According to Bob Katter on ABC’s Q&A last Monday night, stopping the live export of cattle to Indonesia would add three million people to the 80 million Indonesians who currently go to bed hungry. According to Katter, stopping the trade was cutting off the protein food supply to three million people. Nobody disputed this.

Beef Rendang is an Indonesian classic but hardly a food staple of the masses

Katter blamed Meat and Livestock Australia (MLA) for not fixing the cruelty problem. He asserted that the cattle producers who had phoned and abused him didn’t know their animals were being treated this way.

It’s a pity we don’t have the equivalent of a driving test for politicians. Something to verify that they have basic numeracy skills before they can stand for Parliament. I’m not too concerned about literasy, what harm duz a few misspelled wurds do anyway? But get the numbers wrong and all kinds of stupid decisions are made.

On a different issue but one which cuts to the heart of having a Parliament dominated by scientific illiterates, Katter thinks 400 ppm (parts per million) CO2 couldn’t possibly make the planet warmer. He thinks he’s worked this out by some analogy where 400 ppm is like holding wire netting over your head.

I don’t think Bob is stupid, just brick ignorant of both science and his own limitations. So Bob, what if the atmosphere was 400 ppm cyanide? What would that do? Toxicologists reckon it would kill all of us. What do they know? They probably haven’t thought of the wire netting argument. Would Bob perhaps like to test his wire netting analogy with a scuba tank filled 400 ppm cyanide?

Now back to Bob and his Indonesian neighbours. Bob, if your reading ... there are 225 million people in Indonesia and the latest UN Food and Agriculture data shows that the Indonesian food supply delivers about 56.8 grams of protein per day per person with just 0.7 grams coming from beef and most of that is Indonesian beef. This amount of protein would be adequate if the food was equitably distributed, but it never is, so many Indonesians are indeed chronically hungry.

But Bob, who do you think eats beef? And who, in particular, eats beef from our cattle? Is it the poor? Is it wealthy tourists? Is it rich Indonesians? Given that beef is more expensive than rice and vegetables, we can assume that the latter two groups do the bulk of the beef buying. Will either rich tourists or rich Indonesians swell the ranks of the hungry as a result of this ban? Of course not.

Now Bob, let’s assume you are correct and that 80 million Indonesians are hungry. That is actually a reasonable estimate based on UN data on childhood undernutrition ... score one for Mr Katter. But this means that the other 145 million Indonesians aren’t hungry. If only three million of them are eating our cattle, as you said Bob, then that’s 142 million people who don’t eat them but aren’t hungry.

My God, where do they get their protein? What a mystery. What a conundrum. Maybe it’s all the chicken meat they eat? Oops no, there’s only two grams of chicken protein available per person per day. Or pigs? Not pigs either, just 0.8 grams of pig protein per day. What about fish and sea food? That’s another 8 grams.

The fact is Bob, that plant protein is the vast majority of protein for all Indonesians, and it is perfectly adequate protein if you get enough food. There is no protein shortage in Indonesia independent of periodic food shortages and of price spikes that make food too expensive to eat.

You expressed an interest in helping the Indonesians as neighbours and as a good Christian. Then how about you start by closing down our feedlots and factory farm pig and chicken sheds? These consume about 12 million tonnes of grain annually. Then Australians who have trouble switching to a vegan diet can eat their own northern cattle which could be killed here and we can supplement the 51 million tonnes of cereals which Indonesia produces and make a real difference.

But if we shut down those pig and chicken sheds, we’d need to eat more grains. Would we have enough? Currently Bob, we eat about 1.8 million tonnes of cereals and that provides more protein than all the chicken and pig meat combined. Really. That 1.8 million tonnes of cereals provide 24 grams of protein compared to the 19.5 grams from pig and chicken meat per person per day. To borrow a line from Uncle Toby’s ... cereals are Iron Man food. So we could easily shut these abominations down, together with cattle feedlots and export most of that 12 million tonnes.

You got one thing right Bob. MLA lies. The promotional video segments shown on the Four Corners program showed that they didn’t just lie a little but were deliberate and calculating in their efforts to mislead. Did they suck in any farmers with their lies? Clearly, if your reports are to be believed, the answer is yes. So who was it who fooled you Bob? Who sucked you in about the value of beef in the Indonesian food supply?

Whoever it was clearly fooled everybody on the Q&A panel on Monday. Not a single person seemed aware of how irrelevant beef was to the Indonesian food supply. MLA is at least partly responsible again. Their red meat advertising campaigns have been misleading the Australian public about the value of red meat for decades.

But MLA doesn’t just lie. MLA knows how to pick and commission the right experts to sell its story. MLA designed and installed the “restraint boxes” shown on Four Corners. These help slaughtermen get the cattle on the ground so they can hack at their necks. Here is a description from a report by one of MLA’s paid experts, retired veterinary Professor Ivan Caple, on how these devices work:

“The length of the front rope arrests forward movement of the leg and the momentum of the animal initiates a roll out towards the slope of the plinth.”

The word roll is a magnificent euphemism for the way cattle crash down onto concrete, sometimes head first. But the true genius of the design of the restraint boxes as torture devices is to have the slope onto which animal falls going down. This maximises the distance the animal falls. The splashing of water onto the animal makes the surface slippery so the animal is unstable and in total terror leading to the only part of its body that isn’t restrained, the head, thrashing on the concrete in a vain effort to rise. This really should have won an award from whatever world body rewards excellence in torture device design.

MLA needs to be abolished and the ACCC needs to prosecute them for that promotional video. It clearly and deliberately gives a false and misleading impression of the killing process. And Bob, you, like others who have been flying the protein flag lately, need to learn a little nutritional science and perhaps a little arithmetic.

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    • jb says:

      05:01am | 15/06/11

      And you Geoff, left out one fundamental issue here, it’s not that the culling of animals is not cruel, we all know that so apart from your condescending article how about addressing the governments handling of this, they should not have shut down the entire industry they should have barred abattoirs in Indonesia not slaughtering to specific standards and left the others to carry on operating, what you have done is take more than protein off the Indonesians table you have taken the money from their pocket, where will these people once employed by abattoirs abiding by the rules now earn the money to put your grain protein on the table from?
      Who’s going to employ the indigenous Australians employed in the top end?
      Who’s going to find jobs for the already struggling cattle farmers?
      You didn’t really think your little article through did you, it’s pretty much a propaganda for vegan conversion, bit like your liable accusations about the MLA huh…
      You mention assumption, in my book assumption is the mother of all fuckups and the labor party are the assumption party, time to change leaders and save some labor party seats before its too late.

    • jack says:

      07:40am | 15/06/11

      After watching the preformance of Bob Katter and reading what JB has to say I think they both need counseling, Bob dissapoints me with his ranting and raving,  most people are flat out understanding anything he says

    • acotrel says:

      08:00am | 15/06/11

      You reap what you sow?  The cattle exporters were happy to see Australian jobs go offshore, and the 8 abbattoirs in Northern Australia close.  Now we see massive public outcry about the conditions and behaviour in Indonesian workplaces, and the meat exporting stuffed.  And they want compensation from the government?  What a deluded pack of bastards?

    • Jessika says:

      08:08am | 15/06/11

      jb…. your argument is completely and utterly illogical, incoherent and mildly embarrassing.
      I think that Geoff raises a valid point about Katter’s understanding of the situation, and presents a logical argument for the continuation of the ban on cattle exports. The stimulation of Australia’s domestic cattle industry by slaughtering our own meat will indeed create jobs for Australians, and, as any farmer could probably tell you, will save them money: every mile cattle travels reduces its value and adds to the cost incurred by farmers who must export their cattle for slaughter.

      I am fairly sure that “vegan conversion” as mentioned in the above article was written with just a touch of sarcasm, to prove a point, and that Geoff does not actually propose that Australia stops eating poultry and pork to support Indonesia’s food issues…

    • Jessika says:

      08:08am | 15/06/11

      jb…. your argument is completely and utterly illogical, incoherent and mildly embarrassing.
      I think that Geoff raises a valid point about Katter’s understanding of the situation, and presents a logical argument for the continuation of the ban on cattle exports. The stimulation of Australia’s domestic cattle industry by slaughtering our own meat will indeed create jobs for Australians, and, as any farmer could probably tell you, will save them money: every mile cattle travels reduces its value and adds to the cost incurred by farmers who must export their cattle for slaughter.

      I am fairly sure that “vegan conversion” as mentioned in the above article was written with just a touch of sarcasm, to prove a point, and that Geoff does not actually propose that Australia stops eating poultry and pork to support Indonesia’s food issues…

    • Damian says:

      08:45am | 15/06/11

      jb, who employs the people that used to kill whales? They now run tourist businesses. That is beside the point, there is absolutely no argument for the employment of people in an industry that is inhumanely cruel.

    • jb says:

      09:31am | 15/06/11

      Jess and Damo, clearly you are one line readers, if you had bothered to read the rest you would see that I am against any inhumane action but clearly that is not good enough for you, my point and my only point was and is that the knee jerk reaction of this govt brought on by a four corners is the only reason why something is now happening, where were you two and the wilderbeast before the ABC outed the Indonesian abattoirs?
      By your uneducated mindless drivel on how business works the govt should have closed down the building industry because they screwed up the BER and were ripped off by dogy builders that like your lack of realization of what goes on in the big wide world is just plain dumb.
      How those beasts in Indonesia were treated is appalling and we should not export cattle to them but the others should still be allowed to operate to avoid the damaging domino effect to bussiness when this country can least afford it.
      Your information is incorrect in other areas too, Cattlemen, will not make more money if slaughtered the beast is slaughtered here and Indonesia does not have the infrustructure to handle the cold room storage necessary to facilitate your thoughts… great thoughts in an ideal world but it’s just not true.
      The only truth is you are backing a govt that is out of control and until they change the leader to someone the country believes in and trusts nothing Gillard and Swan do will ever be swallowed by the Australian public except for by people like you that blindly wander the world looking to chow down on some soul food…
      Get outside and actually do something

    • egg says:

      02:05pm | 15/06/11

      @jb, is punctuation a labor conspiracy as well? just asking…

    • Ando says:

      02:45pm | 15/06/11

      Well said JB.
      Jessika, once we “value add to the beef” , paying above minimum wage to Australian meat workers how do you expect to be competitive . Same product higher price.
      Damien
      “who employs the people that used to kill whales?”  perfect example of how the easy it is to take the moral high ground without regard to the fact that stopping an industry overnight has immediate effects on real people. You may as well just say “it serves them right”

    • Geoff Russell says:

      08:37am | 15/06/11

      Of course Australians should stop eating pig and chicken meat and we should export the saved grain to places which desperately need it. There was no satire or sarcasm intended. The fact that a cruel industry provides jobs is an inadequate justification for its existence. Child labour is a great way of cutting costs and growing an industry ... but we don’t do it and rightly so.

    • AliceC says:

      11:22am | 15/06/11

      Actually, you might want to read up about how much slave labour exists in the world, including Australia.

    • JR says:

      08:05pm | 15/06/11

      Geoff,if you and Lynn White were so concerned about animal cruelty why aren’t you in Indonesia now lobbying to change their practices and why did Animals Australia wait several months before releasing the footage from the 4 abbatoirs.Answer,because you have a different agenda (vegan) which is so obvious from your condascending rantings.Tell me once you are rid of the 30 million cattle in Australia,what will you do about the 280 million cattle that live in India which are mostly kept for sacred reasons.

    • CJ Morgan says:

      08:45am | 15/06/11

      Well said, Geoff.  I’ve made the point several times both here and elsewhere that the vast majority of Indonesians don’t eat much beef, particularly of the more expensive Australian variety.  While I don’t share your vegan leanings, you’re also quite correct that humans can live very well without meat in their diet, provided that sufficient vegetable protein and other trace elements and are available.  Certainly, if the grain that is currently wasted on feedlot livestock was fed directly to people - or the land on which it’s grown grew something else - it would certainly go further.

      While I feel for those whose livelihoods depend on the inherently cruel live export trade, in truth they are relatively few in number, both here and in Indonesia.  However, Australia doesn’t need this industry and if it can’t be conducted humanely and sustainably, then we shouldn’t be in it at all.

      I find it quite disturbing - if unsurprising - that many producers have responded to the current crisis by circling the metaphorical wagons and blaming everybody but themselves for their predicament, with scant mention made of the undeniably appalling cruelty that has been common knowledge in some sections of the industry for years. 

      Of course, such a situation needs its own conspiracy theory in these Internet dominated times, and I’m afraid your veganism feeds straight into one that I’m increasingly seeing, i.e. that it’s all part of a well-planned plot by socialist, warmist vegans who want to take over the earth.  Indeed, I predict much commentary similar to jb’s above - if it wasn’t so sad it’d be funny.

    • Davejm says:

      05:34pm | 15/06/11

      I have been living in Jakarta for the last 6 months and it is clear that the only people effected by stopping live beef exports are expats and other wealthy indonesians.
      Beef is very expensive (compared to chicken) and Aust beef is sold at a further premium.
      Reading Katters comments just left me shaking my head.

    • fairsfair says:

      08:50am | 15/06/11

      I couldn’t even finish that, left our the last four paragraphs. How condescending.

    • Watcher says:

      08:57am | 15/06/11

      Bob Katter is amusing to watch, but myself personally I would not put much credence in what he say’s.  don’t feel it is right to pander to these bad slaughtering practices, if humans can’t be humane ..who will be? I am not worried about what Indonesians are eating, what concerns me is what is happening in Australia. There are many here, pensioners included who can’t afford a steak I would not compensate these cattle growers, other than the cost of the fuel to arrive at the wharves, they above anyone were aware of what was going on.

    • Bev says:

      08:59am | 15/06/11

      No all plant diet unless it is balanced (example corns and beans together) can supply the complete set of 23 amino acids required for humans. Only meat contains all 23. So just substituting grain will not supply the complete protien required.  Bob also pointed out that to slaughter and process these cattle in Australia would raise the cost of the beef by a factor of 10 further restricting the availability to less Indonesians.  Outside large towns refrigeration is not generally available partly because of the cost of refrigeration but mostly because power is either not available or is restricted to a few hours each day. Frozen meat doesn’t stay frozen if you don’t have 24/7 power to fridge/freezers. The answer is to bring the slaughter of cattle up to an acceptable standard and then police it.

    • Blind Freddy says:

      01:11pm | 15/06/11

      @bev
      “No all plant diet unless it is balanced (example corns and beans together) can supply the complete set of 23 amino acids required for humans”

      Simple - eat a balanced diet of corn and beans - now that wasn’t hard was it? You answered your own question!

      No need for animal cruelty or refrigeration.

    • Tim says:

      09:06am | 15/06/11

      Yeah we could eat that grain except for the fact that most of the grain fed to cattle is not fit for human consumption.
      And I notice you don’t mention the other blatant falsity on QandA when Natalie Pa‘apa’a said that it takes 100kL of water to produce 1kg of beef. But that wouldn’t suit your argument would it?

    • DJ says:

      09:24am | 15/06/11

      Q&A is stacked with lefties who automatically clap at anything people like Pa’apa’a or that sanctimonious fraud Mike Carlton say and scoff at conservative opinions.

    • Gavin says:

      10:12am | 15/06/11

      Nothing wrong with scoffing at the scoffable - be it left or right leaning.

    • Geoff Russell says:

      10:46am | 15/06/11

      There are a few reasonable numbers on how much water it takes to produce a kilo of beef. That 100kL figure comes from CSIRO and applies in some Australian situations. I don’t use it because I
      don’t think it’s a good industry wide average. 15kL is a better
      number.  Natalie is young, she will learn. We are all born ignorant, but what annoys me is when ignorance is made into a life-style choice ... as indicated by Bob Katter’s wire netting silliness.

      Most of the grain fed to pigs, chickens and cattle is grown for that purpose. There is nothing wrong with it and the farmers involved could just as easily grow food ... but growing feed can be more profitable. 
      Do you think factory farm
      owners hang around waiting for rain damaged grain to become
      available so they can feed their animals? Don’t be silly. They demand consistent supplies of high grade feed.  They might supplement with low grade stuff when it is cheap, but that’s just
      opportunistic extra feed. Check out a bag of chook pellets at your local
      grain store ... 12 to 15 percent protein, supplemented with legumes, vitamins and minerals.  “Chick starter” is 18 to 20 percent protein. Chickens, in particular need far more protein and iron than we do.
      I spent years on an Animal Experimentation Ethics Committee looking at livestock feeding trial protocols. They even add enzymes to maximise energy utilisation.

    • JR says:

      10:07pm | 15/06/11

      The water used per kilo of beef is fanciful because most of it falls as rain on rangelands and grows grass which is eaten by cattle.Most rangelands are used for grazing sheep or cattle and not much else.The farmer will sell the grain to whoever pays the highest price,so if you want to pay more for it Geoff go for it.

    • MD says:

      09:20am | 15/06/11

      Until science creates a tree that grows steaks, you’ll never get me to turn vegan.

    • AliceC says:

      09:34am | 15/06/11

      That’s a totally awesome idea!!!

    • Blind Freddy says:

      01:13pm | 15/06/11

      Until you can get meat without inflicting cruelty on animals you will never get me to eat meat.

    • Keen Observer says:

      01:32pm | 15/06/11

      How would you harvest the tree steaks cruelty free…...mmmmmm, tree steak!

    • Tim says:

      01:46pm | 15/06/11

      Blind Freddy,
      what’s your definition of cruelty?

    • jg says:

      09:33am | 15/06/11

      Natalie Pa‘apa’a was an arrogant, rude and uninformed little socialist wasn’t she just?

      I thought Peter Garret was going to laugh at her at one stage given her propensity to waffle off subject onto land rights and whetever.

    • S.L says:

      09:34am | 15/06/11

      I’m yet to hear Bob Katter utter one intelligent sentence. How can anybody take this guy seriously?

    • Shifter says:

      01:50pm | 16/06/11

      You don’t need to be intelligent to be popular, which is all it takes to be elected.

      Once you’re there you have the platform to spread your unintelligence everywhere, and watch as the bogan masses lap it up.

      Such are the failings of democracy in Australia.

    • Alan Pevie says:

      10:11am | 15/06/11

      To all those farmers and individuals at Meat and Livestock who have known for years that slaughtering practices at Indonesian and Middle East Abattoirs are cruel and barbaric, I say pox on you. Shame upon you all. It is now time for you to suffer. How you people can send your beautiful Brahman cattle to be hacked, gouged and tortured by ignorant slaughtermen in Indonesia is beyond my comprehension. Slaughter your cattle here in Australia under strict humane conditions and send the frozen meat to these countries.And don’t tell me the people in Indonesia don’t have fridges. That is complete crap. Most Indonesian people eat chicken and vegetables anyway. They certainly don’t eat pork. Most are muslims. I have stopped eating meat for a while until you stop this disgusting cruelty to those beautiful cattle over there. Thankyou for your attention. Alan Pevie South Australia

    • Leopard says:

      07:44pm | 15/06/11

      @Alan Pevie I agree.
      A pox on them.  If this hurts the cattlemen, then I say -  they had it coming.

    • Amy says:

      10:30am | 15/06/11

      Geoff, I love you. Thank you for voicing your opinions, which I share! You’re awesome.

    • joy says:

      10:37am | 15/06/11

      Good post Geoff,  And good on you for following up on Bob Katters, comments,  which I found insulting to my intelligence. Katter wants a quick fix, the meat industry must really be putting pressure on him, The stress on him is starting to show, 
      I passionately believe we should ban live trade animals,  and stop the hellish transportation misery these animal, endure, plus unforgiveable cruelty shown by indonesian abbatair workers.
      I have no sympathy, for the people lining their pocket, and closing their eyes to this animal cruelty, They have done what is right for their pockets not for us Australians,  Opening up abbatairs in australian, giving jobs to australians in the meat industry, saving on transportation of animals cost, does ot suit them,  they prefer, to expoit Indonesian abbatair labor, and close their eyes to animal cruelty,  all in the name of lining their greedy pockets.

    • Bev says:

      11:02am | 15/06/11

      Alan Pevie says:10:11am | 15/06/11
      And don’t tell me the people in Indonesia don’t have fridges. That is complete crap.
      Only 10% do and its not just that simple refrigeration depends on 24/7 power non existant in a large part of Indonesia and in many places where power does exist it is only government or larger business who have it.  Plus it is only available in busness hours.  Try only running your fridge/freezer a few ours a day but don’t ask me to clean the stinking rotten meat out of your freezer at the end of the week.

    • AnthonyG says:

      11:24am | 15/06/11

      Who cares what katter said. But that picture has made me want Indian or Tai for din dins.The only problem, when I look at the menus I want everything. And once i’ve eaten it I realise why the indians use a bidae.

    • AnthonyG says:

      11:48am | 15/06/11

      lucky I have one too

    • Stiffy says:

      12:08pm | 15/06/11

      Geoff, firstly good to see you becoming involved with the comments here.  Your article seems to concentrate on Katinthehat and his lack of knowledge on protein sources. This was also a twitter across the bottom of the screen soon after he made the comment. (Anyone sick of the flow of twitter comments on Q & A? They seem to be appearing with the frequency of ticker tape).
      The Government has overreacted on this. Too much back benches rumbling. It needs to reverse its decision and recommence exporting. We are hurting a large industry for no reason. If we do not firstly the Indonesians will simply source their meat from other suppliers such as certain states within India and from South American suppliers. Not only will we loose the market but Foot and Mouth disease, which exists in India, will be closer to our shores. 
      In the short term it needs to make sure that exported livestock is only killed in Australian approved abattoirs.  All cattle are tagged so it would be quite easy for an audit trail to be established to ensure that they are only processed in the approved and monitored abattoirs.
      We need to ensure that animal exporting is also conducted in a humane manner.
      There are economic and religious issues that also need to be addressed. The acceptance of ‘stunners’ and knocking boxes as used in Australia to render the beast unconscious needs to be provided and used. 
      Meat I Australia needs a complete overhaul. Fostering export markets should be only part of their role. Their corporate role was to ensure that animal welfare is introduced and maintained. They have failed. It needs to have a role for the introduction and upkeep of humane practices in these export markets. Exports to other countries needs to be immediately reviewed. A senate inquiry needs to be established.

    • kyre says:

      12:21pm | 15/06/11

      Kellogg’s do Nutrigrain, not Uncle Toby’s sorry to be nitpicky and ignore the point of the article

    • Keen Observer says:

      01:28pm | 15/06/11

      Geoff, 400 ppm of Cyanide will kill us but isnt that beside the point of that little mini argument….does 400 ppm of CO² actually warm the planet???

    • Geoff Russell says:

      01:47pm | 15/06/11

      Katter argued that 400ppm couldn’t warm the planet because it 400 ppm was such a tiny amount. My point was that this is a faulty argument in general because tiny amounts can have large impacts. You simply can’t
      decide such matters without proper measurement and science. Plenty of agricultural laborers around the world get poisoned spraying chemicals on plants because they follow Katter’s logic ... surely a few drops of this harmless looking liquid can’t hurt me!  People have been cooking with wood fires for millenia, but wood smoke kills. This isn’t
      obvious, you need plenty of hard work to discover things like this. Arguments like “it’s natural so it must be good” should be consigned to the dustbin of common but flawed thinking.

      And what do scientists say about 400 ppm? They say it is warming the planet. No amount of Katter folk wisdom is relevant.

    • Keen Observer says:

      02:22pm | 15/06/11

      Thanks Geoff, a simple yes would have sufficed though.

    • Adriana Wall says:

      02:59pm | 15/06/11

      Thanks for bringing that up Geoff, I thought maybe I was hearing things when I watched him say that, not once but twice, on the show and no one battered an eyelid.
      Great article, couldn’t adhere more.

    • Adriana says:

      04:55pm | 15/06/11

      Adhere? Where it that come from. Of course I mean agree.

    • DH says:

      03:17pm | 15/06/11

      Geoff, good stuff. Nice to see this important issue getting an airing at the moment. Hopefully a bit of discussion and eduction can change things for the better.

    • jim morris says:

      03:19pm | 15/06/11

      The Halal Authority clearly states that animals must not be stunned before slaughter. That is the crux of the problem that is almost entirely ignored. Even the blonde person who shot the videos stated “It has nothing to do with religion.” Not true.
      The animals aren’t being humanely slaughtered (stunned) because of the dictates of an obsolete religion.  Just another example of people talking around the problem because they have accepted self-censorship in regard to ‘hogwash that must be respected’.

    • jade (the other one) says:

      05:16pm | 15/06/11

      Kosher meat is slaughtered the same way. But I bet we won’t see the same level of condemnation of Israel.

    • Rebecca says:

      01:35am | 16/06/11

      From my (somewhat limited) understanding, Halal meat (muslim law) is only obtained by ‘respectful’ / ethical killing.

      The ‘no stunning’ bit - I’m sure you could amount ‘ethics’ and ‘moral’ debates on this - but that’s a religious matter - so who is going to start THAT argument here?

    • stephen says:

      05:16pm | 15/06/11

      The veges of Europe are getting a dunking for EColi, so I’ll reckon I’ll have that steak please, (and then another.)

    • Sharon says:

      10:32pm | 15/06/11

      Spot on again Geoff, thanks!

      Time for the meat industry to stop peddling myths and lies and treating animal cruelty as some kind of PR exercise that they can continue to dismiss.

      The high animal product diet of the wealthy western world is unsustainable on environmental, human health and animal cruelty grounds.

      It is manifestly unethical and irresponsible for our politicians to continue to mislead poorer developing nations into following our harmful choices.

      Bob Katter is an embarrassment and is clearly grasping at straws in a desperate attempt to save this vile trade that the industry has been profiting from for decades.  The vast majority of Australians are saying enough is enough.

    • Phil says:

      04:45pm | 30/06/11

      Katter is most vocal and visible of all our poli-rednecks. His populist drivel plays well in the boondocks and the shock jock airwaves. The twanging of banjos in the background is a death knell for civilized behavior and enlightened thought. I think I have discovered a new noun. Katterish. A redneck language, incapable of being coherently communicated in writing, spoken(preferably shouted) by morons at a high volume.

 

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They must pay for one’s bitter disappointments

A private school girl’s family is sueing her elite, extremely expensive private school for not… Read more

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