -12 and the one in white underwear is 8-10. That is hardly “stick thin” like some of the girls in the fashion industry

      The women in the pictures are healthy and athletic women and anyone who claims they are too small should really have a look at whether they are indeed in a healthy weight range. Crazy comments!

    • Beholder says:

      12:34pm | 16/11/09

      The three, and only three, definite deal-breakers for me are grossly obese, intimate or nipple piercings and tattoos.  Otherwise attractiveness is all about the woman’s personality and intelligence.

    • DG says:

      12:57pm | 16/11/09

      @Barbara Flowers (10:48am | 16/11/09)

      I agree that men are more up front about it (possibly not the politest thing to do) but women are the same towards males, in behaviour rather than words - and while they don’t say it, the damage is the same.

      The perfect example if the guy that’s got plenty of female friends but never a girlfriend. All of this girls tell him that he’s a great guy but they all know that he’s too ugly or doesn’t have the right social status to get a date. They wont tell him that, the’ll just tell him he’s great and when he asks for more they throw out the “we’ve got such a great friendship….”

      So women might not say it directly, but the reality is that the fat/ugly blokes are still ignored - and they know it’s because of their appearance. It doesn’t matter how they come to know it, the damage come from knowing that you are too unattractive to be of interest to the other sex (which matters to guys).

    • Dave says:

      01:09pm | 16/11/09

      “58 per cent of them described her as normal looking” - Just because she looks normal doesn’t mean she ISN’T fat, especially considering the norm in Australia is overweight. And honestly, it sounds like the surveyed 100 gay (or old) men. Sorry.

    • Gwen says:

      01:14pm | 16/11/09

      I want to see this survey done BIGGER.

      I’m a young woman, and although part of me knows I’m good looking, have things going for me, and then men don’t really care what my body looks like so long as they can see my boobs, I STILL can’t convince myself that anyone will like me if I don’t lose 7 kilos and tighten myself up. I disgust myself!  And that lack of confidence is the killer. ugh.

    • Xapper says:

      01:22pm | 16/11/09

      Honestly, what men find attractive varies so much. Each guy has his own personal taste, just like each woman does. As long as that hip-waist ratio is 0.7 in women, men will like it and a dash of front/confidence. I’ve seen women uglier than last night’s rubbish score some amazing men. Front and some intelligence* does help.

      * Not too much, then a guy will find her threatening.

    • BadDave says:

      01:27pm | 16/11/09

      You don’t have to try too hard to look healthy and to project a positive nature - things both sexes respond to well. When you do try too hard though (as with gym-junkies or plainly contrived happiness), it comes across as obssesive and false. Myself, I like a woman with curves (ah, volutptuous!), don’t mind the feel of occasional stuble on their legs (it can be sexy), love them wearing dresses (or anything feminine), but am absolutely enamoured by a mind of imagination and depth.  Obviously, it’s a relative concept, otherwise we’d all be after the same type of person’

    • iansand says:

      01:47pm | 16/11/09

      Posture - it’s how people signal to the world how they feel about themselves.

    • BFG says:

      02:00pm | 16/11/09

      AF says: 01:02pm | 16/11/09
      Can we please define what is skinny and what is fat? Some women are size 14 due to wide hips and a big bust but have virtually no fat on them.

      AF is completely correct.  I personally know Laura Wells and I guarantee you if your saw her in the street there is no way you would think she is fat. She is a very healthy size 14 model with wide hips and huge boobs. The amount of heads that girl turns is incredible. The video of her does no justice, I was there when filming and she has to try hard to make herself have a gut!  She has a bmi well within the healthy weight range, looks after herself and has a waist ratio of 0.7, apparently the most attractive, she is the ultimate hourglass figure. She is never going to be a naturally thin girl and she wouldnt try to be otherwise.
      People have different perceptions of what is beautiful, but this girl truely is the epitome of beautiful not just because of her looks, but because she has a great personality as well.

    • DG says:

      02:05pm | 16/11/09

      @Gwen (02:14pm | 16/11/09)

      While there will be some guys that will care about those few kgs, most wont.

      Seriously, if you want to win a guy over a few kgs is probably not going to make the difference. It may affect meeting people, but then if your plan for meeting people is to look good and date guys that give you the quick once over like cattle at the meat market - you deserve whatever you get.

      Being able to see your boobs on the train probably isn’t all that high on a person’s list of attributes in a potential partner, unless all they want is access to your boobs. Of course if you are happy with that, go for it.

      Far more practical is to actually talk to people that you meet in various places - talk to them as people, not as potential partners, say G’day to someone at the video store or Hi to someone you see every day on the train. You’d be surprised just how many decent people out there that will still talk to you when your boobs are covered by clothes - even if they don’t knock your socks off straight away they may have more to offer than you imagine, or at the very least they are likely to have friends…

      But I take your point, no amount of reality is going to make you happy - you have to satisfy yourself first. I just wonder what 7 kgs will do that 6 wont. and if 6 why not 5.. surely 4 would be ok. etc etc.

    • Lauren says:

      02:47pm | 16/11/09

      None of the men noticed Sarah Murdoch’s face was untouched because they were too busy looking at her tits… Seriously, I’m currently breastfeeding, have huge breasts as a consequence and appear to have lost my head. But I guess if a man can’t look me in the eye he’s not worth talking to anyway.

    • JW says:

      03:16pm | 16/11/09

      I cant stand skinny girls. I much prefer the “factory finish”. It has only been the last 40 years or so that the stick figure has been made desirable by the fashion industry. Do you really think mens idea’s of what makes a woman beautiful has been changed because of this current trend? Wake up to yourselves. Its nothing but a con job.

    • t says:

      03:20pm | 16/11/09

      Even after a study, some of you call men lyers. Which means basicly every poll or study on behaviour or opinion can’t be valid, since people can lie? Meaning if you would cooperate to such kind of study and it is anomynous, you would lie like crazy? Or when this same study would be done to women about men, then the study results would be 100% true? don’t make me laugh…
      Well there is a difference between saying it and meaning it.
      I mean, If I’m with friends and see a girl or your own girlfriend, we can talk really shallow about her and her characeristics. But each guy has his thoughts what he likes about a girl. But hey believe what you want to believe. It can be positive to you, but apperently some take this result negatively… like believing a man’s word or not… ...

    • COF says:

      03:57pm | 16/11/09

      Ladies,

      Men will look the right way sometimes, sometimes they won’t. Men will always admire your form whether they are Mr Right or Mr Wrong. But who cares? You are trying to find what YOU want.
      It comes down to this - if a woman cares about nothing but her appearance and perpetually frets about it, she is going to continue to pull wombats (i.e. Eats roots and leaves). If she has a soul, she’ll find the marrying type. Work on your soul first ladies and your bodies second, unless you are fond of wombats. You’ll be happier regardless.

      This is coming from man by the way. Truthfully.

    • Carol says:

      06:56pm | 21/11/09

      Yeah, right. From what I’ve experienced, looks are the more important factor for men. Men will pick the Playboy bunny before Time’s Woman of the Year. Personality is always secondary.

    • Drew (Darlinghurst) says:

      07:31pm | 27/11/09

      Women…..zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz BORING

      im Camp as Christmas.

      raspberry

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