According to Penbo, the retail union’s anachronistic attachment to Catholic values - keep the Lord’s day holy and all that - spells trouble for the retail industry.

Would you like love with that? Pic: Daily Telegraph

As a card-carrying Catholic, and a former member of (and organiser for) the shop assistants’ union, I thought it might be fair to lob a few thoughts into the mix by way of retort.

As it happens, my mum and sister run a bookshop in Sydney’s CBD (www.portico.com.au), and a mighty fine one at that, so I am no stranger to the challenges faced by retailers in the current market.

I should stress, however, that the opinions expressed here are my own, and are not in any way representative of the SDA, my current employer, or my book-selling family members.

While Penbo may lament the fact that retail hours in Adelaide don’t match the whims and on-demand expectations of the modern shopper, the flip side is that retail employees have lives too. The expectation that shops will be open whenever I, the almighty consumer, want them to be open obviously requires that those shops be sufficiently staffed.

The question is, what kind of working hours can we reasonably expect retail workers to work?

At present, the General Retail Industry Award says that retail workers can be expected to work for normal rates of pay anytime between 7am and 9pm, Monday to Saturday. That’s hardly a stifling span of hours.

Retail workers can also be rostered on Sundays, although employers have to pay employees double-time for the trouble.

Perhaps it’s the Sunday penalty rate that leads Penbo to frame the current system as some kind of Catholic anachronism. If immigrant shopkeepers can stay open all hours, then why can’t home-grown retailers do the same? Why should hard-working small businesses be beholden to overbearing and stifling regulatory standards?

After all, aren’t there loads of godless teenagers and students and the like who actually want to work Sundays?

Well yes, there are plenty of youngsters who would work Sundays for peanuts. But that’s not really the point. Abolishing Sunday penalty rates would mean that any worker in the largest employment sector in the nation could be expected to work Sundays for no extra pay. Sunday becomes just like any other day. The standard is lowered.

That may be fine for teenagers and students, but the retail industry employs more than just teenagers and students. In fact across Australia, less than 35 per cent of retail employees are under the age of 25. By contrast, almost 53 per cent of Australian retail workers are aged between 25 and 54. And the majority of those are women.

If you think about what might be going on in the lives of that 25-to-54 year-old demographic, you’re thinking kids in school, mortgages, bills, school-fees, children’s weekend sporting commitments, and so on.

It’s a time of life when weekends are important. While the kids are at school Monday to Friday, mum and dad can both be at work, but on the weekends it’s a different story. In an industry where employees have traditionally had precious little bargaining power, if mums and dads in the retail industry can be expected to work Sundays, then it’s bye-bye weekend family time.

In my time as a union rep in the retail industry, an important element of my job was to help working mums haggle for reasonable working hours. For an employee with kids in school, a managerial directive that the employee work Saturdays, or evenings, could throw family life into disarray.

On the other hand, the prospect of losing a shift altogether could be the difference between making a mortgage payment or not.

Deep down, I don’t think the lowering of working standards in the retail industry is something that most Australians really want, even if we do get miffed about shops not being open when we want them to be.

It’s not about hanging on to old fashioned religious mores. It’s about hanging on to the precious little family time that hasn’t yet been made to conform to the dictates of the all-powerful economy.

Of course, all that is just pie-in-the-sky idealism if it means Australian retailers can’t be competitive in vying for the consumer dollar.

But consumers need to be aware that by adopting a cheapest-and-most-convenient-at-all-costs mentality in deploying their hard-earned, they are pressuring employers to make working conditions for the retail industry’s more than 1.5 million employees worse, not better.

It’s something that bears pondering next time you go e-bargain hunting.

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    • NESLIHAN KUROSAWA says:

      06:41am | 09/08/11

      Hi Tim,

      Shop till you drop is our policy is right now!!  And why??  Because there are less serious consumers spending big dollars!!  Looking at our aging population & our rather small population compared to some European Nations, I have to say no wonder!!  Most European nations such as Germany, Holland and Sweden, you will find that shopping hours on Sundays are limited & for a good reason.  And you do not see many families doing shopping on that day!

      Just like you mentioned, I feel we should have at least one day for our families and children just to feel normal & do activities which do not cost anything at all!  This is my personal opinion, however if the big retailers are listening they would be disappointed to realize that things are getting expensive in Australia from a consumer point of view.

      Small retailers working longer hours as well as keeping their prices lower might have some thing to do with it!  My question to you today is that “does religion or faith have a role in how we live our lives to the extent of shopping hours”??  Best regards to your editors.

    • Frank says:

      11:24am | 09/08/11

      Its because we are all much wealthier than our parents were and so what if we want to shop online? maybe the big retailers should get the hint, get out of the 20th Century and start modernising your business model and you can start smiling like Ruslan Kogan.

    • Macca says:

      07:55am | 09/08/11

      Sums up the Union movement really, if you fail to change the industrial laws and provide more flexibility to industries such as retail and manufacturing, you will ultimately contribute to the demise of those industries. And you can bleat on about work/life balance all you want, but when there is no work, well it’s a pretty dumb argument.

    • KH says:

      07:58am | 09/08/11

      1. Sunday is just another day. 
      2. There are 7 days in a week, I doubt anyone is expected to work all of them.  You might choose to, but I don’t think its legal to make anyone do it.
      3.  Retail relies on people shopping, and if the majority are in work or school in defined hours, then it makes sense to operate in hours when they aren’t doing those things and have time to shop.  You don’t have to be a genius to work this out.

    • Budz says:

      09:23am | 09/08/11

      Thanks KH, saved me having to say all this. Especially number 1. Why does Sunday get special treatment? Do they get paid more then because they are usually hung over from Saturday night? Because if that’s the justification, it’s fully understandable.

    • CJ says:

      10:02am | 09/08/11

      Exactly.

      When I was young(er), I worked in a bakery. I was there at 5am on Sunday mornings and my pay was no more than time-and-a-half. If that.

      But did my family pine for me and complain about the lack of time we were spending together? No; my parents knew - as I did - if I wanted to buy stuff, I had to pay for it. To pay, I needed a job. Because I was still at school, the only times I could work were after 3:30pm and on weekends.

      At the end of the day, you won’t see families torn apart because the breadwinners are slaving away 7 days a week at a retail job. In the meantime, I really want to buy a new outfit for a function later in the week. Oh well, guess I’ll get it cheaper and quicker online. Sorry retailers, I could have used ALL MY SPARE TIME on Sunday to pick up the clothes I want.

    • Gherkin says:

      10:08am | 09/08/11

      Used to get overtime rates for saturdays too. Employers pushed to make Saturdays ‘ordinary hours’, so that leaves Sundays. Now they’re pushing for that too.

      Are you folks saying you think retail employees should get paid the same rate regardless of when they are rostered? Should all businesses move to a seven-day trading model? Why don’t office workers work Sundays and have a mid-week weekend so they an get their shopping done?

      We all operate within the mon-to-fri working week model, retail employees included, so it’s not as black and white as you put it.

    • Shifter says:

      12:02pm | 09/08/11

      @KH - on point 3, I don’t understand why Aussie retailers open when a majority of potential customers are at work. Surely the hours from 9-11 on weekdays are almost a write-off.

      I was interested that when I first rocked up in Singapore I found the shopping hours to be from around 10:30 in the morning to 7pm at night. That’s the same time span as the pre-extended trading hours of 9-5:30 that we had in WA. Staying in WA, I’d imagine there would be many more purchases made between 5:30 and 7pm than there would between 9 and 10:30am.

      I’m also amazed that the author suggests a switch in trading hours will break down the moral fibre of the family. Seriously? Bricks and mortar Retail exists as a business, and businesses like that don’t make money when closed. There a many different careers with different working hours that people can choose if they do not like what they have currently.

    • marley says:

      03:10pm | 09/08/11

      @Gherkin - no, we don’t all operate within the Monday to Friday, 9 to 5 working week. Cops, firemen, lots of tradesmen, doctors, bakers, restaurant workers, bartenders, sailors, airline crew, etc etc do not work that standard five day work week.  And although I’m not sure about Australia, where I come from a lot of civil servants work “flextime” so that, while they have to be present during core hours, they can be working 7 to 3 or 10 to 6. Also, it is not unknown for employees to work 4 day work weeks, 10 hrs per day, or, as my father did 30 years ago, 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off.  The 9 to 5, Monday to Friday model, never represented the whole working world, and even less so now.

      And yes, I do think retail employees should get paid the same wage regardless of rostering, until they reach a certain number of hours per day or week, at which point they get overtime/penalty rates.

    • CiscoKid says:

      08:21am | 09/08/11

      As a retired retailer i would like to make a comment directed to all those in the retail industry, find a new career .We are told the average wage is $70000 p.a. so just take a look at what you are being paid in retailing ,that should be all the motivation needed and fairly soon they will have you working rotating shifts,compare that to other occupations that pay these large wages and it’s a no brainer.

    • Dave says:

      08:21am | 09/08/11

      Typical trade union stupidity. If they had their way, there’d be no shops open at all on Sundays and most of Saturday. Back to the 1970s. How dull and boring would our cities be then? Extra opening hours means extra hours available to employees to work and more employees in jobs.

      I can remember the unions opposing even Saturday afternoon trading in Victoria in the 80s - now we have 7 day a week trading and the city is buzzing all weekend!

      It’s just like the union movement to have no idea about the relationship between a business and its customers. If you don’t meet your customers’ needs, they will go elsewhere. Then you lose your job.

    • SydSteve says:

      04:22pm | 10/08/11

      The Union is there to protect the rights of the employee. Not the rights of the Employer or Consumer.

    • Jane2 says:

      08:33am | 09/08/11

      Tell you editors they chose the wrong photo, the fast food industry doesnt have weekend rates or even overnight rates in most cases. (5 years ago I was working as a casual manager specialising in overnight shifts for one for $16ph…I was also a full time mature age student hence why it suited even with the low wage)

      And as someone who has worked in retail, as a worker you are not meant to have a life. All the FT staff at one place I worked had to work one weekend in 3 because M-F is so quite that it made more sense for staff to have “weekends” then. This meant that family never really knew when you were working and when you werent.

      But I guess this is the modern age when being part of a service industry means you are meant to be available for the service users 24/7.

    • Jay Santos says:

      08:50am | 09/08/11

      I know a Melbourne retailer whose shop is open 3 1/2 days per week from 10 to 3 and it’s always packed.

      Why.

      Range, price and SERVICE.

      Australian retailers don’t get that it’s not about them…it’s about the customer.

      If you don’t get this basic tenet of retailing then GET OUT!!

      If I buy a camera online for $500 less than what I can get it for locally and as part of their service they throw in lenses, carry bags etc and ship it to me insured in 5-7 days how is the fact Harvey Norman is not open at midnight on Wednesday going to alter my shopping habits?

      Convenient opeing times are irrelevant if I am prepared to wait a week for my online purchases.

      So is paying an internet GST when the local price gouging is so profound.

      What’s left for Australian retailers to offer:

      Service. Service. Service.

      And they can’t even do that.

    • PG says:

      02:36pm | 09/08/11

      Agreed. I can buy stuff and have it delivered from the US East Coast quicker than some mobs can deliver to me ,or even get into their local store in Brisbane, from Melbourne. And often at nearly half the price. Adding a GST to that or opening your shitty store with shitty service at times I’m not likely to visit it will not make any difference.

    • Mahhrat says:

      09:16am | 09/08/11

      Who the hell are you to tell families how to live?

      While you might have a fantastic home life and are blessed with a large and functional family, there are huge numbers who do not share those things.

      Those people might be entirely happy to work weekends and late hours.  Shouldn’t it be up to the employee?

      There should always be a minimum wage for your work, to protect the comparitively weak employee from the full brunt of large companies et al.  Saying that, if you want to work all hours, and we want to buy all hours, then we should be allowed to do exactly that.

    • Slothy says:

      09:26am | 09/08/11

      As an ex-bartender who was paid exactly the same whether I was working 10am-5pm on a Tuesday or 5pm-3am on a Saturday, retail workers are quite welcome to stick their ‘family time’ up their jacksie. I never saw them caring about my family time when I was working till stumps on NYE then turning around to open the bar for ‘recovery’ a few hours later with nary a penatly rate in sight.

      If you want people to give you their money, you have to make it easy for them. If most families have two parents working Mon-Fri, 9-5, well feel free to close on Sundays but don’t look shocked when a business goes under and fires all their staff becasue people couldn’t get into the store to trade their money for goods. How will all those precious mortgage payments go then?

    • Dave says:

      09:46am | 09/08/11

      Hey Slothy - why shouldn’t you be paid the same for working Tuesday days as you do for working Saturday evenings? Is your productivity any different? Are the costs for the drinks any different to your customers? No. That’s why you get paid the same. If you don’t like it, get a 9 to 5 job.

    • Slothy says:

      10:34am | 09/08/11

      Well obviously my productivity was significantly higher on a packed Saturday night than it was on an empty Tuesday morning, but that’s not my point. The point is that I didn’t get paid any differently and Sunday isn’t sacred to bartenders so why should it be sacred to retail workers? Nobody is advocating for bars to shut on Sundays for the sake of bartender’s families - especially not the retail workers. Thus my invitation for retail workers to get over their whinging already - shit hours come with the territory.

      And if you had paid attention you would have noticed that I said I’m an ex-bartender. Great work through uni, but I’m happily set up as a 9-5 drone now.

    • Smidgeling says:

      11:18am | 09/08/11

      Bartenders don’t get penalty rates because their job perk is serving drinks to gorgeous girls all night. Sook more.

    • jarred says:

      11:43am | 09/08/11

      this is crap I worked behind a bar and as a waiter for ten years we always got penalty rates especialy on NYE that is the only reason most of the employees agreed to work on NYE in fact it is illegal not to get penalty rates on weekends and public holidays in Australia, you sloth are either a liar or you were getting payed cash in hand and if that was the case more fool you.

    • Slothy says:

      11:55am | 09/08/11

      Smidgeling - sadly, as a young female working busy nights it was less elegant women sipping martinis and engaging in seductive verbal sparring and more smashed bogans spilling bundy and cokes on me as they tried to ogle my tits.

    • Slothy says:

      12:29pm | 09/08/11

      jarred - the South Australia Hotels, Clubs etc award rate sheet from 2007 (the last year I did bar work) is here: http://www.safework.sa.gov.au/uploaded_files/hotels_c_01_10_07.pdf

      You’ll note that page 2 clearly shows casuals don’t get penalty rates, and I don’t know about the managers, but all of the general staff were casuals (as were most of my retail staff friends). We worked NYE because otherwise we wouldn’t have a job the rest of the year.

      You can apologise for calling me a liar now if you’d like.

    • jarred says:

      01:16pm | 09/08/11

      Sloth I do apologies for calling you a liar, In NSW penalty rates for Sunday is compulsory, and I had thought that this was standard federal law, and being a casual employee here means that If you can say you are unavailable to work on public holidays or any other day for that mater the flip side is that when there is not much work the employer dose not have to give you any hours. ( on a side note NYE is not even a public holiday but a lot of places pay penalty rates regardless as incentive for their young workers to come to work ),

    • michael j says:

      10:15am | 09/08/11

      As a card-carrying Catholic , sounded a bit scary but seeing you where trying to get equal pay for equal work you can probably live with-your self,you know that silly idea that if a ten year old does the same work as a sixty year old they should get the same pay , and if shops want to open 24/7 let them ,they will soon go broke because of cost, unless SLOTHY’S idea of 24/7 with below minim pay and being called in to wipe up a spilled beer ,then get sent home is embraced, Australian’s are not travelling well since the yanks proved that Capitalism does not work if Greedy Lying Grubs can bring down a system which allowed them to escape with no penalties ,,Although i have noticed when things are getting tough the first to complain are Multi-National’s (mines) or Billionaire’s (Gerry Harvey) and somehow it’s ordinary working people or pensioner’s who get the blame?,,some people should take a look around ,whole suburb’s deserted in some places in the USA it will be 20 years before big brother recovers, if ever, and we are slowly headed for the same place,,,,,,

    • Steve says:

      10:38am | 09/08/11

      Unions have never given a stuff about the unemployed, who they see as competitors to their members. 

      That’s why they keep arguing against more flexibility in the workplace and higher minimum wages.  It locks employers into fewer but higher paid staff, locks out the marginalised workers (the young, immigrants, part-timers, etc). 

      If you’re an 18 year old with no skills, the union movement is not your friend.

    • jarred says:

      11:37am | 09/08/11

      All this talk of deregulating the labor market and sundenly the economy will enter a new and unparalleled phase of prosperity is utterly BS. There is no evidence whatsoever that this would happen. In fact all the evidence points to the exact opposite, look at the U.S,  a deregulated labor market has ment wage stagnation and has destroyed the middle class leading to a huge gap in the rich and poor and ongoing economic crisis. Dont belive the big end of town labor deregulating will destroy everything that makes this country the greatest , fairest and most egalitarian place to live on earth

    • Lisa H. says:

      02:23pm | 09/08/11

      I dunno Jared. The last years under Howard’s more flexible system saw us paying our staff more, and much more readily. We always felt pressured to reward, and be seen to reward.

      Now because of the inflexibility, silly archaic add-ons (if you buy the staff nice uniforms, you have to pay them an extra $15 to wash them) and a whole bunch of bizarre decisions from the Orwellian ‘Fair Work’ commission…we stick rigidly to award.

      And rigid it is, indeed! How does the idea of entire-country award systems fit the bill of ‘flexible’, in any way, shape or form? How can the government in good conscience even label this change as ‘reform’? It flies in the face of even my high school economics lessons.

    • Thommo says:

      12:36pm | 09/08/11

      Good luck trying to talk sense to Penberthy. The man is an ass

    • michael j says:

      05:44pm | 09/08/11

      indeed HE is an ODD bird sometimes he seems to show some signs of humanity ,then he just slips away again,,

    • stockinbingal roo says:

      01:59pm | 09/08/11

      Here’s a dilemma, first job apprentice chippy, his boss isn’t paying them on a regular basis, (or super) all $370 pw, the kid’s dad is a big Liberal fan but had to go to his footy mate, who is with the union to do something. The lesson here is don’t ridicule unions because one day you might need them.

    • bananabender says:

      03:06pm | 09/08/11

      Traditional corner stores were 14-16 hours a day 7 days a week back in the “good old days” .  Mum, dad and the kids (one they were 8 or 9 years old) all worked in the shop.

    • DrFriendless says:

      02:23pm | 11/08/11

      Tim, the retail industry should be doing everything it can to hold onto customers. As far as I’m concerned, most retailers might as well close down because they’re never open when I’m not working. That’s a shame because I have a lot of money to spend. As for Sundays, there are two salient points:

      1. Amazon is open on Sunday
      2. I don’t care whether you have a job or not.

 

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