Tony Abbott’s left-wing instincts are destroying the economic credibility of the Liberal Party.

Woohoo for welfare

Although he’s an effective opposition leader, it’s important to ask what sort of economic agenda Abbott will pursue as Prime Minister, apart from repealing the carbon and mining taxes. It’s becoming increasingly clear that it won’t be liberal.

To the extent it’s possible to decipher Abbott’s economic philosophy - his book Battlelines and the Budget Reply speech certainly provide little assistance - it would be democratic socialism. It’s a political ideology that sees the government playing a major role in the economy and is a far cry from the free-market liberalism normally associated with the Liberal Party.

Four economic policy issues - middle class welfare, climate change, maternity leave and industrial relations - show an opposition leader far more social democrat than economic liberal.

The most odious example is Abbott’s extraordinary defence of middle class welfare. Labor’s inspired decision to freeze indexation of welfare at $150,000 per family in this months budget elicited an extraordinary rebuke from the opposition leader.

Abbott described them as “class war cuts” and accused the government of declaring war on “aspirational” Australia. But the only war is against those who aspire to live beyond their means, and anyway, freezing indexation at $150,000 is not so much a war as a pillow fight.

The opposition are boxed into extending welfare for those who can comfortably fend for themselves. The “cost of living” pressures these families face is whether they can afford a second new car or have to slum it with a perfectly functional second-hand one - not whether they can put food on the table. It might be good politics to prop up the upper middle-class with welfare but it’s absurd economics.

The Liberal Party have replaced Labor as Australia’s champion of welfare and if John Hewson or Jeff Kennett were in a grave, they would surely be rolling in it.

The ideological depravity of Tony Abbott is also evident in his approach to climate change. Labor and the Liberals are equally committed to tackling climate change through a five per cent reduction of Australia’s 2000 carbon dioxide emissions by 2020. The only difference is one of method. Labor will introduce a market-based mechanism, and the opposition government-funded direct action initiatives.

It’s not surprising that Abbott would choose costly government programs over a market-based mechanism to reduce carbon emissions - it’s what a true social democrat would do.

The only other explanation is that direct action is a front for inaction. If Abbott is dubious about the scientific consensus behind climate change or the long-term economic wisdom of cutting Australia’s carbon emissions, he should have the courage of his convictions and junk the five per cent target. Otherwise, the only conclusion is that he has an ideological preference for unwieldy government programs over the market.

Tony Abbott took a maternity leave plan to the last election that slugged big business with a new tax to fund wildly generous payments to new mothers. Not only was it pure economic vandalism, it was enthusiastically embraced by the Greens - which is the kiss of death for any economic policy.

Abbott also ruled out any industrial relations reform during the 2010 campaign. The charitable explanation is that Abbott didn’t have the backbone to fight for a politically challenging policy that he privately believed in. You can’t govern from the opposition benches, or something like that.

The alternative conclusion is that he has lost his passion for industrial relations reform and has little sympathy for John Howard’s job-creating Work Choices. The Labor Party’s Fair Work Act is re-regulation gone mad but embracing it when in government is perfectly consistent with Abbott’s social democratic ideology.

But it’s not all doom and gloom for the Young Liberals flummoxed by the leader’s economic heresy. A rare positive opposition initiative is its vow to cut public servants in Canberra. There’s nothing wrong with starving a beast that has delivered us malfunctioning pink batts, overpriced school halls, an education revolution in name only and free electronics for the old and unwell. Maybe if government departments had fewer resources, an Abbott government would be less inclined to use them so ridiculously.

Unfortunately, Tony Abbott will not have a competent team to rein in his interventionist urges. John Howard was a profligate spender as Prime Minister. Real spending increased by 3.3% per year between 2000 and 2007, which is significantly more than Labor governments before and after. Spending would have been even higher if it wasn’t for the Scrooge McDuck of the Coalition party room, former Treasurer Peter Costello, one of the few spendthrifts in the Howard government.

If Peter Costello were Black Caviar, Joe Hockey is a portly little pony. It’s not as though Hockey has much to live up to, as Wayne Swan has been a truly awful Treasurer. However, the shadow Treasurer has been so ineffectual that he makes Swan look good - a miracle beyond even Jesus. Hockey would be no obstacle to a free-spending Abbott.

Tony Abbott has political skill and his relentlessly negative approach to opposition has been a brilliant success. If politics were a game, he is a winner. But popularity in politics isn’t an end in itself and the ideological Abbott is destroying his party’s credibility.

It should be obvious to Abbott that the Liberal Party is at its best when it pursues economic growth through liberal economic policies - and that this strategy, by and large, defined the successful Howard-era. Unlike the Labor Party, it’s not supposed to have an ideological identity crisis.

But the Liberal Party now have a leader whose basic economic instincts are the antithesis of all that was good about it.

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    • Ripa says:

      06:13am | 06/06/11

      Oh god, the drivel and crap in this post is laughable, TA this and TA that, i think he is this and i think he is that, while all the time we have a PM who is a liar who is arrogant who has doubled the cost of living. Direct action is a front for inaction? L M A O, compared to the “tax on carbon” ? the compensation? I just love how you bait and switch, howard was good, but TA no way. What a two faced sneaky manipulative post.

    • TChong says:

      06:56am | 06/06/11

      good one ripa- diss the author for their POV, fair enough, then do the exact same thing yourself.
      “TA this, TA that” yeah, thats correct, the article is about TA, just the same as myriad articles are posted about JG and the ALP.
      The glass jaw / hypocrasy of so many LNP supporters- dare criticise 1Vote Tony , and the tanties start.

    • Rose says:

      06:59am | 06/06/11

      Yep, that’s Labor and their supporters for you. Im no fan of the Liberals but one thing ive noticed on the Punch is Labor supporters attacking Tony left right and centre, but their hypocrisy shows when they ignore the fact the Labor PM is a lying, two-faced traitor who chances her views more than a baby with a poo-stained arse gets its nappy changed.

    • acotrel says:

      07:22am | 06/06/11

      TA has never had an original thought in his life! Most of his ideology is copied from Mr B.A.Santamaria’s idiocy.

    • Unionist says:

      07:23am | 06/06/11

      Ripa says:06:13am; Who is the biggest drivelier then…. You! Bahahahahaha…. You snivelling liberal types need to get a proper arguement… need a tissue?

    • persephone says:

      07:41am | 06/06/11

      Ripa

      so you counter it with statements which are simply untrue?

      The cost of living hasn’t doubled, and the evidence is that you’re better off now than you were under Howard.

      And yes, Direct Action is inaction. It’s meant to be. But it’s inaction that costs far more than the alternative.

      Apart from that, it’s obvious that you’re struggling to defend TA, other than just saying that the article is wrong because you want to believe it is.

    • Matt says:

      08:09am | 06/06/11

      Roll out the persepaganda! 3 - 2 - 1 - GO!

    • acotrel says:

      08:26am | 06/06/11

      @Rose About ‘Juliar’.  I’m glad you’ve found a way to divert attention from Tony Abbott’s devious nature.  There are three video clips on Youtube which document him intentionally telling direct lies!  It it really reasonable to pillory ‘Juliar’ on the basis that she didn’t keep an election promise?  Do you really expect her to consider every contingency before she speaks?  She’s obviously a bad girl - she didn’t anticpate a hung parliament where she couldn’t lead fulfilling every promise! However ALP policy on climate change has never been a nystery!
      I now look forward to more desperate hysteria from you!

    • Tom says:

      08:58am | 06/06/11

      No Ripa, this article confirms what many have been suspecting. Tony Abbott is a closet commo.

      If TChong, acetrol and Persephone don’t like what you said, then, by definition, you must be wrong.

    • Rose says:

      09:23am | 06/06/11

      @acotrel

      Hysteria? rofl sorry to break it to you, but I actually agree that Tony is devious and a liar, but it doesnt change the fact we currently have a PM who stabbed the f*** out of her colleague to get the top job and has bullshitted to us ever since.

    • No 1 Rosie says:

      10:26am | 06/06/11

      Ripper Ripa!

      Don’t you just love it when Gillard apologists come out in defense of their hero, the lying Gillard. They keep pushing, pushing and pushing while refusing to listen to those that matter the most - the people of Australia. 64% of Australians want an early election because they want a mandate for a carbon tax. They want their democratic right to say ‘yes’ or ‘no’ to a carbon tax. Tony Abbott wants to give the people that choice but gets called all sorts of unimaginable things and is supposedly hiding, according to the author, some kind of dirty economic secret. Please give us a break!

    • Aitch B says:

      12:11pm | 06/06/11

      ‘Unionist’ used the expression ‘sniveling liberal types’.

      Looks like our good friend Rob Charteris might be back in town! smile

    • AAAdam says:

      12:35pm | 06/06/11

      “the evidence is that you’re better off now than you were under Howard”.

      But let’s not mislead people or let them incorrectly assume this is because Labor is doing a good job. The latest NATSEM figures seem to show we are better off, however, it certainly isn’t thanks to Labor, it is thanks to Howard/Costello proposing and funding all the recent tax cuts we’ve had. A less misleading statement would be “the evidence is that you’re better off now than you were under Howard, however, it is no thanks to Labor’s horrible economic management. It is thanks to the work done by the Howard government, however, if we don’t stop Labor now, the damage Labor is doing will begin making everyone worse off”.

    • Bobster says:

      12:53pm | 06/06/11

      No one said anything about Gillard - the point is your spiritual leader, the leader of the Liberal Party, the champion of the free market economy, is carrying on like a bloody Bolshevik.

      Big government, big taxes, direct government intervention on social policy - Lenin couldn’t do it better himself.

    • Bobster says:

      01:13pm | 06/06/11

      @ Rose

      “two-faced traitor who chances her views more than a baby with a poo-stained arse gets its nappy changed. “

      Wouldn’t the poo-stained arse suggest the baby seldom has it’s nappy changed?

    • Craig says:

      01:36pm | 06/06/11

      Brendan, the hysterical reaction from the Tony cheersquad shows that you’ve hit the nail (not to mention a few raw nerves) on the head!  I mean, it’s fine to subject JG to all sorts of scrutiny, but they’re just too precious to take a good hard look at Tony Abbott and what he stands for.

    • jeffb says:

      01:46pm | 06/06/11

      Here here Ripa! Lets give Tony the opportunity to answer some questions for himself!

      If you want some real insight into the man this interview pretty much sums it all up. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckcH0Wrmy74

    • Bruce says:

      03:18pm | 06/06/11

      Ripa: This is a “two bob” each way article with slight labor envey !

    • Lawrie says:

      07:50pm | 06/06/11

      Rose sums up the hatred that, I hope, a small sub section of the liberal faithfull seem to have. She seems to be oblivious of the irony of her rant that Mr Abbott gets bagged a lot and then begins to foul mouth the Prime Minister.  She seems to sum up the level of political debate these days as why debate the issues when it is so much easier to just call people nasty names. Takes me back to when my son was a 5 year old and would be funny if it wasn’t such a important failing of the democractic process. I adn’t thought of Mr Abbott that way until reading the article however I must admit I have difficulty believing it.

    • mel says:

      08:53pm | 06/06/11

      @Lawrie   That’s not what irony is -  irony is something unexpected. 

      The media persist in ignoring Gillard’s deceit.  Rose is right.

    • Christian Real says:

      10:06pm | 06/06/11

      Ripa
      The only crap and drivel is coming from you, one would guess that you can’t handle the truth about Tony Abbott that Brendan Brown has written.

    • jim3 says:

      06:21am | 07/06/11

      Abbott is a wanker and all that follow him.

    • Christian Real says:

      06:52am | 07/06/11

      Rose
      Maybe it is Tony Abbott who shit his nappy when he lost the last Federal election,he sure spat the dummy and hasn’t been able to find where it is.
      Perhaps, you and loulou can offer to change his soiled nappies?
      Rose, and perhaps also , that you and other Liberal sympathisers can all chip in and buy ‘baby Abbott’ some more dummies?, trouble is he keeps spitting them out.

    • Mark W says:

      07:02am | 07/06/11

      Middle class welfare should be written as Supporting Working Families, something that Labor has forgotten and will pay for at the next election. We pay most of the tax, we pay for the Grand Green Schemes, and we pay for the governments mismanagement of the economy, why shouldn’t we get a little back?

    • DC says:

      01:32pm | 07/06/11

      @Rose:  The Punch also goes after Gillard (as it should), but you get a little upset when they have an article about Tony Abbott?

      Why?

      As the leader of the Opposition, he needs to have the focus on him as well.

      Your statement:  “...but their hypocrisy shows when they ignore the fact the Labor PM is a lying, two-faced traitor who chances her views more than a baby with a poo-stained arse gets its nappy changed. ” shows your hypocrisy.

      Well, the truth is that we all know that Tony Abbott is a liar and there is plenty of proof available that confirms this.

      As for changes of view, even people within the Liberal Party refer to Tony Abbott as the “weather vane” for good reason.

      Everyone knows that Tony Abbott is a populist - he stands for nothing except that which will get him votes.

      The only people that refuse to admit that are the “rusted on” Liberal voters who know it, but can’t bring themselves to question their own “leader”.

      But as per usual, the Liberal supporters will attack anyone who questions them, their beliefs, or their political leaders.

      And yet, they feel they have the right to question others about their beliefs, and politics.

      Hmmmm.

    • Gregg says:

      06:25am | 06/06/11

      There are some other explanations to what you believe Brendan and taking up a few of your pertinent facts:
      . Abbott sees parental leave payments as payment of someone on leave and not another allowance, the number of people at even $100,000 and above let alone $150,000 likely to be welfare recipients being I expect rather infitessimal and those people having also paid much higher personal taxes.
      . You need to examine the Carbon Tax concepts with a far greater analytical eye for on one hand for:
      Labor have a proposed tax that on all accounts will start low and keep increasing, close businesses, drop employment and peoples abilities to pay for standard basic services, compensation being tied into taxation likely to leave many non income people slipping through the cracks and as carbon contributing entities wind down, so will the source of the tax for compensation.
      So the taxpayer will ultimately pay.
      I am surprised that as an economist you’ve not looked that far ahead.
      The Mining industry is a huge consumer of fuels and power and so along with the Super Profits Tax, a few years down the track will also see Australia at a disadvantage to countries without those taxes when the international market is considering new developments.

      Liberal policy includes minimising carbon in the atmosphere through assisting nature, sure a cost involved but people will keep employment and there will be employment and a better environment created through a greening of Australia approach, something Labor are getting on board with.

      There is by the way no dubosity on the questioning of Climate Change science for whilst many appreciate the climate is continually changing on all manner of cycles, what is not known and has only been modelled is the impact re global warming.
      More than that, compared to the next Ice Age, if global warming can hold of the severity of that, some warmth may in fact be desirable.
      A greening Australia program as Joe Hockey has said is a program that has far greater management flexibility.

      . As for John Howards prolifigate spending, you may recall that Labor left an enormous deficit to contend with in 1996 and so some stern econpomic management was initially needed to haul that in and that done, is it not better to budget for the revenue you have rather than blow your budget as Labor governmnts repeatedly do and which cannot be forever sustained.
      It is another cycle that needs to be repeated, and though Gillard and Swan may have seen some writing on the wall re that approach, as an economist I’m sure that you would not agree with violent lurching between deficits and surpluses or lets say ideas of them at this stage.

      Measuring Joe Hockey on economic credentials is a bit absurd for all shadow treasurers will never have the full resources of Treasurey and other ministerial staff at hand as a government does and it will be the whole realm of government policies that will provide shaping of economics and a lot of those policies will in fact require significant belt tightening just as always occurs following a Labor government in power.

      I suggest you may want to do more in depth research and you may come up with the answer of if you do not have the revenue, it is not always a great idea to borrow more for the credit card.

    • persephone says:

      07:10am | 06/06/11

      Gregg

      if parental leave should be part of an employee’s employment package, TA’s policy should be to legislate that, rather than to get some businesses to underwrite the expenses of their competitors.

      But he wouldn’t do that, because he doesn’t have the courage to stare down small business.

      And Labor’s carbon price will do very few, and maybe none, of the things you state. The money used by pricing carbon will be used in many ways to avoid the dangers you mention.

      I don’t understand why you think the taxpayer will ultimately pay. Certainly they will under Abbott’s scheme, as his will not meet the targets he agrees must be met and this will, in the long run, mean that the Australian taxpayer would have to purchase offsets from overseas to achieve his goals.

      There is no evidence from their present reports or their forward projections that the mining industry sees either tax as a real threat to their operations. There’s no evidence that the stockmarket does, either.

      Of course they’re going to try and get away without paying anything if they can. All businesses do.

      How increasing temperatures in a country which is prone to drought and is already one of the driest of the continents is a benefit is beyond me, and would baffle most agricultural experts as well.

      And justifying Howard’s profligate spending by saying he was left with debts to repay is simply weird.

      As for Joe Hockey, I’ve heard Liberal frontbenchers telling constituents he’s not up to the job.

      It’s obvious from this rant that Gregg is so desperate and one eyed that he’ll go to any lengths to avoid admitting fault in the Opposition (insert irony symbol here!!)

    • Unionist says:

      07:26am | 06/06/11

      Gregg says:06:25am; you believe in imaginary friends too eh’

    • acotrel says:

      08:44am | 06/06/11

      @Persephone   Perhaps paid parental leave would become one of the negotiables in the next version of WorkChoices?

    • BL says:

      06:38am | 06/06/11

      Since when are Labor left-wing? That may of been the case 10 years ago but Labor have gone so far right they may as well just join forces with the Liberals because not many people can tell the difference between the two parties anymore. If Abbott is just like Labor, then he’s pretty much the same old Liberal he always was.

    • jb says:

      06:50am | 06/06/11

      Omg Brendan reading that was like watching someone play tennis against themselves then giving the final ace to win the game to the team they wanted to win in the first place.
      The opposition is the opposition, they don’t have to give your girl juliar the Mugger policies to thieve from them, Abbott is playing perfect politics and you guys are crapping yourselves you tried so hard not to slam the Libs to sway swinging voters but I dare say they can see through your wool just like they can see through labors buddy. How you can stand up for the way they are attempting to run this country is disgraceful, how you can endorse the lies is dispicable and to think that you are a journalist and have more information at hand than most of Australia is just an slam on your craft.
      You are not a journalist you are an opinonist, what ever happened to the good old days of journos being bipartisan?

    • Bobster says:

      01:42pm | 06/06/11

      Couple of issues:
      1. Brendan doesn’t claim to be a journalist.
      2. This is an opinion site.
      3. Journalists were never bipartisan - nor should they be. They are supposed to be either objective or impartial but the jury is still out on which.
      4. Just because you dislike Labor does not mean anyone who slams the opposition is automatically biased.
      5. See four preceding points and then re-examine your views on bias in the press and the influence of your own personal bias on said views.
      6. Provide me with a 1000 word essay on the relationship between personal bias and perceived bias by 5pm today. Ensure it displays better punctuation and grammar than your previous effort. Minus five marks for each use of the pathetic “Juliar” or any sentence that suggests you haven’t read the course material.

    • Dash says:

      07:08am | 06/06/11

      We have a government that is undertaking the biggest fraud in Australian political history, and you’re having a go at Abbott??? WTF?

      Perhaps you, Get Up, the unions and other lefty rent a crowds should save the propaganda for the next election. The latest polling suggests you’re going to need all the help you can get. Australians don’t need or want Gillards socialist exercise in wealth redistribution! And they don’t need and shouldn’t be expected to fund, her or the ALPs lies.

    • Steve M says:

      10:57am | 06/06/11

      the fact we have a dud PM doesnt excuse the point that TA is a deceitful little worm.

    • Mattb says:

      11:20am | 06/06/11

      Dash
      It could also be said that Tony abbotts ‘direct action plan’ is an exercise in corporate walfare ‘wealth redistribution’. Take money from the people (taxes) and give it to the biggest polluters in the country and hope they’ll do something environmentally friendly with it!.

      Do Australian’s need TA’s exercise in wealth redistribution dash? Or is it just like Howard’s middle class welfare ‘wealth redistribution’ exercise. OK in your eyes cause its a liberal party idea….

    • Dash says:

      12:15pm | 06/06/11

      @Mattb, Howard balanced the budget, paid off $96billion in ALP debt and gave something back to the people paying all the tax!!! A bit bloody different from what the ALP are doing!

      Howard also took the GST to an election. He didn’t lie that he wouldn’t introduce it 6 days out from the election! A bit bloody different from what Gillard and Swan did!

      The direct action plan is not the introduction of a tax on Middle and High Income Australia hiding behind the environment as an excuse! The carbon tax is nothing more than an exercise in revenue raising at the expense of the people already paying the lions share of tax in this country. It is a socialist exercise in wealth redistribution. Punish the wealth creators and reward the wealth destroyers in our economy. It’s socialism gone mad. And it’s being brought in on the back of a deceitful lie!

      When the ALP manage to balance a budget (any budget) and pay off all of their debt, look me up. I don’t expect I’ll hear from you any time soon.

    • Mattb says:

      01:46pm | 06/06/11

      Dash, 

      Paid off the debt I hear you say, not hard when you sell off everything bar the kitchen sink, provide zero in the way of investment in infrastructure and become the highest taxing government in Australian history. But yippie, Howard, costello and the libs paid off the debt!!!

      Still, I didn’t ask you for your version of events from the Howard/Costello years. I was asking you-

      “do Australian’s need TA’s exercise in wealth redistribution dash?”.  

      To which you replied- 

      “The direct action plan is not the introduction of a tax on Middle and High Income Australia hiding behind the environment as an excuse”

      Dash, um, nor is putting a pricing on carbon or “carbon tax” as you like to call it

      So you can’t really call that an answer can you?, then you simply went on rambling about the carbon tax and it being a ‘socialist exercise in wealth redistribution’ for about the 1000th time on punch.

    • Dash says:

      05:42pm | 06/06/11

      @Mattb - Happy to agree to disagree Matt.

      What did your ALP state government do for state roads, state transport, state schools, state hospitals with 100% of the GST Matt??? What was that you were saying about infrustructure?

      The LNP built the Darwin to Adelaide railway and the ALP can’t even build one between Epping and Parrammatta - lol Infrustructure!

      The science tells us that the carbon tax will not reduce average global temperatures by a single degree! The coal we sell to China will damage the environment greater than any benefit real of perceived from the tax. Therefore, the ALP are not about the environment. It is nothing more than a tax on Middle and High income Australia! For the 1001st time - that’s all it is. The ALP need revenue because they can’t manage our finances and they’ve done a deal with the Greens, the details of which have never been made public. Dodgy as!

      Oh and it is all being done on the back of a deceitful lie on the eve of last election. Feel free to support that behaviour as much as you like Mattb.

      As I said, when the ALP manage to pay off the debt they have racked up in record time and or manage to ever balance a budget, look me up!

    • iansand says:

      07:25am | 06/06/11

      This will be fun.  We will see how many of the Coalition supporters her are true free market capitalists, and who are mere party fanboys.

    • Brad says:

      09:52am | 06/06/11

      I wondered the same thing! Let’s face it, there aren’t many free-marketeers left in the coalition. They’re all big-government conservatives. I think my favourite bit will be when the fanboys start defending TA’s paid parental leave.

    • Bobster says:

      12:44pm | 06/06/11

      None of them would know free-market capitalism if it staged a hostile takeover of their fish and chip shops.

      If they had any idea about what their capitalist ideals actually entailed they’d have long ago worked out how many planks we’ve already nailed down in Australia and how many more Tony wants to lay down.

      The fact that none of them seem to have worked out that Tony is out there essentially spruiking socialism has me pissing myself laughing everytime I visit the Punch.

      Party fanboys is exactly right.

    • Mattb says:

      03:27pm | 06/06/11

      @Iansand

      Let’s make a list of em

      True free market capitalists-
      um, no, still looking, nah, can’t find one here, although cudo’s to Adam Diver, his comment below (well below) is probably the best of the day from the liberal side

      Mere party fanboys/ girls-
      Dash (who is quite possibly the only economist in the world backing ‘direct action, and calls a market-based carbon pricing mechanism “socialism gone mad!”- how much did you pay for that economics degree dash?)
      Jb
      Ripa
      ATM (for a change!!)
      Gregg
      Dovif
      RyaN
      NicoleG


      There’s a start, add more as you find em…

    • Adam Diver says:

      04:18pm | 06/06/11

      @ Mattb

      To be fair, I am not much of a party fanboy, its more a case of hating the alternative. And being a liberal, or capitalist does not neccessarily you have to be 100% one way or the other, its an unfair simplification.

      I doubt right or left punchers are advocating a pure capitalist government or a pure socialist one. Labor are still far more socialist in thier policies, and its poor form to claim otherwise and then laugh to yourself (bobster).

      Direct Action for example, whilst being completely insane, has nothing on a “consumption tax” that redistributes wealth, in a guise to help the environment.

      But here is the biggest issue, if Labor are socialist, the greens are crazy socialist, and the libs are fast becoming socialist, who is going to save us?

    • Bobster says:

      05:32pm | 06/06/11

      Labor and not socialist, Adam. They’re a million miles from it.

      It’s just mischievious nonsense to claim they are, especially when that nonsense comes from Liberal fanboys who don’t even know what the word means.

      There are a lot of things in Aussie politics that you can find in Marx and Engels and neither side would question them.

      The Greens aren’t socialists either - to suggest that is to suggest they have any opinions on economics and clearly they don’t.

      It’s just great fun to be able, for once, to call Abbott on his socialistic tendencies and it’s even more fun to hear the near deafening silence when one does so.

    • Mattb says:

      05:42pm | 06/06/11

      @Adam
      I was simply joining in on the pisstake. But I read your post earlier on in the day and found it to be the most genuine post of the day, thus decided to single you out on it. And putting you into the ‘free market capitalist list’ seemed fairer than the other one!.

      I’m with you on ‘direct action’ action being insane, but I believe a price on carbon without the silly ‘compensation’ is the best way to tackle the issue of reducing carbon emissions. But it would be a gutsy government that went down that road in the current political climate, so ‘compensation’ it is I suppose, not that I’ll see any of it.

    • Dash says:

      05:52pm | 06/06/11

      @Mattb, oooh something tells me you don’t like me!

      Paid for it with nothing but hard work Matt.

      You don’t get it at all. It’s not about the “market priced mechinism”, It’s about the compensation plan that goes along with it. I’ve said it a million times. The compensation plan will descriminate against families on the basis of income, not on the basis of pollution. This policy is therefore not about the environment and all about redistributing wealth! Call the tax a market mechinism all you like! How many economists are backing a plan that allows families to be descriminated against on the basis of income? If it was a free market, let families pay on the basis of pollution rather than income. Then I’ll back it!

      It doesn’t matter what you call a turd it’s still a turd. It doesn’t matter how hard you polish a turd, it’s still a turd.

      And if I wanted your shit, I’d squeeze your head!

    • acotrel says:

      07:26am | 06/06/11

      @Gregg
      ‘Measuring Joe Hockey on economic credentials is a bit absurd for all shadow treasurers will never have the full resources of Treasurey and other ministerial staff at hand as a government does ‘

      So THAT’S his excuse for appearing to be stupid?

    • dovif says:

      11:05am | 06/06/11

      Full resources of Treasury and other ministerial staff had never stop Swann from appearing stupid

    • thatmosis says:

      07:43am | 06/06/11

      OMG, another Labor Troll has his two pennith worth of mindless drivel posing as a serious article. Sorry clown but people are not really interested in anything that a labor troll has to say as they are focussing on the lies and decit of the leader of the Labor/Green/Independant Government trying to place a new open ended tax on the people for nothing on nothing. Concentrate on getting the liar and gutless wonder in power to listen to the people before casting the first stone, now that would be something to write about..

    • Clear eyes says:

      08:43am | 06/06/11

      Ahh.. Brendan’s a liberal.
      You can see from these bits of the article:

      “...John Howard’s job-creating Work Choices. The Labor Party’s Fair Work Act is re-regulation gone mad…”
      - Since when would a labor troll say workchoices created jobs, and Fair Work was a bad idea?

      “...Peter Costello were Black Caviar…”
      - HAHAHAHAHA!!!!! - He did nothing. Squandered GST. Sat on a 20Bn surplus because he couldn’t figure out how to tie its expenditure to an election campaign.. so campaigned by saying the surplus itself was good. “I’ve got all your taxes! No idea how to spend them ... but look! I’ve got them all!”

      “Wayne Swan has been a truly awful Treasurer”
      - Another comment unlikely to come from a labor flag waver.

      “Tony Abbott has political skill and his relentlessly negative approach to opposition has been a brilliant success”
      - Abbott’s negativity is not celebrated by labor, they call him ‘Dr NO’. It’s an insult. Only liberals think Abbott’s current approach is good.

      “economic growth through liberal economic policies - and that this strategy, by and large, defined the successful Howard-era.”
      - Labor people say luck of global economic expansion and the biggest great big new tax on everything (GST) defined Howard.

      Read it again. But its true what they say.. criticism from within is always the hardest to take.
      (and as for the troll bit.. glass houses, stones.. etc)

    • Matt says:

      09:51am | 06/06/11

      @Clear eyes - maybe you should have a look at Brendan’s back-catalog…

      “Howard was good, but Keating was better”

      “Why an atheist Prime Minister is better”

      “Kevin Rudd is in exactly the right place”

      “Punch: It’s no biggie if Julia doesn’t like foreign affairs”

      “Abbott’s dirty economic secret: he’s just like Labor”

      A Liberal supporter? I think that’s a bit of a stretch!

    • Seano says:

      09:54am | 06/06/11

      How precious are you considering the boot stuck into Labor in the article that you see only the criticism of Abbott?

    • Clear eyes says:

      10:52am | 06/06/11

      @ Matt
      I could go through all those articles and… oh ok I did already. Here:

      Why an atheist PM is better.
      “I would vote for a religiously inclined leader who had the courage to pursue meaningful tax reform … over an atheist who doesn’t.”
      Ie – he’d vote Abbott over Gillard.

      Howard v Keating:
      “If it wasn’t for Keating, Labor would be even bigger economic cowards.“
      Hmmm… the whole labor party are economic cowards except Keating who hasn’t been in politics since 1996…

      Rudd right place:
      “Kevin Rudd might be egotistical, self-serving, mistake prone and a control freak..”
      “the country can rest assured that its biggest political liability has one of the least influential portfolios in government.”
      “an international lightweight”
      “Rudd, therefore, should be considered a junior Minister”
      “people are concerned that Rudd will continue to be a mistake-prone Foreign Minister but these fears are overblown as foreign affairs is a largely unimportant portfolio.”
      ..There’s a lot more in that one. Very snarky …and hardly the comments of a guy who thinks Rudd is good at anything.

      Julia no biggie:
      “Gillard is an international lightweight incapable of advocating the government’s position”
      ..there’s that lightweight comment again.
      Another one from this article:
      “At least the left is consistent—consistently wrong, but consistent nevertheless”
      ..now who on the labor/left would say this?

      Brendan is no Labor fan. READ the content. Troll – house – glass – stone – etc.

    • Martin Hopes says:

      11:27am | 06/06/11

      You guys are unbelievable, arguing over whether the author of this article is a troll or not…why not worry about the content of the article and debate that?

      Political debate in this country has hit rock bottom, but of course that should be of no surprise, considering the pathetic political debate shown by our leaders. I’ve often wondered if our politicians really are a sad reflection of the voters who put them there, I now have no doubt they are.

    • Seano says:

      11:56am | 06/06/11

      “You guys are unbelievable, arguing over whether the author of this article is a troll or not…why not worry about the content of the article and debate that?”

      Fair comment and I completely agree. The author sticks it to both sides and rightly so. Personally I’d be interested in a small L liberal party if one were on offer.

    • Clear Eyes says:

      12:36pm | 06/06/11

      >Martin, Matt, Seano

      We’re all of us replying to a rock-bottom troll post, so the trolliness of it is a worthy consideration… and the rock-bottomness was determined by said troll..
      Saying Brendan is not a liberal supporter is like saying Malcolm Fraser or John Hewson are not liberal supporters - and they’re not, of THESE liberals.
      Criticism from within.. saying your enemy has a lot in common with your friend is not a compliment for either of them. ‘Abbot is like Labor’ from this author is an insult to both - Abbott for taking on the Labor policies the author dislikes, and Labor for having those policies.

    • Lawrie says:

      08:04pm | 06/06/11

      Had to laugh at this comment from thatmosis.  All you have to do is replace Labor Troll with Piers Ackerman and you get the same result. It really saddens me that people can’t put forward an argument in a nice concise manner but have to hurl personal invective and think that is being clever. Good debate of the issues is always better than a personal insult.

    • Against the Man says:

      08:00am | 06/06/11

      OK if you think Abbott is so crap, than how is the CURRENT fake PM Juliar Gilltard doing a good job? The fact is the currently a great majority of this country are not doing well under the ALP or the polls wouldn’t be the way they are. Why didn’t Juliar crush Tony in the last election? Why isn’t the ALP soaring through the roof in the polls if their economic and other policies are so great? Why are ALP State governments dropping like flies? Simple, there aren’t so great. Only, morons like Seano the loser coward are happy to enable this government to do more damage to this country’s future.

    • Shelli says:

      09:38am | 06/06/11

      Village Idiot strikes again.

    • Against the Man says:

      09:55am | 06/06/11

      Shelli = Seano who was ripped a new one by many readers of the Punch yesterday.

      Have a nice day Shelli (Seano) smile hehehe

      Also thanks for agreeing with my view that the Gilltard government has reached almost criminal levels of incompetence!

    • Seano says:

      10:12am | 06/06/11

      Unlike you I don’t use sock puppets. Even if I did, you’re not worth the effort. You’re a batshit crazy troll with nothing worthwhile to say. Which is why no one sensible “debates” you and the only people who agree with you are other batshit crazy trolls.

      Seek help.

    • Tom says:

      10:26am | 06/06/11

      Shelli, you have just defined yourelf as the village idiot. Do you think next time you might attempt to put some arguments in between the name calling?

    • Seano says:

      10:58am | 06/06/11

      @Tom - “you might attempt to put some arguments in between the name calling”

      Have you read an AtM post (assuming you didn’t write them).

    • Tom says:

      10:59am | 06/06/11

      ATM, Agreed, but “... Seano the loser coward”? Couldn’t you leave that sort of thing to their side?

    • Against the Man says:

      11:54am | 06/06/11

      Tom, I agree the name calling isn’t called for, especially since Seano got a really good beating from a few people yesterday for his stupid comments (come to think of it all his comments lack intelligent thought). I’m happy to admit my mistake and will stick to beating Mr Seano el Shelli with the tough questions he will NEVER answer. Is it out of fear or lack of intelligence? Maybe both, whatever the case it is fun watching Seano make a fool of himself.

      http://au.news.yahoo.com/latest/a/-/latest/9581087/poll-shows-majority-against-carbon-tax/
      People will remember in 2 years, the NSW ALP held on for as long as they could but the longer they waited the worse the people punished them. Gilltard doesn’t care about what Australians or the ALP want, it really is up to the ALP to decide her fate or how and when they wish to get annihilated.

      ps: Calling Seano Mr Teacher shouldn’t be considered an insult because this is apparently what he does for a living believe it or not.

    • Seano says:

      02:36pm | 06/06/11

      @AtM and sockpuppets - “I agree the name calling isn’t called for”


      But you’re loopy enough to keep doing it and expect to be taken seriously.

      Seek help.

    • hot tub political machine says:

      02:59pm | 06/06/11

      Can you two just exchange emails and do this in private so it doesn’t take up 50% of every bloody thread?

    • Against the Man says:

      03:26pm | 06/06/11

      Hehehe, all poor Seano can say is seek help, a childish defense mechanism, hey as long as he doesn’t say anything intelligent I win.

      @ hot tub - C’mon on mate, this is all in good fun, ALP is in trouble, Seano was beaten down by lots of people based on his silly statement on understanding the carbon tax (maybe he should explain it to Labor). And can you believe he is a teacher? Anyway, doesn’t it seem interesting that with the polls showing the majority of Australia not wanting a cabon tax that will reduce CO2 levels by close to zero (stats provided by Seano from yesterday’s beatdown post) Gilltard is stubbornly pushing ahead.

      Keep punishing Gilltard’s Labor at the polls!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Oh Seano please give us a childish answer, thanks again for playing smile

    • Tom says:

      03:40pm | 06/06/11

      Can you recommend anyone?

    • Seano says:

      05:08pm | 06/06/11

      @Hot Tub - Exchanging emails with someone who is clearly clinically insane would be an unwise move at best.

      @AtM - Keep ranting or Seek help.

    • Sock Pup says:

      05:27pm | 06/06/11

      Seano is an academic? lol the usual out of touch with day to day reality lefty…

    • Seano says:

      06:45pm | 06/06/11

      The usual sock puppet, how in touch with day to day troll reality…

    • Against the Man says:

      07:26pm | 06/06/11

      HaHaHa Seano getting a good ol’ fashion trashing!

      @ Sock Pup, well it looks like Seano really was John A Neve who was Rob R Chartweiler - they all have the same pattern of nastiness and stupidity smile

      He keeps re-inventing himself after a good Punch beatdown. John A Neve had one of those.

      But Seano doesn’t realise that 60% of this country doesn’t want a carbon tax and want this taken to election. Now how can this academic ignore what the public wants? Is the China? So the sore loser calls names and avoids answering question because he can’t except defeat. He really is his own worse enemy…......

      http://www.thepunch.com.au/articles/13-eminent-plumbers-speak-out-on-the-carbon-tax/
      Read the above article Sock Pup and read Seano’s comments and the beatdown he gets from everyone, ouch so sad and pathetic, no wonder he is calling people names in a vain attempt at regaining some self respect and manhood smile

      He calls me a troll, he tells me to seek help, and it doesn’t bother me. What I am afraid of Sock Pup, is if this guy actually has a good, sensible argument to put me in my place. But you will never see that from him, the guy couldn’t even answer RSZenn’s question from the above article even though he claims to completely not be confused by the carbon tax policy! Too funny, I bet the guy is fuming red as he reads this.

      And if he is on the computer all the time, who is teaching the students? Scary huh? As for him losing touch with reality…..that is sad, I shouldn’t make fun of that, especially since he will have a hard time getting in to see his GP about a mental health care plan because his beloved Roxon has cut the Medicare rebate for that item number.

    • Lawrie says:

      08:13pm | 06/06/11

      Against the man - In case it hadn’t sunk in. This isn’t supposed to be “fun”. It is serious stuff and yet you proudly state you are prepared to waste most peoples time here just to stir the pot. Regardless of which party you follow this sort of game playing just debases the issues which are what is supposed to be debated and by default bebases whatever point you wanted to make.

    • Against the Man says:

      09:34pm | 06/06/11

      Lawrie, you are 100% right, it is serious but I feel I’ve brought up many valid points and links over the last year. Some were well debated others not so. I have brought up some interesting questions today and RSZenn brought some good ones in the article I provided a link to in the earlier response. At the end of the day I’m happy to have fun with the ALP supporters who set themselves up for a fall. Like I said if Seano wants to call me names instead of answering my questions and challenging me with his valid points, then let the fun times begin. This is serious, but until Gilltard and her government are gone, don’t expect the people to get what they want.

      You should see these ALP types run and hide when I bring up my health care points. Seano and TChong have never addressed them sensible instead giving silly comments with insults. So having fun with these guys is just me making the best of a bad situation. The fact is they know the ALP is shit, they just can’t bring themselves to admit it…............if the ALP was so great we would have a tsunami of achievements by them and the poll numbers would be through the roof in support of them. Zero significant achievements, low poll numbers and all they do is focus an attack on Abbott as a distraction mechanism.

      So name the achievements Seano….I’m being serious, and fair. Convert me to giving the ALP a fair go? See Lawrie, I won’t get a mature reply, because there is no achievements to speak of. So have fun with the teacher that doesn’t teach.

    • Seano says:

      09:48pm | 06/06/11

      @AtM - You really think I read your insane rants. I just respond to the blob of meaningless insanity with two words that for your own mental health you should take to heart:

      Seek Help!

    • Christian Real says:

      06:23am | 07/06/11

      Against the man
      One could also say, why didn’t Tony Abbott crush Julia Gillard at the last Federal election?
      Could it be that Tony Abbott just wasn’t good enough to cross the political finish line ahead of her?

    • dovif says:

      08:02am | 06/06/11

      HAHA

      Yes everyone in Australia knows that the ALP cannot manage the economy. That is why since the ALP has been in government, we have had record deficit and increase in taxes, from Alcopop tax , flood tax, carbon tax, increases in excise tax and Mining tax.

      So the ALP supporter’s’ last remaining defense is that the Liberals might be as bad as us. As Wayne Swann tells us, he does not know when the ALP last had a surplus and he will come up with more excuses on why the ALP won’t ever have one, dispite increasing and raising all those taxes

      Facts are the ALP destroys the economy, with their rackless and ill advised spending.

    • nossy says:

      08:08am | 06/06/11

      “Toxic Tony” has single handedly destroyed the Liberal Party leaving it today a directionless, visionless, divided and barren skeleton of a party. Handed the 2010 election on a platter “Toxic Tony” showed us all exactly what he was made of when incredibly he managed to extract defeat from the jaws of victory. Prior to that he deposed the only credible leader they have in the eloquent visionary Malcolm Turnbull. Today the “upper echelon” consists of people of the low calibre of the vile Scott Morrison and of course from their Coalition partner the crimson faced inumerate Barnaby Joyce. “Toxic Tony” stands for nothing and is going nowhere - lets all “Not go with Dr NO !”

    • Tom says:

      09:00am | 06/06/11

      So true nossy, I hear he is going to eat all our babies.

    • Michael says:

      12:04pm | 06/06/11

      Given all that you have said nossy, why is it that the leadership spill embarrassment you predicted a fortnight ago has not materialised?

      The best indictment of the current Liberal leader and his strategy are the diminishing rabble on the left that will stoop to schoolyard bullying and name calling on “The Punch”

    • nossy says:

      12:26pm | 06/06/11

      @Michael those divisions are bubbling away just below the surface Michael - Abbotts Liberal Party is a House Of Cards - one puff and its gone !

    • jb says:

      06:28pm | 06/06/11

      The many tricks of Tone Abbott are rattling your bones like never before.
      I would accept your criticism if you were able to show your mettle and let us all truly know if you support lying as a fine quality in your choice of PM.
      I might also point out TA has been scaring the shit out of you guys since 2007 and you still think he is going to fall over on his own sword within the next 2 years, he’s the marathon man if he’s made it this far he has the mettle to take it all the way. Juliar the mugger on the other hand has to either get rid of Swan or she will lock the doors of the rat cage and take everyone of you down in her ship to nowhere. Now crusty Man up and admit she’s not really ideal and Abbott’s appeal is that her and Swan are really crap in the eyes of most Australians including the rusted on.
      Common Crusty admit the only reason you want Turnbull in is because he could beat Gillard I mean really what other reason do you have to want him so much and if he is so great take him over to to Labor because I am pretty sure we don’t want him… perhaps he could join the mad Katter…

    • nossy says:

      07:06pm | 06/06/11

      jb - you mean lying like “Toxic Tony” told us all on TV he does from time to time jb ? hhahahahh I am a Turnbull man fella. You still over in Berlin ?

    • jb says:

      11:47pm | 06/06/11

      Yep still here in the shadow of Brandenburg Gate Crusty, back on the goldy next week we should catch up for a nice bottle at that fine establishment Tartufo in Bris or for some spectacular sashimi at Ten with Khuni on the goldy… be nice to be back for a few weeks but alas I am not as lucky as you, oh to be retired and not have to worry each day about the future of this country being in the hands of the mugger and her swan.
      I have to go back out into the wide world to work again pretty soon as your luscious lash Juliar the Mugger destroyed my industry with her blatant self serving stimulus package to her favoured unions, the retailers and the building industry, what ever it takes to get votes hey crusty…whatever it takes…. was that one of your old slogans from the adman days with Bryce?

    • Christian Real says:

      06:06am | 07/06/11

      jb
      By supporting Tony Abbott, you obviously support lying….............

    • jb says:

      08:17am | 07/06/11

      @CR
      Dude ww, i mean seriously wow, you turned all the juliar lies around and now attribute them to TA, thats brave stuff little guy.
      Hey 2 questions…
      1- do you support Juliar the mugger lying about not introducing this tax, no rhetoric of it being a new paradigm, please this is either her govt or Browns…
      und 2 whats your true feelings about that minister for misinformation Bowen sending unaccompanied young girls to Malaysia open to nothing but abuse?
      You sanction that kind of thing do ya tough guy?
      CR you have no moral fibre in your bones and day after day you are ripped apart in this colosseum of ours and you look nothing more than a joke, tell me do you wear white paint rosie cheecks and lipstick when you venture away fro your laptop??? support climate change but don’t be so dumb as to give your money a way with no intention of changing it.
      Encourage smaller feul efficient cars, solar, wind, planting of trees, try nuclear, all the countries you crap on about reducing CO2 are embrasing nuclear, you fools wont even take a side ways glance, what about the wonder itself THORIUM, not thats a big word for you isn’t it…
      Take that puppy on board and it will save the world…Trouble is your lash Juliar the mugger cant go for new green as she herself relies too much on the profits fro the dirty stuff.
      Wake up Australia, go green by making the change yourself…

    • Christian Real says:

      09:17am | 07/06/11

      jb
      Julia said that in her next term she would introduce a carbon price, and that is what she has done.
      This is extracts from a story in The Australian on the eve of the 2010 Federal Election.
      “Julia Gillard’s carbon price promise.”, written by Paul Kelly and Dennis Shanahan, on August 20 2010 @ 12.00AM
      “Julia Gillard says she is prepared to legislate a carbon price in the next term”
      It is Tony “don’t believe everything I say Abbott’ who is calling it a carbon tax.
      It seems that Tony Abbott was exposed by a 2009 interview on ABC television yesterday.
      This story from the ABC:
      “Abbott dogged by old carbon comment”, June 7,2011 @ 7.11am.
      “Tony Abbott’s past as a climate change “weather vane” has come back to haunt him -  again”
      .“The opposition leader has been shown spruiking a carbon tax in an old interview that was aired on ABC television yesterday”

    • Andy W says:

      08:16am | 06/06/11

      I’m not sure Tony Abbott subscribes to any particular ideology, he is always willing to reverse his long held beliefs at the drop of a hat if he thinks he can score some political points. TA himself said recently he will always put political pragmatism before good policy.

      Take his previous position on a carbon tax in for example:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckcH0Wrmy74&feature=youtube_gdata_player

    • CJ Morgan says:

      08:20am | 06/06/11

      “The only other explanation is that direct action is a front for inaction”

      Yup, got it in one, Brendan.

      I wouldn’t worry too much about Abbott though - no way will he be leading the Coalition to the next election.  Once he’s done his job as an attack dog he’ll be unceremoniously dumped, in favour of someone like Turnbull.

    • watty says:

      09:09am | 06/06/11

      But “Labor Legend” Bob Ellis is tipping Tuenbull wil join Labor (again?) and eventually become Labor’s Leader.

      I’m with Ellis on this one.

    • ALP is gone says:

      09:31am | 06/06/11

      haha

      only 1 of Abbott and Gillard the liar have a 30% support from the public, I would not be worry about Abbott, since he was part of the last competant government in Australia.

      Whether Gillard makes it to the end of the year on 30% support is another matter

    • CJ Morgan says:

      01:56pm | 06/06/11

      @ watty:

      I’ve had the same thought myself, but I dismissed it as wishful thinking smile  Ellis can be quite lucid, usually in a brief window of relative sobriety between lunch and dinner.

    • CiscoKid says:

      08:31am | 06/06/11

      Listen up all you labor and liberal converts, the answer to all your concerns and imaginings is simple, vote for Katters Australia Party at the next election. It will be pure bliss.

    • Wickerman says:

      09:34am | 06/06/11

      Hear hear. Bob K maybe a bit loopy but at least he is consistent & unwavering. His new party is at least worth a look.

    • Michael Ryan says:

      05:31pm | 06/06/11

      All supporters of Bob Katter should be banned from voting. Australia needs forward thinking policies and this man wants to concentrate on laws that will enable people to boil a billy? Seriously Wickerman, the only reason his party is worth a look is if you cant find comic relief elsewhere.

    • Tim says:

      08:33am | 06/06/11

      Peter Costello was a spendthrift? You need a new dictionary mate.
      Once you get a better handle on the English language, have another go at economics.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spendthrift

    • peter says:

      01:36pm | 06/06/11

      Compared to Howard the description is correct.

    • GB says:

      07:29pm | 06/06/11

      Well said Tim. If the author had a better grasp on what a spendthrift actually is, his article may have more creibility.

    • Brenda says:

      08:42am | 06/06/11

      “.... it’s important to ask what sort of economic agenda Abbott WILL pursue as Prime Minister…”

      “WILL pursue”  Not “may”, “could” or “might” pursue.

      “WILL pursue”.

      For someone supposedly destroying his party’s credibility, Abbott has surprised earlier critics by taking on and tearing apart the posturing, grasping Juliar Gillard and her incompetent cronies. With Labor now at it’s lowest ebb since 1975 (a disgraceful chapter in Labor’s history, much of it brought about by the incapable Gillard woman) and for someone “destroying his party’s credibility”, Abbott’s credentials in holding a very bad government to public account means he is doing exactly the job he’s paid to do.  Which is much more than can be said of Labor’s union hack MP policy incompetents, now miserably suffering their idiotic error in giving the self-aggrandising Gillard the job she craved but is intellectually incapable of doing.
      Abbott is opposing Gillard and her Green/independent duds, an outfit far less capable than the Whitlam circus. At least Whitlam was a dignified PM, which is more than can be said for Gillard the Giggler who doesn’t even “understand”  that laughing after someone asks her a serious question in public is a cruel insult to their intelligence.

    • iansand says:

      08:55am | 06/06/11

      The score so far:

      Politics - 3 gaziillion
      Principle - Nil

      Do you people have a niggling worry that people might start to notice?

    • fairsfair says:

      09:03am | 06/06/11

      We get it, you think TA is crap. But calling him even crapper and advising that he is not a good enough substitute for Labor because he is too much like Labor - logic fail.

    • Seano says:

      10:01am | 06/06/11

      There’s no logic fail, he’s saying he supports Free Market Liberalism and that TA is not a free market Liberal for which he makes a pretty good case.

    • Tubesteak says:

      09:10am | 06/06/11

      Middle class welfare is a poison that is killing this country. We outlay a lot of money for no return. It is an exercise in vote-buying and nothing more.

      Now we have an entire class of people who fervently believe they are doing it tough in their McMansions with 3 cars and need a gubberment hand-out to survive or else the gubbermint is a bad economic manager.

      Both parties are guilty of this. I’m glad I’ve never voted for either of them (or the Greens).

    • Steve M says:

      09:35am | 06/06/11

      did you have to study to be able to spew such ridiculous generalisations or is it a natural gift? “an entire class of people who fervently believe blah, blah , blah”. What rot.

    • Tubesteak says:

      11:29am | 06/06/11

      I did a lot of study and am therefore perfectly qualified to comment in an area in which I’ve studied.

      Have a listen to the bogans bleating about how hard done by they are and “rising cost of living” blah blah blah while they go about and buy another plasma TV and another holiday to Bali. Disgusting.

    • Dave-o says:

      09:26am | 06/06/11

      “Direct action” is a modern euphemism for “Total bullshit”. The coalition clearly thinks its going to be in opposition for a while if its prepared to parade its billion dollar industry subsidy.

      Just like Labor’s opposition policy of attacking every Refugee policy the coalition put forward, Tony is painting himself into a corner that will chain him to crap policy if he comes to office.

    • Drew(Darlinghurst) says:

      09:29am | 06/06/11

      Tony Abbott is a Fool

      Can we please MOVE ON from this UGLY EXTREME CATHOLIC !!!!!

    • Andrew says:

      09:45am | 06/06/11

      1. Abbott went to Oxford where were you educated?
      2. How is Abbott an “EXTREME CATHOLIC”?
      3. Chill out and stop shouting at people, maybe you should worry more about the present government’s failures than what the next government might do.
      4. If Abbott is so bad why are you lefties so worried about him? I mean if he is so obviously stupid, incompetent and evil why don’t you just let the elctorate judge him. The real problem you have is that he is quite clearly astute, discliplined and running rings around the labor rabble. You call Abbott extreme and then make ridiculous extremist comments yourself, bit of a joke really.

    • Mick says:

      09:54am | 06/06/11

      Drew - and I’m sure your just gorgeous darling. Must be yukky to be UGLY eh…......

    • Aitch B says:

      10:25am | 06/06/11

      @Drew

      So what is it about Abbott’s “extreme” (as you put it) catholicism that bothers you so much?

      Please explain…........

    • loulou says:

      10:51am | 06/06/11

      @Drew(D’t)  Your envy is choking you.  He’s too athletic, isn’t he?  And you cannot stand it

    • BobM says:

      12:23pm | 06/06/11

      @Drew(Darlinghurst) probably just had a ‘back, sack and crack’ wax - he’s probably feeling a bit tender.

    • Bobster says:

      01:09pm | 06/06/11

      Just one other issue (@Andrew) - lots of idiots have been educated at Oxford. An Oxford education often says more about your bank balance (or your parents’) than it does your IQ.

    • loulou says:

      01:42pm | 06/06/11

      @Bobster,  Please,  your list of idiots educated at Oxford??

    • Bobster says:

      02:10pm | 06/06/11

      Now that would require a full list of Oxford graduates and complete biographies on all of them.

      Suffice to say, the two second Google search I just did failed to turn up such.

      As a result, I will go out on a limb and say there has been no definitive study completed on the mental acuity of Oxford graduates as compared to ... anyone really.
      However, as the product of higher education (not Oxford), I will say I am absolutely confident in the knowledge that higher education is neither a prerequisite for, or an indication of, a high class intellect.

      To say attending Oxford is proof of a first class mind proves only that you don’t know too many Oxford graduates.

      If you want to find a small sample though, the House of Lords would be a good place to start. Not too many in there that aren’t Oxford or Cambridge grads and I’m sure you can find many in Britain who would be happy to tell you they’re a mob of ancient, uninformed twits.

      And anyway, I thought a university education just made you a left-wing economic vandal? That’s what most of the Punchers keep telling us.

      Oh wait ... ladies and gentle, I give you the Honourable Tony Abbott - bloody communist.

    • loulou says:

      04:43pm | 06/06/11

      @Bobster,  you’re out on a limb,  no question.  Not because you say there’s been no definitive study….......no, because you’ve failed to give me my list.  Since your response is civil, I overlook this failure on your part.  Had the lecture gone to another paragraph, I’d have had you down as a professor.

    • Bobster says:

      07:44pm | 06/06/11

      Well, we have Tony Abbott. And as my point is a) Tony Abbott is an idiot and b) an Oxford education does not innoculate one from idiocy, I only need one example to prove my point.

      My argument is therefore protected by an circular and impregnable shield of pure logic.

      There we go, that oughta engage on about your level.

      G’night.

    • Christian Real says:

      06:36am | 07/06/11

      Skip to my loulou
      You could be right, Abbott is too athletic, perhaps that is why he has no ideas,no policies and no real direction, and has to resort to attacking other political parties that actually has policies.
      Maybe muscle has built up in in brain from being “too athletic’, and that chokes and strangles off any ideas or policies that he may have had or thought about.

    • Adam Diver says:

      09:33am | 06/06/11

      Credit to the author here, you have both sides dissing you for being partisan. Persoanlly I think the direct action plan is a front, I would prefer the Liberals to make policy and stick to it. in the long run, Labor will down around them, even if there is short term pain (think asylum seekers).

      Maternity leave is a tough one, because its an important social and economic issue. Socially its irresponsible to encourage unproductive members of society to procreate, whilst productive members need to sacrifice for the same right.

      Anyway its a very good piece, it bought me back inline a touch, because of Labor’s utter incompetance, my glasses began having a rose coloured tint to them, when viewing the opposition. Having said that, even the Libs at their worse has to be better than current Labor.

    • Dave says:

      09:34am | 06/06/11

      Great insight. Labor has lurched to the right on so many issues, and the Libs have done the opposite. Will Labor be our new conservative party?

    • Sam says:

      09:55am | 06/06/11

      Abbott has famously said that he believes Oppositions don’t win elections: Governments lose them.  And this seems to be his modus operandi so far.  It’s true, to a degree.  But ultimately you have to be seen to offer a credible alternative.  If NLP supporters think they can simply cruise to victory O’Farrell style without demonstrating what they will look like running this country, I think they may be disappointed.  They may just squeek in, but what a wasted opportunity it will have been.  I, for one, am expecting more from them and I honestly don’t know if I’ll give them my vote if they can’t do any better than this.  Better the devil you know.

    • Terry says:

      11:51am | 06/06/11

      @Sam - You are right that the Coalition are believing the polls and many are beginning to look and act cocky. But the deal will be sealed when the new senators arrive next month, dominated by rabid Greens which Juliar won’t be able to control in her own “coalition”.
      It will all go to hell in a hand-basket and the punters will be more dismayed than before - the Libs will keep on reminding voters of the massive debt, cost of living will soar due to the carbon tax and the Unions will stage ever-increasing strikes.
      TA will romp it in with a NSW-like majority.

    • Sam says:

      02:22pm | 06/06/11

      Good point.  Hadn’t factored that in.  Still, I remember voting Howard in the last election he won, even though I didn’t really want to, but couldn’t stand the thought of Kim Beasley as PM.  To win, really win, you have to be a leader.  So I’m hoping Tony Abbott will go for the knock-out punch sometime soon by showing us that not only can he jab his opponent and wear them down, but he can also take them down with a clear, coherent and attractive vision of the Australia he’s going to turn us into.  Really, FFS I just want someone to lead this country well.  Couldn’t give a f&ck; whether their labor or nlp.  Both parties have produced good leaders.  Time for one to show up.

    • Dieter Moeckel says:

      09:59am | 06/06/11

      It’s all JULIAR’s fault. If it wasn’t for her Tony Abbott would be a true liberal ...

    • Election now please says:

      10:20am | 06/06/11

      There seems to be elevated desperation in the vitriole hurling this morning.  I sense there is a quiet dawning among the “faithful that Gillard’s days are numbered.

    • NicoleG says:

      10:40am | 06/06/11

      Agreed. But she hasn’t got the guts to call an election. She’s knows she’d get her arse kicked. And I just love how Abbott has got Labor and all the followers shitting themselves. It amuses me.

    • Leaker1 says:

      10:41am | 06/06/11

      Souces say she’s got til December to turn things around for Labor or she’s gone.

    • Christian Real says:

      07:21am | 07/06/11

      NicoleG
      Abbott hasn’t got me worried, he failed at the previous Federal election and he will fail again at the next one also, providing that he isn’t replaced before the next Federal Election.

    • bikinis on top says:

      10:53am | 06/06/11

      Liberal National Parties are always just like Labor.Thats no secret for voters.
      Nobody can trust them. Nobody sees anything done by them.
      Nobody expects them to do anything for the rest of time.
      Nobody expects them to keep promises nor to know what promises are.
      Nobody expects them to think anything nor say anything for the rest of time.
      Nobody underestimates them.Everybody overestimates them.

    • RyaN says:

      11:42am | 06/06/11

      @bikinis on top: “there will be no carbon tax under a government I lead”

    • bikinis on top says:

      12:51pm | 06/06/11

      Just let Nicole Girl and Tim Boy solve all our political problems.
      Nicole G and Tim B always know best.
      Liberal National Conservative Parties cannot solve Labor’s problems and Labor cannot solve Liberal National Conservative problems. Thats a law of politics in UK, Australia, New Zealand , and Canada.

    • Bobster says:

      01:53pm | 06/06/11

      bikinis on top wins the best comment of the day award.

      I’d like, if I may, to offer some evidence for their (not sure if male or female) position too.

      Look at the election results around the nation (except NSW which was a special case) 50-50 - or close to it - across the board suggest no one except the die-hards can find much to pick between the two major parties.

      That, I think, backs up the theory that there is FA difference between the two.

    • Christian Real says:

      10:01pm | 06/06/11

      Ryan
      Keep repeating it to yourself and you may actually believe it, Julia Gillard did say “there will be no Carbon tax”, but she also said prior to the last federal election that she would legislate ‘Carbon pricing”, and she has kept her word by doing so.
      One would guess if you are silly enough to believe in the scare tactics and lies from Tony Abbott’s diatribe of ‘A carbon tax”, then you possibly believe in fairies at the bottom of your garden.
      Tony Abbott’s words “carbon tax”, Julia gillard’s words and promise ‘carbon Pricing’, which she has kept.
      As Tony Abbott has previously stated:“don’t believe everything I say.”
      In all newspaper reports that I have perused online Julia Gillard has called it ‘carbon pricing, while Tony Abbott has ran with his lies and scare campaign about it being a ‘carbon Tax

    • RyaN says:

      12:46pm | 07/06/11

      @Christian Real: really! Thats your defense? That is more laughable than the original statement. Seriously trying to defend a barefaced lie is not helping your complete lack of credibility mate.

    • Debbie says:

      10:59am | 06/06/11

      Jus sitting back and watching the puerile antics of the commentators here as the two sides throw mudpies at each other ... very similar the antics of the politicians they support.  Not even God (if you believe in one) could help Australia.

    • Coop says:

      01:58pm | 06/06/11

      You are obviously above name calling and implyng that all except you are puerile

    • Debbie says:

      02:08pm | 06/06/11

      I didn’t say all commentators .. there are some with serious commentary .. so no I wasn’t implying what you are suggesting smile

    • nossy says:

      02:14pm | 06/06/11

      @Debbie yes i like to distance myself from all that “muck” too gorgeous Debbie !  hahahahah love and kisses your nossy

    • bikinis on top says:

      11:03am | 06/06/11

      Your comment:ok
      Labor will win the next federal election with an increased majority.
      Unbeatable invincible Tony then warms the backbench.

    • bikinis on top says:

      11:06am | 06/06/11

      Any Nicole Girl or any Tim Boy knows Tony Abbott is Labor.

    • RyaN says:

      11:15am | 06/06/11

      @Brendan Brown: are you sure you aren’t acotrel?

    • Quintin Bryce says:

      11:38am | 06/06/11

      This is what happens when you try to buy votes and have unscrupulous morals.  All parties are awful and corrupt.  The biggest problem in this country is the fact that nobody has the balls to stand up to the people and business to make the necessary reforms for the greater good of Australia.  Some harsh and unpopular decisions need to be made, but neither side appears willing to do so.  Tony Abbott uses cheap tactics which seem to be backfiring on him of late.  I’d expect him to be toppled as opposition leader within 6 months.

    • Stupid Is says:

      12:29pm | 06/06/11

      I sincerely hope he is toppled Quintin. I, and many people I know, will never vote LNP while that clown is at the helm. I keep hearing that we should vote for the our local MP and not the party, but I just cringe when I think of that buffoon as the PM.

    • loulou says:

      12:37pm | 06/06/11

      @Q B   “...nobody has the balls to stand up to the people…”  Are you insane?  Name your chosen dictator

    • RyaN says:

      11:48am | 06/06/11

      @Quintin Bryce: “nobody has the balls to stand up to the people” I hope you aren’t, the GG as this comment is a pearler.
      What is a government there for? To REPRESENT the people NOT stand up to the people.
      Then again considering the side of politics you support, I suppose a commie does think that a government should stand against the people and subject them into a dictatorship. Unbelievable.

    • BobM says:

      12:26pm | 06/06/11

      Lets see if Quentin has ‘the balls’ to dissolve this parliament. Probably not, as her daughter will then be married to a BACKBENCHER.

    • Dieter Moeckel says:

      11:54am | 06/06/11

      It’s not the parties that are at fault it’s the voting public that tunes into 90 second news grabs and shock jocks.
      Where I live national and international news takes up less than one tabloid page.
      Sometimes I think that 80% of people shouldn’t vote and if they have voted for the same party for three times in a row they should be banned from voting for life.

    • Blind Freddy says:

      12:37pm | 06/06/11

      If the Lieberals were ever elected to government- the first budget they would discover a budget shortfall and the first cut in spending will be to TA’s ‘direct action’ plan.

      But, when you have a friend in the sky like TA that can work miracles you don’t need rational and logical thinking.

    • RyaN says:

      01:17pm | 06/06/11

      @Blind Freddy: and yet they have a long history of paying Labors deficits, do show us a Labor government that has ever paid off its own debts, let alone the exorbitant debts left to in by the previous incompetent government.

    • Jim says:

      12:43pm | 06/06/11

      Brendan. You are so on the money here with your analysis.

    • Harquebus says:

      01:38pm | 06/06/11

      There is no such thing as renewable energy. Plant lots and lots of trees. It might be more expensive but, it is actually doing something. The survivors will thank us.

    • hot tub political machine says:

      01:54pm | 06/06/11

      Not sure if your comment is ironic or not but, 20%ish of South Australia’s electrity supply is now from renewables. If you go for a drive in many parts of the country you get to see huge windfarms doing their thing. Plenty of our taller CBD buildings in Adelaide run entirely off solar, and usually feed more into the grid than their panels take in. So, there is such a thing.

      Also I think the plant trees idea has the problem of it will take too long for it to have an effect. Heck, many of us who went to school in the 80’s have planted bloody forrests with our classmates - they are forrests now…. of 5 foot trees. Apparently size is related to how much carbon they can store so we are going to be waiting a bit to see the big benefits.

    • Bobster says:

      01:54pm | 06/06/11

      Until the coal runs out and we have to burn the trees to run the dynamos.

    • hot tub poltical machine says:

      02:09pm | 06/06/11

      Woops, silly hot tub meant to say “feed more into the grid than the building needs”

    • Harquebus says:

      10:07pm | 06/06/11

      @hot tub political machine says. Your wind generators and solar PV’s will never return the total energy that went into their production. Thermodynamics mate, thermodynamics.
      Next!

    • mel says:

      02:25pm | 06/06/11

      What punch has Brendan Brown landed?
      He says Abbott is popular.  But all I hear is how UNpopular Abbott is.  How could an “ideologically depraved” man be popular -  with Australians? 
      And Black Caviar/Peter Costello.  Plain silly.  Nothing shallow about the mare.

    • GB says:

      03:47pm | 06/06/11

      This is hilarious. All the usual ALP troglodytes pop their head out of the cave as soon as there is a whiff of an anti-Abbott story. Much like their elected representatives ruining everything they can get their hands on in Canberra, any excuse, no matter how tenuous will do. Nothing beats a good old Abbott bashing for a bit of sport eh? Keep attacking the man though. It seems to be working a treat for you at the moment.

    • iansand says:

      04:34pm | 06/06/11

      What is even more hilarious is all the pro-Coalition troglodytes desperately patting each other on the back on this site, and never having the courage to venture into hostile terrain.  At least the ALP troglodytes have the spine to go into enemy territory.

    • GB says:

      05:19pm | 06/06/11

      Spare me the “enemy territory” garbage Ian. With the unabashed Climate Change fanboy Mal Farr as the editor in chief and plenty of contributors from the Left side of the political divide, this is hardly the hotbed of conservatism you’d like to make it out to be. Your side of politics gets just as much a chance to air their views as the other.

    • iansand says:

      05:45pm | 06/06/11

      GB - Surely you jest?  You have obviously never ventured out into the wild world.  The bravest contributors here are Persephone, nossy and a couple of others.  They are on the wrong end of some quite unpleasant, and rarely intelligent, posts.

    • GB says:

      07:24pm | 06/06/11

      Hang on a second Ian. We’re talking about 2 different things here. My argument is based on the premise that the articles published are balanced with an even blend of both left and right leaning tilts. You’re referring to the contributors to the comments section like you and I which is something you and I have little control over. As I said, your side gets just as much air time and the fact that there are so few ALP leaning commenters maybe says more about the state of affairs nationally than any particular bias on The Punch’s part.

    • Crap Filter says:

      09:22am | 07/06/11

      Posts reflect the “state of affairs nationally”? Pull the other one.

      If that was in any way right, the number of posters plainly left or right would be far more evenly balanced than they are.  There’d be far more Leftish posters - good and bad. Far more.

      And the really slimy posts here would become almost invisible, lost in the rush of conversation between ordinary decent folk.

      My Mum in law is a Lib -  and a good hearted lass to her stockinged toes.  She doesn’t cheat, ever. Not her way.

      She’d box the ears of the dirtier Libs who swarm on anything that’s not the Lib or the Tele line here.

    • dazed says:

      04:23pm | 06/06/11

      When reading blogs I have often felt many TA critics do not specifically articulate what it is about him that makes them feel this way. Some I suspect do not specify there reason for fear of being branded a biggot or sexist.

    • loulou says:

      04:51pm | 06/06/11

      @dazed Maybe it’s the masculinity that brings out the fear and trembling in the critics.

    • Christian Real says:

      06:43am | 07/06/11

      Skip to my loulou
      masculinity?, Tony Abbott?, you gave me a good laugh for the day.
      loulou, warming to you too.

    • Holly says:

      05:34pm | 06/06/11

      I totally disagree with your headline.  Tony Abbott is nothing like the current Labor government.  He is by far the most socialist politician parliament today.  Just look at some of the solutions he is proposing in what passes as his attempts at policy.  He demonstrated this with his parental leave policy and now with his approach to pollution abatement.  Your coalition respondents do not seem to fully grasp this.  That is why I just laugh off the ridiculous over the top criticism of Julia Gillard.

    • kp says:

      06:55pm | 06/06/11

      That is why the media is so unbelievable and ridiculous.  It is articles like this that make me cringe !!  Go Tony Abbott.  I hope you kick this witch and her disgusting party out on their butts !!!!

    • Christian Real says:

      07:05am | 07/06/11

      kp
      The only one that will get a kick in the arse is Tony Abbott, like the last Federal election when he failed to cross the political finish line to become Prime Minister

    • js says:

      07:07pm | 06/06/11

      Wow, the Labor morons are out and about tonight.  I am surprised there are still any of you left !!!!!!!!!  You should be disgusted with yourselves.

    • Simon says:

      07:49pm | 06/06/11

      I think all descriptions in this article are fair for both sides. All it does is prove that people get the government they deserve which does not say a lot about us

    • loulou says:

      07:49pm | 06/06/11

      Great picture of Tony Abbott,  Brendan Brown.  Thank you! 
      To those who doubt Abbott’s intellect, who talk of Oxford-educated “idiots” and “twits”,  are these our Rhodes Scholars - Florey, Eccles, Cowen, Beazley, Hawke, Turnbull, Hollingworth, Abbott.

      Tony Abbott will be the next Prime Minister.  And all you griping, ancient windbags will just have to get used to it.

    • paul r says:

      09:10pm | 06/06/11

      @Loulou   I don’t see Gillard’s name amongst the scholars.  Perhaps the rumour is true -  Julia Gillard is not intelligent

    • Christian Real says:

      09:22pm | 06/06/11

      skip to my loulou
      Abbott was born in London,he isn’t and never will be our rhodes scholar

    • loulou says:

      09:58pm | 06/06/11

      C R You now attack Baby Abbott.  Christian, Christian

    • Christian Real says:

      05:44am | 07/06/11

      skip to my loulou
      ‘Baby Abbott” ?, yes your words does fit Tony Abbott perfectly,the immature way that he and his Opposition coalition party acts in Parliament is more akin to children and schoolyard bullies with their name calling and abusive barbs.
      Since Tony Abbott lost the last election he has spat the dummy and threw tantrums in a baby like way.
      He should build a bridge and get over it, and his supporters and followers should do like wise

    • Christian Real says:

      05:50am | 07/06/11

      skip to my loulou,
      “Baby Abbott”  won’t replace Tony Abbott’s nickname of ‘Mad Monk”, but it might come close.

    • Christian Real says:

      06:16am | 07/06/11

      Skip to my loulou,
      “Tony Abbott will be the next Prime Minister” you say….........
      I hope that you are not too disappointed when he fails once again to get the top job.
      Abbott may have been so close to winning government at the last Federal election,but the marathon Ironman in his budgie smugglers failed to cross the finish line and take the top job.

    • Christian Real says:

      07:15am | 07/06/11

      skip to my loulou say:
      “Great picture of Tony Abbott”, I guess it might turn you on skip to my loulou, but the only thing that Tony Abbott’s picture may be useful for is throwing darts at.

    • loulou says:

      11:09pm | 07/06/11

      Christian Real:  Truly pitiful.  Hidden away in the archives, lies the most ridiculous post ever composed -  The Tony Abbott picture does not turn me on.
      It’s obviously been chosen because it depicts his strong, resolute character.      Your cause is a lost one, C R

    • Christian Real says:

      09:18am | 08/06/11

      Skip to my loulou
      You say “your cause is a lost one C R”,
      skip to my loulou, somehow i don’t think so and it is only a matter of time before Tony Abbott stumbles or is pushed out of the Leadership.
      I am surprised that he has held on for this long,but somehow I don’t think that he will be Leader of the opposition come next election.
      As for Tony Abbott having a ‘strong character’, you are wrong because he has no character,no integrity and certainly no honesty.
      Tony Abbotts verbal comments and everytime he opens his mouth means very little and means absolutely nothing because as he has said himself:, ‘unless they are carefully prepared written statements then they can’t be taken as the gospel truth.’

    • Scott Keith says:

      07:57pm | 06/06/11

      Sounds like he’s got you worried buddy !

    • kp says:

      08:11pm | 06/06/11

      Loulou,  WELL SAID !!!!!!!!!!

    • PeterinSydney says:

      08:30pm | 06/06/11

      The Liberal Party started to go down hill when it started to admit Catholics. It should have kept with all protestant - masonic members. Abbott, the hard right wing Catholic could never be a true Liberal after the Menzies example. In fact the new mafia type group controlling the Liberals is the hard right Catholic sect of Opus Dei, they are controlling both Abbott and Barry O’Farrell. They are even supported by Alan Jones. It is time to bring back the strong protestants and masons again! They were the best economic managers.

    • paul r says:

      09:23pm | 06/06/11

      Wasn’t the “mafia type group” a NSW Labor thing?  And Masons??  HA HA   The failed Julia Gillard experiment is affecting people badly. 
      Another old windbag for you, @Loulou

    • Christian Real says:

      09:14pm | 06/06/11

      Labor wouldn’t want Abbott to join their party because he is too far right like Adolf Hitler

    • loulou says:

      09:38pm | 06/06/11

      Christian Real   Frustration understandable, therefore wild statements.  No one, no one -  not even Emily’s List -  writes in praise of Julia Gillard.  Her intellect, her integrity, her leadership??  There is nothing to say.

    • Christian Real says:

      05:34am | 07/06/11

      skip to my loulou
      If you surf the net and peruse information and you might actually learn something instead of ridiculing comments of as wild statements.
      They are both far right wing,.......
      The only wild statements are coming from Tony Abbott and his supporters and followers

    • Robby hart says:

      06:27am | 07/06/11

      Howard created the most welfare recipients in the history of our country. SO Abbott has to defend his “God’s” creations.

      I don’t know you can say Abbott has any specific economic position. I truly think he knows nothing about economics and running a Budget and would just make it up as he went along.

      Like Howard, it will be anything to buy votes.

      He’s already supported a carbon price/tax many times and his direct action IS a direct carbon tax, but on the people, not the polluters.

      Labor are poor at exposing him and I don’t know why. Abbott has to be one of the easiest targets in our politica lhistory. A failed priest who abused Bernie in his wheelchair, claimed a son that wasn’t his and admitted he lies nearly all the time.

      What else do people need to know about this loser?

    • Bloggs says:

      07:55am | 07/06/11

      It’s easy to see that this writer pays his Union dues on time, eh?

      What a laughable piece of crap this article really is!

    • iansand says:

      08:18am | 07/06/11

      There may be a couple of exceptions, but I do not recall one post attempting to explain, or justify, Abbott’s policies under doctrinal Liberal, or free market, principles.  Not a sausage.  Just the usual boring attacks on Ms Gillard and the ALP, or paranoid posts from the Liberal bunker of “why does everyone hate us”.  It is very sad.  I think the Liberal Party has forgotten what a principle is.

    • andi says:

      09:14am | 07/06/11

      When it comes to voting I will select the best of a bad bunch. Julia may have sold the working class out on a number of issues and watered down many others but Tony cannot be the winner for all. Its big Business or the families as he pretends to support. He supported big business aginst families with the GST,  was against maternity leave, supported raising medicine and support for private schools and private hospitals against the public sector and has made no contribution towards public transport. Business opposed the 17.5% holiday loading the 39 hour week and yes thats T.A opposing families and he will not change his spots.

    • Red Baron says:

      09:55am | 07/06/11

      Brendan you might look up Abbott’s parlimentary performance under Turnbull.
      In three years he could not lay a glove on the tired, lazy and incompetent factional hack JENNY MACKLIN.
      And he now claims talking to Pearson makes him a genius on indigenous affairs.
      So if he gets to PM. we can expect more of the same. HUGE WASTE and ABORIGINALS FALLING FURTHER BEHIND.

    • Sarah says:

      10:17am | 07/06/11

      Abbott is more a supporter of the old Catholic Democratic Labor Party than the Liberal Party.He has stated that the Catholic rural socialist political leader BA Santamaria is one of the biggest influences on his political ideas.Australian voters do not want a religious extremist driven by a strange conservative belief system running the country.

    • marrickvillain says:

      01:21pm | 07/06/11

      The Howard Government also wasted money. The ALP should look into the regional partnerships program and the grants scheme for restoring rural waterways. Both were bottomless barrels of pork, with no accountabiilty and no outcomes other than lining the pockets of people in the regions. Strange no News Ltd scruitny of either at the time

    • Cianan says:

      08:11pm | 07/06/11

      Tony Abbott would put on a Mao suit and sing the Internationale if he thought it would put him into the lodge.  The only “ideology” the man has is getting himself into power.

    • loulou says:

      10:49pm | 07/06/11

      @Cianan,  he’ll get in without that.  No worries

    • Christian Real says:

      10:53am | 12/06/11

      Skip to my loulou
      The Liberals will have a new opposition leader before the next election

    • ROBYNNE says:

      07:16am | 08/06/11

      LABOR can’t get ABBOTT ANY OTHER WAY so they pay the punch TO SAY HE IS A LABOR PARTY HACK…?what they won’t do.Don’t you think that LIBERALS HAVE A SOUL TOO ?

    • Christian Real says:

      09:24am | 08/06/11

      Robynne
      Your conspiracy theories are wrong

    • Curmudgeon says:

      08:14am | 08/06/11

      As much as I am unimpressed with the Gillard minority government I am even more concerned with Tony Abbott as Prime Minister thinking back on his record under John Howard.I am a pensioner and TA’s attitude towards pensioners under Howard was abysmal .Please Liberals,give us a more charismatic and considerate leader and your chances improve even more.

 

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941 web sites and nothing to read. The rarely visited http://t.co/vPfJmesu sites. http://t.co/MhXMyvZv

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RT @avgaunz: @drpiotrowski @ThePunchHQ really interesting article! Although we offer email and phone support, we still receive the odd letter too...

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This is so clever. Lunch bags that look like they have mould on them to stop co-workers stealing your sandwich http://t.co/v7iMSkRh

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