4pm: Wrapping up. Following Question Time and other incidents during the day, we’ve seen the opposition is going to query the assumptions that the government has made in the Budget, but also question if the Prime Minister can be trusted to maintain spending discipline. (Tony Abbott asked him today to explain why he only became an economic conservative at election time.) For its part the Government wants to know where the opposition will find savings to return the budget to surplus, and will be hammering the line that Australia has outperformed the rest of the developed world in handling the GFC.

Boring budget papers maybe, but not a boring Budget.

12.34pm: Question Time is back and now that we’ve been freed from the clutches of Treasury officials we’ll be covering Parliament proceedings live from 2pm today. Be there and be square.

12.24pm: Scientists found it boring too! No mistaking the take from Australian Life Scientist, which has a story headlined Budget 2010: Not much for science or biotech.

12.03pm:From ABC News:

Federal Treasurer Wayne Swan has disputed claims by Premier Anna Bligh the super-profits mining tax will adversely affect job creation in Queensland.

More here.

10.08am: You say tomato…

Headlines on ninemsn this morning

Read the stories here: Hockey, Rudd.

9.58am: No backdown, says Swan.

9.52am: Chinese news agency Xinhua focuses on spending on troops in Afghanistan. What, no mention of the mining tax?

9.15am: Some commentary highlights from around the blocks:

Paul Kelly in The Australian: Accounts deliver an election narrative

Swan was correct in his budget night boast that he wanted a set of numbers that made Australia “the envy of the world in recovery”. It is an arrow in the heart of the Coalition’s debt and deficits election theme.

Barrie Cassidy at The Drum: Nothing wrong with a boring budget

The trick will be in the marketing. This was one of the tightest spending budgets in a generation - certainly the tightest pre-election budget. Presumably not a lot was wasted on speech writers.

John Durie, The Australian - Canberra backs corporate bonds

In some respects it’s a business-friendly budget if you ignore the super tax on the resources industry.

Peter Hartcher in the SMH: Back in the black with a touch of restraint

The truth is that the natural recovery in the economy has done all the hard work for the Rudd government. Its attempts at cutting spending are embarrassingly feeble. From total outlays of more than one-third of a trillion dollars, it has cut spending by just $1.4 billion.

9.05am: Shadow treasurer Joe Hockey has a video statement giving his verdict, characterising the Budget as “a shameless con”.

9.03am: High praise from David Koch:

THE wimps of 10 days ago have found some courage.

This is exactly the type of Federal Budget we needed and, if they can pull off what they’ve promised, it will ease the pressure on future interest rate increases and keep inflation under control.

More here: Budget 2010: Government finds some courage

8.18am: Tony Abbott says the government can’t “change it’s nature from Paris Hilton to Uncle Scrooge”, arguing it is a big ask for voters to believe Rudd can now put the brakes on spending. And here’s a picture.

8.14am: Rudd’s been on the phone to the new British PM David Cameron. They’ve been talking about Cameron coming out, perhaps during the cricket. We’ve got more on the new British PM here.

8.08am: Kevin Rudd on ABC Radio, outlining his economic beliefs. Says he believes in expanding the role of government in the economy when the private sector is in retreat. “Now with the private sector expanding it’s time for the role of government to retreat,” he says. He mentions getting back in the black.

Penbo mentioned in his piece The Smartest Guys in the Room that Swan and Rudd might have been listening to Queen’s We Are The Champions when putting the finishing touches to the Budget. This might also have been on high rotation:

6.57am: Treasurer Wayne Swan will be taking questions live at the Herald Sun online from 10am AEDT here.

6.51am: Nice artwork on the home page of the Courier Mail:

Steph Balogh reports for the paper: WAYNE Swan has played to the Government’s economic strengths with a re-election Budget that accelerates Australia’s return to the black three years early and directs $7.3 billion to health reforms. More here.

WEDNESDAY 6.30am: Good morning, and hopefully everyone’s feeling on top of the world this morning. Wayne Swan probably is: his budget has been generally well-received, with the papers being generally positive about his plan to bring the nation’s accounts back to surplus.

On Lateline last night finance minister Lindsay Tanner said the budget “kills the debt and deficit scare campaign dead. Stone dead.” His opposite number Andrew Robb said it was a house of cards, and given shadow Treasurer Joe Hockey’s analysis last night we can expect this to be the opposition’s line: that there are flawed assumptions underpinning the projected return to surplus.

Tanner also argued the Opposition needed to support the government’s planned mining tax, as it underpinned the plan to pay off the debt.

All financial projections need assumptions, however. We’ll see detailed response from the opposition on Thursday night with Abbott’s budget-in-reply speech, and the Coalition says it will have its policy details released in full in a matter of weeks.

8.50pm: Okay, The Punch’s budget day is over. We’ll be back on from first thing in the morning at this post for a round-up of the papers and following the reaction through tomorrow.

8.46pm: Malcolm Farr of the Daily Telegraph on Sky. Says “good politics has been helped along a bit in this budget”.

8.43pm: Peter Hartcher of the SMH on Sky News. Says the government savings efforts are “paltry” and the actual cuts in spending amount to just over a billion dollars. Adds that the government deserves credit for not spending the extra cash on hand, but letting it go to the bottom line instead.

8.39pm: Wayne Swan on Sky - David Speers suggests to him the renewable energy plan is the same as Tony Abbott’s direct action plan. Swan says he’s just announced the funding rather than what the programs funded under it will be.

8.38pm: Another online poll, this time from the Herald Sun.

8.32pm: Hockey says the Opposition will have its plan to return the budget to surplus within a matter of weeks, saying the best way to get it back is to have faster growth.

8.26pm: Shadow treasurer Joe Hockey says on ABC TV in his estimation Rudd and Swan “will never deliver a surplus budget for Australia”, as there are too many assumptions that may not come to pass.

8.22pm: Nick Xenophon on Sky - “It’s kind of like a kid whose birthday was yesterday, it’s going to be a long time before anything good happens.” Says he hasn’t made his mind up on the resources tax.

8.21pm: The Australian has a range of news stories on the various government portfolios live on its website. It’s Budget special is here is here but a few highlights:

8.19pm: Steve Fielding calls it a “Melbourne style gangland budget”, saying there’s a “dark underside to it”, highlighting the cuts to childcare.

8.15pm: CommBank analyst tells Sky News the government probably hasn’t done enough to ease upwards interest rate pressure.

8.09pm: Tim Lester at the SMH has this take, in a piece headed Fiscal austerity, but tax returns set to go:

The hated tax return will vanish for millions of Australians and savings will be taxed at a lower rate as part of federal Treasurer Wayne Swan’s third budget, announced in Canberra tonight.

The measures are rare sweeteners in a budget that defies the old political logic of giving voters a raft of goodies in an election year.

Instead, the Rudd government has chosen to emphasise responsible management, cutting debt and aiming the budget for a surplus three years earlier than expected.

There’s a poll on the bottom of the story, with an early punter verdict:

8.06pm: ABC News leads with Swan plots course back to the black

Mr Swan’s pre-election pitch to voters is to emphasise the Government’s “strict fiscal strategy” and spending restraint as the budget returns to surplus by 2012-13.

Today’s budget comes after a horror few weeks for the Government, but Mr Swan says he does not expect it to give Labor a poll bounce.

Another $2.2 billion for health on top of the $5.3 billion already announced, and the new controversial 40 per cent tax on the resources industry, are also major features of this year’s budget, which shows a reversal in Australia’s economic fortunes from the dark days of the financial crisis.

More here.

7.52.pm: Summary graphic from news.com.au.

News.com.au

Full story here.

7.45pm: We’re off, and The Australian is leading on the headline Swan rides mining boom to early surplus

7.30pm: Welcome to our Budget 2010 coverage on The Punch, we’ll be following the Treasurer’s speech and all the reaction from the players and the public as it starts to come in.

That's all folks…Bill Leak in The Australian.

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    • Ben in Canberra says:

      07:41pm | 11/05/10

      where’s Kev? Not in the PM’s chair, can’t see him on the bench?

    • Meerkat says:

      07:14am | 12/05/10

      I thought that too! Could not be seen during budget delivery speech….. had the “pleasure” of looking at Albanese instead. Was that normal seating arrangement?

    • Wayne Fehlhaber says:

      08:44pm | 11/05/10

      A budget based on assumptions , at a time of economic crisis in European countries , makes an unsafe bet for a budget surplus 2012-13 .  One of the key budget measures , the 40% tax on the resourses industry , is subject to
      global fluctuations and variables in international markets . Therein lies the risk to any projected budget surpus within the period of time claimed by Treasurer Swan.
      Is it actually a responsible budget or more of an honest admission that the national coffers are empty . ?
      Treasurer Swan is correct not to expect any bounce in polls via the 2010 budget he has just presented.

    • John A Neve says:

      06:19am | 12/05/10

      Wayne,

      All budgets are based on assumptions. Only you can see the future.
      In the current circumstances this is a good budget, I like to know what you would do differently?

      If the proposed super profits tax on mining falls through, we all know who’s fauly it will be don’t we?

    • Christian Real says:

      07:54am | 12/05/10

      Wayne,
      I am inclined to agree with John A Neve, because it is a good budget,and all budgets are based on assumptions, no matter which political party is holding office at the time.
      It appears Wayne, that David Koch and other financial experts have given this budget the thumbs up, so are you saying that you are more wiser and experienced than they are.

    • soultrader says:

      08:14am | 12/05/10

      @john
      It would be the greens’ and independents’ collective faults. The government only needs to convince a handful of people, not the whole herd. If they can’t even manage that, then their policy is obviously flawed with a capital F. Can you please stop defending the indefensible.

    • John A Neve says:

      08:49am | 12/05/10

      Soultrader,

      I must admit to be confused!! Where in my post have I defended ony one?
      What I have done is state the obvious. The other equally obvious comment, is I am yet to see a budget which gets universal support.

      I still believe based on what I’ve read to date, that this is a good budget in the circumstances.

    • Wayne Fehlhaber says:

      08:55am | 12/05/10

      John :  Well you are certainly predictable if nothing else John , there was no doubting which side of the coin you would turn up.
      Yes , it is correct to say budgets are based on assumptions , however ,
      the projections from those assumptions are generally based on something much more tangible than international mining resourses requirements , which , as i have already stated , are subject to massive fluctuations and variables on the world markets.
      All we would need is for the European contagion to spread further afield , result ? , those assumptions would be subject to dramatic shifts.
      For Queensland , the super profits tax proposal has already resulted in the cancellation of millions of dollars worth of research and investment
      planned in the mining industry.
      Why do you think Premier Bligh is wailing and gnashing her teeth , john. ?  Loss of royalties , jobs , industrial expansion and infrastructure
      in Queensland is the reason , or are you so blinded by Labor’s spin you simply don’t care. ?
      Once again , the Senate will play it’s role as the House of Review.

      Christian Real :  Ditto

    • persephone says:

      09:42am | 12/05/10

      Wayne

      I’d strongly advise the Senate to pass the tax.

      Labor will win the next election and the Greens will hold the balance of power.

      If the mining tax goes to a Greens controlled Senate, it will be a lot nastier than what’s on offer at present.

    • Christian Real says:

      09:44am | 12/05/10

      Wayne is “Ditto” all that you can come up with, I never thought that i would see the day when you appeared lost for words.

    • Mavis says:

      09:45am | 12/05/10

      What a shock, a labor hack, Christian Real agrees with a labor staffer, John Neve.

      “All budgets are based on assumptions.” Yes John, but the problems start when your assumptions don’t stand up to the crap detector.

    • John A Neve says:

      09:57am | 12/05/10

      Wayne,

      All you have really done in your latest post is agree with me. Yes, the
      European problem could spread, I’ve said as much in another place.

      All governments take guidance from so called experts amd we all know experts can and often are wrong. If you remember we went to “war” based on expert information!!

      But back to this budget, just what would you do differently Wayne, I’m sure we would all like to know?

    • John A Neve says:

      10:35am | 12/05/10

      Mavis,

      Your knowledge of politics is about as bad as your knowledge about me. I am about as far from being a “labor staffer” as I am from winning Tatts.

      That is the real trouble with rusted on supporters, few if any of their comments are based on fact. No wonder our country is in a mess!!

    • Randal says:

      11:00am | 12/05/10

      Well if Perse prediction is correct that “If the mining tax goes to a Greens controlled Senate, it will be a lot nastier than what’s on offer at present.”

      That is even more reason to block this now and let the Australian people know that a vote for the ALP is a vote to put the mines out of business.

      Which raises another point, when the ETS is re-introduced into this Green Utopia, will the ALP also cave in and implement an even higher taxing ETS that further anhilates this sector.

      Is the plan for the future implemention of an ETS planned to be put upon top of the RRT - effectively double dipping a tax onto the most critical national sector?

      Look forward to seeing Rudd squirm when answering that question during the campaign.

    • Christian Real says:

      11:04am | 12/05/10

      Mavis,
            At lest John knows what he is talking about, it appears that it is you don’t.
            I don’t work for Labor, or get paid by Labor, as I am employed by private enterprise.

    • Wayne Fehlhaber says:

      11:09am | 12/05/10

      Mavis :  John Neve may not be connected to Labor via membership but let me reassure you he is well indoctrinated with Labor dogma , spin , ideology and theology. John likes to present himself as a fence sitter but if you study his contributions you will note that he will side with Labor on almost every subject. That is his right and prerogative but he can expect to be continually challenged on his views which reflect Labor’s spin and dogma.

    • Wayne Fehlhaber says:

      11:17am | 12/05/10

      persephone :  TonY Abbott has already warned Rudd that the Opposition will oppose the 40% resourses tax on profits. 
      Maybe you have failed to note that Queensland Premier Bligh is less than pleased at the prospect of job losses , mining infrastructure cancellations , exploration suspensions , Royalty losses etc etc.
      The passage of that particular budget proposal through the Senate will be a rough one indeed.

    • Christian Real says:

      11:30am | 12/05/10

      Persephone,
                    If the Liberals fail to allow this tax to pass through the Senate, like they have blocked most other bills submitted to the Senate, then they are not acting responsible, and they are not acting in the interests of Australia or the Australian people.
      One of the proposals contained in the Ken Henry,” tax review, was a 40% resource rent tax on miners, which the government has set about implementing.
      This is an extract of a story that I found online at:http://www.abc.net/news/stories/2010.05/11/2896630.htm?site=thedrum
      “But then just days after Tony Abbott became opposition leader and the CPRS was effectively killed,Ken Henry delivered to the government a solution: his Future Tax System Review contained the proposal for a 40 per cent resource rent tax on the miners.”
      For the Liberal Opposition party to block this bill in the Senate would show that they are Un-Australian, because they are not acting in the best interests of the Australian people, and they are blocking bills in the Senate just for the sake of blocking them.

    • Mark says:

      01:13pm | 12/05/10

      Hahahaha.

      Pers advises (threatens) the Libs to toe the line.

      Christian Real claims Koch is an expert.

      Lol. I love this website.

    • luke09 says:

      01:37pm | 12/05/10

      Swan didn’t have much choice but to reign in the spending(waste).

    • John A Neve says:

      04:53pm | 12/05/10

      Wayne,

      Regarding my fence sitting (your view), even if true, I’d suggest it is better than being one eyed.
      The trouble with those like you and Mavis, is that you have followed the party line that long, you can mo longer think for yourselves!!!

      I’ve asked you three times now Wayne, what is wrong with this budget and what would you do differently?

      PS Question time today really showed the opposition up, suggestion; why don’t they pool their brains, it would make for a better debate.

    • Wayne Fehlhaber says:

      09:30pm | 12/05/10

      John Neve :  Seems quite a few contributors come to the same conclusions as i have regards the Labor slant to your posts John. 
      Why do you think that might be. ?
      I have already answered your question on the budget failings John.
      I suggest you read my posts and pay a bit more attention to what i have said.  Oh by the way , the trouble with you is that you have become far too wrapped in your own importance that you fail to see there is two sides to the coin . Flip it over and take a look. !

    • John A Neve says:

      09:15am | 13/05/10

      Wayne,

      Regarding you latest post, just where have you told us what you would do differently in relation to the budget?

      All you ever do, like many others, is just keep repeating the party line,
      what ever hppened to originality?

      Are you aware Wayne, we have in the last three years had, Howard, Nelson, Turnbull and now Abbott and you have supported all of them!!!
      You have even told how bloody good they were.

      Came on Wayne, face reality, we have a very weak opposition don’t we?

    • David J says:

      09:02pm | 11/05/10

      Credit card intrest rates to rise, oh goodie just what we all wanted

    • TrueOz says:

      09:11pm | 11/05/10

      Exactly what might have been expected from the most incompetent government Australia has seen since the days of Whitlam & Co.

    • kp says:

      09:16pm | 11/05/10

      The crappiest and most disgusting budget I have ever had the displeasure of hearing !!!!!!!!!  Get rid of the “maybe” mining tax as it will bring this wonderful country of ours down !!!!!!!  Another thing, look after the pensioners, you scum bags.  Poor old things.  You have done nothing for them.  Shame on you Krudd and Co.

    • Christian Real says:

      07:46am | 12/05/10

      KP,
      It appears that you are the most crappiest and disgusting person ever to appear on these blogs, and the vile and hatred from Liberal party supporters like you only shows why the Liberal party aren’t worth voting for.
      “The Mining Tax” was one of the proposals in the Ken Henry ‘Future Tax system Review” and the ALP has taken that proposal onboard, and yet you other Liberals and Tony (no policies) Abbott is ridiculing and attacking Rudd over it.
      Extracts from a online news item reads:
      “So two years of astonishing economic out performance has brought forward the budget surplus by three years. And if it hadn’t been for the Coalition coup late last year that made Tony Abbott opposition leader and meant that the emissions trading scheme had to be deferred, there would have been quite a sizeable surplus in 2012 - 13, rather than the bare $1 billion in today’s budget.”
      “but then just days after Tony Abbott became opposition leader and the CPRS was effectively killed, Ken Henry delivered to the government a solution: his Future Tax System Review contained the proposal for a 40% resource rent tax on miners.”
      KP, and as for your crap"get rid of the ‘maybe’ mining tax as it will bring this wonderful country of ours down”
      KP, it is not ” the mining tax that will bring this wonderful country of ours down”, it is you narrow minded, blind sheep Liberal followers that will cause that to happen,it is you and other Liberals that appear to be a blight on this wonderful country of ours.

    • soultrader says:

      08:17am | 12/05/10

      @Christian
      You are a bitter twisted son of a, aren’t you. Why not take a valium and take some deep breaths. How are the Workcover payments going? Has your State Labor government cut the payments - see, you can’t trust Labor to look after the worker. Fang them for a change

    • persephone says:

      09:40am | 12/05/10

      Pensioners got a rise in the last budget and - for the first time, I believe - pensions were indexed to inflation, meaning that they will rise automatically.

      Pensioners also got an increased utilities allowance, which will continue.

    • Christian Real says:

      09:58am | 12/05/10

      Soultrader,
      I have no problem with any of the governments, State or Federal, and I am still receiving workcover because I am unable to work as yet in industry where I am employed.
      I don’t believe that I am as bitter and twisted as the “born to rule” Liberal bloggers commenting in here either.

    • Greek Snake says:

      10:38am | 12/05/10

      It’s great to base a budget on a tax that won’t even pass in it’s current form. Krudd is showing signs of negotiating the rate with the mining giants anyway. Given the entire budget hinges on this super tax, I wouldn’t be counting my chickens yet.

      Christian, John and persephone are all trumpeting off as though Labor’s won the election already.

      Tell me guys, where do I get an application form for the ALP Cheer Squad?

    • Wayne Fehlhaber says:

      12:49pm | 12/05/10

      persephone :  The Pension has been indexed to the C.P.I. for many years and under the Howard govt. C.P.I. increases were paid every 3months without fail.
      The utilities allowance was not increased in the last budget , it was paid fortnightly , instead of quarterly .
      Just by the way pers , the Utilities Allowance was introduced by the Howard/Costello govt.
      Here endeth the first lesson.

    • persephone says:

      01:30pm | 12/05/10

      Tssk, yes, I got that wrong.

      Under Howard, pensions were adjusted either according to the CPI or Average male weekly earnings.

      This was found (by the Harmer report) to be unsatisfactory.

      There are now three factors taken into account instead, to allow for pension increases which more accurately reflect pensioner’s cost of living expenses.

      And yes, the utilities allowance was increased, by $2.49 per week for single pensioners and $10.14 for a couple.

      http://www.aph.gov.au/library/pubs/RP/BudgetReview2009-10/Welfare_PensionReforms.htm

    • WayneT says:

      01:57pm | 12/05/10

      Ken Henry isn’t God or the Grand Designer, his word isn’t sacred.  Stop holding him up as the saviour of our economy.  Just because he carries out a review doesn’t make it absolute or the best course of action.  If it were, then KRudd & Co would have implemented all his recommendations.  But all they did was selectively pick the juicy bits that will help pull them out of the shite they are in.  They’ve taken the gutless easy path instead of including banking sector profiteering from the GFC.  This budget is based on too many assumptions.  It’s designed more to represent them as fiscal conservatives prior to an election.  The real test will be the budget prior to them calling the election.  Don’t tell me there won’t be some sweeteners in that one.  That’s what they are really saving up for.

    • James Knight says:

      09:57pm | 11/05/10

      The land the minig companies use belongs to the people and so the profits should be returned to the people. I say good on ‘em for standing up.

    • WKH says:

      06:42am | 12/05/10

      They stand up you say James! I wish I could knock em back down again…what a disaster and clowns like you who have no idea…just sounds good doesn’t it….take from the rich and give to the poor and apart from that you would have no understanding of what this government is doing…
      KRUDD = FAIL

    • TrueOz says:

      07:55am | 12/05/10

      James - what people? Does the land belong to its original inhabitants? Should they receive all of the money from royalties and taxes? Or does it somehow miraculously belong to you and other “taxpayers”? How did you acquire ownership? What exactly did you ever do to deserve the wealth being extracted from the ground? Did you contribute towards the capital of the mining company that extracted it? Did you fly to China and do a deal with a purchaser? I doubt it. You probably sat in front of your television listening to the bull-shit that poured from the mouth of Wayne Swan. James, it’s time to recognise that you have contributed little or nothing towards the prosperity that Australia enjoys from its huge mining sector - something that Wayne Swan and Kevin Rudd in their naivety (more stupidity really) could destroy. Regrettably, it appears that you support them in their misguided efforts - and worse still - you’ll get to cast a vote at the next elections. Time for you to stop watching TV and swallowing the shit spewed from the mouths of these imbeciles. Read a book - something that isn’t written by Kev’s spin doctors would be good.

    • John A Neve says:

      08:34am | 12/05/10

      TrueOz,
      The land and all thats in it belongs, in my view to the people. As does water, the air we breath and the sun that warms us. It has nothing to do with race.

      As to the public’s contribution, yes the people via the state have contributed.

      Based on your obvious lack of knowledge, if any one watches too much TV it’s you TrueOz.

    • Christian Real says:

      11:49am | 12/05/10

      John a Neve,
                    You are right in what you have written,  “The land and all thats in it “does belong to the Australian people.

    • Wayne Fehlhaber says:

      06:07pm | 12/05/10

      John Neve : watch out John !  Christian Real is lining you up for a land grab.

    • Christian Real says:

      06:35am | 13/05/10

      Wayne,
              I agree with John Neve,because I know that he is right,and what he has written is right, as for the ‘Land grab’, I am happy at the moment with the five acres that my wife and I own outside of Hervey Bay.
              John and I know each other, as I was a candidate for the local council 6 years ago,although he possibly would not recognise me by my screen name.

    • chris says:

      10:01pm | 11/05/10

      Fair suck of the sav,the pack will be on the run from Canberra trying to feed us shit with this disgusting budget bowl.

    • Daryl Saal says:

      10:04pm | 11/05/10

      Never ceases to amaze me just how petty and vindictive the uber conservative posters are. Don’t bother to use logic and thoughtful commentary just use emotive and abusive language. Negativity is bad for the health so you will all die earlier that you wish. Both sides of politics wisely utilise Treasury advice when framing budgets, just putting their own political slant on the outcome, so don’t be so outraged.

    • Soultrader says:

      08:20am | 12/05/10

      @Daryl
      Try reading Christian Real’s blogs - talk about vicious attacks

    • Christian Real says:

      10:05am | 12/05/10

      Soultrader,
      I guess I must of hit a raw nerve,the way you rebounded with your comment like a Liberal attack dog.
      As for your claim about vicious attacks by my comments, they are no more vicious than some of those from Liberal commentors in this blog, and mine are also a tad milder than theirs also.

    • Rob r Charteris says:

      12:39pm | 12/05/10

      Cristian Real; the liberals and their supporters become more bitter and twisted, spin infested rabble with every coming day…. I hear more intelligence coming out off teenagers after they have had a session on the bong. If anyone wrecking this country it is them. Just listen to the howling that all they can do…. there is no alternative policy, sorry there is but it’s a policy of oppose. And they do this in the same breath with saying we’re representing the Australian people…. that could not be further from the truth. All the bullshit and fear campaign from the liberals at the last election has come to nothing.

    • Ben81 says:

      02:25pm | 12/05/10

      Oh yeah well the people on my side of politics are all well versed and calm, and all the people on yours are angry and irrational!  Oh and my dad could beat up your dad!

    • Wayne Fehlhaber says:

      09:17pm | 12/05/10

      Rob r Charteris :  Methinks you may have supped well from the hypothetical bong my friend.

    • Chase says:

      10:13pm | 11/05/10

      Hahaha the Herald Sun poll is so predictable, why did you bother including that?

    • PHFM says:

      10:13pm | 11/05/10

      Cant see anything wrong with it,it just means that all the greedy little liberals gone get a thing and that the major people,like hospitals,and the coffers get a boost.
      The only thing I am cranky about is that the Pensioners got nopthing at all
      A message to KP yiou call us pensioners scumbags…hety l;isten who has paid taxes all our life,definately NOT you ...looked in th mirror at all

    • Qlder says:

      10:25pm | 11/05/10

      PFHM,

      Read Kp’s entry carefully, he’s on your side…KP’s denouncing Swan for not looking after pensioners!

    • Jimbo says:

      10:23pm | 11/05/10

      According to the ABC hes going to target the disabled pensioners, I think he has a death wish, this will be more votes lost and Foxtel said credit card interest rates will go up now

    • CHristian Real says:

      08:19am | 12/05/10

      Jimbo
      It is the banks that put up the interests rates on credit cards and other things, not the governments.
      it appears that Liberals have a major fault in their capacity to think and that is why they   blame the Government for everything.

    • Jenny says:

      12:05am | 12/05/10

      Not only did pensioners get nothing from the budget, disabled pensioners are being targetted yet again to pay for this government’s monumental stuff-ups!  Pray on those members of society who are the sofest targets as usual.  All this while asylum-seekers tough it out in 4 star comfort in a Brisbane motel.  Many pensioners would kill to live even half as well.  Perhaps we pensioners should pool our meagre resources, buy a leaky boat arrive on the shores of our own country and then enjoy the benefits afforded to those who do this!

    • mtdd says:

      12:18am | 12/05/10

      More GP super-clinics promised when only 2-3 out of the original number (38) promised in 2007 have been delivered. Pfft to that budget promise. A budget built on quicksand - ie a tax that hasn’t even been passed. Clearly, when Rudd backdowns on the so-called super-profit (thanks Karl Marx) tax many of the brave revenue projections in the budget will be down the gurgler. A budget built on a fantasy..

    • persephone says:

      09:47am | 12/05/10

      But all budgets do that - rely on tax or saving measures which are yet to be passed.

      No signs whatsoever that Rudd has any intention on backing down on the tax, and there are no good reasons for him to do so.

    • Beau says:

      11:21am | 12/05/10

      Nice repeating of Joe Hockey’s lines there mtdd. Almost word for word. You’ve done good.

    • mtdd says:

      09:44pm | 12/05/10

      “Beau says:12:21pm | 12/05/10
      Nice repeating of Joe Hockey’s lines there mtdd. Almost word for word. You’ve done good.” Apart from the inane sarcasm I note the time of your post - skylarking on the job eh? Past performance is typically the best predictor of future performance - and the past non-performance in respect to the GP clinics suggests this further promise will go the way of the last. Likewise, this budget is to a degree built on fantasy and on factors yet to be finalised - and the more the govt pushes the tax the more the banks shut their wallets - after all why finance a project when a tax is so uncertain. The Henry Review did not propose the rent tax in the fashion that the govt has. Rudd has a track record of backflipping - so a backdown is more then possible - look at his stonewalling initially to the Premiers re his health plan - then he caves in and throws money..

    • Christian Real says:

      08:07am | 12/05/10

      So Joe Hockey says “that the opposition will have its plan to return the budget to surplus within a matter of weeks’
      With Tony Abbott recently telling us if “Jesus was here, that Jesus would turn refugees back also” it appears he is relying on another “divine intervention, and is awaiting a miricle”  to achieve ” returning the budget to surplus in a matter of weeks” should he be elected at the next federal election.

    • Diamantina Dick says:

      08:22am | 12/05/10

      So we are a further 43B in debt this year and we maybe are 1B in the black in 3 years. 1B is what it is costing (forecast) to FIX the insulation problems.

      And all tey want us to talk about is the 1B surplus (maybe).

      Smell the java people.

    • persephone says:

      09:50am | 12/05/10

      No, it’s less than half of that, DD - the forecast to fix insulation problems is $440 million.

      I would speculate, however, that a lot of that will come back once the shoddy installers are identified and prosecuted - the government has already made it clear that it will get as much money as possible back from installers as it can.

      If people have been defrauding the taxpayers, it’s only right that they should be made to pay.

    • Ryan says:

      11:42am | 12/05/10

      @persephone : I wonder how much that class action being brought against the government by the Insulation installers is going to cost the government?

    • luke09 says:

      12:52pm | 12/05/10

      One billion in surplus in three years, at that rate our 140 billion debt Rudd managed in less than three years will be paid off by the year 2153.

    • Daniel says:

      08:36am | 12/05/10

      Tony Abbott attacks this budget but if he ever gets in say goodbye to redunduncy payments and overtime rates etc. It will all go in his mind.

    • Mercurial79 says:

      09:00am | 12/05/10

      I’m struggling to comprehend the spin. Last year Rudd and Swan said the unprecedented borrowing and stimulus spending in the budget was to shield us from the global recession and the uncertainty and volatility in international markets. This morning on radio Rudd said that with the uncertainty and volatility in other markets, particularly Europe, it would be irresponsible for the budget to not be conservative in nature. Huh?

    • James says:

      09:33am | 12/05/10

      An extra 600 million to tackle the greatest moral challenge of our time, imagine Winston Churchill offering to spend the 1945 equivilent of 600 million dollars to defeat Nazi Germany.  Take your 600 million and stick it! 

      History will judge Rudd as a gutless weasle who didn’t actually believe what he said.

    • Mother of 7 says:

      09:42am | 12/05/10

      Rudd this time you gone too far. No new money for unemployed,dole cheats,single mothers or new migrants.
      You gone man.My vote go to Tony Abbott, he will look after the poor and homeless.
      Feed me!, please feed me!

    • Rover says:

      11:23am | 12/05/10

      On the bright side, the price of the pill will come down.

    • Brian Connor says:

      10:21am | 12/05/10

      When will Rudd backflip on the mining tax…...days? weeks? He will keep it there and do another deal with the States to reduce taxes on miners. Like the ridiculous health deal - take with one hand, give with the other, no change.

      Rudd the fiddler.

    • Michael says:

      10:53am | 12/05/10

      Mother of 7, perhaps you should be asking for money in the budget for adult education lessons. Your grammar is appalling not to mention your short sighted view of the needs of a national economy.

    • Mother of 7 says:

      12:26pm | 12/05/10

      @Michael..
      exactly this is what I mean, I need more money for education and food.

    • Sherekahn says:

      10:55am | 12/05/10

      Tony Abbott says the government can’t “change it’s nature from Paris Hilton to Uncle Scrooge”
      On the contrary Mr Abbot, Kevin Rudd has seen “the ghost of Christmases to come,” and like scrooge has chosen to act!

    • Christian Real says:

      12:16pm | 12/05/10

      It’s ironic that Tony Abbott is comparing the government with Paris Hilton and Uncle Scrooge, it reminded me of a story that I found on the 16/04/2010,in the Daily Telegraph online about Tony Abbott.
      “Tony Abbott’s a Scrooge for sacking staff over the holiday season”
      “Tony Abbott is playing the part of Scrooge this Christmas by letting go of most of former opposition leader Malcolm Turnbull’s 25 staff just in time for the festive season.”
      “We understand that the Mad Monk will be keeping so of the junior staff.”
      “Bah humbug.”

    • Neil says:

      11:05am | 12/05/10

      Why do krud and that other person Gillard crow on about being in surplus by 2013. How about saying whether this years budget is in surplus or deficit?

    • Kate says:

      11:06am | 12/05/10

      persephone says:10:50am | 12/05/10

      No, it’s less than half of that, DD - the forecast to fix insulation problems is $440 million.

      I would speculate, however, that a lot of that will come back once the shoddy installers are identified and prosecuted - the government has already made it clear that it will get as much money as possible back from installers as it can.

      If people have been defrauding the taxpayers, it’s only right that they should be made to pay.

      WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING?

      PROSECUTE?

      This comes from the party of Milton Orkopoulos, Mark Arbib-Eric Roozendaal and their property deals. Belinida Neal…....

      There will be no prosecutions despite 4 people dying and who know how many house fires and electrified houses. It would not surprise me if there was no clean up and the money was pocketed by the ALP - they will lie, cheat and steal from the Australian people at any opportunity.

      Seriously Persphone…....if you have nothing to offer in commentary that has any basis in fact then take a break, it gets tiresome.

    • Rover says:

      11:26am | 12/05/10

      Two people have already been charged over Matthew Fuller’s death. It was widely reported last week. I’m surprised you missed it, with your keen interest in the issue.

    • persephone says:

      11:31am | 12/05/10

      Well, here’s some facts for you:

      http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/charges-laid-over-insulation-death-20100506-ufx7.html

      So at least one prosecution for the death of an installer is already in progress - that’s a fact.

      There will be more. Coroners have to investigate and report on the deaths, and make recommendations. In all of these cases, they are likely to recommend charges be laid - a fact.

      Nothing can happen, however, until the coroner has reported - a fact.

      That’s the way our legal system works - in fact.

      The government has expressed an intention to recoup money from ‘dodgy’ installers - that’s a fact.

      Governments can’t pocket money in the way you describe - there are all sorts of checks and balances to prevent this - and that’s a fact.

      If you don’t know what you’re talking about, don’t say anything. It just makes you look ignorant.

    • Jacko says:

      11:52am | 12/05/10

      Was one P.Garrett or K.Rudd? Where are the 4 letters in his top drawer?

    • Janette says:

      12:00pm | 12/05/10

      No Jacko, oddly enough it appear his employers who sent him untrained into a ceiling cavity with metal staples which had already been banned from use with foil insulation are the ones who’ve been charged.

    • Christian Real says:

      12:55pm | 12/05/10

      Kate,
      This comes from the party that you and others believe has the sun shining out of their A—-s, and how Howard “code of conduct” was a farce.
      1: ’ When his close friend the Resources Minister,Warwick Parer, failed to declare his shareholdings in the resource sector, John howard refused to sack him.
      2: “When Warren Entsch did not declare his directorship of a concrete company that won a large government contract with tender, John Howard refused to sack him.”
      3: ” when Peter reith lent his taxpayer - funded telecard to people who made $50,000 worth of calls(not to mention lying over the children overboard affair) John Howard refused to sack him.
      4: ” When Phillip{sic} Ruddock and Amanda Vanstone,as Immigration Ministers,wrongfully detained or deported {people in } 200 cases, John Howard refused to sack them.
      5: “When helen coonan misled Parliament over her interests regarding an investment property,and failed to disclose her directorship of a public company, John Howard refused to sack her.”
      6: ” and, of course,when Alexander downer and Mark vaile were embroiled in the AWB scandal, John H
      Howard refused to sack them.”
      * And yet another one I found online:
      “Howard knew of slush fund to target Hanson, written by Mike seccombe, august 27, 2003.
      “The Prime Minister,John Howard,was aware of a $100,000 clandestine trust fund set up by Workplace Relations Minister, Tony Abbott,to bankroll legal action against Pauline hanson and One Nation”
      “But it appears that Mr Abbott could be in breach of his leader’s code of conduct,because he did not formally notify Mr Howard until three months after it began.”
      “A spokesman for Mr Howard said last night Mr Abbott had “formally notified the register of minister’s interests and the Prime Minister about the existence of a trust” after the 1998 election.”
      Mr Abbott did not seek the Prime minister’s approval for the fund-raising activities but Mr Abbott did nothing wrong in pursuing legitimate questions about One Nation’s registration as a political party,” the spokesman said.”
      “But later he clarified the comment,saying media reports of the existence of the trust had run “several months” before Mr abbott’s declaration, and that was how Mr Howard first learnt of the slush fund.”
      “the fund was set up in late august,1998, but was not declared until December 3.”
      * Tony Abbott was just another Minister that broke John Howard’s “Code of Conduct” and yet John Howard refused to sack him also, as he did with all his other Ministers and Senators.

    • Raven says:

      11:53am | 12/05/10

      Um…all those of you moaning about how the Rudd governement have spent up big on the surplus and “wasted money” with the $900 stimulus package…I bet you ran gleefully to the bank and then to the shops to “spend up big” when you received this so called waste of money in your bank accounts! Don’t think you were thinking about the waste at that point!

    • Greek Snake says:

      01:20pm | 12/05/10

      Yea Raven, I deposited my 900 dollar check quick smart. People I knew spent big online on mostly electronic goods, stimulating the off-shore economies, not ours.

      I bet the millions of checks that went to dead people and citizens that emigrated overseas went to great use too. Well done Labor. If that wasn’t “buy a vote” I don’t know what is. Problem is, it bought them a single term in office, but it bought us years of sovereign debt.

      Kevin 07? Not again in 2010.

    • AdamC says:

      12:03pm | 12/05/10

      I would be one of the few who remember what they spent it on. I expanded my pantry: an excellent lifestyle investment.

      I think the ‘cash-splashes’ were defensible. It is the valueless batt scheme/scam and the untimely, waste-ridden BER programme that the gov has been rightly castigated for. Much of the BER builds haven’t even started yet!

    • Nesmit Keen says:

      12:19pm | 12/05/10

      Now the government pats itself on the back for a cap on spending of 2%, when the reality is that it it should have adopted the henry review, abolished middle class welfare and 100 misc taxes and brought in a 2 tier flater tax system. the only word for this government is pathetic.  Classic style dem-socialist. Happy to blow $40+ billion to save 10-20,000 jobs. Too gutless to abolish regressive taxation.

    • Christian Real says:

      02:00pm | 12/05/10

      Nesmit Keen,
      It appears that your job wasn’t one of the 20,000 jobs saved, and is a typical Liberal response showing that they simply would not have care if 20,000 people had been out of work during the Global Financial Crisis
      A fact is the that the 40%  resource Rent Tax on miners, is one of the proposals in the ken Henry tax review,that Labor has adopted.

    • Eye4anEye says:

      04:06pm | 12/05/10

      @ Christian - your repeated bludgeoning of the Mining tax being suggested by Ken Henry and thus gospel that the Labor party must follow is sort of diluted by the fact that they ignored over 130 of his other recomedations.

      This indicated either Labor thinks hes over 90% wrong and thus a poor choice of advisor or that they are cherry picking for their own political benfit (shock horror).

      Your repeated and numourous rants on this are IMO lowering your credibility.

      my point of view is the budget is bad simply because it all hinges on the mining resources tax which I see as grossly unfair - at least put it on equel footing to the PRRT tax with a base of 11% not 6% and not affecting existing projects. Will however give Labor budget points for the assessing of disability pensions - one central independant checking system makes alot of sense.

    • Fen says:

      12:50pm | 12/05/10

      as long as the mining keeps bringing in the money and there is no GFC again or terrorism or massive climate change issues Australia is looking sweet.

    • notsurprised says:

      01:13pm | 12/05/10

      Its amazing how many people are swallowing this budget and are satisfied with it at that. In its short life, this administration has promised, botched and back peddled enough to have been in office for a decade. If you choose to continue believing what they say, you will have once again been played as a fool.

    • Try Harder says:

      01:44pm | 12/05/10

      Masterly analysis, NS.

      Now nick off and read the budget papers, the Treasurer’s budget speech, and replay the National Press club session.  And take with you some of these other drones of doom,  all drivelling on without checking the facts. 

      When you’ve done that, and can offer up some sort of rational, even-handed summary of where we are now in terms of deficit, net debt, GDP, and labour force, come on back and lay it out here.

      Hint: some of us already have, so more empty rhetoric and fudgy numbers won’t cut it.

      Go on. Off you go.  Rotsa ruck.

    • notsurprised says:

      04:26pm | 12/05/10

      Try Hard, well done for stating the obvious, the post was neither masterly nor an analysis, as it wasn’t written to be. Just because this budget has been handed down doesn’t mean that everything in it will go ahead and, in fact, given the track record of this government it wouldn’t be surprising if they change their minds about anything at all. I’d be happy to discuss with you the nation’s CAD, GDP and labour force in relation to the 2010 budget in a years time when the full effects can be truely seen. Until then, coming from this government, it is only more words and “empty rhetoric”, that have less and less meaning as time goes on.

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