A cash giveaway to millions of pensioners last year has triggered an outbreak of crook backs. The nation has for years watched on as a growing army of pensioned-off disabled workers, many of them dispirited middle-aged blokes, has emerged. 

The total number of disabled pensioners in Australia has topped 700,000.

But it can now be revealed the Rudd Government’s generosity on September 20, 2009 in giving Australians on the Age Pension and Disability Support Pensions a one-off pay rise of to $65 a fortnight had the unintended result of adding tens of thousands of new recruits to the army disabled workers.

Centrelink documents obtained under Freedom of Information laws reveal how in the six months after the pay rise a further 43,117 new Disabled Support Pensioners joined the ranks. In October alone, in the weeks after the pension pay boost, 8,615 applicants were approved.

Recipients on the Newstart allowance, the old dole, were by-passed by the pension pay rise, increasing the income gap between those on Newstart looking for a job and those on the Disability Support Pension (DSP) to as much as $120 a week.

Who can blame anyone among the tens of thousands of former job seekers for being tempted by the cash to give up on searching for work? As well as more money, the DSP has no job activity test or requirement to enter “employment pathways” to get job ready. 

It’s not a bungle on the scale of the insulation scheme or the bloated Building the Education Revolution, but the pension pay rise smells like another Rudd Government policy botch.

It has served to exacerbate a DSP growth problem that has spun out of control for both the Howard and Rudd Governments. At the end of December, 2009, 777,725 Australians were on the DSP. Just six months earlier, at June 30, there were 757,118. A decade earlier in June 1999 there were 577,682 on the disability pension.

DSP recipient numbers have streaked past unemployed numbers. The number of unemployed fell to 611,000 in March.

Don’t be tricked by the name of the benefit – not all on the DSP are wheelchair bound, blind, terminally ill or intellectually impaired. Previous analysis of DSP recipients shows almost a third were on the benefit in the broad category of “musculo-skeletal and connective tissue”. Yet another third were there for psychological or psychiatric complaints. A few hundred had reproductive disorders.
Over a period of two decades a pool of experienced workers, essential for keeping Australia’s growth rate ticking, has been allowed to fade away into a world of endless daytime TV, deteriorating self-worth and in some cases obesity.

The system as it now is configured means that doing even part time work may disqualify them from the DSP, so there is no reason to bother.

Both Human Services Minister Chris Bowen and then Families, Housing and Community Services Minister Jenny Macklin did not respond to answers to questions about whether the September pension pay rise – as well-intended as it was – may have caused the latest DSP surge.

Mr Bowen’s office sent through a press release from earlier this month outlining the success of optical surveillance in catching out welfare cheats. There was also a recent closure of a loophole that allowed 71 “fly-in, fly out” disabled pensioners who get the benefit despite maintaining a home overseas. But all this is barely embroidery on a intractable problem.

The nation’s peak welfare group, ACOSS, argues that widening the gap between Newstart benefits and the DSP was unwise and unfair. As well as making the DSP more tempting, it also left those already on the DSP with too much to lose should they start looking for work

In a discussion paper released this week Out of the Maze, ACOSS is calling for all people on income support of working age, whether on Newstart, DSP or other benefit, be paid the same amount for basic expenses, with a disability supplement if needed. Couples would be paid 1.5 times the single rate.

ACOSS senior policy advisor Peter Davidson was one who publicly warned that when Newstart was by-passed by the pension rise it would lead to more people on the DSP.

Mr Davidson said news that 40,000 more people joined the DSP in the six months after the pension rise was the kind of outcome he feared. The figure did need to be compared to the same period the year before for an accurate result, however.

“The pension rise would encourage people to apply for the DSP who might not otherwise”, he said

“However we know from past experience what tends to happen is that a year or two after an economic downturn people with some health difficulty give up looking for a job and opt to take the disability pension,’’ he said.

While the DSP was not easy to get – and required the approval of health professionals - the more individuals that apply the more that are likely to get it.

Mr Davidson said there was less incentive than ever for a group of some 700,000 DSP recipients, grandfathered from tighter qualification rules introduced in 2006, to try to rejoin the workforce.

There is strong speculation that fixing the growing army of disabled pensioners will be a theme in the forthcoming report by Treasury Secretary Ken Henry into the nation’s tax system. That report is expected to be released as soon as next week.

Mr Henry, addressing a conference on economic governance late last November, remarked that his review had been told repeatedly “including by those who are themselves disabled” that the disability pension system did not encourage people to return to work.

He noted that the present income system for the medically disabled was “effectively contingent on them working little or not at all.” A single person with no dependents gets $239 a fortnight more on the DSP than Newstart. Individuals in a couple are also better off by $110.80.

- Kelvin Bissett is Investigations Editor, Nine Network Australia

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    • John A Neve says:

      06:18am | 22/04/10

      I believe it is an indictment on our society that so many are in receipt of the DSP.  However, what does this say about our medical profession who assess these people? Our the standards set by which they are judged?

      There are those in our society who are in genuine need of societies support, but there even more who are rorting the system.  The tests needed to be passed to qualify for the DSP need to be tightened and those that test them need to be more stringent in their assessment.

    • TracyS says:

      12:03pm | 22/04/10

      For most of their training, doctors are taught to believe their patients. If a patient says “Doc, I have pain” the doctor will generally try and find out what is causing the pain, and not question whether the pain is actually there. Many of the diagnoses that people are on the DSP for are ones that rely on subjective evidence - the patterns of symptoms and self reported limitations. Does that mean that these illnesses /disabilities do not exist? If a person is unable to work because of an illness, and that illness happens to be one that is diagnosed based on on subjective information - does that make the person’s claim for the DSP less legitimate? These are tough questions to answer, and these are the very questions that the doctors who do the assessments are faced with constantly.

    • Formersnag & swinging voter. says:

      03:26pm | 22/04/10

      @ John A Neve, i hear what you & the article author are saying. My own politics are now very, center right, but there is another related problem we have all been discussing for days now.

      The parlous state of our public hospital/health system. Many people on DSP have chronic problems with mental health, the proverbial bad back, etc & they get little or no treatment at all.

      Some of these people with appropriate medical treatment/rehab might have a chance of getting back into the work force, but are never given that chance. Psychiatry works very much on the basis of throwing some happy pills at “the problem” & go away. How many people with a bad back have had orthopedic spesialists really look at it, MRI’s as well as xrays?

    • WKH says:

      06:30am | 22/04/10

      Yep, I packed up my 120k a year job to go on to a full time carer’s pension just for the money…....Seriously though I am surprised that pensioner crime is not on the rise. I am in the process now of looking at how we will survive the next 12 months on this piddling amount of money that is supposed to keep us going. I think my only option (apart from crime) is to dump my wife in a hospital and let the State pick up the cost. Do you know what it feels like to live a reasonable life on a reasonable income and then suddenly find you are at the mercy of the government through know fault of your own? It took me ages to be able to pull my pensioners card out to get a discount because of the stigma I felt as I had become a burden of the State. I cried when I was standing in my first Centrelink line. I wouldn’t wish this kind of life on anyone and I can not understand why you would sign up for it voluntarily. I miss my job and my old life but thank you for making me feel like even more of a bludger than I did before. If I have any of my pension left at the end of the fortnight I will donate it back…

    • Tim says:

      08:33am | 22/04/10

      Well obviously he’s not talking about people who are fully incapacitated but thanks for over-reacting.
      I’m sorry for your situation but it is a fact that there is a growing number of people willing to rort the system.
      The government needs to try something different to wean these people off welfare and back into the workplace.
      And what are our medical professionals doing if they are assessing so many people as being disabled? What kind of standards are they working to?

    • persephone says:

      09:32am | 22/04/10

      Tim
      as WKH points out, very few people are proud and happy to be on government payouts.

      I’m don’t think WKH is talking about being fully incapacitated, but about those who are thrown on the scrapheap through no fault of their own (the GFC has resulted in a lot of these) and then are further demoralised by their inability to find work, often due to their age.

      The employment prospects of someone in their early fifties are statistically very poor.

      Centrelink requires job seekers to apply for four jobs a fortnight. If you can’t get work, that’s four humiliating knockbacks a fortnight, which is even more demoralising.

      Sometimes doctors will recommend a disability pension for people in that position - because there’s only so much of that kind of humiliation people can take.

    • Tim says:

      10:22am | 22/04/10

      Persephone,
      you even admit it in your comment.
      “Sometimes doctors will recommend a disability pension for people in that position - because there’s only so much of that kind of humiliation people can take. “

      Humiliation is not a disability. Stress from looking for work is not a disability.
      We should be doing more to get people like that re-engaged into society instead of allowing them to sit on disability benefits forever. Maybe some of these people who get thrown on the scraphead need to forget their pride and accept work that is available instead of just falling through the cracks. 

      And with regards to WKH, it sounds like he has had to stop working to care for a family member. Sure that sounds like a really bad situation but I would say cases like his would be in the extreme minority and not the kind of people they were talking about in the article

    • Eye4anEye says:

      07:32pm | 22/04/10

      Insurance - Income protection insurance, Total Disablility insurance and Trauma insurance. Everyone should have it to avoid just this sort of situation. Even if you/your partner are not working they can still get 2 of the 3.

      No I’m not in any way affiliated with insurance - I did however just update my policies.

    • Super D says:

      07:01am | 22/04/10

      But if the government cracked down on disability rorts they would have to put up with a higher unemployment number.  The only way to ever see a crackdown is to start reporting an unemployed plus disability statistic.  This would reduce the political disincentive to move people off disability.

      Also disability parking needs to be toughened up significantly.

    • Stop jumping to conclusions says:

      08:40am | 22/04/10

      RE: Disabililty parking - I think some people don’t understand when young people require disabled parking at times. My husband (he was 23 at the time) had a really serious illness, spent 9 months in hospital and could barely walk. He was told by his doctor to get a disability parking label from the RTA because he needed it - both to get to medical appointments and to be able to do things like go to the chemist to pick up the medication that we need. The amount of times he was insulted by people made me angry and upset. He could barely walk - it took him honestly ten minutes to get from the car into the shops - a distance of maybe 70metres. But all they saw was it was a young guy in a nice car and he was called everything from a fraud, a bludger, and so many four letter words that I can’t even begin to list them.

      So please, before you go targeting disability parking, make sure you know the facts. Sometimes a person may not look like they need it, but they really do. My husband was in severe, chronic pain and was forced by his doctor to use the pass. He didn’t want to have to use it, but he couldn’t survive without it - he found it embarrassing and humiliating, which was made even worse by people making snap judgements without knowing any of the facts.

    • persephone says:

      09:34am | 22/04/10

      Agreed, stop jumping!

      I know of two girls in their twenties. Both of them look terrific and both of them are regularly abused for using disabled parking.

      Both of them were in minor accidents which resulted in permanent nerve damage. Neither of them can stand or walk for more than twenty minutes.

    • Bella says:

      09:59am | 22/04/10

      Well if they have the tag on the car then it shouldn’t be a problem??

    • Stop jumping to conclusions says says:

      11:22am | 22/04/10

      “Well if they have the tag on the car then it shouldn’t be a problem?? “

      Nope, it is. We copped SO MUCH abuse, even though the tag was prominently displayed - one guy was so abusive my husband showed him the photo of himself on it, and he still wouldn’t leave it alone.

    • Super D says:

      11:46am | 22/04/10

      That you copped abuse for valid use of a permit underlines the perception that the system is being rorted which in many instances it is.  I live in inner sydney and its 1 hour parking on my street for non-residents.  On any given day half the spaces are occupied all day by disabled parkers commuter parking.  Perhaps the solution is to allow disabled parkers double the time limit rather than carte-blanche.  Again this is just my personal judgement, but if someone can make it up the steep hill at the top of my street its a stretch to call them disabled.

    • Charity Box says:

      11:53am | 22/04/10

      RE: Disabilty Parking…well,since when is age a disability,all I see is old people in disabled parking…age is not a disabilty its life.,to me they are saying I am old,I need to park closer to the shops,so give me a disability sticker,when most should get of there arse and move,exercise improved cardio vascular problems,keeps the weight down,and generally good for general health…

    • JP says:

      08:53am | 23/04/10

      @Charity Box
      My grandmother is 90 years old, still lives independantly, and I take her shopping for food once a week.  This is a four hour event - just to the supermarket, grog shop and fruit shop - as she is very slow and short of breath.  And I thank god for the disabled parking sticker each time I take her shopping.  If it wasn’t available and she had to walk any further, the shopping excusrion would add several more hours to my already hectic schedule.  Why don’t I just nip in and do the shop for her in a fraction of the time?  Because she is fully functioning and still an active elderly member of society despite no longer being quick and nimble - and she likes to get out.
      I can’t for the life of me understand why the first fifty car parks near the doors in shopping centres aren’t for the exclusive use of the elderly and parents with small children anyway- and the unencumbered/ fit just walk a little further; and where have all the seats gone in the shops like Myers and DJ’s these days.  Was once a time when someone who needed to, could sit, take a rest and go on again.

    • Russ says:

      11:34am | 24/04/10

      The young fit fellas who have disabled stickers and off to the gym, acrrying the suit bags who park in Park St each early morning (maybe using mum or dads sticker) would not agree with you Super D.

    • acker says:

      07:20am | 22/04/10

      I ask the question do more people in urban areas access this pension due to greater access of doctors ?

      Unfortunately getting or not getting of this pension is all over the shop due to a plethora of reasons including but not only because a lot of proud (often rural) blokes recalitrance to see a doctor unless a limb is almost dropping off and alternatively others that want compo for a hang nail.

      I have no easy suggestions except tighter controls and more effort promoting and providing mens health in partlicular in rural areas.

      But a suggestion I will make is reducing the maximum weight of any bagged product sold in Australia (including stockfeed & fertiliser) to 25kg

      I have humped many of these bags in my life including 65kg bags of imported copra meal once, yes it seldom troubles you when your young and doing it, but now 20+ years on I wish I didn’t and I have the legacy of regular back pain to remind me about it.

      I’m not on a pension, I take a panadol, but it would only take some national legislation to limit these bag sizes, and it would not add that much more to the price. And if someone wants to debate that perhaps they should be buying that product in bulk.

      But I think implementation would be a another small step helping reduce the amount of people going for this pension.

    • Petek says:

      08:09am | 22/04/10

      It’s easy to kick the disabled or the disillusioned casulties of the GFC in or those living abject poverty but what about record staggering levels of corporate welfare? Who is commenting on that?

    • Scor says:

      10:05am | 22/04/10

      Petek, Yes it is not good and when you talk about all that corporate welfare. If they did not make record profits and their staff pay record tax, and record exports, who would be paying for all this rorting? Rudds credit card is already overdrawn and soon will be revoked. Swnn will have a new roles in life and someone else will have to clean up the mess.

    • Helen says:

      08:36am | 22/04/10

      alternatively others that want compo for a hang nail.

      You have evidence for that Acker? (Note: an “expose” on A Current Affair does not constitute “evidence”.)

    • acker says:

      02:39pm | 22/04/10

      @Helen ..are you arguing that no one who has ever failed in getting compo signed off by one doctor hasn’t attempted going to another one ?

    • Helen says:

      09:24am | 23/04/10

      You have stats on that too? Source
      Don’t forget I also want the specific source for more than one person seeking disability benefits for a hangnail.
      See, I get the definite feeling it’s “anecdata” you’ve pulled out of your arse (and the tabloids.)
      Come on, disappoint me.

    • jamie says:

      08:43am | 22/04/10

      I’m struggling away working fulltime for $70K a year with a chronic back injury from previous Army service that requires I take more than the recommended dose per day of nurofen, and when it gets bad, comforol forte. Indeed I was once on Oxycontin, yep, Hillbilly herion.

      Some days I can barely walk from the pain and stiffness, let alone sleep, get out of bed, shower, get dressed, put my socks on.

      Yes, there are lots of people out there rorting the system, but not all.

      I could be on a disability pension but at 46 I refuse to be labelled useless and disabled. However, when the pain gets too much I will have no choice but to quit work and take a disabled pension. I certainly don’t want to, but I’m not really going to have a say in it.

    • Passing Wind says:

      09:36am | 22/04/10

      There are many people on disability who should be medically checked every 6 months or so, but that’s not the case. They are checked out every 2 to 5 years and in the interim they have all the benefits (and more) fo aged pensioners.  No need to look for work or any of that boring stuff.

      There are also people who have been unemployed for decades. Why aren’t they checked out, too? Why are they still getting the dole?

      The $65 a fortnight increase for aged pensioners sounds good but it is not true for everyone.  I got $10 a fortnight because my wife of 60yo chooses not to sign up for the dole and therefore I’m not classified as a single pensioner.

      When I enquired why, I was told the solution was easy, get your wife to sign up on Newstart, she gets the dole and I’d get the $65 per fortnight as a single pensioner. Now, that’s Rudd logic for you.

    • Julie McNeill says:

      09:43am | 22/04/10

      I find the whole tenor of such an article disgraceful. It is not an easy thing to do to apply for DSP. Are you saying you don’t trust the qualifications of two doctors and the public servants to assess the authenticity of a person’s disability? For a hardly livable income? But you know what your ‘talk back’ provocation does more harm psychologically than you ever care about on your comfortable perch.
      Fortunatley, the Productivity Commission is enquiring into the Disability Supports sector and how the Rudd Govt. is already in the process of enabling people with disabilities(like myself) access to jobs. The biggest problem though is that the mainstream workforce itself is the biggest barrier, because it hates people who require more patience, can’t cope with bullying, or keep up the same pace of hours and activity and there is no flexibility for employers or other workers.

    • Julie Coker-Godson says:

      11:18am | 22/04/10

      Gold response!  Well said and very, very true.  We can do without articles like this.  I remember when the self-righteous were complaining about those on the dole.  Now that those numbers are down they are complaining about those on the DSP.  I suppose that when they get a good percentage of those on DSP thrown off it will be the aged pensioners next.  Where will it all end?  I would much prefer it if the authors of such articles produced actual cases of abuse rather than hiding behind the generalisation assumed based on numbers obtained by FOI.  Those numbers don’t tell you anything about the people (remember them? human beings?) on DSP or their circumstances.  What a cold, compassionless society Australia is becoming.  I am a DSP recipient and these attitudes make me feel like the lowest form of life.  Thanks a lot!...for nothing…

    • 6c legs says:

      03:47pm | 22/04/10

      I think that we’ve got the recent influence (via new technology) of the new breed of Republicans for this latest culture of Pension Bashing in Australia.

      Gawd help any of these Bashers if they ever find themselves in a situation that requires govt help to survive/pay the rent.

    • Andrew says:

      09:57am | 22/04/10

      I know someone who has been leeching off disability pension for years - I can tell you there’s nothing wrong with this guy. Who judges whether these people are disabled? I’m not having a go at people who have genuine disabilities, those poor buggers deserve extra, but there are plenty of undeserving leeches too.

    • Nicki says:

      10:10am | 22/04/10

      Andrew, the problem is people like you.
      You know someone who is leeching the system and you are proud of it.
      If you know about a crime and you don’t report it,you are as guilty as the perpetrator you are protecting.

      Shame on you.

    • James says:

      10:15am | 22/04/10

      This is not a policy accident.  All these people are likely to vote Labor.  KRuddy is in the process of building a client-state.

    • James Darby says:

      11:08am | 22/04/10

      .Kevin Rudd will cause history to record “votebuy” as the hallmark of the plan to prepare Australia for entry into an AsianAustUnion.

      So sadly Tony Abbott’s answer to the DSP Snowball is to claim readiness to restrict dole payments for the under 30’s. Abbott’s motive is really frightening. In order to attempt to claw back lost support from the Liberal Faithfulls and Small Business Owners (Tradies, Farmers, Agents and all self employed) Abbott thinks I will show them “I am not trying to out socialise Rudd.”
      Sad Tony because you have already blown all support away from the people who matter with you hat trick of Socialist Policy
      1/ CCRS Alternative,
      2/ Paid Maternity Leave Plan
      3/ Your U-turn on Rudd’s rotten ‘Unfair Dismissal’ laws.
      You want to get a room with Rudd and stop Small Business owners from shedding unprofitable staff? I only want to abuse you.
      There is no such thing as an “Unfair Dismissal” unless it is a boss sacking a staffer who refused to put out. And that scenario is covered by other Legislation. The Small Business owner’s worst nightmare is to have to face going to their own work place not knowing how to rid themselves of a labor voting mentality mistake employee. Abbott and Rudd would not know. They have never employed someone at their own expense.

      To solve the DSP fiasco is easy if expanding the DSP was not Rudd’s plan

    • KH says:

      10:19am | 22/04/10

      Man a lot of people like to start jumping up and down at the merest possibility that someone might think they are one of those rorting the system.  The article is merely pointing out the significant spike in DSP recipients after the amount went up, and a corresponding drop in unemployment figures.  However, as we all know, statistics are not always that simple.
      What is simple is that there are a lot of people out there who do not want to work, and if they can avoid even the pretence of having to pretend to find work, all the better.  I have known people like this in my lifetime - the old ‘government arts grant’ recipients who spent their days at band practice or in artistic pursuits, and had absolutely no intention whatsoever of getting a job. 
      Equally, there are a number of people who claim to be ‘disabled’ using the fact that there are a number of disabilities that are not so obvious to the casual observer.  Some of these people can even fool doctors - whether its to get prescription medicines or claim a benefit they have no entitlement to.  The spike does appear to be a little odd - in just 6 months nearly a quarter of the whole previous decades additions to the DSP were added, whilst unemployment numbers reduced. 
      No where does the article imply that there aren’t genuine DSP recipients, or that they do not deserve the assistance.

    • Glenda says:

      10:24am | 22/04/10

      I for one am very grateful for my disability pension due to a chronic lung disease requiring a double lung transplant. I can assure you it is no picnic trying to juggle the money that is received from the pension each fortnight to pay rent, bills run a car and buy food. There is definately no funds left over to to have any sort of social life or any other luxury. This was not my choice to be on a pension, I sold my house to enable me to live without being on a pension. That lasted six years, when that ran out I had no other choice but to rely on the pension. I eat reasonably well, good healthy food, but no special treats, my clothing and many household goods all come from op shops. It would be nice to still be able to work and plan holidays, go to the movies or out to dinner with friends. My job that I had before my health problems allowed me to have this style of life. But I have had to adjust my lifestyle to suit my income. I must say that I am very grateful for this pension and believe it is a priviledge not a right as some people believe. I get annoyed when I hear people on the dole call it their “pay” I remind them that pay is for paid work,  and the pension should be classified as a “benefit”. Now regarding disability parking, for 11 years I have had my sticker, even though I was working early on after my diagnosis on the outside I didn’t look “disabled”, I was reasonable younger and received many words of abuse doubting that I had a disability. I was flat out walking 5 metres without having to stop and rest. When I finally had to cart around an oxygen bottle on a trolley people still did not beleive I had the right to have a disability sticker. Might I say to all of these people walk a mile in my shoes and see how you feel, before I was in this position I also would think disabled people had to have a visible disabilty. Do not judge things as you see them. Because some people may be in the same position as myself!

    • Gavin says:

      10:28am | 22/04/10

      can you find out through freedom of information how many of our new arrivals on Xmas Island find themselves on DSP within a few years of comming to the mainland?

    • James1 says:

      12:29pm | 22/04/10

      Pretty much none.  Can you seriously imagine a disabled person making that trip?

    • Lin says:

      04:42pm | 22/04/10

      Oh, you would be surprised James1! All these people will easily get a post-traumatic-stress-disorder or some other non-descriptive ‘illness’ attached to them (see TracyS reply to post no1).
      Yes, Kelvin Bissett, can you please dig out some more data through freedom of information (as long back in time as available), eg:
      1. Number of permanent residency visas given to illegal arrivals who then seek asylum
      2. Number of family members who then joined all the above ‘new residents’
      3. Proportion of all refugees on disability pension
      4. Proportion of all refugees on other welfare benefits for longer than a year
      5. I would also really like to know the total number of all people on unemployment benefits, as well as a breakdown by age group and country of birth (if Australia or NZ, country of birth for parents)
      Statistics is fact, no one can dispute facts!

    • Vicky says:

      06:52pm | 22/04/10

      Lin: I’d be very surprised.
      What do you mean by non-descriptive ‘illness’? Certainly there are very clear desciptors for PTSD, and very real behaviours associated with it. My father has to deal with it, and went from a happy go lucky guy to a stressed, angry man. It was terrible.

      Just because you are not privvy to the pain (physical and psychological) that some people in our community suffer doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. 

      And you’re point about immigrants? I’m sure that if I had witnessed and been through the types of abuses many people come to our country to escape I wouldn’t be in great shape either. Better that my taxes go to them then our Aussie mates in the ACT who can’t do their job without new offices, free drinks and overseas holidays.

    • Paul2 says:

      08:53am | 23/04/10

      Trouble is the message gets back:  “come to Australia, claim PTSD or whatever those suckers call it, and they’ll pay you to live there”.  They watch us pretty carefully out in illegal-land, as we now know.

    • Alex says:

      10:32am | 22/04/10

      Kelvin, thanks for providing some statistics.

      I think a lot of the speculation one way or another could be eliminated with some more numbers and straight up facts - who is receiving these benefits?  In general, where do they live, how old are they, how long have they been on the pension, how often are they assessed medically, what other income do they have, and so on.

      I don’t think most people begrudge pensions for those who are genuinely in need.  But they are rightly concerned at the possibility of widespread waste - if only because it means less assistance to those who really need it.  But until we know more facts there’s not much anyone can say.

      Are aggregate figures like those available?  Do they reveal anything useful?  Can you publish them?  (If not, if Centrelink or others refuse to provide them, that’s important to know too).

    • Dave says:

      10:43am | 22/04/10

      My father in law is on a DSP. Nothng wrong with him other than the fact he’s fucking lazy and thinks after working 16 years in a factory job society now owes him a living for the past decade and a half. His 3rd wife is on a carers pension. She ‘cares’ for her 20 year old son (from a previous marriage). The son is on a DSP pension for some kind of ‘disorder’ even though the only thing wrong with him is a slight speech impediment and the fact he’s a moron who wanted to stay home and play computer games rather than go to Grade 11 and 12. The mother not only allowed this but encouraged it after she found out she could get a ‘carers’ pension for him which would continue paying her after he turned 18 and the Family Allowance and Child Support stopped. The three of them go on regular holdidays around Australia in the near new 4wd and brand new caravan - fully stocked I might add with Plasma TV, 2 generators, aircon, 3 PC’s all with their own mobile broadband. They are currently in the Whitsundays and have been for the past 3 months.

      Nice life isn’t it? While the rest of us are out there working for a living struggling under increasing debt, interest rates, taxes, rates etc etc with each level of government coming up with a new way to extort more money from us every weeek. I tell you, I am sorely tempted to just chuck it all in and say ‘fuck it - why am I bothering’ and join the club.

    • Hamish says:

      02:51pm | 22/04/10

      Dave,

      My uncle has been on a DSP for about 10 years - he hasn’t worked since the early 1990s. His disability is that he doesn’t like the idea of working. He lives with my grandmother, she cooks his meals and pays the bills, leaving my uncle with quite a bit of spending money. She’s a self-funded retiree so she’s still paying taxes.

      It’s been a traditional ploy for governments of both colours to move the long-term unemployed onto the DSP to improve the unemployment rate.

      I’m not saying everyone on the DSP is rorting it, but I’ve seen a lot of anecdotal evidence to suggest a reasonable number are.

    • KH says:

      02:59pm | 22/04/10

      Ah hello? DOB THEM IN - I mean seriously - people this bad deserve the book thrown at them.  And don’t give me any ‘oh, I don’t want to get involved’ crap - you can see its wrong, so do something about it.  They deserve any punishment they get.

    • Gaz says:

      03:02pm | 22/04/10

      If what you say is true Dave, then you should dob them in to Centrelink. It would seem to me to be a very open and shut case. If you don’t dob them in, then you really are almost as bad as they are for not doing some about what amounts to fraud.

    • Dave says:

      04:16pm | 22/04/10

      I’d love to dob them in…unfortunatley I sleep next to my missus everynight and I’d love to be able to wake up the next morning wink

      The sad thing is, most of us know people just like this. Wether its rorting the DSP, rorting Newstart/Whatever the Dole is now called, rorting Single Mothers pensions etc. Its just far to easy to ‘game the system’ and get away with it. And stupidly enough, the ones most disadvantaged are the ones who have actual genuine issues! People with genuine disabilities that would give anything to be able to participate in the workforce. Carers who would love to be able to get back to work etc

      There is just obviously not enough done to determine who is eligible and who isn’t or any real actual long term management of these cases. It must be cheaper to just loose the money than to actually fix the system and police it properly.

    • Roja says:

      10:50am | 22/04/10

      Kelvin Bissett is indeed an investigations editor for channel nine… if I am not mistaken primarily for a current affair.  This article is classic ACA - one sided, misrepresented and appalling.  Look at the numbers, he claims around 40,000 ‘jumped on’ after the changes, to make the total 750,000.  Is he saying every one of these new customers was ‘a bludger’, personally I’m surprised he didn’t invoke an image of the Paxtons.  What about the majority who are terminal cancer patients, down syndrome adults, blind, mentally ill, quadraplegics and the many other other unfortunate Australians who didn’t choose this path (you know, the little Aussie battlers Bissett will be expoiting next week) - is he saying this country should keep them even further under the poverty line because of the actions of what is only a few.  The qualifications for this payment are strict (but corrupt doctors are readily available), recipients have a more open income test than newstart and they have access to the job network if they are capable of working.  I cannot stand the villification of many for the actions of a few, but if it gets the rest of you through the day to do exactly that well then that is your perogative.

    • Alex says:

      11:38am | 22/04/10

      Rojo, the point is that we don’t know how many actually need the DSP, and how few get it undeservedly.  Remember, every dollar that is wasted is a dollar less for those who really do deserve it.

      Kelvin may well be exaggerating the amount of fraud.  But you’re just as likely to be understating it.  More numbers and more facts are needed.  At least Kelvin went to the trouble of finding and publishing some figures.

      Here are some: the average earner pays about $2800 in tax every year to fund social security; about $300 of that goes to the DSP.  I think that gives us the right to ask where it goes, and if it’s actually benefiting the people who need it.

      (My source: http://www.taxcheck.com.au/result/earnings/50000/ - $50k is about the average yearly wage for all employees including part timers).

    • Bob smith says:

      08:21pm | 16/02/11

      I agree only a smaller proportion are so called faking it while the rules for qualification is a lot stricter as well.

    • Scott Glennon says:

      11:05am | 22/04/10

      $65 a fortnight!? Thats like 3 Family Feasts and 3 pove cones! I can feel a case of agoraphobia coming on!

    • kim penrose says:

      11:10am | 22/04/10

      I say get what you can, god knows the government take enough of us, like rego, parking fines, stupid bank fees like being charged $40 if you don’t have the money for a direct debit to name just a few. Go for it and take what you can get !

    • Scott Glennon says:

      11:24am | 22/04/10

      @kim penrose,

      Those pesky government bank fees! But you know, with the pay increase we can all afford to overdraw our accounts 3 times a month!
      In fact kim, the pay increase was likely to cover everyone’s overdraw fees and parking fines, god Kev’s a nice bloke ae..

    • acker says:

      02:47pm | 22/04/10

      @kim penrose ...that would be the state government (taking the rego) local government (taking the parking fine) and no govenment taking your bank fee…The only thing I think we should ask back is the tax money wasted trying to educate you.

    • kim penrose says:

      11:15am | 22/04/10

      To Nicki, are u perfect ?
      How do we really know how much these people suffer, Some days might be better than others.

    • Andrew Bolt says:

      11:37am | 22/04/10

      Obviously Kelvin just spinning this bile to make a quick buck. Pathetic really.

    • AdamC says:

      11:37am | 22/04/10

      The DSP is a disaster. But reducing the gap between Newstart and the DSP payment would be only partially effective in reducing the attractiveness of the DSP because DSP recipients would still be free from the time-costly Newstart compliance obligations. In addition, increasing Newstart would make ‘dole-bludging’ more attractive to the marginally employed.

      Maybe special inducements and incentives to get the de-motivated DSPers into some kind of paid work would help. That, and a toughening-up of eligibility criteria, may also reduce numbers. It is, of course, important to give people a way out of welfare. ‘Benefits’ don’t benefit anyone who stays on them for an extended period of time.

    • leonora says:

      11:43am | 22/04/10

      Most welfare recipients are people who should be getting assistance, in fact more than they are getting. But the number of rorters and bludgers in the system means that there is less to go around for the genuine cases.

      It’s strange that NGO spokespeople haven’t realised this fact. The welfre industry is the biggest and fastest growing sector in Australia, and it seems that welfare advocates have never met a taxpayer dollar that they didn’t like and want to see more of.

      If they were to say that the shonks attracted to the money pot should be weeded out, instead of saying that everyone should qualify regardless, there would be a much higher level of support for welfare because people would know their money was going only to those who need it.

    • James1 says:

      12:34pm | 22/04/10

      One of the problems associated with disability pension that is rarely if ever mentioned is that many of those receiving it would love to work, but sadly are not able to get a job.  Employers will often overlook those with chronic injuries who are still able to work, due to the expense it adds to their liability insurance.  Thus, many people are unwillingly forced into poverty.

    • Cat says:

      12:40pm | 22/04/10

      I am fed up with those who get the DSP for a range of conditions that do not prevent work - and with those who refuse to employ them.
      I am on the DSP and, in order to ‘earn it’, I work from home in a voluntary capacity. I would love to be paid for what I do - instead of that I find the money to run an internet connection so that I can help others. Despite that I have been told “you have never done a day’s work in your life” and that I am a ‘bludger’.  I made more than 3000 job applications and I have three university degrees but the government deemed me to be ‘unemployable’ - but the Public Service is still more than happy to seek my (unpaid) advice, indeed they demand it. 
      Next time there is a major humanitarian emergency I will be working flat out supporting those out in the field - and that is more than most of you will be doing but you will get paid and I won’t.  I have no qualms about holding my hand out once a fortnight.

    • Robert Smissen says:

      11:27pm | 22/04/10

      Sorry Cat, I am on DSP, yet I work part time with disadvantaged youth, helping them get an education & re-engage with mainstream education. It isn’t terribly well paid, but it gives me something to do when I’m not out “rorting” the system.

    • Martin says:

      01:09pm | 22/04/10

      What a piece of sensationalist nonsense. A two per cent increase in DSP claimants over six months is hardly a surge.
      If we look at percentages rather than ‘big scary’ numbers, 6 out of every 100 Australian workers receive DSP, hardly a massive amount.
      The increase that may have been caused by the increase in the DSP is equal to less than one third of one per cent of the Australian labour force.
      That the author is a journalist for a major news organisation, says more about the quality of Australian journalism than anything else.

    • Alex says:

      03:04pm | 22/04/10

      A 6% incidence of disability sounds like a massive amount to me.  So does a 4% annual growth rate.

    • Hamish says:

      04:53pm | 22/04/10

      Totally agree Alex…6% is hardly small.

    • John Davidson says:

      02:00pm | 22/04/10

      Part of the problem is that jobs that used to be suitable for people with mild disabilities have been folded into multi-skilled jobs that are no longer suitable as part of productivity changes.
      For example, a productivity agreement reached in the coal industry in 1992 added “general duties”  (manual labor) to a range of jobs that had previously been suitable for people with suspect backs - so all of a sudden my mobile equipment operator was unable to do his full range of duties.
      The problem is also not helped by compensation laws.  If you hire someone with a record of back injuries and that person has a back injury while working for you this makes no difference to the way the compensation system treats the employer.
      We need to look beyond differences in pension rate and poverty traps to make it easier for disabled people who want to work to be acceptable employees.

    • S.L says:

      05:06pm | 22/04/10

      In 1983 I recieved a permanant disability in a motorcycle accident aged 20.
      Although I had only been working for my employer for 6 months in a factory he offered me a position in the factory office pushing paper when I was able to return so I happily accepted and after 6 months of non paid leave I was back on deck with not 1 cent of disability benefits asked for or being recieved. I stayed at that firm for 5 more years before leaving on good terms and starting a small business with my father. Nothing special just basically buying ourselves a job! 22 years later dad’s retired and I’ve expanded the business and we are both more comfortable than when we started up. In saying that we aren’t rich but we have an asset that is earning a reasonable return.
      What I’m trying to say is if some employers had the forsight of my old boss I bet alot of workers wouldn’t dream of compo of any form if they had a chance to restart their life.  I owe a lot to that man!

    • Sandra says:

      06:48pm | 22/04/10

      There was a certain meanness in the observation that “not all on the DSP are wheelchair bound, blind, terminally ill or intellectually impaired”.  The assumption seemed to be that these ought to be the only qualifications to receive a DSP.  My sister has been in supported accommodation since she we 50 years old.  She has hypopituitarism (resulting in bladder problems, thyroid problems, overweight and therefore musculo-skeletal problems), epilepsy, type 2 diabetes, and respiratory problems.  It’s so easy to be cruel, isn’t it?

    • Kate says:

      08:10pm | 22/04/10

      I agree, but I was quite offended by the implication that mental illness isn’t ‘disabling’ enough to make it legitimate.
      Some people with mental illnesses can work. Others can’t even leave the house. None of them would actually want to be on disability pensions.

    • L of Melb says:

      07:37pm | 22/04/10

      It’s so fun to kick those who are down, why hold back on the disabled? *sarcasm*

      Kelvin Bisset, you are welcome to trade the glorious luxury of my life on the DSP for yours. I happen to have a disability that cannot be ‘seen’ from the outside, so presumably I am rorting the system, despite what my team of doctors say. I would joyfully trade the DSP (for which I am VERY grateful) to live as a normal human being. Where are you getting the impression that permanent incapacitating disability is a fun happy day out at the zoo?

      Over 20% of Australians suffer a disability - I’d suggest you apologise to us all right now.

    • Alex says:

      12:19pm | 23/04/10

      Over 20% of the population is disabled?!

      What, in the name of humanity, is causing such disabling injuries, and why aren’t we doing more to stop it?

    • Sally says:

      08:22pm | 22/04/10

      Sounds to me like it is the government moving long term unemployed people on to the DSP from Newstart to keep the unemployment numbers down.  This would be happening at the interface between the Job Services Australia providers and the job seeker.  I have been closely watching unemployment numbers and the long term numbers have not been increasing to the extent one would expect.  Moves to transfer them to DSP would explain this.  Anyway, get used to increasing numbers on DSP and Newstart because the sad fact is that there are insufficient jobs to go around and our population is growing and ageing.

    • Robert Smissen says:

      11:29pm | 22/04/10

      Careful Kelvin you might end up on DSP after you jump to one too many conclusion.

    • Peter says:

      08:22am | 23/04/10

      Kevin are you suggesting 10,000s of doctors are involved in this conspiracy too?

    • Russ says:

      11:43am | 24/04/10

      Well Peter we shouldn’t neglect the economic relationship between the medical and welfare industries.

    • Helen says:

      09:33am | 23/04/10

      Sally, you’ve hit the nail on the head.
      http://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/bbing/stories/s549887.htm
      Governments ARE using the disability pension to hide unemployment and make themselves look good.
      Then people on internet forums and talkback blame the people on the pension rather than Governments, who are now looking good. Result!

    • Brett L says:

      03:04pm | 23/04/10

      When you have a society of people where 80% are struggling financially, and they see the waste of money from the Government on things like the insulation fiasco, school building rorts, higher fees for power, gas and water, stupid daily decisions by councils and other bureaucrats: I think people just give up and try to find an easy option to live life. I’m in small business and by the time I pay GST, the bank, and all the other fees and charges on me, I may as well claim compo for $300.00 a week as well.

    • L of Melb says:

      11:13pm | 24/04/10

      Please people, have some compassion and stop thinking of being disabled as an easy option. Since when did we as a society lose the ability to say ‘there but for the grace of God go I’?

      The application process for DSP is not a cakewalk, nor easily ‘faked’. I cannot accept that doctors would risk their careers and reputations to falsify medical reports (legal documents) on behalf of malingering claimants who are simply lazy.

    • John A Neve says:

      10:55am | 25/04/10

      L of Melb,
      Let me reverse the question; do you believe all those in receipt of the DSP deserve it?

      There are, in my view, many worthy recipients of DSP, but there are in my view many who a bludging off the system.

    • cm76 says:

      06:06pm | 27/06/10

      Does anyone think that maybe the piddley amount of money that most receive on benefits are possibly why others may want to rort the system? Whether it right or wrong it’s probably a fact, which is what I reckon this article begins with discussing.  Do I agree with rorting absolutely not, I can just see why some would take measures to do so.

      As for the latest surge in disability claims, why would the government admit any responsibility and by this I mean, why would they answer such a question when clearly those from hard working and wealthy families along with the Opposition government would be so quick to pounce on it and receive a lot of political backlashing for. 

      However, I’m actually sit on the side of the fence that supports a rise in disability payments, as I have a personal interest in it all. My father sustained an injury at work almost 20 years ago and I can honestly say he has never been the same.  He might not be wheelchair bound, but he is definitely disabled and not able to do half of what he used to be able to do.  I’ve watched a man become a mere shell of himself both in the physical and emotional sense.

      My father has also in the past 20 years continued to be scrutinized whilst looking for work to only be told there was nothing out there at that point in time that he would be suited to. I’m sure that if he had a choice then he would have given up his back injury and disability support to work for a wage more than 3 times what he gets on the disability pension get, so for him this is definitely not a choice.

      As for the comment about psychological complaints, do you think that this person even has a clue what it’s like for those who do?  My stepfather who I also have the utmost respect for is a Vietnam Veteran who has one of these so called psychological complaints which is actually called PTSD or post traumatic stress disorder for anyone who doesn’t know.  He fought for this country and continues to suffer day in and day with unimaginable nightmares along with constant stress and anxiety.  He too receives a pension because he was no longer able to work after the nightmares got so bad he refused to sleep.

      I also have a child with one of these so called psychological complaints, well it’s actually called Aspergers Syndrome and to see how cut throat the world out there can be it frightens me that she too will most likely go on benefits because she struggles so much with the simple things like socializing. 

      At the end of the day there are always going to be critics who spin their views without giving a rats about those who are actually affected by these situations they have a story to tell and people who will listen.

 

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