As the well-worn song goes, everybody needs good neighbours. But how many of us even know who our neighbours are?

That's right Harold, it's farewell to the days of over-the-fence interaction.

The days of passing a cup of flour over the fence, back lane barbeques and collecting each other’s mail have faded into obscurity. They’re totally, utterly gone. Replaced by cranky, surly, aloof and self-interested people who just happen to live next door to each other. Guarding their compost bins and tending to their own backyards. Or filming someone else’s. Yes, filming. But we’ll get to that.

As news.com.au reported yesterday, the Local Government Association of NSW is meeting this week to debate 100 or so separate items that are dividing the fences and driveways of our sunny state. Items on the agenda include: the rights of harangued neighbours to film each other, stinky nappy disposal and people who ride motorbikes on other people’s front lawns.

Association President Keith Rhoades has described it as the most “important event” in the association’s calendar. Yet something tells me it will be hard to convince everyone of the merits of this four-day gabfest. Because this debate is about more than second floor renovations and nature strips. It’s actually about community.

Remember that quaint old thing? When your neighbour was someone you actually knew, and your “neighbourhood” was not some trumped-up fantasy in a real estate brochure but an actual community? A place where people looked out for you?

It wouldn’t be surprising if you didn’t. Old-fashioned neighbourhoods were last seen in 1982 according to last year’s British Good Neighbour Index. Back then, suburban residents knew the names of at least six of their neighbours, and spoke to at least one of them once a day.

We’re not that different here. Most of us struggle to offer a civil wave to Ethel next door as we’re reversing out the driveway. And that’s a problem. We haven’t just forgotten to talk to each other when there are issues to discuss. We’ve forgotten to even acknowledge each other’s existence.

Take Sydney’s Hornsby Shire Council. Every week customer service officers field dozens of phone calls from aggrieved suburban residents angry about trees, fences, DA approvals and noise. These are understandable concerns. Many people in Hornsby live on large, leafy blocks and raise families.

The problem is that most people don’t talk to their neighbours about the problem before putting in a call.

“We’re always reminding people to speak to their neighbours about the issue first,” says David Hayes, a spokesperson for the council.

This sounds obvious. But if you’re the type of person who takes joy in turning the sprinkler on your neighbour’s cat (that’s me!), or dumping papers in your neighbour’s recycling bins when yours gets full (me again!), it can be tricky starting up a conversation about fences or something that affects you both.

The fact that you’ve never bothered with so much as a simple hello before can make it even harder. Scary even. But it’s time to man up. Communicating with your neighbours doesn’t have to mean being best friends. But it would all be so much easier if we decide to wave once once in awhile. Take their newspaper in. Wheel the bins up the driveway, throw their kid’s ball back over the fence. You might even drop a bottle of wine around at Christmas.

At first you might feel a bit weird. And - let’s face it - their cat isn’t going to like you after all that water you sprayed over the fence, but take heart. When you press ahead with the second floor renovation, you’ll be glad for all that groundwork. You’ll be armed and ready for negotiation. Heck, you might even know their names by then.

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    • Mahhrat says:

      05:59am | 25/10/11

      I’ve got two great neighbours, including an awesome old gent who calls himself Maverick.  I think he was an engineer when he worked, and his wife of 40-odd years was a nurse.  They’re retired now, but Mav has a full-grown engineering workshop in his backyard.  He’s even got a bloody lathe.

      On the other side, Greg’s there (I think with his ailing mum).  I don’t see him out quite so much, but he loves mucking about with his yard.

      We’ve just seen an immigration policy fail because both sides were so busy scoring political points to actually solve the problem.  Is it any wonder that everyone else follows the same lead?

      Negotiation skills - or how to live in the real world - should be taught in high school.

    • acotrel says:

      06:57am | 25/10/11

      @Mahrat
      ‘Negotiation skills - or how to live in the real world - should be taught in high school. ‘

      If Tony had done the short course, he’d be PM right now.

    • Ghost says:

      07:10am | 25/10/11

      He will be acotrel.  Nothing is more certain than Labor spending a long time in political oblivion.  Mainstream Australia will love it!

    • Nilbog says:

      07:22am | 25/10/11

      @ acotrel

      One would think you are Julia Gillard by the amount of times you mention Tony Abbott. Obsessed much??

      Can’t we please let a non-political thread remain non-political…? Just a thought.

    • Raising other people's children says:

      07:24am | 25/10/11

      @Mahhrat re: Negotiation skills - or how to live in the real world - should be taught in high school.

      Raise your own children. The school syllabus is already heavily cluttered with neglected parental responsibilities.

    • acotrel says:

      07:40am | 25/10/11

      @Nilbog
      If you could replace Tony Abbott without destroying your party, that would be good for Australia !  I cringe when I think of him becoming PM. We don’t need someone that negative while the global economy is going pear shaped.

    • Damocles says:

      09:34am | 25/10/11

      @ acotrel
      It’s not easy for Tony to be positive around the worst government in Australian history, but when he becomes PM, positivity will be his middle name and Australia will be a positive country and the Australian people will all be positive, except for you and all the other rusted on Laborites. Happy days will be here again…....bring on 30/11/2013! “There will be no carbon tax under the government I lead.” - Julia Gillard 2010

    • Mahhrat says:

      09:47am | 25/10/11

      @Raising other people’s children:  You absolute muppet.  Where better for a child to learn negotiation skills with random people than amongst her classmates?

      The schoolyard has it’s own rules, which you’d recall if you had a look anywhere except your cloud for a moment.  We had to “book” or “bags” the handball courts and the play equipment.  The most dominant marbles players got to set the rules for everyone else, including what you had to do to challenge them to a duel for that oh-so-pretty cats-eye-tearer.

      I’ll teach my daughter how to negotiate with authority figures, sure.  School should teach them how to do it at school.

    • Nilbog says:

      10:38am | 25/10/11

      @ acotrel

      A simple “no” would have sufficed smile

    • andye says:

      06:03pm | 25/10/11

      @Ghost - ” Nothing is more certain than Labor spending a long time in political oblivion.”

      This has been said a number of times before, about both political parties. The Liberal party will have to actually implement policy and be responsible for stuff. Reality has a tendency to intervene.

      Basically, don’t count your chickens before they are hatched. I would say at this stage it looks like the Libs are a shoe-in for the next election. After that it depends how Abbott and his government perform. Abbott will have to annoy a lot of people and cost us a lot of money to keep his promises, or break them.

      p.s. Please guys, just don’t take away the NBN. It’s the best bit of infrastructure in decades.

    • acotrel says:

      06:30am | 25/10/11

      How would you get to know your neighbour while ‘the cult of the individual’ is in full swing erverywhere else ?  In nearly every workplace people are watching each other like dogs guarding their food.  We get people who believe it OK to play politics, and even get into ‘poisoning the well’ !  The attitude becomes a habit.  It starts right at the top of society, and goes right down to nursery level !

    • Ghost says:

      07:12am | 25/10/11

      Are all hardcore labor supporters this rabidly paranoid?

    • nihonin says:

      07:26am | 25/10/11

      It’s everywhere I tells ya acotrel, you can’t escape it by damn, people having their own opinions and having the audacity to follow though on them, just ruins it for sycophants, don’t it!

    • acotrel says:

      07:47am | 25/10/11

      @Ghost
      In later years of my employment I noticed a greater move towards dirty work in our workplaces, and I don’t know what caused it . There seemed to be more people looking for a position of advantage, even when their intellectual capabilities didn’t justify their promotion. It was recently pointed out to me by a young manager that this recent generation are rarely ‘team players’ - they have a whole different mindset.  The world has changed, and I question whether it is for the better ! The loss of technological capability is the biggest worry.

    • acotrel says:

      07:54am | 25/10/11

      @nihonin
      So you believe you are an individual, and not a sycophant ?  Tell me you are not working in a business owned by a friend of your daddy, and that you’ve never climbed over someone to get ahead ? In the 1950s, bodgies and widgies were supposed to be tear aways.  In the 1960s it was the hippies, and so on.  Tell me you are not wearing the uniform of your peer group ?  Most of you are so conditioned, you cannot even see it happening to yourselves.

    • nihonin says:

      08:34am | 25/10/11

      acotrel says ‘Tell me you are not working in a business owned by a friend of your daddy’, umm no I’m not actually, my ‘daddy’ died when I was still quite young, but thanks anyway.  acotrel also dribbles ‘, and that you’ve never climbed over someone to get ahead’ no I haven’t I got to where I am through hard work and long hours at work.  Maybe I do wear the ‘uniform’ of a ‘peer group’ (whatever that ludicrous comment is meant to state) but that’s my choice as an individual to wear a ‘uniform’, but guess what I still think for myself and tow no party line.

      acotrel, thanks for the link, good laugh I can see you filling his shoes quite nicely as a try hard, but also did you see the video link I posted yesterday in the Open Thread, take a look, it could be a mirror!

    • Chris_D says:

      08:50am | 25/10/11

      I think acotrel is a case in point why people don’t want to get to know their neighbours.

    • acotrel says:

      09:01am | 25/10/11

      @nihinin
      I can laugh at myself.  In the 60s I rode a hotted up Triumph motorcycle, and wore the black leather jacket etc.  I recognise that you young blokes must have your turn.  I just feel a bit sad when I see you swallowing the bullshit.  If you are being programmed and are aware of it, the programming is not effective.  I think you guys need to step back, and ask yourselves if it is happening to you.
      I envy you being at your time of life, but what I believe is ahead of you, makes me shudder.  It is becoming a much bigger, faster, less caring world, with less opportunity for individual to express creativity..

    • nihonin says:

      09:14am | 25/10/11

      acotrel ‘I just feel a bit sad when I see you swallowing the bullshit.  If you are being programmed and are aware of it, the programming is not effective.  I think you guys need to step back, and ask yourselves if it is happening to you’.  How often do you go through a roll of aluminum foil? 
      Also how old do you believe me to be?

    • acotrel says:

      09:33am | 25/10/11

      @nihonin
      I’d be really surprised if you are over 50 .

    • nihonin says:

      11:22am | 25/10/11

      Well I’m not quite 50 but am very close to it, but I still don’t see what that has to do with you or how it relates to my principals, mine have been influenced by circumstances throughout my life, nothing to do with my age.  We’ve obviously been raised differently, influenced by different factors/friends and situations.  I’ve risen above the subsistence lifestyle my family still enjoy living in, due to my beliefs and they’ve worked me throughout my life.

    • St. Michael says:

      01:52pm | 25/10/11

      @ nilhonin: in the spirit of the grammar Holocaust intended for the apostrophe, for Christ’s sake use the right word.

      “Principle” = core tenet.  A belief.  A general rule.  Something you live by.  As in, “it’s the principle of the thing.”

      “Principal” = the sad old bastard who runs the local high school.  Also means “the first” or “the major”, as in a “principal” reason for doing something.

    • nihonin says:

      03:29pm | 25/10/11

      St Michael, thanks for the lesson in principal and principle, I must really proof read all my posts, just in case I spell the one word wrong, as I was posting in reply quickly while on break. To save you having a coronary about it.

    • St. Michael says:

      03:51pm | 25/10/11

      Don’t worry about the coronary risk to me, it’s Strunk and White’s corpses hitting 300 rpm that I’m worried about.

    • nihonin says:

      04:07pm | 25/10/11

      St. Michael ‘Don’t worry about the coronary risk to me, it’s Strunk and White’s corpses hitting 300 rpm that I’m worried about’.

      Forgive the ignorance but….........eh?

    • St. Michael says:

      04:33pm | 25/10/11

      Strunk & White = the authors of The Elements of Style, commonly regarded as one of the shortest and also the most essential books on the English language ever printed.

      Corpses hitting 300 rpm: I assume you’ve heard the phrase “to turn in one’s grave”?

      smile

    • nihonin says:

      07:19pm | 25/10/11

      Corpses hitting 300 rpm: I assume you’ve heard the phrase “to turn in one’s grave”?  Indeed I have.

    • Al says:

      07:27am | 25/10/11

      Interact with people I don’t realy know face to face, what a horrible thought! (chuckle).

    • Abe says:

      07:53am | 25/10/11

      While I don’t speak to them everyday I know my neighbours on both sides and across the street, we even offer each other a hand when needed and shock horror, have been in each others houses and shared a beer.

    • TugboatBen says:

      07:54am | 25/10/11

      I live in the Hornsby Shire Council area, and I know all my neighbours. luckily only 1 of them owns cats. He also owns a gun though, so I don’t feel like being the one to start piffing things at his cats or over his fence.
      That being said though he’s a good bloke, we’ve shared many a beer over the fence and we’ve both bought each others bins / mail in when the other has been on holiday. We are also currently ‘negotiating’ a solution to his stormwater running across my yard. Its not a big deal. When you spend a large part of your time on your “large, leafy blocks” doing things like mowing, gardening, playing with the kidlets etc you inevitably bump into your neighbours a lot more than if you were stuck inside or busy somewhere else.

      One of the main reasons I moved back to the area was for the community feel that is still alive and well. People still say hello when they pass you in the street and I’d happily let my rug rat walk to / from and play in the local park on his own once he knows the way there. It’s nice to still have places like this in suburban Sydney.

      It’s difficult to generalise though as the council area is huge and covers a broad range of areas. I don’t imagine the people in their units in Epping interact with their neighbours in the same way, nor would i expect that the people in Brooklyn & Wisemans Ferry do either..

    • Chuck says:

      07:56am | 25/10/11

      The cult of the individual holds sway. Love thy neighbour at your own peril. Social cohesion is indeed a thing of the past and the current version is often a facade with people trying to pretend that they are nice!

    • Gladys says:

      07:59am | 25/10/11

      Quite right. I don’t share flour. My neighbour is on a gluten free thing post breast cancer. But I let her have as much mint which has gone beserkus through the rookery.

      I believe that the type of nasty complaints the LGA are worried about are rare. But because it’s about someone’s domain/realm/small little world (and I mean that in a psychological sense) it becomes very emotive.

      Who said: good fences build good neighbours? That’s both metaphorical and literal. If you don’t respect someone’s boundaries, you are going to have issues.

      All the people I know have good neighbours, probably because they treat them with distant respect and courtesy. If you get too close, you end up with someone visiting all the time. If you stay too distant, you might not be a good neighbour.

      A friend of mine had the most glorious passionfruit vine which produced a lot of fruit. Her neighbour ripped it out. She was heartbroken. When she brought the fruit in, she was crying over the intrusion. It was just a passionfruit vine, she said, but it was the meanness of the act that hurt.

      If the LGA manages to find a way to resolve that sort of tresspassing, good on them.

    • fairsfair says:

      09:33am | 25/10/11

      They are a bit of a toothless tiger I think. My parents are going through the violation thing at the moment. They live on acreage in a rural area, it was the absolute sticks when the bought in the 80s and well now, everyone wants to live there - and the prices reflect same. We always had one messy lot of neighbours. They were absolute pigs, but then one day they sold up and left and we all breathed a sign of relief.

      They were replaced with a money hungry tool who firstly subdivided, put a driveway down my parents boundary (which is also the subdivision easement) and build a house right on the drain side. The council approved all of this. Anywho, one wet season later and there goes the house. Now the easment has had to be redug, it is so deep the council are considering forcing my parents to erect a fence on the other side (at their expense) in case someone falls in it. It has altered the watercourse so much that in the next really big rain it is likely to cut the highway. The idiot who owns the house is contantly in my parents yard mowing grass down to the dirt, he has killed a couple of the Syzygiums which border dad’s painstakingly planted patch of rainforest and during cyclone Yasi he ruined a brand new gate and decided it would be fine to use my dad’s chainsaw which he went and helped himself too from the shed.

      It is really odd behaviour and it plays on my parents who are nice (surprising I know LOL) and refuse to say anything. I wonder why councils approve this kind of development within existing neighbourhoods? One house approved in the wrong spot and it destroys my parents lifestyle and clauses a block to a main road every year.

      I reckon councils deserve all they get.

    • stephen says:

      08:11am | 25/10/11

      The 32 perch block is good for seperating us from our neighbours, and, after we’ve stopped squabbling with them as to who’s gonna pay for the fence, we can all get down to the barbeque and talk about things we should ... the beer we should drink, the clothes we should wear, and how a good aussie should never query caravan or high-rise living.
      Ever known anyone who has done something interesting with their backyard ?
      (Except keep everyone else off it, mainly with a big dog ?)

    • ibast says:

      08:15am | 25/10/11

      I get on with my neighbors and spray the cat.  Of course the neighbours I get on with aren’t so rude as to let their cat wonder around my yard of a night time.

    • TJ says:

      03:27pm | 25/10/11

      you ever tried to train a cat? it’s not easy, they look at you as if to say, I am the boss, feed me and stop talking nonsense. I have 2 cats but they are indorr and are never allowed outside, but it’s still difficult to get them to not do something they want to do, they’re like children in a way

    • centurion48 says:

      08:18am | 25/10/11

      Traditional neighbours existed in my childhood when people were quite happy to buy a family home and live in it forever. In my current location I can predict that a neighbour will buy the house and have a DA submitted in weeks in the expectation of a renovation or improvement followed by a quick sale. Then, on to the next property. They don’t buy homes:they buy houses. They have no attachment to the building and therefore no sense of, or interest in, the community.

    • Joel B1 says:

      08:36am | 25/10/11

      Nice story except for mentioning cats.

      Cats are special. Look it up, it’s enshrined in law. I’m fairly sure spraying them with a hose is actually illegal. I’m unsure if you can shout/hiss at them.

      Bitter much? You’d be bitter if you had fences to keep out dogs and you had lovely, cute free-range Guinea Pigs that mowed your lawn and ate fallen leaves and generally turned a backyard into a lovely paradise and they got killed by cats.

      (They would put their little Guinea Pig paw on your hand if you gave them grain to stop you taking your hand away.)

      Sure you need to fence your vegie patch (of course you’ve got one haven’t you? especially if you ever voted Green) but it only needed a knee-high fence ‘cause GP can’t jump. Cats will still shit on your leafy greens and dig up your seedlings though.

      Where are the Greens on the enormous problem that are domestic cats?

    • Fionq says:

      06:30pm | 25/10/11

      Someone my hubbie works with had free range guinea pigs that went feral. There ended up being tow “tribes” and every now and then they’d meet in the middle and fight over their turf. True story, I’d believe it having seen how our own male guinea pigs faced off when they first met.

    • Anna C says:

      08:42am | 25/10/11

      I try and avoid my neighbours because they are all neighbours from hell. I find avoidance is preferable to ending up in jail for manslaughter. My list of gripes includes:

      * Neighbours who like to play golf in my front garden. Narrowly missing getting hit in the head by a golf ball while sitting in my garden isn’t what I call relaxing.
      * Neighbour’s daughter who likes to serenade us each night belting out tunes at the top of her lungs as she takes her evening shower. Can’t hear the telly.
      * Neighbour who likes to entertain friends every weekend (day and night) and they all get pissed and scream and sing at the top of their lungs. I really appreciate it at 3 a.m.
      * Neighbours who like to rev their cars constantly at all times of the day and night with doof doof music playing loudly.
      * Neighbours who have car alarms (with flashing lights) which go off up to 8 times a night every so often for no reason and ignores it.
      * Neighbours who have renovated their houses right up against my fence so I have less privacy and less sun.
      * Neighbours who like to shine their spotlights into my house.
      *Neighbour’s kids who like to constantly kick their soccer balls into our metal fence causing lots of noise.

      Oh I just looooove living in suburbia.

    • fairsfair says:

      10:23am | 25/10/11

      WTF is it with sensor spot lights? You live in suburbia and you need some roo shooting giant light on sensor just incase you want to hang washing out at 10:00pm?

      I honestly dont’ get that. My neighbours have on that is contantly on until 9:00pm and then it shifts to sensor so every time their dog wanders up to the laundry in the middle of night it bores into my retina.

      I’m considering shooting it out.

    • Love Thy Neighbour says:

      01:29pm | 25/10/11

      @ Anna C,

      I bought a rural / residential property because the concept of a mortgage in suburbia with neighbours like you described didn’t sit well with me and I wanted space. I have discovered however, that the rural / residential zone and acreage does not mean less intrusion or better neighbours. I actually think it could be worse! In the few years I have had the property, various neighbours who I have either not met at all or spoken to briefly have:

      Dobbed us in (originally to the terrorist hotline) for an aircraft landing there which is perfectly allowable. The report they made said seven men with beards got out of it and walked around behaving suspiciously on the property. There was a pilot, a builder, an architect and a friend which does not add up to seven, nor does anybody have a beard and if they had?;

      Called the police to the only two parties we have had in three years (it would seem music echoes over a valley);

      Allowed goats the size of antelope to wander round the property when nobody is there that have subsequently demolished an entire garden twice and responded to a polite note in their letterbox by saying ‘we didn’t know they were escaping’;

      Dobbed us into the council for commencing the build of a shed apparently without approval. Because of council amalgamation it was almost impossible to obtain the right paperwork as the builder had a cancellation and was able to start unexpectedly over Christmas. Everything was designed to specification and all the paperwork was in the pipeline so in effect, nothing happened. What astounded me, was how the build of that structure impacted anybody – it did not block anybody’s view, nor did it interfere with anything else!

      An old farmer in the district told me the problem is *that they see a lot of comings and goings but don’t really know what’s going on there.* Well…

    • Fiona says:

      06:43pm | 25/10/11

      FF, I hate the sensor spotlight too. We live on rural residential like love they neighbour have neighbours with a spotlight. It was from the previous owner being convinced that she was about to be burgled. We have to close the curtains in our lounge room every night now, even in the middle of summer.

    • Chris_D says:

      08:46am | 25/10/11

      We have lived in our current home for just over 8 years now.  We made a point when we moved in of having a few meet and greet BBQ’s at our place and at our expense to get to know everyone around the street (actually, we live in a cul-de-sac).  This worked tremendously well.  Almost everybody in the street owned (bank mortgage) their homes at that time.  We would shut the street down for parties, play street cricket and have other street gatherings.  It was the perfect setting for raising a family.

      Now, a few years later, more than half the houses are rentals, and the street has gone from a real little community to a feeling of having transient people roaming our street constantly. 

      We have always held BBQ’s and we invite the whole street, but only home owners turn up.  I know almost everyone in the street at some level, and quite simply and honestly quite a few of them have feral kids with no respect for anyone or anything.  There are now too many people who have no sense of ownership in the street, and with that comes no sense of responsibility.  We often consider if it’s time to sell and move to another “community street” where people have pride of ownership.

    • acotrel says:

      08:47am | 25/10/11

      I live in a country town, and my neighbours are great.  However I wouldn’t want to be unlucky enough to have a certain family from the next town move into my street..  For their neighbours, it’s always been an absolute nightmare.  And the police, councils, government officials - none of them have been effective in curbing the excesses of these ferals.  It would be a pity t o bring in ‘one size fits all ’ legislation to cope with people like that.  We’d all lose a big part of our freedom. It’s only one family, but very destructive !

    • Super D says:

      12:15pm | 25/10/11

      these sorts of encounters encourage a lot of people to grow out of their naive socialist belief system.

    • JS says:

      08:54am | 25/10/11

      this kind of article seriously annoys me. Always blaming people for a learned behaviour.

      Old fashioned community and looking out for each other means getting involved in peoples lives, telling off the local kids for graffiting the neighbours fence. You try telling someones kid off these days, you will most likely end up in jail.

      Loss of community has come about not from selfishness but fear. Fear of saying the wrong thing or doing the wrong thing. whatever you do, you will cause offence to someone.

      Maybe we just need to train Australia to stop being so precious.

    • Babe in the Woods says:

      08:55am | 25/10/11

      I live in a great street.  I know my neighbours to say hi to, and have a bit of a chat now and then.  When I had a bad fall last year one popped me in her car and drove me to the hospital.  I also know at least 8 other families in the street.  Kids actually do still play outside on our street.  At Christmas I always get (and give) at least half a dozen cards from neighbours.  That is why I commute every day at least an hour and a half on the train. It is worth coming home to. And it is not hard to meet your neighbours, try saying hello.

    • AJL says:

      08:56am | 25/10/11

      I’m sorry, why would I want or need to worry about my neighbours?  As long as they leave me alone (which they do), I leave them alone.  My wife and I are both fairly introverted people, neither of us are keen on meeting a bunch of new and different people because we happen to live in close proximity.

    • Kelly says:

      09:55am | 25/10/11

      @AJL - a wave or nod or hardly “meeting new people”.

      Sure, you do sound like a bit of a weirdo so maybe no one wants to talk to you, but being an introvert is no excuse for being rude.

    • AJL says:

      01:31pm | 25/10/11

      Kelly,

      I’m not rude.  If they wave or nod at me I’ll do the same back.  I’m sure they’re all OK (certainly better than the apartment block with the druggo who kept setting off the fire alarm), but I have better things to do with my time than talking to strangers.

      If that makes me a weirdo, then I’m a weirdo.

    • RyaN says:

      08:58am | 25/10/11

      Its about mutual respect, when one neighbour breaks that trust by building with windows overlooking the others back yard or spends more than a year noisily renovating and building the persons being impacted already know what kind of person these people are and have no desire to interact with them in any way shape or form.
      Personally I have found that Leighton Greens are a good solution to neighbours, especially the inconsiderate ones.

    • Bev says:

      11:33am | 25/10/11

      Leighton Greens ????

    • RyaN says:

      12:15pm | 25/10/11

      @Bev: Whoops, that would be my fault, Leylandii is what I am referring to.

    • Bev says:

      04:15pm | 25/10/11

      Thanks now it makes sense though I did suspect it was some sort of greenery.

    • SimonFromLakemba says:

      09:22am | 25/10/11

      You are correct in saying that people would rather place a call then knock on the neigbours door.

      I worked in contruction in the Canterbury region ( NSW ) and for the most part only had 1 huge issue with a guy who complained about absolutly everything even though it was all approved and council ticked it off.

      In regards to my neighbours living where I live its always interesting, have a big group of Islanders next to me, below an Egyption married to an Italian, next to them a conservative muslim family I think from Algeria, but very nice everyone gets along and the neighbours either side are Lebanese muslim and have never had an issue.

      You would be surprised how far a smile and a hand gesture could go.

    • Lackofsun says:

      10:01am | 25/10/11

      I live in front and right next to a low rise residential apartment.

      I’m not ‘neighbours’ with any of them.
      Go figure.

    • Markus says:

      10:03am | 25/10/11

      Lucy you’ve conveniently ommitted that with all the flour sharing and street barbecues comes the nosiness, the obligation to know every minute detail of everyone’s lives (oh it was your son Rolando who did a gap year, not your son Ronaldo? How dare I make that mistake!), as well as the expectation that you in turn discuss every single aspect of both your own life and everyone else’s life with them.

      I’ll pass.

    • dw says:

      12:03pm | 25/10/11

      I think that this scenario has coincided with changing gender roles and shifting cultural expectations.

      Our suburbs once contained ‘homemakers’ looking for social contact. Cups of tea ensued. Their kids played together after school. People were around when the sun was up.

      With the shift to duel income households, this has obviously declined over the past 30 years. Everyone’s at work. The kids are in after-school care. Drinks after work have replaced the back lane barbeque.

      The nostalgic idea of ‘neighbourhood’ suffers when most of the neighbours aren’t home.

    • Kika says:

      01:03pm | 25/10/11

      Good point. Bravo.

      People (well mostly the men) worked shorter hours back in those days too. Back in those days your work hours, WERE your work hours.. none of this.. yeah but it’s 9am to 5pm but we expect you here by 7am and not leaving until 6pm.

    • Kika says:

      01:10pm | 25/10/11

      I don’t think anyone trusts each other either, which could play a role as to why neighbours don’t talk to each other.  Also I think a lot of people have low tolerance threshold for being annoyed.  I live in a street with about 15 blocks of units and a few houses scattered in between. There’s a 100 people at least coming and going all the time and most are rented, so people are leaving and new people moving in too.

      People are rude too. They don’t care about thinking about what their actions may have on others and their quiet enjoyment of their space.

    • Audra Blue says:

      01:43pm | 25/10/11

      Fences are the best inventions for neighbourhoods.  I live in a block of flats and my neighbours are very nice.  They don’t make noise at night and they keep to themselves.  I wouldn’t know them if I passed them in the street and that’s the way I like it.  I’m not anti-social, I just rent a lot and it’s too much effort to get to know people when I’m only going to move away eventually anyway.

      If I had my own house, I would make sure there was a high wall all around the property.  Not only to protect the place but to keep nosy neighbours out and so that I don’t accidentally see things in others’ backyards that I’m better off not seeing.

      My home is my personal haven away from the intrusive world so getting to know the neigbours is of no interest to me.  The world has my attention from 7.30 am until 5 pm every day.  The rest of the time is my time, so be a good neighbour and don’t bother me.

    • Lily says:

      01:46pm | 25/10/11

      I live in a small block of apartments (13) and I have no issue with the others; can always find someone to collect your mail/ borrow a cup of milk from kind of thing, the one apartment that doesn’t sure makes up for it. I’m talking constant streams of obscenities at all hours at a volume impossible to sleep through. This is really difficult for me because I am forced to work from home sometimes (3am conference calls etc) and trying to talk to a client when you know full well they can clearly hear the “you f***ing c**t” being screamed over and over in the background is really awkward.
      These people have gone on meth benders and smashed every single window in the apartment block they could, deal drugs and constantly break the security doors for the benefit of their clients, have kicked in other neighbours doors and beaten them up when they have suspected them of being the ones that called the cops etc etc. The only respite we get are the regular intervals where the guy is in jail. We have had elderly people who have lived there for years forced to move out of fear, the few apartments that aren’t owner occupied have a constant flow of tennants (when they can get some in).
      Constant complaints to body corporate go nowhere, they file the forms, send out notice to comply etc, but no-one is willing to attend mediation which is the next step purely because they don’t want to be the next one getting their door kicked in in the middle of the night.
      It really p1sses me off that because they are owners after getting some stupid settlement payment for something and we can’t really do much about it. I have to wear the constant screaming and the impacts to my work, others have to deal with the financial losses they incur and we all have to live with the unpleasantness of it all. It’s almost impossible to sell at market price because these people don’t work and are home all the time, and seriously spend from about 6am to 1am every day hurling abuse at each other or their kids, and who wants to buy into that.

      I hate them. Thankyou for listening to me whinge.

    • bec says:

      05:41pm | 25/10/11

      Oh girl, your current neighbours are my old neighbours - except mine also ran a Centrelink scam and were eventually arrested for theft and armed robbery.

      I have become very suspicious of any new person moving in next door and after my past experience have no interest in getting to know them.

    • TowniesDelight says:

      02:02pm | 25/10/11

      I didn’t, gave it a miss thanks I hate whingers.I’m lucky to live where neighbours know each other, party sometimes and know what goes on in the town..country life, can’t beat it!

    • Happily Aspergers says:

      05:01pm | 25/10/11

      Live on large acreage and you never have to bother with annoying people next door, in fact you won’t know who they are or ever meet them.  ....now shove off, all of ya…

    • Local says:

      06:14pm | 25/10/11

      I live on 25 acres, the house is built on a hill. While the neighbours are relatively inoffensive, there is one chap who insists on complaining to me, every time it rains, that his yard keeps getting flooded. I’ve tried to explain to him that it floods because he lives in a valley with a creek backing onto his property. He says we should put in drains to make sure the water is following the natural watercourse. It is following the natural watercourse. It’s following it all the way down the hill.
      I have no problem with a friendly hello and all that, however I object to people who think I need to know the graphic details about their daughter’s recent childbirth, or the whingers who think the birds are too loud, the trees too big, the grass too green or the sky too blue. When my neighbours come over to talk, it’s only ever to complain about something. Then they want me to sign a petition or something. The only thing I’d like to petition in this neighbourhood are all the neighbours who keep asking me to sign petitions.

    • The Future Of Journalism says:

      06:33pm | 25/10/11

      Is the TV show “Love their Neighbour”  on TV Channel Seven Two, Seven Mate , 11, Nine Gem , Nine Go or Pay TV?

    • Dweller says:

      07:33am | 31/10/11

      I live in an apartment building with 50 apartments. Though I know that the majority of my neighbours are in their 20s and 30s, I don’t know a single one by name, or even by appearance. We’ll nod and say hello if we meet in the halls, but it doesn’t go any further. I can’t say it bothers me.

    • Marv says:

      03:05pm | 21/11/11

      I found myself nodding my noggin all the way trhuogh.

    • Veanna says:

      01:37pm | 23/11/11

      Your anewsr was just what I needed. It’s made my day!

 

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