Friday dilemma: Is cash on a casino floor fair gaming?

iansand says:

01:51pm | 05/08/11

Larceny by finding

Coop says:

05:12pm | 05/08/11

Id like to know if the Casino returned the money to the original owner

Gregg says:

09:49am | 06/08/11

@Coop
You’ll find yes, one way or another if you read the linked article and somewhat surprisingly so.

julie says:

02:55pm | 05/08/11

who would he give it back to? where would he hand it in?
sometimes life just gives you a reward for being at the right place at the right time.

Austin 3:16 says:

06:27pm | 05/08/11

Hey Julie,

Did you miss the bit about the arrest, prosecution and criminal conviction / fine ?  Is that your idea of “reward” ?

MK says:

06:45pm | 05/08/11

It comes down to a reasonable effort to return to it’s rightful owner if practicable. In this case it was highly lickley the owner was still in the room, his effort was Zero. This is below reasonable.
Yes it would be a hassle to see security, spend 15 minutes filling out a form.

If you found $200 on an empty street, where there the person who lost it is nowhere around,
There is no security cameras
and it is unlikely they would know what area they lost it, without a wallet or any distinguishing feature, chance of finding the owner is lower.

If you see someone drop money, then obviously you should give ti back to them, if there was one person in vicinity, didnt see them drop it,
ask if they have lost any (of which they should then know amount, notage)

Kipling says:

12:29pm | 06/08/11

The life time ban would appear to be the best reward and well worth the $500 payout.

atthepub says:

01:59pm | 05/08/11

News report says “he did not see it fall out of anybody’s pockets”

Jane says:

02:58pm | 05/08/11

This is what i was thinking. With teh amount of camera survellience at the casino they probably saw him see the person who dropped the money, look around cheekily and pocket it. The question is did Crown return it to the rightful owner?

Tim says:

03:01pm | 05/08/11

No,
his defence says he did not see it fall out of anyone’s pocket.
CCTV evidence shows different.

fml says:

04:06pm | 05/08/11

It was at burswood casino, not crown.

Do people read the article anymore?

Rose says:

01:34pm | 05/08/11

What a ridiculous comment, pure speculation based on no evidence at all. The only evidence in this case is that this young guy took $200 that he knew didn’t belong to him and has now, rightfully, been held to account!

MarK says:

01:57pm | 05/08/11

awesome

/popcorn

Shane* says:

02:06pm | 05/08/11

Good point, Geoff. I’d say probably not. After all, if you believe the media, any bloke between 15-30 is either comically stupid, a dangerous thug, a petty criminal or completely sex-crazed.

I’d say if the security guards had found a 20 year old girl with the cash, they’d joke, flirt, and let her walk away.

Kirsty says:

02:24pm | 05/08/11

@ Geoff, I wondered this as well.  To be honest I don’t think the cops would have been called if it was a 22 yr old girl they just would have got the money back and given it to the guy who rightfully owned it, if that.

Geoff - Brisbane says:

02:52pm | 05/08/11

Rose, there is no evidence because a young girl has never been (and will never be) dragged before the courts for something this petty.

It was on the ground. How would you react if the next time you found money on the ground, (and didn’t initiate an Interpol style search for the owner) you were arrested and dragged before the court? Do you really think it is fair?

gobsmack says:

03:53pm | 05/08/11

What a dumb comment.
1.  A young girl didn’t find the money.
2.  What would happen if she did is pure speculation.
A bit silly to get outraged by figments of your imagination.

Tim says:

02:06pm | 05/08/11

Haven’t you ever watched a Casino movie?
This is where they take the gamblers who get caught cheating or counting cards for their obligatory phone book beatings

Matt says:

02:15pm | 05/08/11

The entire casino is a dungeon

Mankind says:

03:25pm | 05/08/11

The SCG has holding cells as well. It’s a better solution than having someone who’s broken the law being held on too by bouncers until the police arrive.

tommy says:

05:19pm | 05/08/11

I wonder if there was a pocker machine in the holding cell, take advantage of every opportunity

Rose says:

02:16pm | 05/08/11

Apparently not,and it seems like a lot of people need to learn this lesson. If you know it’s not yours keeping it is a crime!

js says:

04:29pm | 05/08/11

rose seems to have lost her sense of humour. if anyone finds it, please return it as apparently “keeping it is a crime”

MK says:

06:57pm | 05/08/11

Its only fair game while still in the air
then
one hand one bounce rule

If you dont put fair effort in for a specaular diving catch
then you need to put fair effort in returning it to rightul owner

Jane2 says:

03:02pm | 05/08/11

I used to work at that casino, trust me on teh over night shifts of a weekend they need it, especially since its ilegal to knock people out while you wait till the police arrive.

Austin 3:16 says:

06:43pm | 05/08/11

Sure, like punching a friend on the arm is that same as seriously assaulting them

Louisa says:

07:32pm | 05/08/11

Austin

Money is money - no matter what the amount

Austin 3:16 says:

12:51pm | 06/08/11

Well in that case can I borrow a million and give you back a fiver ? Then we can call it quits.

Gregg says:

10:05am | 06/08/11

@Phil,
At what point does it become theft?
With a name like Lamonica - Miraglio and a mafioso look suit

Dave says:

10:21pm | 05/08/11

@ Sharwood - I never thought you could sink lower in my estimation of you but you have.

If you knowingly, wrongly accept payment for a wager which didn’t actually win, then you should be charged with theft, because that’s what it is. You might as well reach into a shop’s cash register and take out a $20 bill just because the person working there wasn’t paying enough attention to stop you.

As for your attitude that it’s ok to seek out new employees and exploit their lack of experience to your benefit, I am so offended by your selfishness. Don’t you understand (or care) that these people will be dragged over the coals by their managers for these mistakes, which you brazenly hope for and gleefully accept. 

Time to grow up, pal.

malohi says:

11:43am | 06/08/11

Fraud, not theft. Unless you count the chip as a chose in action, even then it was freely given and analogous to money so property would likely have passed.
The real fraud would be cashing in the chip though.
Oh sorry, I forgot, trivial things like the law have nothing to do with this thread…

What I meant to say was the law is an ass, finders keepers hurr durr

Tim says:

12:46pm | 06/08/11

Yeah but at least you can do form on horse races.

stephen says:

05:19pm | 06/08/11

Friday, and the Editors would be drunk, but casinos are very much supervized by gaming authorities and it may have been that on the video survellience the Mananger may have felt it was necessary to detain the chap.
Still and all, the Judge might have been a bit more observant of why anyone would have been in the place in the first place : to make money.

Gregg says:

12:03pm | 06/08/11

Ant,
How well does being a small time $10 punter match with
” I once got paid several times by a young Blackjack dealer for bets which I had lost. The trick is, when you bust, you put the stake for the next hand in your box. “
Like it ain’t exactly going to make for seamless reading of a chapter.

I extend myself a bit further to be an about $50 Melbourne Cup day punter, usually having a look at the form and using a basic well publicised system of boxing up horses of a particular age from lead up races form and sometimes it works.

Worked so well last year I got the trifecta with a box of five horses but that way you only get about 30% of win and instead of a trifecta being its usual several thousand, it was just all of $300 damm it but then $100 was still better than a kick in the teeth.

And then of course there are the roulette systems which will increase the chances of success for the those prepared to put in disciplined hours.
Alternately, it may just be a bigger hole you dig for yourself unless you have a loss limit.

Sceptic says:

01:31am | 07/08/11

@Jeff

This is The Punch, open theft and criminal acitvity are openly encouraged by it’s journalists.  I wonder if Rupert would endorse such views?