The NSW police commissioner said earlier this week that police could soon be doubling as camera men and women, recording footage of alcohol-related confrontations. This would serve as evidence of bad behaviour and support the Force’s current Operation Unite and previous hard-line campaigns.


Andrew Scipione claims the cameras will enhance “transparency” and “accountability”. But the officers would be the ones to press Record, Stop and Delete, meaning there would be no guarantee of honest, fair and unbiased representation. Or transparency, for that matter. Would you expect to see incriminating or abusive footage that implicates the Police in any way? Hardly.

If ever such recordings were admissible in court, the one-sided footage could also be prejudicial.

Nobody is denying that Australia has alcohol and substance abuse issues. Same goes for excessive police force and discretionary powers, if you ask me. But are police cameras really the answer? Scipione thinks so.

“The footage captures the raw experiences of our police officers, from their own eyes,” he said in The Daily Telegraph’s report on Monday. “If anyone decides they want to throw a punch at one of these officers, or any of our emergency service officers, they should understand that we’ll throw the book at you.”

Interesting comment given the Brazilian student, Roberto Curti’s death is still fresh in our minds. Perhaps Scipione should explain the anticipated outcome of these publicly funded gadgets. How exactly are they expected to curb alcohol-related brawls and incidents? And how is he going to ensure that any abuses of power are also caught on camera?

What’s next: an Aussie version of COPS? Will we soon see ads for a reality TV program which uses raw takes from an officer’s bullet-proof vest? Why watch Border Security when you’ve got Aussie COPS with shocking scenes of Kings Cross where incoherent drunk teens fall all over the road?

New South Wales law enforcement is particularly obsessed with disorderly young men who go too hard on the grog. The publicity of such crime and “zero tolerance” campaigns are of course, a result of the Force’s Hulk-like PR machine. I can’t think of a better PR vehicle, or even revenue source, than a reality TV series showing how the Police are fighting hard to keep drunks off the streets.

The next organised purge of drunkards from NSW streets will be this weekend. So watch out, you could be on candid camera.

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    • youdy beaudy says:

      05:49am | 06/12/12

      Well, we all know that NSW is a Police state don’t we. I think that they watch LA law too much. Now, if they didn’t sell alcohol, then guess what, no drunks in the street, easy solution. Close down the pubs and clubs make alcohol illegal in NSW or maybe after fitting the ball and chains to all of those NSW people they might introduce meters on the drinkers throats with a contraption that only allows them to consume a few schooners.

      In fairness to the NSW police state coppers one must say that every god damned police force in the country are the same. Queensland, Victoria, WA etc., all police states.

      That poor kid that was tasered and died is a typical example of their bully boy tactics. That is where all the bullies from school end up, remember them, wonder where they went, well, that’s where they ended up becoming coppers.

      Now, of course we know that their are some decent coppers out there but they would be a minority. It is unfortunate that the public have to put up with them. If the revolution comes one day then they will be found hiding in the closet. Hard words against them but they want to be like LA law, they want to show they have some power over the public but at the end of the day we could get rid of them very promptly because there are more of us.

      The day will come when the public get their revenge but in the meantime they will put in more cameras to watch us all very closely as we are the cash cows that provide their money each week. I don’t know why they don’t fit us all up with the ole ball and chain so they can really control us all. We have to remember that this country and in particular Sydney was started as a Penal colony and it hasn’t really changed over the 200 years. Still a penal colony after all this time and not about to change soon.

    • DBT says:

      08:34am | 06/12/12

      Wow, five paragraphs of rubbish, well done.

    • Tell It Like It Is says:

      09:02am | 06/12/12

      That poor kid who was tasered and died was in a psychotic state from the illegal drugs he’d been taken and probably bought in Kings Cross. Probably highly unlikely that such an outcome would have arisen if he had not had taken the drugs.
      And I am most definitely certain that the majority of cops are decent and have the right intention.
      And you have no idea what a real “police state” is and means vis a vis individual freedoms. Perhaps, @youdy boudy, you might consider growing up as an option.  And you wouldn’t by any chance be engaged in the liquor industry, would you?

    • Gregg says:

      09:03am | 06/12/12

      Seems you have a majority problem with policing youdy beaudy and you might even be one of those who cannot apply self control to their drinking.
      We ought to sort those out and brand a huge UOA on their foreheads so as people know not to serve them alcohol.

      As for Deborah’s views and sure there will always be exceptions like how the Brazillian was over policed to good policing or lack of appropriate leadership. and then with:
      ” New South Wales law enforcement is particularly obsessed with disorderly young men who go too hard on the grog. The publicity of such crime and “zero tolerance” campaigns are of course, a result of the Force’s Hulk-like PR machine. I can’t think of a better PR vehicle, or even revenue source, than a reality TV series showing how the Police are fighting hard to keep drunks off the streets. “
      Seeing as it could be disorderly young men that may not just suck up a lot of policing time and tax payers funds but also be likely to assault police officers or other emergency workers, it is full credit to any campaign directed towards getting the message into them that there are requirements to be met in being a responsible member of our society and if you do not like it we’ll stamp and even stomp down on you.
      More and more policewomen are out there too and I imagine it is even harder physically for them to handle the unruly elements and dregs of our society.

      If it means chucking them into month long detention centres to clear the streets of riff raff, so be it and allow the police to get on with more important duties.

    • Mark says:

      11:16am | 06/12/12

      @Tell It Like It Is- Regardless, taking drugs is not and should not be a death sentence. Especially being adjudged as so by an uneducated police officer who has done about 6 months training in total, a small fraction of that in weapons training. Last I heard, you needed to go to uni for 4 years to interpret and apply the law. We let power hungry drop kicks do it here.

      Even in America, the land of the firearm, every cop has to go to university in order to hold a firearm on duty. We let them and the academy rejects carry them here. Police state indeed.

    • Ex says:

      11:53am | 06/12/12

      @Mark,

      I don’t know where you got your information, by far and away most US Police do not hold University Degrees.

    • Tell It Like It Is says:

      11:54am | 06/12/12

      A lot of people who go to uni aren’t that smart @Mark, and certainly not always overburdened with ethics. Look at all the dodgy lawyers around!

    • Tell It Like It Is says:

      12:37pm | 06/12/12

      “Taking drugs is not and should not be a death sentence”  @Mark. I totally agree but that is often the end result, self-administered; no tasers or guns required. Dangerous business but a choice some make.

    • youdy beaudy says:

      05:17pm | 06/12/12

      @ DBt, you must be a copper. You think its rubbish well that’s your biased opinion. You need to get a new career as one day you might bully someone or tazer them and maybe they may come around and pay you a special visit. That’s what should happen to the Aboriginie killing mongrels and the tazer specialists. Not worth two bob none of them. My Grandfather who was a soldier told me as a kid that, ” once a copper never a man.” I’ve often wondered whether he was right but i do agree with him after a lifetime lived in a society with the mongrels. Bring on the revolution, buddy.!

    • Ex says:

      05:59am | 06/12/12

      “But the officers would be the ones to press Record, Stop and Delete, meaning there would be no guarantee of honest, fair and unbiased representation.”

      The media have been doing it for a hundred years, unhappy to lose the monopoly?

    • Mark says:

      11:18am | 06/12/12

      Hardly, the media have been pigeon holed by government and military bodies every since the US blamed their loss in Vietnam on media coverage.
      They are now little more than a mouth piece for government propaganda. That being said, we now have the internet so we don’t need to take the media as gospel.

    • Ex says:

      11:56am | 06/12/12

      Yeah right, the media NEVER bag the Police.  Never.  Not sure which country you live in.

    • Allan says:

      12:15pm | 06/12/12

      The public have with their ubiquitous mobile phones the power of Record Stop and Delete. Any person has to work on the assumption that there is a camera recording their actions in any public place.
      Otherwise how would we get the images of people acting badly on the reality TV programs.

    • Ex says:

      06:11am | 06/12/12

      “Andrew Scipione claims the cameras will enhance “transparency” and “accountability”.”

      It’s called evidence.  It will enhance evidence before the courts.  Strangely, that would be their purpose, not titillating bits for Australia’s cheap entertainment.  Have we become so distorted by reality television that we expect our crime to be entertaining?  If we don’t get a television show out of the footage we don’t approve of the expense?

      “What’s next: an Aussie version of COPS? Will we soon see ads for a reality TV program which uses raw takes from an officer’s bullet-proof vest? Why watch Border Security when you’ve got Aussie COPS with shocking scenes of Kings Cross where incoherent drunk teens fall all over the road”

      The Force - Behind the Line
      RBT
      AFP

      “New South Wales law enforcement is particularly obsessed with disorderly young men who go too hard on the grog.”

      So are we over the ‘One Punch Can Kill’ campaign?

      (Yes, Dear moderator, I realise you probably won’t have the gumption to print this)

    • fml says:

      12:23pm | 06/12/12

      Haha, looks like the moderator showed you!

    • Sickemrex says:

      06:17am | 06/12/12

      It’s not the first day of April and I can’t find a trace of irony in the article. So by process of elimination, I’ll take it as an attempt at serious writing.

      Author, police have been openly using mobile cameras for years. Criminals have been recording incidents for years. Impartial bystanders have been recording incidents for years. Police have been using CCTV footage for years. And here’s a thing, if police try not to include footage because it “looks bad” defence get it anyway through a process you may not have heard of called “disclosure”.

      Are you seriously going to try to argue that visual images and sounds recorded at the time are LESS transparent that getting everyone’s verbal statement?

    • Seano says:

      06:24am | 06/12/12

      I am a big believer in the rule of law and supporting our police in doing a very tough job. But O’Farrell and Scippione are making it very difficult to maintain the faith with the unfettered powers police have been given under this new government and the way police were given a slap on the wrist after tasering that kid to death.

      “But the officers would be the ones to press Record, Stop and Delete, meaning there would be no guarantee of honest, fair and unbiased representation.”

      This is exactly what’s wrong with the NSW Police force at the moment. Any quality police force should have nothing to fear from an honest, reasoned and fair appraisal of their actions. The fact that Scipione wants this footage for propaganda but not for accountability is scary to say the least.

    • Fiddler says:

      06:45am | 06/12/12

      except that police work extremely long shifts, from a technical perspective could they carry a small camera that records and stores for 12 hours nonstop? Where would all that information be stored. You don’t want the police being able to switch it on and off at will? Well I’m sure they don’t want to have it still recording when they’re taking a dump either.

      The concept behind it is that when they see people carrying on like tools in the street they can press record and present the evidence at court, as opposed to having some thug rock up in a freshly bought Lowes suit, a sorry look and claiming they were doing nothing, never swore and the police decided to pick on them and it never happened I swear your honour.

      It would also mean that police could interview people at the scene.

      Oh, and “that kid” (not a kid, but yeah anyway) wasn’t “tasered to death”. I’m guessing you hate police because one gave you a speeding ticket once and you are still upset about it,

    • Pedro says:

      09:01am | 06/12/12

      @Fiddler - remember your casual words when you are harassed by the boys in blue.
      What’s the old parable about not sticking for anyone and then when the cops come for you, there’s no one left to stick up you?
      Maybe you’ll end up like Ron Levi - on Bondi Beach, confused and no danger to anyone else. Or Adam Salter ...“Members of the NSW Police Force misled the public and their superiors about the 2009 shooting of the mentally ill Sydney man Adam Salter” - which is a polite way of saying someone lied. As happened with the poor kid from Brazil. And he was a kid, you heartless troll.
      Enjoy drowning some kittens this weekend.

    • Compliance at any cost says:

      09:02am | 06/12/12

      fiddler
      That kid was tasered to death and joins the list of hundreds of people killed by police by taser.
      You are in denial.
      It has been said that Tasers represent a shift from policing by consent with the community to paramilitary policing.  Is that what we want in Australia a military police state? These devices are proving popular with police and are obviously being used more frequently than they’re supposed to.  An example of how this type of policing gets away from the police is the use of capsicum spray.  When it was introduced variously around the country five to eight years ago, the selling point from police ministers was it will be used instead of a police officer having to draw his gun (would the police have drawn their gun on this kid/?). Now capsicum spray is being used around the country every day in ordinary, mundane situations. The same is starting to happen with the taser gun in Australia. 
      These weapons are being treated as compliance tools.
      Misuse will continue until they are relieved of these weapons, or someone other than the police investigate the police

    • Tell It Like It Is says:

      09:08am | 06/12/12

      And @Seano, any citizen who is not engaging in anything illegal or dodgy should have nothing to fear from security cameras.
      And the kid that was “tasered” to death had a system full of drugs. It is highly likely that he would not have died had he not been doing illegal drugs. 

      I have never heard of the author of this article so I don’t know what her authority is to even be publishing this article. She pays only lip service to serious issues to do with illegal drugs and alcohol abuse which is exactly what we don’t need in our society. Very irresponsible.

    • Modern Primitive says:

      09:08am | 06/12/12

      That kid was, in fact, tasered to death. If they didn’t repeatedly kick, punch, spray and Taze him while he was on the ground underneath 6 police officers, the odds are that he’d still be alive.

    • Modern Primitive says:

      09:33am | 06/12/12

      Tell it, lots of people do drugs every weekend. That doesn’t give the state the right to electorate them.

      Your ascertation that he wouldn’t have died if he wasn’t on drugs is nonsense. He would still he alive if he wasn’t tasered.

    • Ex says:

      09:40am | 06/12/12

      Hey Pedro,

      Ron Levi - broke the law.  Adam Salter - broke the law.  Roberto Curti - broke the law.

      Here’s a novel approach, if you don’t break the law, you don’t get in trouble.

    • Ex says:

      09:44am | 06/12/12

      Compliance,

      Why didn’t we here from you at the Coronial Inquest over ruling the (actual) experts about the cause of death.  Though you weren’t there and have zero medical qualifications, apparently you know the cause of death.

      They were never issued as a replacement weapon, they were an additional choice.  Neither are a replacement for the firearm.

      I suspect rational thought and you are poles apart.

    • The thin blue line just got thinner says:

      09:49am | 06/12/12

      @Tell It Like It Is

      So you think the punishment for taking a hit of X or LSD or some other drug should be death by taser?
      Judge jury and executioner.
      Hope you aren’t a cop and if you are, hope you reap what you are sowing one day.

    • Seano says:

      10:04am | 06/12/12

      @Tell It Like It Is - What complete rot. The kid was handcuffed and on the ground, it’s nothing to do with the drugs and everything to do with the fact that once the kid was subdued there was absolutely no need to send another massive jolt of electricity through his body. The rest of your comment is too silly to be bothered with.

      @Fiddler -

      1. Typical police shifts are not 12 hours. Putting controls, procedural and technical around when cameras are on shouldn’t too hard. I would imagine most police who are doing their job properly would not mind having their work recorded as it should serve as a record that would protect them for vexatious claims.

      2. If police are still arresting people for swearing they either need to get a thicker skin or a new job because doing so is a waste of police and court time and tax payer money.

      3. The kid was handcuffed and subdued and they tasered him again. Of course they tasered him to death, they failed in their duty of care by using the taser in a punitive way and all that’s happened is a slap on the wrist.

      4. Nice job finishing with a personal attack, I guess it’s what you have to do when a cogent and lucid argument is beyond. Kudos.

    • Tell It Like It Is says:

      10:06am | 06/12/12

      What many of you anti-police (let’s ‘tell it like it is, now!) commenters fail to understand, vis a vis spray or tasers, is that the perpetrators of crime have changed too, notwithstanding being under the increasing influence of dangerous as well as illegal drugs. We live in an increasingly violent society to which the police have to react in kind really. And much of the problem can laid at the feet of do-gooding ‘civil rights libertarians’ who believe that the perpetrator has more rights than the victim or victims and whose personal rights and choices are infinitely more important than the welfare of others and society in general. And thanks also to a lot of very dodgy lawyers with rubbery morality out there too!
      Just yesterday I saw an advert on a website page for ‘Shout’ which is a publication for pubs and clubs and liquor licensees etc. It was advertising special lawyers to get clients off drink driving charges. A noble pursuit arguably! Much better to get them off a deserved charge and into therapy or jail than have them driving around endangering others. It’s their right to drink to excess!!
      But the police and society are definitely dealing with a new kind of animal and I mean animal!

    • Ex says:

      10:07am | 06/12/12

      Except it was proven that the Taser didn’t kill him.

    • LongBayCrow says:

      10:15am | 06/12/12

      @ex
      Anyone with half a brain knows that without the repeated tasering, that kid would still be alive.
      You don’t know, I’m guessing you would be a cop.
      half a brain and five foot nothing are the recruitment standards these days I understand.

    • John L says:

      10:44am | 06/12/12

      Sorry guys, he wasn’t tasered to death; he was tasered to the ground then had some beef cake officer lie on top of him along with a couple of direct stuns to his back and 2 cans of capsicum spray in his face. He died of Positional Asphyxia.

    • Ex says:

      10:49am | 06/12/12

      LongBayCrow

      Apparently you have more medical expertise than the medical experts.  Did you get your medical degree while doing time?  More often you are on the ‘inside’ the better the rest of society will be.

    • Greg says:

      10:49am | 06/12/12

      Hey ‘Ex’ - they broke the law so they deserve DEATH - have you ever broken the law you fool? You must answer yes - so why are you still alive? You make me sick with your grandstanding - you are obviously a cop, and one that gives the rest a bad name. Understand this - they WERE killed by the police - whether or not they broke the law is IRRELEVANT. They did not deserve to be killed. Finally mate, I hope you get yours at some time. Idiot scumbag.

    • Rob says:

      10:58am | 06/12/12

      @ex

      “Adam Salter - broke the law”

      Sure did, attempted suicide is illegal.

      Didn’t know the punishment for it was death by overweight firing squad, though. Last I checked it’s an offense that tends not to end up in Court…

      Ditto Curti, stole a couple of packs of biscuits and failed to stop when directed. Was under the impression that both are misdemenour offenses and would be unlikely to attract a custodial sentence.

      You are doing a bang up job trying to justify extrajudicial executions, though, keep at it champ.

    • Tell It Like It Is says:

      11:11am | 06/12/12

      No @ThinBlueLine,  am most definitely not a police(woman in my case). So I won’t be “reaping what I’m sowing” (lovely kind sentiment, thanks, just the same.) Not that I’m sowing anything. Simple really. There are laws and rules for good reason. So I don’t break them. I have no fear of dealing with the police because I’ve got nothing to hide or answer for. Too easy. But I do believe that if one ‘shakes the dice, one pays the price’. That’s too easy too! Otherwise, the only answer really is to go live on an island somewhere where one doesn’t have to take into account anyone else in society or their welfare. So it CAN BE all about you - or whoever so chooses that path!

    • Ex says:

      11:34am | 06/12/12

      Awww poor Gweg is butthurt…no one said they deservred to die…no one…but please continue your rant…no one deserves to die but you are quite happy for violence to be metered out at Police…says all that you are really.  The scumbug is in the mirror chump.

    • Fiddler says:

      11:55am | 06/12/12

      @ seano, in NSW yes they are. For the police who will be wearing them almost every shift is 12 hours long. Given that you have this part wrong the rest of what you say has little credibility.

      And yes people do get arrested for swearing in the street and have been for well…. as long as courts have been in existence

    • Pedro says:

      12:03pm | 06/12/12

      Nice trolling @Ex.
      No one the cops have killed “broke the law”. You can only “break the law” if you are charged with an offence and found guilty. Remember innocent until proven guilty? Inconvenient for trigger happy coppers i know.
      Curti was dobbed in by a busybody across the street who rang the cops. The shop employee didn’t think much of the incident. And the cops were running around like morons looking for an armed villain.
      Gee - I have two degrees. I wonder if I would be Police Commissioner now had I joined the force? Strikes me anyone with minimal smarts can do well considering the trogoldytes who make up the majority of cops - and don’t start me on the bull dykes who love kicking people when they are down.
      And the “don’t do anything wrong and you’re fine” brigade would no doubt have prospered in Nazi Germany and Stalin Russia dobbing their neighbours into the secret police.

    • Seano says:

      12:06pm | 06/12/12

      Yeah I’m a “do-gooder” because I don’t think that police should taser a kid who is on the ground, handcuffed, passive and surrounded by 6 coppers. Your handle @Tell It Like It Is is meant be ironic yes?

    • difficult lemon says:

      12:54pm | 06/12/12

      @ Modern Primitive

      “That doesn’t give the state the right to electorate them.’

      Electorate?!

      “Your ascertation ...’

      Ascertation?!

      This grammar/spelling is so bad it’s funny. Well done!!

    • Ex says:

      01:18pm | 06/12/12

      @Pedro

      If you can only ‘break the law’ if you are charged and found guilty then clearly these officers have done nothing wrong.

    • Seano says:

      01:47pm | 06/12/12

      @Fiddler

      “Flexible rostering can mean employees work varied shifts from 8 to 12 hours”

      http://www.police.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0018/113661/lifestyle.pdf

      There’s nothing wrong with my arguments other than your failure to challenge them.

      “And yes people do get arrested for swearing in the street and have been for well…. as long as courts have been in existence”

      And yet again simple concepts elude you, arresting people for swearing is a waste of tax payer money and police and court time. Just because it happens doesn’t mean it should.

    • Ando says:

      02:30pm | 06/12/12

      Tell it,
      “But I do believe that if one ‘shakes the dice, one pays the price’. That’s too easy too.’
      So there is no point at which you would question police procedures or perceived over reaction. I will always defend police . Some will blindly attack the police regardless of the situation just like you seem to think we cant question their conduct because a crime was committed. I would have thought anyone watching the footage would question if , once cuffed, there was an over reaction . Did you at any point consider this a possibility or did you go straight to “he rolled the dice”.

    • Tator says:

      04:02pm | 06/12/12

      Seano,
      flexible shifts from 8 to 12 hours,  Different areas work different shift rosters.  Dayshift workers in Police services work an 8 hour shift Monday to Friday and shift workers can work different rosters which contain 12 hour shifts.  I worked a roster which had a mixture of 10, 9 and 8 hour shifts.  Where I work now, I get to work 12 hour days on a regular basis, so it is not uncommon.  Plus Fiddler is correct, if the shift length is 12 hours, it will take a lot of data to record 12 hours of high definition video will take up around 72 gigabytes of storage space which under current Police regs, needs to be kept for 7 years.  So for a Police service to store every minute of every day worked by patrol officers, say 2000 patrol officers per 12 hour shift, 2 shifts a day, 365 days a year works out to be 10 petabytes a year or 104,000 terabytes, and that is just the original copies, let alone working copies for prosecutions and investigations and that is being conservative.

    • Seano says:

      05:18pm | 06/12/12

      Tator

      I agree it would be impossible considering current space requirements to record every minute of every day. But it wont be too many years before it’s not given the rate that technology is advancing. My issue was more to do with the ability for police to selectively edit what is recorded or when it is record.

      As for Fiddler, he was just trying to misdirect the argument because I challenged his contention that all shifts are 12 hours.

      Stay safe mate.

    • Criminologist says:

      06:29am | 06/12/12

      There was a time when the word of a Police Officer was accepted evidence before the Courts.  Society determined that this wasn’t fair and wasn’t in the interests of the defendant.  Digital recording was introduced in order to rectify this apparent deficiency.  With the introduction of memory chips, material recorded is able to be recovered even after it has been deleted.  Enhancing the digital gathering of evidence can only ever be a positive step forward.  After all, it presents what actually happened to the Court.  I can’t imagine why anyone would think that would be prejudicial. 

      Victims of crime should be more important than criminals.

    • Fiddler says:

      06:48am | 06/12/12

      because some people just love to whinge

    • Mark says:

      11:29am | 06/12/12

      And people who commit crime while holding the trust of the general public should be punished most harshly. Until the individuals who break the law while wearing the uniform are properly tarred and feathered, the populations trust and acceptance of a police officers word as truth will never exist.

      Simple as that, if the law and the police want to protect and harbour these criminals, then we shall treat all of them as such.

      The video today of the cop in SA beating those blokes with the baton is all the proof we need that something is seriously wrong with giving uneducated people that kind of power.

    • Criminologist says:

      01:21pm | 06/12/12

      So one would think you would encourage the Police to visually record everything they do.  The author wants the opposite.

    • OchreBunyip says:

      06:34am | 06/12/12

      If the programme was truly about transparency, the police wearing the cameras would not be in control of them. it is a cynical attempt to whitewash the casual brutality of the Police.

    • Me says:

      09:36am | 06/12/12

      What about when the police need to go to the bathroom? You want the cameras to record that? or do you think the police should have to go to the sergeant ‘s desk to ask permission to have their camera switched off so they can go to the toilet like a child?

    • Kev says:

      10:35am | 06/12/12

      Prove that police are casually brutal.  You sound like those protesters who go to demonstrations, run amok and then whine on TV and social media when police intervene. It’s funny because I’ve walked past police officers many times and I’ve never been abused by them. It seems like those who whine the loudest are those who have done something to attract it.

    • Adam says:

      08:42am | 06/12/12

      Why do so many people want stupid drunks to walk free, and treat the cops like they were the criminals. Most honest people trust the cops and are thankful they do a good job (one we would rather not do). More power to the Cops….

      The Highway Patrol cars all have video that the driver can not tamper with. The video comes on when they put on the flashing lights.  I’m sure the same type of protections would be in place for cameras warn on uniform or or filmed by hand.

      Get over yourself Police haters ... IF the Brazilian kid was not high on illegal drugs and doing the wrong thing he would be alive today ... stop protecting assholes and support the Cops.

    • subotic cops it sweet says:

      08:44am | 06/12/12

      The NSW police commissioner said earlier this week that police could soon be doubling as camera men and women,

      Too bad they’re not doubling as… errrrrr… cops.

      Real cops, I mean.

      Y’know, the ones who arrest “actual” criminals instead of, say, tazering foreign students, harrassing aboriginals, and generally being uniformed assholes.

    • Ex says:

      09:48am | 06/12/12

      Aww your rap sheet getting too long sub?  Bong on brother, bong on.

    • Modern Primitive says:

      10:11am | 06/12/12

      Gladly bong on, weed at the very least should be taxed and regulated like alcohol and cigarettes. It is stupidity to have it classed as an illegal drug.

    • subotic says:

      11:46am | 06/12/12

      Aww your rap sheet getting too long sub?

      Nope.

      I just hate cops as a matter of principle.

      I’ve never met a cop yet who I wouldn’t like to see suffer in some form or another….

    • simonfromlakemba says:

      12:38pm | 06/12/12

      Have to agree with Sub here.

    • Joel M-J says:

      03:00pm | 06/12/12

      @ subotic - “I’ve never met a cop yet who I wouldn’t like to see suffer in some form or another”

      How very law abiding and upstanding of you. Are you sadistic? Or just prejudiced towards authority?

    • Modern Primitive says:

      03:10pm | 06/12/12

      Exactly how is predjudice towards authority a bad thing?

    • subotic drops it like a cop says:

      03:13pm | 06/12/12

      @Joel M-J, i have such a hatred for authority and being “policed/ monitored” that I take the side entrance to my office just to avoid the security guards at the front door.

      How very law abiding and upstanding of you

      Why, thank you. As someone’s grandmother once said, “If you don’t stand for something, you’ll go for anything”. (Gil Scott-Herron’s grandmother now I think about it)

      I make it my civil duty to stick it to “The Man” wherever I can, even in the little things in life.

      Somebody gotta do it….

    • Ex says:

      04:34pm | 06/12/12

      How is prejudice towards criminals a bad thing?

    • Tell It Like It Is says:

      08:58am | 06/12/12

      “But the officers would be the ones to press Record, Stop and Delete, meaning there there would be no guarantee of honest, fair and unbiased representation” . 
      What about all the others operating cameras /phone cameras and recorders and submitting matter used as evidence? Those shooters are just as capable of ‘editing’ that material. 
      Honestly, I marvel at anyone wanting to join the police. Who would do it?! What they have to put up with nowadays - and I am not myself a policeman, don’t know or am related to any - beggars belief.  All the abuse, physical and otherwise they must withstand from so much low life with all these civil libertarians precluding any real justice most of the time. So in answer to your question ‘are cameras necessary?’. Absolutely!  Get real!
      Where I live we thank God often for the local police. Without them life would be a misery for local residents. 
      And overall any alleged abuse of power by police is vastly outweighed by the violent, criminal and unacceptable unsociable behaviour of too much of society.

    • init says:

      09:05am | 06/12/12

      There is a fine line between being a cop and being a thug.

    • subotic says:

      09:44am | 06/12/12

      The badge bit?

    • Ex says:

      09:51am | 06/12/12

      The cops should become more thuggish, that way they would get more support from the criminal loving scumbags in our society.

    • init says:

      10:00am | 06/12/12

      Pin a badge on a thug and you have an instant cop.
      kind of like two minute noodles.
      You already have the attitude, now just add the armament

    • Modern Primitive says:

      10:44am | 06/12/12

      Who are the scumbags? Taking drugs doesn’t turn you into a criminal scumbag. That former cops have this attitude shows that the police see the public merely as criminals that haven’t been caught yet.

      Thugs, bully boys and cowards all hiding behind a uniform.

    • subotic says:

      11:53am | 06/12/12

      Guess we need a definition of “criminal” and “law enforcement officer”.

      Criminal - Russ Hinze.
      Law enforcement officer - Ned Kelly.

      Something like that?

      I mean, I’d have loved someone in a tin suit like Kelly shoot Hinzey instead of having him get away with criminal activity by dying on us.

      Buuuuuut anyway…

    • Ex says:

      12:02pm | 06/12/12

      No they see 90% of people as good people, the respect is vice versa.  It’s commonly known that those who scream loudest are the criminals themselves.  They are proud to take them off the streets and let the decent folk live their lives.

    • subotic says:

      12:27pm | 06/12/12

      Police Recruiter: You think you can just waltz in here with no pants and become a cop?

      Philip J. Fry:   That’s the plan.

      Police Recruiter: I like you, kid. I got no pants on either.

    • Mark990 says:

      03:35pm | 06/12/12

      Ex - The cops should become more ‘thuggish’ so they don’t have to taser people in the back to apprehend them… It is embarrassing to read your comments on here dude. Whilst you hate any drugs or alcohol or fast cars or anything else that may be considered in the slightest way fun, the majority of the community don’t wish people who engage in these activities to be murdered by a bunch of smug children cops who they do not trust…. oh yeah, probably should call you a ‘scumbag’ or something of the like as well as that seems to be the way to make everyone believe your point of view…

    • Tell It Like It Is says:

      09:13am | 06/12/12

      “The next organised purge of drunkards from NSW streets will be this weekend. So watch out, you could be on candid camera.” How very flippant a comment. Anyway, I say bring it on!

      And by the way this focus on alcohol - and drugs - abuse is not “obsessed with disorderly young men who go too hard on the grog.”  The problems are just as real with young women, like yourself if your photo is current.

      You should aprise yourself better of the facts before you set out to write such an article, implying that you are informed on the subject. Very sloppy work.

    • Jaqui says:

      09:23am | 06/12/12

      The video doesn’t lie, I for one am all for transparency, fact is that in many cases the police defence to a public recording is that it doesn’t show the whole story, well they can produce the whole story now. If that isn’t forthcoming then we can safely assume that the public recoding is the whole story. The police deserve the same rights as everyone else recording and the right to not have to put their word as the only evidence.

      Furthermore, if the recordings suddenly stop, this can be just as incriminating, take a look at this example for instance. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KM1ukwBGv4

      The more cameras the better! As a member of the public, if you see something you should record it.

    • Philosopher says:

      10:35am | 06/12/12

      why would you want to watch endless POV footage of uniformed men chomping doughnuts and drinking takeaway coffee?

      ‘As a member of the public, if you see something you should record it.’ Really? Once upon a time if you saw something you actually helped out, you didn’t turn it into Youtube entertainment. We’re becoming a society of amoral voyeurs.

    • Jaqui says:

      11:36am | 06/12/12

      @Philosopher: “Once upon a time if you saw something you actually helped out” That is called “obstructing justice”, please do not get in the way of the police while they are multiple tasering someone to death, rather just record it.

    • NotSoSimple says:

      02:19pm | 06/12/12

      Agree completely, Philosopher, in practice we are voyeurs.

      Paradoxically, however, the recent public disquiet re the publication (in aUK paper, I think)  of a photographer’s pic of the poor unfortunate man who was shoved onto the tracks in the path of an oncoming train ( the shot was taken seconds before he was killed)  and the fact that no one helped him, but could take time to stand there and take pictures gives me some hope that we are at least recognizing our voyeurism.  Recognising the problem is the first step to addressing it.

      PS. Am not providing a link to the shot since I have no wish to further traumatize viewers nor promote the sensationalization of the tragedy.

    • Kev says:

      09:24am | 06/12/12

      The only thing this would achieve is to give keyboard warriors ammunition to tear apart the actions of police from the comfort of a desk. If it’s genuine cases of brutality then by all means throw the book at police, but so far any examples that have been given by people claiming that police are using over the top levels of force are subjective.

    • Modern Primitive says:

      10:04am | 06/12/12

      Are you saying 6 people assaulting one man on the ground isn’t excessive?

    • Tator says:

      01:34pm | 06/12/12

      Modern primitive,
      in some cases, it isn’t.  A lot of mental health patients, intellectually disabled and people with substance abuse cannot be controlled by just one or two officers without inflicting serious injuries to either police or subject.  People who are in these categories do not respond normally in a combative situation and have been known to dislocate joints in their struggling whilst using normal police empty handed restraints as pain does not register when they are in an excited state.  When I was working in the Adelaide CBD, there was one regular who was intellectually disabled who also had mental health problems and we needed six officers to restrain her in a safe for everyone manner.  As a currently serving member with more than 20 years experience, I have been in situations where just two officers cannot restrain such a person, and I have the permanent reminder of a stuffed back with three bulging discs to remind me of why police use such tactics, and I was no 70 kg weakling, being back then, an 184cm, 100kg and fit officer from the old school prior to OC sprays and Tasers, so I knew how to use empty hand tactics as we had no other choice.  So what choice do we have, do we look bad but keep everyone relatively safe from serious injury or do we risk serious injuries like I have suffered so it looks like a fair fight.  I tell you one thing, Police officers are not paid to be punching bags and we will use every method in our continuum of force when it is required.  What people have to understand is that every police officer has different capabilities and will utilise different levels of force as the choice is made on the grounds of what that officer believes to be the case in front of him at the time.  Now if an officer makes a wrong decision and a tragedy occurs such as the Curti incident.  Firstly they are accountable by having to justify such actions in the Coroners court and if adverse findings are made of their actions, liable in both civil and criminal courts as well.  Having read the Curti Coroners findings, there were numerous criticisims made of the officers involved.  Having known quite a few officers who have been involved in fatalities from either shootings or other deaths, quite a large number of them resign, even after being cleared of any wrong doing by the coroner as the stress from the incident and the subsequent investigations gets too much.

    • Kev says:

      01:38pm | 06/12/12

      Modern Primitive - Typical simplistic reply from someone who will defend criminals to no end and attack police officers at the first chance. If a person was walking along and 6 people suddenly belted the living daylights out of them then yes it would be excessive. If this same person was violent, was aggressive, was behaving in a threatening manner and was refusing to comply with police demands to back down and it took 6 people to restrain him then so be it.

    • jimbo says:

      09:27am | 06/12/12

      To all the cop haters.  Go out and try to do their jobs for even a couple of days and you will probably find you would fail because you are only brave when you are sitting behind your mothers computer.
      I had 25 years in the job and I saw it all.  When asked by strangers what I did for a job I always replied Garbage Collector, which pretty well summed it up.
      If you haven’t done the job your comments are invalid.

    • Modern Primitive says:

      10:00am | 06/12/12

      As a former serving officer, do you think police are justified in using a last resort weapon supposedly reserved for situation where a gun would normally be used as a pain compliance tool?

      Are they justified in electrocuting people who are already subdued and present no immediate threat to the lives of any officer?

      Just because we haven’t done the job doesn’t mean police are free from scrutiny. That is the stupidest argument ever.

    • Tell It Like It Is says:

      10:08am | 06/12/12

      Hear! Hear!  Thank you @Jimbo.  25 years is a long time in a largely thankless job.

    • Seano says:

      10:24am | 06/12/12

      Bullshit. Sorry mate, I respect police, I do what I can to be compliant, respectful and helpful when dealing with them and I teach my kids the same. I supporter improving police pay and conditions precisely because it’s a tough job (and because if you pay peanuts you get monkeys).

      But just because police have a tough job does not mean they get to perform that job in anyway they see fit. We live in a society under the rule of law which all must adhere to, even police.

    • Helt says:

      10:34am | 06/12/12

      If you dont believe the cops you are uniformed

      If you do believe the cops you are misinformed

    • Tell It Like It Is says:

      10:49am | 06/12/12

      @Seano we do live in a society with laws which “all must adhere to”. That’s the plan anyway. But you know that’s not true or realistic. There is a great deal of scum out there who have no respect for the law and the rest of us must be protected from. I would suggest that a very small minority of police “perform that job in anyway they see fit”; i.e. operating outside police guidelines and the law. You must know that.

    • Greg says:

      10:55am | 06/12/12

      Jimbo, if you didn’t like WHY DO IT? Did someone force you? Typical post from a copper/ambo/Firey. F*cking whining pricks the lot of you. YOU became a cop so shut up you fool. Since you said it, trying to make yourself look good by calling yourself a garbage collector only makes the real garbage collectors look bad. Piss off idiot.

    • Ex says:

      10:55am | 06/12/12

      Tell me Modern,

      If the Taser replaced the Firearm as the option, how did they use the firearm as a ‘pain compliance tool’?

      The investigaton in relation to Curti is ongoing.  They were cleared of his death (by ACTUAL experts) not armchair detectives.

    • Greg says:

      10:55am | 06/12/12

      Jimbo, if you didn’t like WHY DO IT? Did someone force you? Typical post from a copper/ambo/Firey. F*cking whining pricks the lot of you. YOU became a cop so shut up you fool. Since you said it, trying to make yourself look good by calling yourself a garbage collector only makes the real garbage collectors look bad. Piss off idiot.

    • hammy says:

      11:00am | 06/12/12

      and yet…the Police haven’t been cleared of criminal behaviour in relation to Curti.  Such a hard concept for the pro criminal brigade to understand.

    • Rob says:

      11:15am | 06/12/12

      To all the cops, why don’t you swap places with a normal member of the public for a day and see how you like it?

      I tell you what, if you aren’t an office worker you’ve got no right to tell me how to let my hair down on a Friday night, so I don’t want to see you with your sniffer dogs, your stupid tough guy sunnies or any smarmy, obnoxious highway patrol mouth breathers anywhere near me when I clock off.

      If you haven’t tried to have a fun time in Sydney as a member of the general public with no get out of gaol free card, your comments are invalid.

    • Tell It Like It Is says:

      11:52am | 06/12/12

      Gosh @Rob we’ve got a long time to await maturity with you, it seems. If you’re this aggressive and hostile sober (presume you’re not drinking in the office/on the job) can’t imagine how you’ll be after 6 or 8 hours on the turps when too much grog is never enough! 
      Sounds like you should consider a career change. Perhaps the office isn’t the place for you.

    • Seano says:

      12:04pm | 06/12/12

      @Tell It Like It Is

      Complaining that cops have to deal with scumbags is right up there with complaining that doctors have to deal with sick people or plumbers have to deal with shit for not smart. It’s part of the job, if they don’t like it get into another facet of the police service or get out but don’t expect the right to deal with scumbags outside of the law.

    • Ex says:

      12:07pm | 06/12/12

      @Rob

      Where do most Police come from…..oh that’s right, regular jobs.  I am glad that society sees your thoughts and behaviour as outside the law.  You deserve it.

    • Philosopher says:

      01:05pm | 06/12/12

      greg: are you on parole or out on bail? Try to stay out of trouble mate, and you will have nothing to worry about from the cops, just like most normal people.

    • Rob says:

      01:36pm | 06/12/12

      Not sure you got the joke there champ, might have to be a bit more blunt I guess.

      If everyone has to be an expert on everyone else’s job in order to be allowed to comment on their performance, how is it you’re allowed to vote for who runs the country?

      I don’t expect people to know the ins and outs of my day to day in order to comment on my behavior in public - simply put, if I’m doing something that I get called on, maybe I was behaving badly?

      Now, stop and think for a moment: what could possibly make normal people nervous around big, burly blokes with an aggressive attitude and lotsa guns?

      If you want the lovey-dovey image of being the defenders of the people, maybe a bit of introspection is needed. Take a minute to look at how your lot interact with normal people.

      Take the highway patrol for a start - the man in the uniform that normal people deal with most frequently.

      Ever noticed how many of them are absolute pricks? Even GDs call them ‘cockroaches’.

      That’s the fella we all see, not this rather elusive, noble ‘defender of the right’ physical personification of the forces of all that is good that ardent police defenders have in their head. We see the douche standing over people just going about their day because he can.

      Then we see the ten-odd guys bailing up kids at a train station, wrap around sunnies with the commando boots and the aggro body language. Terrified kids, grown men with guns and no pity.

      It’s not a fantastic look, people don’t like guns and they don’t like aggression. Calm down, stop behaving like State-sponsored psychopaths, maybe people might start cutting you some slack then.

      Till the attitude change becomes apparent, expect a bit of scrutiny.

    • Ex says:

      03:21pm | 06/12/12

      Rob

      You should probably know that the Police have been under scrutiny since they came into being, few of them fear this scrutiny, they don’t do anything wrong.  Need a tissue, you sound too precious for this world.

    • Modern Primitive says:

      09:45am | 06/12/12

      The gushing defence of the police by some commenters here scares me. Authority is to be questioned, not venerated. We are obviously still a prison colony in many ways.

    • Tell It Like It Is says:

      10:53am | 06/12/12

      The gushing lack of support for the police @ModernPrimitive (hhhmmmm..interesting moniker!) frightens me even more. But clearly you believe more in people setting their own rules and regulations. However, accepting that living in a society requires police and laws does not mean one does not question authority, or anything else. It is purely and simply a matter of common sense. If you live in a society there must be laws and order or chaos results. Humans aren’t really that much higher in intelligence than other 4 legged animals. Otherwise, we wouldn’t need police in Kings Cross or anywhere else every weekend night to protect us from the thugs and idiots.

    • Ex says:

      11:04am | 06/12/12

      No different to the gushing defence of criminals.  Criminal behaviour should be condemned, not promoted.  We are obviously becoming Lord of the Flies in many ways.

    • Modern Primitive says:

      11:40am | 06/12/12

      How do either of you think I’m suggesting we get rid of police and encourage criminal behaviour?

    • HC says:

      12:06pm | 06/12/12

      @Tell it like it is

      You’ve been remarkably obnoxious about this subject and for no sane reason, I think your irrational fear of criminals has made you a fascist (and that was the kindest word I could use for such insanity).

      Nobody is above the law.

      Police on the whole do a fantastic job, most citizens are law-abiding and respectful of the law.  The 2 minorities in both camps (criminals who don’t respect the law and police who abuse their powers) both need to be weeded out.  Neither are above scrutiny.

    • Josie says:

      12:26pm | 06/12/12

      tell it like it is and ex
      No one is defending criminals, that’s is a strawman.
      People are concerned that cops are using tasers as compliance tools and people are dying.
      People are complaining that only cops get to judge other cops.
      People are concerned that the standards have been lowered for the police, less education, less physical fitness and more reliance on compliance tools like tasers and capsicum spray.

      If you don’t understand this and nothing is done to correct this imbalance, the situation will only become worse for you.

      Calling anyone who has these concerns a cop hater or defender of criminals only exacerbates these concerns.

    • Kev says:

      03:04pm | 06/12/12

      How do either of you think I’m suggesting we get rid of police and encourage criminal behaviour? - Modern Primitive.

      I don’t know about them but this comment posted by yourself says it all “Everyone should have contempt police.” I’ve only had to see a handful of comments by yourself to know that anything else that you comment on here regarding police actions will be nothing but utter uninformed prejudicial bullshit.

      You seem to think all police are brutal and that they all indulge in using excessive force. Back it up and start posting specifics instead of regurgitating the same subjective, one comment bullshit that you keep replying with.

    • Ex says:

      09:49am | 06/12/12

      Members of the public should also be prevented from filming Police.

    • Greg says:

      10:58am | 06/12/12

      You would like that, wouldn’t you copper? Heads up mate, just about EVERYONE has a camera on their phone so it is getting less and less likely that scum like you can assault members of the public and have your filthy mates cover it up. SUCKER!

    • Helt says:

      11:22am | 06/12/12

      HAHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHA PHHHT Funniest thing I have heard Kudos

    • Ex says:

      12:13pm | 06/12/12

      Right Greg, just as stupid a proposition as this article.  That was the point.  There should be more camera recording, not like the author suggests.  It will show that Police do the right thing 99% of the time (none of that will be reported of course) and that your argument is unsustainable.

      Rant away cry baby.  I love the personal hate by the way, makes me feel good when criminals like you are arrested by the Police.

    • hammy says:

      12:41pm | 06/12/12

      I notice the use of the community agreement is selective here at the Punch.  So why have it, just to say you are PC and can wave it around if need be?  Erick got banned for less than this.  Who let it through and why?

    • Sickemrex says:

      01:25pm | 06/12/12

      I completely disagree. If I, er I mean the police are doing nothing wrong, film away, I don’t mind at all.

    • vox says:

      09:56am | 06/12/12

      It would be quite simple to build a camera to straddle a firearm so that as soon as the firearm, (or taser, or pepper spray), was drawn the camera starts to roll. And please don’t say “It would be too bulky, or too cumbersome”, because it just wouldn’t. A tubular camera measuring 45mm x 12mm is already made. Just mount it properly and Bingo!  Or reduce the size commensurately.
      They have a saying these guys and girls who join the police for the power. “What goes down in the cells, stays down in the cells!” And they mean it.
      We forget sometimes that the police officer with all of the braid was once one of those who showed his or her “manliness” down in the cells.
      They need to reform the Academy. After the Academy it’s already too late.

    • Meh says:

      11:45am | 06/12/12

      Christ, it’d be a whole lot bloody easier to just take the shooters off the window lickers in GD and the highway patrol and pick up an English style nutcracker only approach to arming them. Special squad with guns and brains on triple the wage, deadshits in blue shirts get the baton.

    • Fiddler says:

      02:11pm | 06/12/12

      vox - agree. I think we’ll probably start seeing it in a few years

      yeah, that’ll work great in Bourke when someone starts walking around the streets with a gun.

      Idiot

    • AdamC says:

      10:15am | 06/12/12

      The effectiveness of this article was undermined by the author’s obvious contempt for the police. I have never understood that anti-police attitude. Sure, police stuff up sometimes but they do a difficult job that puts them in harms way to protect us. I am grateful for that.

      As for the underlying point about the cameras, I agree. However, I find the proliferation of council-run CCTV cameras more unsettling. I do not understand why we need to be watched when we are just going about our daily business entirely lawfully.

    • Modern Primitive says:

      11:50am | 06/12/12

      Everyone should have contempt for police.

    • Thursday Weld says:

      11:53am | 06/12/12

      “Sure, police stuff up sometimes “
      So it’s OK if cops taser someone to death sometimes.
      The good work they do makes up for these events.
      Besides, as long as their mates cover up and get to judge their actions, there will never be any worries.

    • hammy says:

      12:16pm | 06/12/12

      It’s not about logic anymore, it’s about professional trolling so the Punch can say they had X many hits and Y many responses.  They run to the advertisers and say this is how many people we get to our site.  There is little regard for fact or honesty.  Never has been.

    • fml says:

      12:31pm | 06/12/12

      Most people are not anti-police, most people realise police are falliable and are capable of falling victim to the same ills that others are. What it seems to the “anti-police” crowd you mention is that media is highlighting incidents where police have acted without regard for the responsibility their authority brings.

      Yes, they do a tough job, but that doesn’t mean they should be excused for breaking the law while in their job. A police force which covers up its actions is no police force at all, they are no better than the mob they are supposedly trying to protect.

      Of course I would realistically imagine the vast majority of police to be decent upstanding individuals. Of course the media highlights police behaving badly, this in conjunction with numerous unverified personal anecdotes and our propensity to believe the minority is the majority then to exaggerate the potential damage it may cause makes us believe that the issue is bigger than it actually is.

      It is also true for the polar opposite of the anti-police crowd, the pro-police crowd are more than willing to forgo any examples of police brutality merely because “They do a tough job”, both are absurd and there needs to be a middle ground (the law) which balances both extremes.

    • Joel M-J says:

      01:57pm | 06/12/12

      “Everyone should have contempt for police”

      That’s beautiful Modern Primitive. That way the police will be a inept force that is incapable of enforcing government authority, and we can all live happily in anarchy right? Right?

      Should the police be held to account and be expected to maintain the highest level of professionalism on the job? Yes… absolutely. I believe this is the reality of the situation most of the time. When it isn’t, it needs to be dealt with. But the police should not, nor deserve to be, considered with contempt. How arrogant of you.

      I could far more rationally and reasonably argue that ‘Everyone should have contempt for you’.

    • Kev says:

      02:56pm | 06/12/12

      Modern Primitive - In one comment you gave me good reason to assume you have nothing but hatred for police and that any action taken by them is excessive and over the top and in reading this second comment you’ve reinforced by earlier assumption. If someone was opening fire on a bank with an automatic weapon you would still whine about police brutality and how their actions were unjustified.

    • Modern Primitive says:

      03:14pm | 06/12/12

      I will show respect towards the police when they show respect towards the public. Oh yeah, and maybe when the police aren’t full of self serving corruption. It’s a two way street guys. Besides, contempt towards authority is the sign of a healthy democracy.

      Kev, what does your example have to do with anything?

    • AdamC says:

      03:24pm | 06/12/12

      Assorted, anti-police commenters, I believe I acknowledged that police make errors. I did not advocate police being placed above law, which they are presently not. Incidents like the Curti case are obviously unacceptable, but they are also uncommon. I agree that police should try to continuously improve their procedures to limit the risk of injury to the public from police action.

      The anti-police mindset is simply one where perspective and balance are absent. I just do not understand it. And it is a major, major turn-off. My advice, if you want to argue against police being given additional powers, at least conceal your personal dislike of cops. It makes your argument more persuasive.

    • Kev says:

      04:35pm | 06/12/12

      Modern Primitive - What does my example have to do with anything? It serves to highlight that you would attack police at any given opportunity even if the situation and required police was response was as obvious as the one I used in my previous comment.

    • JosephineK says:

      01:03pm | 06/12/12

      If police officers are really given cameras, they should be doing a continuous recording throughout their patrol hours but not only when they see something happen.

    • Ex says:

      03:24pm | 06/12/12

      Rights to privacy only apply to you apparently.

    • Gamer says:

      03:01pm | 06/12/12

      Reading the comments as well as the original story, I tend to get the impression that all cops are bullying, thuggish bastards who go around beating up random innocent people, then charging them with a crime. My friends and family must lead blessed lives then, because as far as I’m aware, none of them have been harrassed by police, which seems to be a rare occurance, judging from this article and comments.

      I have to wonder, where does this cop hatred come from? I would guess that the vast majority of police do their job well, but a few high profile incidents seem to have tarnished the public image of police.

      I also have to wonder, if people here think that the police are corrupt, thuggish bastards, would they still seek help from them if needed?

    • Ex says:

      04:57pm | 06/12/12

      RIP Officer. 

      You died making the community a better place.

    • Bex says:

      05:19pm | 06/12/12

      perhaps if he drew his gun and order the assailant to drop his weapon, he’d still be alive.
      Proper police procedure you know.

    • Ex says:

      05:02pm | 06/12/12

      I am going to expect an article from The Punch condemning the appalling use of excessive violence against our Police Officers.  We are apparently only too happy to condemn the Police, yet never the criminal.

 

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Good morning Punchers. After four years of excellent fun and great conversation, this is the final post…

Will Pope Francis have the vision to tackle this?

Will Pope Francis have the vision to tackle this?

I have had some close calls, one that involved what looked to me like an AK47 pointed my way, followed…

Advocating risk management is not “victim blaming”

Advocating risk management is not “victim blaming”

In a world in which there are still people who subscribe to the vile notion that certain victims of sexual…

Nosebleed Section

choice ringside rantings

From: Hasbro, go straight to gaol, do not pass go

Tim says:

They should update other things in the game too. Instead of a get out of jail free card, they should have a Dodgy Lawyer card that not only gets you out of jail straight away but also gives you a fat payout in compensation for daring to arrest you in the first place. Instead of getting a hotel when you… [read more]

From: A guide to summer festivals especially if you wouldn’t go

Kel says:

If you want a festival for older people or for families alike, get amongst the respectable punters at Bluesfest. A truly amazing festival experience to be had of ALL AGES. And all the young "festivalgoers" usually write themselves off on the first night, only to never hear from them again the rest of… [read more]

Gentle jabs to the ribs

Superman needs saving

Superman needs saving

Can somebody please save Superman? He seems to be going through a bit of a crisis. Eighteen months ago,… Read more

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