News blew in late yesterday that Sydney is the 7th most expensive city in the world. Big deal. We already knew you have to be a criminal or a real estate speculator to afford to live here. Not that there’s much diff.

Only their mothers can tell them apart

The real news was that Melbourne made number 8 on the list, ahead of Singapore, which is widely known as an extremely expensive city even for those who don’t habitually spit on the sidewalk.

Melbourne has always prided itself on its title of “World’s Most Liveable City”. Apparently liveability doesn’t have much to do with affordability. And now Melbourne has another claim to fame. It’s a trait which is never, ever brought up in the endless, tedious Sydney vs Melbourne fights. Here goes then…

Melbourne is the city in the world most similar to Sydney. Well, it is. Forget the differences. As yesterday’s affordability ranking confirmed, Sydney and Melbourne have much, much more in common than either of them ever care to admit.

Truth is, the brashness of Sydney (as seen through Melbourne eyes) and the bleakness of Melbourne (as seen through Sydney eyes) are just two examples of differences between the cities which are wildly overblown.

Look at America’s two largest cities, New York and Los Angeles. One is subways, skyscrapers and snowy winters. The other is airheads, earthquakes and automobiles. They are fundamentally different places in terms of geography, layout, climate, culture, accent, industries and more.

By comparison, Sydney and Melbourne are almost identical. They’ve both got a tick over four million residents. They’ve both got a dense CBD, trendy inner city ring and sprawling, endless suburbs ringed by a combination of bush, farmland and water.

Sydney has a vibrant food scene, Melbourne’s may be a touch better. Melbourne has a happening arts scene but Sydney has the nation’s biggest film and literary festivals.

Melbourne has an ugly casino, Sydney has an ugly casino. Melbourne gets bush fires, Sydney gets bushfires. Melbourne has trams, but the vast majority of commuters use rail, as they do in Sydney. Or as they try to do.

The two cities share the same TV stations, most of the same radio stations, and increasingly, the same bylines across their two main newspapers.

Melbourne has a comedy festival. Sydney has CityRail. Melbourne is famed for hosting big events. Sydney didn’t exactly botch the Olympics. Melbourne went and removed a few giant bins and developed civic pride in its laneways. Sydney kept the bins and did likewise.

Melbourne has tough working class western suburbs, as does Sydney. Melbourne has innumerable ethnic groups clustered across a vast multicultural patchwork of suburbs. So does Sydney. The souvlaki is excellent in Melbourne. Portuguese chicken is a Sydney staple. Either way, it’s charred flesh on warmed bread.

Melbourne is supposed to be much hotter in summer and brutally cold in winter, but the climatic difference is minimal. Both cities share a January average maximum temperature of exactly 25.9 degrees. In July, the disparity in daily temps is less than three degrees.

There are, of course, some subtle differences.

Mebourne has enduring pop culture icons like Kylie Minogue and Shane Warne. Sydney has… I dunno, but whoever they were, the next big one just came along!

Both cities worship their own local football codes, but while Melburnians actually go the game, Sydneysiders prefer lounge chairs to bucket seats.

The tendency of Melburnians to attend anything and everything en masse says much about its citizens’ sense of civic pride. But it is also an indicator of something less positive.

Melbourne has a mob mentality. People there hang out with people who dress similarly, earn the same amount or barrack for the same football team. Sydney is more individualistic. That characteristic is often played up as narcissism by those who take David Williamson plays seriously, but it’s nothing of the sort.

Sydney people are less tribal for the perfectly good reason that they are not insecure. Confidence breeds individualism, and Sydney has confidence by the bucketload. Melboune, by comparison, seems a little insecure.

Melbourne has demonstrated its insecurity again and again over the years, with its endless repetition of that “World’s Most Liveable City” line, its never-ending boast of being home to big events which it pays squillions to host, and its incessant bagging of Sydney.

Melburnians never, ever admit they like visiting Sydney, even though they fly here for a visit at least once a year. Sydney people willingly visit Melbourne at every opportunity, especially when Jetstar has no cheap fares to Launceston or Adelaide.

There is of course one huge difference. It’s clichéd, but it must be said. Sydney’s waterways are among the most sparkling and beautiful in the world. Melbourne’s are like sewers.

How this undeniable reality has been factored into the old “liveability” index down the years is a mystery. That said, it is tough to find a parking spot near the sparkling waterways of Sydney. Or a parking spot anywhere, really. Mind you, with Warnie on the loose in his black Mercedes, Melbourne roads are no picnic either.

Face it, Sydney and Melbourne. We’re both a lot like each other. And now that we’re officially separated by just one rung of economic affordability, perhaps we should learn embrace the other things that bind us.

I still reckon the GWS Giants will flop within five years, though.

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    • SimonFromLakemba says:

      09:05am | 15/02/12

      They use so many different variable when coming to their conclusions. I think one used cost of bread etc?

      Singapore’s real estate along with Hong Kong is way more expensive than Sydney, likewise so is New York in Manhattan.

      In regards to Sydney vs Melbourne, Sydney is a lot more in your face. Whenever I go to Melbourne I get bored easily and find it very subdued.

    • Carol says:

      09:52am | 15/02/12

      Quite frankly I feel this cost issue is BS, having lived in both Sydney and
      Melbourne, now living three hours out of Brisbane, I see little difference
      in the cost of living.  It’s a case of swings and roundabouts, the fact is
      many things are more expensive in the bush.

    • TheBrad says:

      10:03am | 15/02/12

      You can tell a lot about a state by their morning radio breakfast shows - If Sydney is in your face & Melbourne is a yawn… then its never more exemplified by Sydney having Kyle Sandilands Melbourne having Red Symons.

    • SimonFromLakemba says:

      10:19am | 15/02/12

      @TheBrad

      Good point.

    • Ben says:

      12:33pm | 15/02/12

      The Livability index is flawed - I have lived in 3 of the top 10 cities, Sydney (grew up), Melbourne (3 years) and Vancouver (2 years).... Vancouver is incredibly expensive, the average wage is half that of Sydney, yet real estate and the price of a pint or big mac are the same. It is easier to save for a USA holiday in Sydney (including flights) than to do the same in Vancouver.

      The Melbourne Sydney rivalry is healthy, we don’t bomb each other, we just want to talk down to the other….. At the end of the day I think we hate each other because when we visit each others cities its hard to find our game on tv.

      By the way GWS will definately fail, but they will just move it to Canberra, that was their intention all the time. Canberra is full of Victorians as is the Gold Coast. They aren’t new fans, they are the same old ones.

    • acotrel says:

      05:28am | 16/02/12

      @The Brad
      Red Symons is highly intelligent, is that the basis for your comparison ?

    • AdamC says:

      09:09am | 15/02/12

      This Melburnian openly admits to enjoying Sydney. Actually, this Melburnian is in Sydney this very moment. (Unfortunately, he is travelling for work, rather than pleasure.) I thought this was a great article. Melbourne and Sydney are similar, and I like both of them. If I couldn’t live in Melbourne, I would live in Sydney.

      And, while you are right about Melbourne’s civic insecurity, you Sydneyites are catching up. If I had a dollar for every time a Sydneysider insisted that this whole rivalry thing is just a one-sided fixation of Melburnians, I wouldn’t have to travel for work ever again!

    • john says:

      10:03am | 15/02/12

      @Adam “that this whole rivalry thing is just a one-sided fixation of Melburnians”

      Sure is. Melbourne historically is also a harbour city, the Yarra river had ships steam in right up to the CBD and the docklands on the western side of the CBD also functioned as a port for very large ships.

      Its greatest and its most significant asset has been down sized with low spanned bridges over the Yarra river and choked off ship traffic. which could have evolved into a ferry service to rival Sydney’s The docklands to the west has been choked off as well. This is a missed opportunity to bring in ferry and cruise liners right into the CBD area, instead has been downsized to pleasure boat moorings.

      Melbourne is missing out on a rapidly growing modern cruise liner business that is a boom to the economy as seen from the reports below:

      http://www.sydneyports.com.au/port_operations/cruising

      http://www.nsw.gov.au/sites/default/files/CARNIVAL_AUSTRALIA_BarangarooReviewSubmission_110620.pdf

      http://www.infrastructureaustralia.gov.au/public_submissions/published/files/338_carnivalaustralia_SUB.pdf

      Its not too late for Melbourne to change its infrastructure to bring in the Giant cruise ships right into the city and why not since the number of ports worth visiting in the southern hemisphere is very limited. Perhaps also redesigning the development of Victoria Harbour may also help.

    • Pfft says:

      04:37pm | 15/02/12

      How does anyone declare a city like Melbourne with an open sewer running through the middle the most livable city,obviously never visited Perth

    • James says:

      09:15am | 15/02/12

      How can Melbourne have been claiming the title of the “World’s Most Liveable City” forever when it only earned that title from The Economist Group in 2011?

      And indeed when one considers the evident anglophone bias over at The Economist—of the Top 10 cities, four are Australian, three Canadian, and one from New Zealand—the award becomes not so much gratifying as mildly embarrassing.

      The truth is that neither Melbourne or Sydney are particularly noteworthy cities.

    • EA says:

      10:50am | 15/02/12

      Because 2011 wasn’t the first time, James?

    • SteveKAG says:

      11:14am | 15/02/12

      @JamesIt has earned that title 3 times, 2011 is just hte latest group and it doesn’t claim anything, it is awarded the title…...

      @ the wanker who wrote this article; this is such a stupid, stupid article written by a stupid, stupid sydney sider who has done everything in the article to claim the best of Melbourne and try and find a suitable equivelent and completely discounts that the best that Sydney has to offer does not come close to matching up to the worst that Melbourne has to offer…..
      I live this one line from a person who has just written a very long article bagging Melbourne…..

      Wait for it…........... “and its incessant bagging of Sydney”

      Mate do you proof read your own articles???

      I live in Melbourne, i love visiting Sydney but that is all, no way would i ever live there, you have NO culture, your city is more racist than tthe KKK, just because you have the Lebanese mate does nto make you multicultural, we have every nationality and we assimilate, we don’t fight and riot each other on the beaches,......
      I will take your western subrubs and put them against mine any day and see who comes out on top!

      Sport, yep we had the olympics too but after you have had the Olympics what else have you got?  You even try to claim Bathurst and guess what it aint in Sydney!  We have no insecurities to go to sporting matches, we go because we are filled with fun and passion….....plus we can get to our groudns really easily, after you climb over the derro’s and cockraoches at your suburban train stations it take two hours min to get to your main grounds…...pfft i would stay at home too if i had to do that.

      Food, wine, reastaraunts, arts, culture, comedy, theatre, sports, major events, the tallest building in the country, the safest bridge in the country….....sorry but you cannot compete with a pretty harbour and a coat hanger bridge bult 80 years ago.

      Your city is a dud, you guys are wankers, the only good thing are your women, until they speak! Our women hold conversations, yep that’s rigth pretty to look at and they talk!

      We even have a better mafia than you lot up there, although somewhat sdiminished in recent years, what’s left are still better than yours.

      There is no competition, it is only in your eyes. All you sydney siders should stay exactly where you are….......we don’t need you, give me a Greek, Italian, Scottish, English, Indian, Pakistani, African immigrant before someone from the north anyday of the year…......

      Melbourne is the best #1…........get over it!

    • andrew says:

      12:24pm | 15/02/12

      SteveKAG, i think you just proved the authors opinion from your rant - melbournians are insecure, and then throwing out childish, petty insults.  ps i dont live in either melbourne or sydney.

      isnt there race issues every year at the australian tennis open?  i didnt hear about any his year but nearly every other year for last decade there has been mini riots.

    • redvixen says:

      12:29pm | 15/02/12

      @ SteveKAG - I’m so glad I’ve never met some-one like you on the many enjoyable visits I’ve had in Melbourne. What a toxic attitude toward your fellow Australians.  Especially likening them to the KKK.

      And as for “we don’t fight and riot each other on the beaches” - no, you don’t.  You wait until the world sporting media’s cameras are pointing at the Australian Open tennis and do it there.  Glass houses, stones, you know how it goes.

    • bella starkey says:

      12:34pm | 15/02/12

      .......... bro, chill…...

    • Pete from Sydney/Melbourne says:

      07:33am | 16/02/12

      the derro’s and the cockroaches….SteveKAG that was awesome.

      Lived in both cities, 10 years in Sydney and the rest in Melbourne…there isn’t much differnce, if you don’t live on the harbour then the streets are pretty much the same….

    • john says:

      09:15am | 15/02/12

      We are one up in Sydney , you forgot to mention we have more strays in Sydney…..stray bullets that is. Perhaps people here watch too much underbelly.

    • scott b says:

      02:54pm | 19/02/12

      You do know what cities gang warfare underbelly was originally based on, right?

    • Danny B says:

      09:19am | 15/02/12

      Meanwhile, the rest of Australia settles back with a beer and box of popcorn… grin

    • Jingo says:

      09:45am | 15/02/12

      Perth 13th on the list.
      Thanks for not telling anyone Ant.
      We don’t need any more people coming over here.
      There’s enough already in the pipeline.
      http://tinyurl.com/7twk4xw

    • fml says:

      11:47am | 15/02/12

      I reckon perth much more expensive than sydney or melbourne.

    • Wynston Cruso says:

      02:17pm | 15/02/12

      I don’t get why they bitch and moan at each other to begin with. This so called rivalry is akin to the ‘my dad could beat your dad’ argument that I recall having in grade 3, and again in grade 5. I’m glad I live in Perth, even though nothing gets done because the idea of change scares all the old people.

    • James1 says:

      02:19pm | 15/02/12

      Hey don’t forget Canberra.  All the expense of living in a major city, with almost none of the convenience…

    • Wynston Cruso says:

      03:22pm | 15/02/12

      Hehe so true James1, I was there recently to visit family. I couldn’t help thinking that it would be a great place to retire, if you could afford it. I recall driving around in ‘peak hour’ in the City centre as soon as we got off the plane and it blew my mind how few cars were on the road. We didn’t get much time to explore, although I was warned about going anywhere near the cube after dark.

    • SimonFromLakemba says:

      03:46pm | 15/02/12

      @Wynston Cruso

      The cube? you mean the flashy thing?

      There is a gay nightclub in Canberra called ‘Cube’ always going off after dark wink

    • Wynston Cruso says:

      05:56pm | 15/02/12

      Yeah that might be the one, although we did drive past a weird cube thing next to a bus interchange. That makes sense though, because the tone of the warning wasn’t so much ‘stay away from there if you don’t want to get bashed’ but more like ‘stay away from there if you’re not wearing a fish net singlet and / or sequin pants’.

    • Bill says:

      09:21am | 15/02/12

      Anthony, as usual you have proven yourself to be a complete idiot. Your hatred of Melbourne only hides your envy that you don’t live here. I’m not going to waste my time proving your ridiculous claims wrong.

    • SimonFromLakemba says:

      09:49am | 15/02/12

      On fire with your usual pointless posts I see Bill.

      How you can turn an article like this into a personal insult amazes me.

    • Jeremy says:

      09:55am | 15/02/12

      Way to be insecure, Bill. Damn, I hope you’re being sarcastic : )

    • SRI says:

      10:02am | 15/02/12

      Mate have a Bex and a lie down. If you’re a typical Melbournian this Brisbanite reckons you can keep it.

      The article was light-hearted and humourous. Thanks.

    • Bill says:

      10:11am | 15/02/12

      @ Simon from where?  - How you don’t understand that this article is yet another from a nobody Sydney journo whose sense of self is threatened by the mere existence of people from another (much better) city amazes me.

      Here in Melbourne we are accustomed to Sydney people constantly knocking us just to assuage their own insecurities. Usually we just laugh it off and enjoy life, but sometimes an idiot journo like Sharwood needs to be put in his place. As do the wankers from your pathetic town.

    • SimonFromLakemba says:

      10:29am | 15/02/12

      @Bill

      Keep it going, you are on a roll.

    • Bill says:

      10:34am | 15/02/12

      @ Simon - is that the best response you have? Clearly you have run out of ideas. BTW, why don’t you tell us which city you are from.

    • Weary says:

      10:59am | 15/02/12

      I’ve never seen Dill spelled with a B.

    • Swingdog says:

      11:04am | 15/02/12

      He’s called SimonFromLakemba.

      I’m guessing Adelaide, Bill.

    • Steve Perry says:

      11:08am | 15/02/12

      @ Bill - *facepalm*

      So you won’t waste your time proving his ridiculous claims wrong, but you will happily waste your time bagging him - and every other person out… Well done champ…

      This one clearly went straight over your head. Take your little boy pants off and put on your big boy pants, stop the tantrums, and have another read. It’s a light-hearted article meant for a bit of a laugh…

    • SimonFromLakemba says:

      11:22am | 15/02/12

      @Bill

      I live in Sydney, was raised in Canberra.

      What do you mean my best response? both of yours have been to slag Anthony and people from Sydney off.

    • SteveKAG says:

      01:01pm | 15/02/12

      I am with you 100% on this one BIll…...........Can’t believe i just said that.

    • Pat says:

      01:45pm | 15/02/12

      Sydney , a place perhaps to visit….but onl;y more so, when you are reassured you also have a exit ticket to leave it, all behind. Its streets are but mazes of winding up and down dale cattle tracks. Its Harbour ... a massive obstacle to easy commuting… its Opera House a opera House that is anything but ! Need one go on…

    • Mel says:

      02:19pm | 15/02/12

      Oh my….. REALLY?

      They’re only cities….. where you choose to live, you choose to live. I can’t believe how worked up everybody gets about this ‘arguement’.

      Sad sad lives if all you can do is accuse people that a hatred of a city only hides their envy. Pfffft.

    • Amanda says:

      03:29pm | 16/02/12

      Melbourne & Sydney have nothing on the cities that ARE cultural overseas. Hands down. The two cities are just a cocktail of cultures that have been mingled together due to Australia’s lack of identity. What is your answer to “What do Australian’s do?” Drink beer? Pub crawl? BBQ? Maaateee, like no other country does that? Those who are ranting on about this argument clearly have yet to take a trip outside of this isolated island.

    • James says:

      09:23am | 15/02/12

      Going to Sydney is like going to a third world city, nice inner core then sprawling slum as far as they eye can see also the roads are in a real state.

      There are differences but I agree they both fall into the catagory of rip-off-ville.

    • HappyCynic says:

      10:54am | 15/02/12

      That’s why you don’t leave the inner core smile

      Seriously in 10 years of living in Sydney I think I’ve been as far west as Parramatta a grand total of once and that was just to see if it was as bad as everyone says it is smile

      Melbourne’s no better, indeed all cities in Australia are the same, once you reach the 10km border (5km in the minor cities) it’s nothing but hideous, over-priced houses as far as the eye can see.

      I prefer Sydney to Melbourne, if I’m honest, but that’s only because the beaches are better than Melbourne’s inner city beaches.

    • Stephanie says:

      11:01am | 15/02/12

      James - you have clearly never been in a real third-world slum ... and as an immigrant from Johannesburg, which is made up of shanty towns and slums ( they call them townships and locations) interspersed in between the suburbs,  housing estates , and any open space in the CBD   , I find your comments about Sydney and Melbourne most amusing.

    • James says:

      01:00pm | 15/02/12

      Stephanie sorry, yes by slum I mean hideous ugly wasteland.  Jo-burg is an interesting point of comparison as it is just about the last place on earth I would live so yes by that abysmal standard Sydney is relatively good.

      I would say this Sydney Harbour area is the best, then comes Melbourne inner city, then Melbourne suburbs then the Sydney suburban clusterf*ck.

    • RED says:

      09:25am | 15/02/12

      I just wish you would all stay down there in your Mexican states and stop flooding north.

    • David says:

      02:58pm | 15/02/12

      @Red

      Please refer to comments made elsewhere in this section re Queensland.

    • Richard M says:

      09:27am | 15/02/12

      As someone who lives in neither. I must say I enjoy Melbourne much more as a place to visit.  The fact that Sydney has the beautiful Harbour and beaches has made it lazy.  It isn’t nearly as creative as Melbourne, which is now a vibrant, exciting city with great restaurants, bars, alley-ways, cultural precincts and, most of all, city design and public transport which makes it easy to move around in.  Sydney, on the other hand, is a shambles - overcrowded and chaotic.  Nothing works very well, compared to Melbourne, and you need to leave several hours free to get anywhere.  For example, try getting to and from the SCG for a sporting event, compared to the ease of access and egress from the the MCG.
      And finally, of course, and most importantly of all, Melbourne has easy access to the greatest game in the world, AFL.

    • redvixen says:

      10:17am | 15/02/12

      @ Richard M - AFL aside, I do tend to agree with you.  I’ll take any opportunity to visit Melbourne but I have to have a specific reason to go to Sydney.

    • Jeremy Smith says:

      10:59am | 15/02/12

      The game is not AFL - it’s Australian football.  The AFL is the corporate body which runs the most of prominent competition.  The two should not be confused. Only one of them has a soul.

    • Oh dear. says:

      09:27am | 15/02/12

      “Sydney is more individualistic”

      The line that lost a decent article all credibility.

      Individualism is a crime in NSW.

      I ask you one thing. On a warm day count how many women have blonde hair and are wearing cut-off blue denim short shorts.

      My mate and I did this last month in 1hr in CBD we counted 103.

    • Fred says:

      09:42am | 15/02/12

      I agree. There’s probably only a few categories that people in Sydney fit in.

      Being a pretentious idiot is at the core of all of them.

    • Super D says:

      09:42am | 15/02/12

      Damn Sydney with its too many hot blondes….

    • SimonFromLakemba says:

      09:51am | 15/02/12

      As far as a problem goes, having blondes in short shorts wouldn’t be high on my list wink

      I guess that’s the beauty of Sydney, we have the weather where you can wear those shorts, unlike Melbourne.

    • iansand says:

      10:08am | 15/02/12

      Cut off denim shorts is a negative?  Wanders off to be re-calibrated.

    • T says:

      12:01pm | 15/02/12

      “I ask you one thing. On a warm day count how many women have blonde hair and are wearing cut-off blue denim short shorts.”

      are you male or female? Depending on which a reply would go something like this.

      Woman - Jealous

      Man - Count the darker haired females next time, you will find the number is tripled. You just see more blonde haired girls as they stand out more. Being blonde and wearing shorts on a hot day doesn’t make you a sheep.

    • Court says:

      12:13pm | 15/02/12

      You are forgetting @SimonFromLakemba that it has rained nearly every day for the past 2 months in Sydney while Melbourne has had a fantastic summer.

    • SimonFromLakemba says:

      12:22pm | 15/02/12

      @Court

      Yes a big once off. I will be happy to compare Sydney’s weather to Melbourne’s any day.

    • Bob says:

      09:29am | 15/02/12

      From neither NSW or Victoria. Lived in both Sydney and Melbourne. Prefer Sydney by a wide margin. Many reasons, one which may surprise: Sydney people are much friendlier and down to earth.

    • Sarah says:

      01:36pm | 26/02/12

      I agree. Not from either, but have lived in both.  I by far prefer Sydney over Melbourne and for the same reason.  Sydney people are more welcoming/ friendly/ nice.

    • GB says:

      09:33am | 15/02/12

      You were going so well there Ant but I knew you couldn’t resist your little Melbourne dig. So what if they proclaim “World’s Most Livable City” endlessly? I have absolutely no doubt Sydney would do the same if they were ever bestowed that honour. How long were NSW Number plates proclaiming “NSW-THE PREMIER STATE” for? Did people from interstate need reminding or was it just “insecurity” on NSW part? No argument on the waterways. Sydney’s make pretty much any city in the world’s look like sewers in comparison. As somebody from Brisbane I like visiting both cities, for different reasons but if I had to pick one it would be Melbourne. Sorry.

    • marley says:

      10:30am | 15/02/12

      Actually, as far as waterways go, I’d say Sydney would get a fair bit of competition from Hong Kong, Vancouver, possibly Istanbul, Amsterdam and Copenhagen.  And the biggest mistake ever made was to cut off Circular Quay rom the city by putting the rail line between them.

    • TC says:

      10:47am | 15/02/12

      What about those queensland plates that stated they were “the smart state”.

      lol, that was the joke of the century!

    • SimonFromLakemba says:

      11:30am | 15/02/12

      @TC

      Lol, with you there.

      @Marley

      All down to a matter of opinion. I’d say that Sydney still beats them but Istanbul does have a beautiful waterway.

    • GB says:

      01:36pm | 15/02/12

      @TC. LOL! I can’t argue with that. As an aside, they couldn’t give those plates away! Everytime you registered a car they’d ask you do you want “Smart State” or “Sunshine State”. About 95% of customers would say “I’ll have Sunshine State thanks”. I can’t be certain and one of my fellow Banane Benders may confirm but I think they sh*tcanned them after about 2 years. Another stroke of Peter Beattie genius!

    • Richo says:

      07:13pm | 15/02/12

      The new WA plates have been released: ‘WA - now with late night shopping!’ Ahh good old Perth, we may be a laughing stock with our backwards way of life, but I wouldn’t want to live anywhere else. Even if our town planners should have been sent out to the pasture 20 years ago.

    • Bill says:

      09:35am | 15/02/12

      What a complete tool the writer is. Making stereotypes such as people from Melbourne ‘hang out with people who dress similarly’? Any proof to this, Anthony? I’ve lived in Melbourne for 40 years and I’ve NEVER seen this anywhere. And what’s wrong with being proclaimed the world’s most liveable city? Should we be embarrassed that we have the world’s best quality of life?

      I notice that Sydney people still trade on the 2000 olympics as being the zenith of their city’s achievements, even though it was almost a generation ago.

      As for Melbourne’s waterways being sewers? Again, Anthony, offer some proof or offer an apology.

    • SimonFromLakemba says:

      09:53am | 15/02/12

      I wouldn’t call the Yarra a sparkling waterway. Calling your waterways a sewer was a throw-away line for people with humour, obviously you missed it.

    • Bill says:

      10:31am | 15/02/12

      @ Simon from lakeba - have you ever visited the Yarra river to justify your ridiculous claims? The river is used extensively by thousands of people every day including the gold medal winning awesome foursome rowers.

      Before you post any more crap, I suggest you educate yourself before embarrassing yourself further.

    • SimonFromLakemba says:

      11:32am | 15/02/12

      Yes Bill I have, numerous times. Too me its a dirty brown river.

    • bella starkey says:

      11:58am | 15/02/12

      @ Bill:

      People go rowing on the Thames as well but I wouldn’t swim in it either.

    • andrew says:

      12:29pm | 15/02/12

      Bill, you bag Sydney for holding the 2000 games as their zenith achievements, but then you claim that Yarra is supberb becuase the Oarsome Foursome row on it?  The original foursome havent one gold since 1996 - four years before the sydney games…..........????.....

      just because people use a water way, doesnt make it a pretty waterway.

      i dont live in either sydney or melbourne.

    • andrew says:

      12:48pm | 15/02/12

      * one = won

    • David says:

      03:26pm | 15/02/12

      @Bill

      Asking for proof that the Yarra river is like a sewer is like asking for proof that the sky is blue.

    • John says:

      09:36am | 15/02/12

      For those of us who don’t live in Sydney or Melbourne, it is worth pointing out to those who do that there is more to Australia than Sydney and Melbourne!

    • Mel says:

      10:06am | 15/02/12

      Agreed and I currently live in Melbourne.  I was raised in Perth and lived 3 years in Brisbane. Have visited every city in Australia I would like to say that they all have good points and bad points and are all just as good as each other. The worst thing about all of them is the certain people who live there that want to fight about their city being better etc. It’s pathetic. We are all Australian, be proud and enjoy of all our cities and the unique things each one has to offer. There is nothing I can’t stand more than someone who says bad things about cities that they have never even visted and experienced. Get out of your bubble and see Australia instead of just dragging places down so you feel better about not stepping outside your comfort zone.

      Sorry, went off on a little tangent there.

    • MikeS says:

      12:27pm | 15/02/12

      Mel I’m pretty sure I love you.

      I think you should return to Perth immediately and marry me.

      Well Said

    • Mel says:

      01:56pm | 15/02/12

      MikeS - Hmmm I do miss the Perth sunshine… count me in wink

    • Tchom says:

      09:41am | 15/02/12

      “you have to be a criminal or a real estate speculator to afford to live here”

      Still struggling to work out the difference between criminals and real estate speculators

    • SimonFromLakemba says:

      09:54am | 15/02/12

      OI! :(

    • Jeremy says:

      10:00am | 15/02/12

      I never understand this ‘no one can afford to live here BS’. I live on an average wage and live by myself at pricey Newport Beach on the northern beaches. I live well and go out several times a week, and have plenty of money to buy nice things. I could save heaps on rent by moving to Pennant Hills but I like the lifestyle up here.
      What the hell are the complainants doing wrong? Or did you really need 4 extra bathrooms and 2 studies in your suburban mansion?

    • Tchom says:

      10:18am | 15/02/12

      haha Just kidding, gents.

    • iansand says:

      09:45am | 15/02/12

      Liveable city - City most like eating a home delivered pizza wearing trackie dacks and ugh boots.

      Exciting cities are not liveable - they are exciting.

    • Soos says:

      11:09am | 15/02/12

      Why would anyone, living anywhere, order, let alone eat, trackie dacks and ugh(sic) boots on their pizza!!

    • iansand says:

      11:33am | 15/02/12

      You will have to ask someone from Melbourne.

    • Mel says:

      12:18pm | 15/02/12

      Who hangs out at home eating pizza in their trackpants. And who even owns ugh boots? Gross.

    • iansand says:

      12:42pm | 15/02/12

      I think Mel has cottoned on to my point.  “Liveable” is hardly a positive.

    • iansand says:

      12:42pm | 15/02/12

      I think Mel has cottoned on to my point.  “Liveable” is hardly a positive.

    • Peter says:

      09:47am | 15/02/12

      Please stop!!!

      I can’t take hearing anymore of your 1st world problems…..

      So, tragic.

    • Gregg says:

      09:49am | 15/02/12

      Sydney does have a tram like service btw, one that takes you from Central Station down to wherever, and then of course there’s the Monorail.

      And Ant, the MCG, just no ground like it
      Sydney has Brett Lee, still huge in India is he? while Little India out Dandenong way are whinging about new developments that might threaten their shopping precinct, all 100 metres of it, about 50 metres either side of a street possibly, one shop having been there all of 12 years!

      And you do have the Aussie cricket captain and who of course could forget Lara and Max!

      I heard Kylie has a house that backs on to the beach around there near Lady Jane, Camp Cove is it and there could even be a few more notables for dosn’t Nicole also have one and hey!, lets not forget the other red head who currently has a harbourside residence at her disposal.

      Surely, with all those Harbour mansions, you must have a few people of import to list Ant, even Russel and didn’t he have a finger in it or something on the finger wharf, South Sydney stalwart he is.

    • Dan says:

      09:53am | 15/02/12

      funny how this article started with the assertion that Melbourne and Sydney are equal, and then ended it with bagging Melbourne - especially with “Melburnians are insecure” and “Melbourne’s waterways are like sewers” both of which are untrue. Just grow up.

    • Oh dear says:

      10:05am | 15/02/12

      Let’s be real there’s only two genuine cities.

      The Capital of the New World - New York
      The Capital of the Old World - London

      They are creative, political, academic, social and for hundreds of years financial powerhouses, whose effect on the world is immeasurable.

      Everyone else is playing at it. Whilst other cities may have no desire to be like London or New York, one look at the affections, speech, attitudes and culture of many in Sydney and the influence is dripping of them.

      Have you ever noticed how the Australian accent is dying out in Sydney as it becomes more and more Americanised? 

      Have you ever noticed how impersonal Sydney is becoming in its quest for more big city style London attitude? Ever noticed how we jump on the cycling lane thing after Boris bikes in London.

      One look at Sydney women on a night out and they are play acting SATC.

      Name on thing we have given to the world that they have copied? One single element of our culture? Just one?

      We have a fantastic lifestyle but we are by nature followers not leaders.

    • Stud says:

      11:22am | 15/02/12

      Mad Max, lawnmowers, underwater cameras.

    • fml says:

      11:52am | 15/02/12

      pavlova and lamingtons

    • Court says:

      12:21pm | 15/02/12

      I agree. Melbourne and Sydney combined would still have nothing on New York or London.

    • Anne71 says:

      12:35pm | 15/02/12

      Could not agree more, Oh Dear.  How do we know that London and New York are true international cities? Because their respective inhabitants don’t feel the need to constantly tell everybody else how international they are.

    • sunny says:

      12:52pm | 15/02/12

      .. Hill’s Hoist, didgeridoos, ugg boots, zinc cream, wombats..

    • Arnold Layne says:

      01:55pm | 15/02/12

      Never been to Paris then?

    • sunny says:

      03:12pm | 15/02/12

      Yeah I’ve been to Paris but I’ve never been to me.

    • Elle says:

      10:09am | 15/02/12

      Sydney and Melbourne have another thing in common too - they’re both shit. As is Brisbane where I live.

      OK, let’s just face it - Australia is an uninteresting hole

    • M says:

      12:31pm | 15/02/12

      I’ve just moved to Brisbane, and I rate it over Perth, rAdelaide, and Sydney.

    • Dan Webster says:

      10:14am | 15/02/12

      Both snob cities that love themselves to death.
      Don’t bother living there if you are pretentious as they are full of that already.

      Why does everyone come to live in Brisbane ?
      (and then complain that there is no daylight saving!!)

    • james says:

      10:37am | 15/02/12

      Expensive housing keeps the low lifes out - which can only be a good thing

    • Economist says:

      11:34am | 15/02/12

      James, but from what I’ve read, Canberra’s the most expensive city in Australia now days, for real estate and general living, plenty of low lifes there grin

      So I dispute this study into expensiveness as it only seems to include cities with over a million residents.

    • SimonFromLakemba says:

      12:28pm | 15/02/12

      Canberra is a unique place. Growing up there its almost two different cities. You have the people that work in the Public Service and the ones that don’t. The contrast between the two groups of people is rather amusing, you can generally pick a Public Servant a mile away.

      Its all the tradies and Public Servants pushing the prices up there, you will find it hard to get a 2 bedroom unit in the city circle for under $500k now.

      @Economist

      The low life’s are usually out in the sticks where I grew up, both north and south. Although Canberra does have stupid obsession with putting Government housing all down the main street.

    • SimpleSimon says:

      01:15pm | 15/02/12

      SimonFromLakemba is right (something in the name, perhaps? Lulz), it’s the public service presence in Canberra that pushes housing prices up. And I’m allowed to say that - I am one. The public service presence pushes average salaries in Canberra up quite a bit compared to the rest of the country, and that in turn pushes up the cost of living. Because both are high, the cost of living vs average income isn’t actually as bad as it looks on face value. As long as you’re a public servant.

      The other thing that has pushed house prices up in Canberra is the slow release of land. A few years ago there was huge demand for land and the Government was releasing it very slowly, resulting in prices going very high very quickly, and demand has been steady enough since to keep the prices up. As a home owner, I want it to stay that way, but for people trying to enter the market for the first time it is very difficult.

    • SimonFromLakemba says:

      02:11pm | 15/02/12

      @SimpleSimon

      I was a Real Estate agent selling house and land packages out in Gungahlin, Harrison when it was all being built.

      As much as people want to bag the Government for the land situation they are doing the right thing, the people who purchased out there values would drop like what happens elsewhere around Australia in new developments.

      They are focusing more on units right now which is also smart as the young generation will want to love close to work and wont have to take public transport and as a bonus it will add a bit more activity around the city.

      BTW Sick name, got over being called that by about year 3.

    • Syd says:

      10:37am | 15/02/12

      To many god damn hipsters in Melbourne!!!

    • Jeremy says:

      12:06pm | 15/02/12

      Do you mean faux trendy people or those really low cut jeans that chicks wear?

    • Jeremy says:

      12:09pm | 15/02/12

      Do you mean faux trendy people or those really low cut jeans that chicks wear?

    • Punters Pal says:

      10:40am | 15/02/12

      The problem with this type of surveys is the inevitable calculation of everything in USD. The reason Sydney, Melbourne and Australia comes across so expensive is because compared to basket case economies in US and Europe, our currency is strong compared USD, which is used for most surveys. No doubt, our real estate is overpriced, but I am sure if a similar survey of incomes in USD is done, Australia would be in Top 10 in the world us well.

      As they saying goes: There are lies, damned lies and then there are statistics.

    • MikeS says:

      01:10pm | 15/02/12

      PP,

      Statistics don’t lie. People do.

      It’s not the numbers that are the problem. It’s how they are interpreted and reported that is the issue.

    • James V says:

      10:41am | 15/02/12

      Both pale into sad insignificance compared to London.

      Never heard a Londoner here pump their city up like EVERY single f’n Sydneysider ot Melburnian does.

      If you have to tell people that something is good - it isn’t.

      Your comaprisons between Syd/Melb go equally to all other Aussie cities.

      Have lived in them all and I would say Adel/Perth are almost identical weather, light level and general feel, with Perth being more cashed up and more bogan with Adel more to do around the city and having some incredibly cliquey people.  Also people in Adel and Melb are most similar as both seem to share similar sports passions and a shared knowlege of each state more than others.

      Brisbane is the most boring I lived in.  No beaches, Awful sticky weather just a bit better than Sydney.  Sydney a city that is beautiful by the edges but ghetto like over almost half of it with horrendous ethnic immigration.

      Melbourne I would argue is the best all round city, with Perth/Adel having the best weather of any other cities and prob most potential.

      Brisbane good but horrible position.  Hobart classy and will become exclusive when people OS work it out.

      Goldcoast is good if you live for souped up cars, tattoos, and cheap and nasty housing.  Most the people that live there are pensioners or drug addicts due to there being totally f*ck all culture in the place.

    • bella starkey says:

      11:28am | 15/02/12

      Those fkn horrendous ethnics!!!!

      Immigrating and stuff all over the place!

    • Caesar says:

      10:46am | 15/02/12

      Sydney has right wing shock jocks like Alan Jones and Ray Hadley who are very popular, at least with a sizeable minority of the population. Melbourne has no one like that, apart from the risible Steve Price, whose ratings are so small you need an electron microscope to see them.

      It’s not at all obvious why that should be so, since Melbourne has the Herald Sun, which sells more than Sydney’s Daily Telegraph, even though it is in a smaller market.

    • Mont says:

      10:58am | 15/02/12

      The Herald Sun has Andrew Bolt who puts Jones and Hadley in the shade when it comes to far right nonsense.

    • Eva says:

      11:09am | 15/02/12

      May be something to do with the ease of reading the hun compared to the age when sitting in a cafe. Watch the competition for the hun while the other paper languishes in the rack. All about the size of the paper and the length of time it takes to read. The hun goes nicely with a coffee but the other does not.

    • CMF says:

      10:51am | 15/02/12

      Who cares!  I find the Sydney v Melbourne thing banal.  If either of them were truly great cities, neither of them would bother.  It’s just embarrassing.

    • Ray says:

      11:41am | 15/02/12

      Exactly. Who cares? Only those who keep blathering on with this crap.
      I prefer being an Australian.

    • MDMConnell says:

      10:55am | 15/02/12

      I’d seriously question the comment that Sydneysiders are “less tribal” and “mix more with others”.

      In my experience, Sydney is FAR more socially and culturally tribal than Melbourne. I can’t think of anywhere in Melbourne as blatantly “white bread” as Sutherland Shire, for example.

    • SimonFromLakemba says:

      11:35am | 15/02/12

      That’s true, they love their little piece of paradise down there. If you ever want a bit of fun you go down there and say your from Western Sydney, stirs them up a bit.

    • AdamC says:

      12:00pm | 15/02/12

      True, MDMConnell. Sydney is also much more divided regionally.

    • Jeremy says:

      12:16pm | 15/02/12

      Hell no MDMConnell, the Shire has plenty of different types of bread on offer. If you want to see mono colour just head to the northern peninsula (Mona-Palm Beach). Walk around for a day and you’d be lucky to find 1 or 2 non-whites around.

    • D says:

      10:57am | 15/02/12

      I was recently in a US airport which had large sepia photos of great cities of the world… Rio, Paris, NYC, Sydney….  melbourne doesnt even get a start ~  they’re kidding themselves       Mlb is envious of Syd   Syd doesnt care about Mlb       enjoy your scungey brown river amigos !

    • Super D says:

      11:26am | 15/02/12

      It’s like the East Coast - West Coast rivalry that people outside of WA have never heard of.

      Sydney is envied from the North and envied from the South and indifferent in every direction.

    • Eva says:

      10:57am | 15/02/12

      Having just visited Sydney and seen the long lines of buses sending pollution in to the streets I returned to Melbourne very happy that we have trams and that the pollution is gifted to the rural residents of Victoria where the energy is generated. This one difference alone makes Melbourne more attractive to me.

    • TC says:

      11:01am | 15/02/12

      I’ve always enjoyed my trips to melb but there is one reason I would never live there. I can’t stand the obsession with AFL. Everywhere you go its on the tele, everyone you meet endlessly talks footy and walks around with their silly little club scarfs. It gets really boring really fast.

      What’s the story with this mindless, obsessive behaviour Melbournians? Your game just isnt that good.

    • Courtney says:

      12:27pm | 15/02/12

      Agreed. Try being from here and not giving a crap about football.

    • Wynston Cruso says:

      02:22pm | 15/02/12

      Seriously crap sport, not sure what people see in it. There is nothing resembling strategy, and just looks like a massive clusterfuck of guys running around in circles. In fact I’m pretty sure ‘clusterfuck’ is the collective noun for AFL players.

      I’d wager Perth is just as bad, at least in my circle of friends. Can’t stand the game, wake me up when it goes international or even becomes professional. Even better, don’t wake me.

    • Debs says:

      11:11am | 15/02/12

      The best parts of Australia are well outside of the cities smile

    • marley says:

      12:55pm | 15/02/12

      Absolutely.  I enjoy visiting the cities, but living in them?

    • Mont says:

      01:30pm | 15/02/12

      Couldnt agree more Debs, Im a born and bred Sydneysider and the best times here are getting away to the bush or up/down the coast to explore. I only live in the city because that’s where my work is. The simple fact is no Australian cities are world class, they are relatively dull compared to proper cities around the world. The outback/bush on the other hand is stunning.

    • Ally says:

      11:21am | 15/02/12

      I don’t live in either, but prefer Melbourne as a place to visit. You can stay in a decent hotel right in the CBD for a reasonable price and easily get to a range of sporting, artistic and entertainment venues in a short walk or tram ride.

      My experience of inhabitants of either city is based on a pretty small sample, but again Melbourne wins out. My main experiences with Sydneysiders are meeting the ones that have moved here to Hobart and the prevailing opinion among them is that we’re lucky to have them grace us with their more sophisticated, urbane presence, while they loudly denigrate the place and say how much better Sydney is. It makes me wonder why they bothered moving in the first place.

    • Daniel says:

      11:26am | 15/02/12

      thanks for wasting 2 minutes of my life.

    • Bulldog says:

      11:27am | 15/02/12

      The Sydney - Melbourne rivalry created Canberra, so stop it!!

    • david says:

      11:28am | 15/02/12

      I’ve never heard anyone have the sydney v melbourne discussion. Why are heated comparisons made between the two cities?

    • GirlFrimSurry says:

      11:19pm | 29/03/12

      Not meaning to be rude, but I hope that you are being sarcastic, but if you’re not.  What rock have you been living under?

    • Danke ek von Butcher says:

      11:29am | 15/02/12

      Brisbane still outshines the rest. Gold Coast, Sunshine Coast and Moreton Island all around 1 hour commute. Amazing. Who cares if a beach isnt on Brisbanes door step. It could take you an hour easy from Sydney western suburbs to get to the overcrowded beaches of Sydney.
      1 hour from brisbane gets you to the wide open beaches of the gold coast. Much better. Takes you to the island paradise of Moreton. Takes you to the holiday mecca of sunshine coast. I know where i’d rather be.

    • SimonFromLakemba says:

      12:31pm | 15/02/12

      But the people…..

    • Anne71 says:

      12:44pm | 16/02/12

      @SimonofLakemba “But the people….” what, you’ve met every single person in Brisbane, have you, and none of them come up to your expectations?

    • Farken says:

      11:31am | 15/02/12

      sydney and its people have never gotten over the fact it was never a capital of Australia and has been suffering envy from it

    • Melb says:

      11:40am | 15/02/12

      My 2 cents:  to me difference between the two cities was summed up by an international friend who had just visited both:  “Sydney makes you feel like you need to have lots of money to go and and do things, Melbourne seems like there is so much just happening around you without needing to be in a certain income band”.  My own observations - i always notice how dirty Melb is after visiting Sydney - all the old buildings dirty as hell….

    • CJ says:

      11:51am | 15/02/12

      There is another major, MAJOR difference which goes to a quintesential Australian pasttime. Going to The Beach.
      From Wanda in the south to Palmy in the north, Sydney is blessed with an astonishing array of beaches. There’s something for everybody. For surfers, there’s a massive number of set-ups - reefs, point breaks, bechies and bommies - that cater to just about every wind and swell direction. Even the Habour and Pittwater to the north have breathtaking fixed and tidal strteches of sand.
      Melbourne does not.

    • sunny says:

      05:56pm | 15/02/12

      What about Bells and the endless number right-hand point breaks on that stretch? ..woops the locals would probably shoot me for mentioning it.

    • Cynicised says:

      12:03pm | 15/02/12

      I’m proud Melburnian who enjoys visiting Sydney and do it regularly, but there’s no way I’d want to live there. Sydney is classless in comparison to Melbourne, which is a vibrant yet cultured place. Sydney is Tart Town, showy and shallow. Melbourne has real depth, which only Melburnians can appreciate fully because we live here and experience the endless goodies on offer. Sydney’s harbour is magnificent, true, but the rest of the place is ugly. The CBD Is a nightmare, just like the roads.

      And please Ant, Sydney isn’t tribal? What a joke! It’s just as tribal as Melbourne, maybe even more so. don’t delude yourself.

      That said, I do enjoy visiting Sydney, but mainly for the people I know who live there, and admitttedly, the beach culture, which is such an integral part of the northern states.

      As you say Ant, we do have much in common, but since you couldn’t resist your dig at Melbourne, it seems only fair that we Melbunians respond in kind!

    • Jeremy says:

      12:22pm | 15/02/12

      So Melbourne is cultured, but only Melbournites can see it? But you visit Sydney and find it classless? Me thinks you yourself answered the question as to why you find it that way…

    • Cynicised says:

      01:47pm | 15/02/12

      Jeremy, yes,  I said Melburnians appreciate our city fully because we live here. Visitors from Sydney and elsewhere don’t have the intimate understanding of out town’s riches that we do. The same probably does apply to Sydneysiders, ie they know their city the best, however, I’ve visited there many times over the years, often for lengthy periods and I’m yet to be impressed by Sydney’s class. If it’s there, it’s well hidden.

    • andye says:

      02:02pm | 15/02/12

      haha @jeremy beat me to it. apparently melbourne is a mysterious and magical place that can only be understood by locals, but anyone can visit sydney and understand all there is on offer.

      i have had people comment like this before: “there is no good [whatever] in sydney!”, and then give the worst possible examples or start talking about a sydney from 20 years ago.

    • Punters Pal says:

      02:23pm | 15/02/12

      There is more culture in a tub of yoghurt than in MCG during Collingwood game.

    • andye says:

      09:20pm | 15/02/12

      “Sydney’s harbour is magnificent, true, but the rest of the place is ugly.”

      Honest question here: are you not aware of how dreary much of Melbourne is? I mean there are some great places near the city… but when you get out a bit it is just as bland as outer Sydney if not more.

      The focus on the harbour always gets me. Sure, it is always there - but lots of people aren’t clinging to the edge of it, nor are they spread out in the mythical bogan lands of the west. It seems to me that there are whole swathes of Sydney that are ignored by most visitors, and they are amongst my favourite parts.

      “Sydney is classless in comparison to Melbourne, which is a vibrant yet cultured place. Sydney is Tart Town, showy and shallow.”

      Tart Town? So… stay in the CBD on your trips? Probably see a lot of stupid drunk girls wobbling on heels, etc…? I try to avoid going out in the city. Too many horrible people.

      Then again the CBD on weekends isn’t exactly “Sydney”. Its just the middle bit. With lots more annoying twats. Just like the ones I found in the middle of Melbourne late at night last time I was there.

      “Melbourne has real depth, which only Melburnians can appreciate fully because we live here and experience the endless goodies on offer.”

      It sounds like an amazing wonderland you have there. I can only assume that goodies are basically falling from the sky. Why worry what those shallow Sydney people think? Enjoy your goodies. Enjoy!

    • Jason says:

      12:03pm | 15/02/12

      So, to summarise your article:
      1. Melbourne and Sydney are similar;
      2. But you really have to agree Sydney is better because of the harbour; and
      3. Melbournians are insecure.

      Well played sir, a highly effective troll.  Leaving aside the argument about which city is actually better, I’ve always made the following observation about the inhabitants (and I live in Melbourne).

      Sydneysiders are convinced their city is the only truly international city in Australia.  Melburnians secretly know in their heart that their city is the centre of the universe.

    • Barzini says:

      12:13pm | 15/02/12

      Just for laughs:

      Melbourne was invented in 1835 by Batman himself, who bargained with the local Aboriginal leaders and bought all the land in the area, in exchange for three blankets, a ginger, the Joker, the Penguin, a Batmobile, and a broken iPod. Melbourne is often known as AC/DCburg outside of Australia, regardless of the fact they have nothing to do with Melbourne, apart from filming a film clip there. Melbourne is the capital city of Greater Greece (Victoria, Greece and Asia Minor.)

    • James Mathews of Virginia, SA says:

      12:16pm | 15/02/12

      Well you know that neither Melbourne or Sydney have the highest up take of international students as you do know that, that is Adelaide with a great private firm called Study Adelaide and that is what both those cities miss the point on, they should be trying to receive more international students than they currently do, but quite frankly I can’t see that Happening.
      Adelaide will grow on the world stage Melbourne and Sydney wont.

    • Barzini says:

      12:29pm | 15/02/12

      Just for Laughs 2:

      Typical Habits of a Melbournian

      Melbournians usually:
      Dislike every video about Sydney on YouTube
      Search up ‘Sydney Vs Melbourne’ and write a five page essay on how much they hate Sydney.
      In a lot of cases, pretend to be tourists who hate Sydney and love Melbourne (obviously not true as tourists (approximate number: 2) can’t come back out of the hole. [Obviously written by a Sydnian]
      Pick on Adelaide. Apparently some Adelaidians believe that their ‘city’ is above demise and has some redeeming features. They though wrong. (It’s a hole)

    • Luke says:

      12:36pm | 15/02/12

      I have lived in both.. Originally from Brissy then Melb for 8 years now Syd for 3 .... I was also just like that Bill guy banging on and on about how crap Sydney is and fabulous Melbourne is (embarrasing) .. I lived in St Kilda and South Yarra and loved it .. I moved to Syd for a job… and I LOVE it .. great beaches awesome weather (most of the time) and lots of opportunity and fun people .. lots of interesting travellers also !! I ate my words and now love both cities… however Sydney is more expensive for sure !!

    • Luke says:

      12:36pm | 15/02/12

      I have lived in both.. Originally from Brissy then Melb for 8 years now Syd for 3 .... I was also just like that Bill guy banging on and on about how crap Sydney is and fabulous Melbourne is (embarrasing) .. I lived in St Kilda and South Yarra and loved it .. I moved to Syd for a job… and I LOVE it .. great beaches awesome weather (most of the time) and lots of opportunity and fun people .. lots of interesting travellers also !! I ate my words and now love both cities… however Sydney is more expensive for sure !!

    • Al says:

      12:40pm | 15/02/12

      After 12 years in Sydney, I moved to Melbourne in 2007. One thing that surprised me is that this supposed rivalry doesn’t seem to be a topic of conversation down here which I think gives the lie to the assertion that Melbourne lacks self confidence. Yet, when I get to Sydney, it’s the number one topic - “What’s it like living in Melbourne? Have you got an all black wardrobe yet?” etc etc. I really like the way Melbourne people throw themselves into things without fear of looking daggy. I actually thinks this shows more self confidence to do something you like without worrying about what others think. Sydney is all about having the right look, being seen in the right places, not being seen in the wrong places or in the wrong clothes or with the wrong people. I love both cities, but I have chosed to live in Melbourne because it suits me. No doubt if I wanted to spend all weekend at the beach working on my tan, I would have stayed in Sydney, Each to his own.

    • M says:

      12:42pm | 15/02/12

      Lol at poster trolling the Mexicans.

      Brisbane is where it’s at people.

    • Pat says:

      01:30pm | 15/02/12

      Brisbane : Part of Queensland - a place where they just tipped the U.,S red neck Deep South map, upside down. and behave the same way.  A land of crazy bigotted bible bangers , quack mail order cures, shonky real estate dealers , and people with hick town mentalities. A place where old silly retirees migrate to ;  to bleach their bones. Whilst waiting their turn in the queue,  for ‘the eternal bone orchard’

    • David says:

      02:47pm | 15/02/12

      Agreed. People pick on Adelaide but at least we have the lowest rate of religiousity of all major urban areas in Australia. Brisbane has one of the highest.

    • The real Michael says:

      01:50pm | 16/02/12

      Pat says:
      Brisbane : Part of Queensland - a place where they just tipped the U.,S red neck Deep South map, upside down. and behave the same way.  A land of crazy bigotted bible bangers , quack mail order cures, shonky real estate dealers , and people with hick town mentalities.

      Your joking right?
      I don’t remember the last time I heard of race riots going on up here. But the hate aimed against different cultures in each Melbourne and Sydney make the rest of the country embarrassed (Indians/Sudanese and Lebonese) But please stay where you are all you latte sipping or chapagne drinking people living in your racist, overcrowded, expensive, dreary, dirty city. And leave the rest of the people enjoy the best parts of this country.

    • Your Welcome in Whale says:

      12:54pm | 15/02/12

      You can only live in Sydney and Melbourne if you have government housing.
      So Melbourne is as bad as Sydney and Sydney is as good as Melbourne.
      Melbourne will see two Melbourne Clubs in the Aussie rules Grand Final but Sydney will not see two Melbourne teams in the Rugby League grand Final!

    • MIk says:

      01:02pm | 15/02/12

      Fantastic, I was just reading this line “Sydney people willingly visit Melbourne at every opportunity, especially when Jetstar has no cheap fares to Launceston or Adelaide.” and guess what, a jetstar advert came on advertising airfares to Sydney for only $35.00 I kid you not.

    • James says:

      01:06pm | 15/02/12

      As a Melbournite I think we have to face facts, Melbourne is going downhill, it used to be much better than Sydney but our State government’s (on both sides) ability to snatch a clusterf*ck from the jaws of a nice city has prevailed.

      We are on a trajectory towards Sydney, the best we can hope for is that their state governments are more incompetant and corrupt than ours so we retain our silly bragging rights.

    • Robert McCormick says:

      01:12pm | 15/02/12

      I can’t believ that Adelaide was so low down on the list at #29!
      Apart from the CBD being the most boring, dusty, unexciting town on Earth it is, though for our ALP politicians you might think that the Adelaide CBD IS all of South Australia.
      South Australia is the Highest Taxing State in the Commonwealth. The ALP have slapped taxes on everything - including Taxes on Taxes..
      Melbourne is the greatest city in Australia & it is worth every cent it costs to live their - but at least one does actually Live.
      Why don’t I go back there? Simple! Family Reasons & I will sacrifice most things for my Family!
      They are building a new $2-3billion hospital but recent reports have shown that the SA Governemtn have picked a site which is so polluted that the place may never, ever be approved for Human Use!. They issued Exploaration Licences to a Mining Company & then at the last minute they declared the area tobe protected from mining forever. That cost us $5 mill. They wanted to develop the tire, old, un-used Port Adelaide & having given all the approvals & declared the area being developed by a Private Company to be “Clean, Green & Safe” it was found not tobe! That cost us manny millions &, according to reports, the builders are talking of suing for hundreds if not 1000s of millions. They planned a great big new Prison (which is where they should all be housed) & then cancelled that too. The cost? Almost $11 million in compensation. SA got Nothing
      Boys & Girls don’t even think about moving to Adelaide on the basis of this report because it simply is wrong. Adelaide must be the most expensive towns to move to in Australia!

    • nuff said says:

      01:19pm | 15/02/12

      This article could only have been written by someone from Sydney.

    • SimpleSimon says:

      01:26pm | 15/02/12

      I live in and love Canberra, and when I have the choice to go to Melbourne or Sydney I take Melbourne every time. For me, Sydney is too fast, too hectic, too mechanical. I enjoy a cup of coffee at circular quay, but even there I feel like I’m always being ushered along. In Melbourne, I always feel that people are happy to take an extra minute to get somewhere, to stop and enjoy their surroundings, and I like that. I also prefer Melbourne’s music scene, architecture, and bars.

    • iansand says:

      02:14pm | 15/02/12

      I see yer problem.  No local would do anything at Circular Quay other than get on or off a ferry.  Overpriced and full of tourists and dodgy buskers.

    • andye says:

      02:16pm | 15/02/12

      “I enjoy a cup of coffee at circular quay”

      Oh, dear. That about says it all really. Next time you go to Sydney, try somewhere other than places that are only full of tourists and overpriced poor quality restaurants and bars.

    • marley says:

      02:46pm | 15/02/12

      @iansand and andye - while I agree with both your comments, isn’t that rather sad?  That the area fronting the harbour and the city is just a tacky, overpriced dump?

    • iansand says:

      03:22pm | 15/02/12

      Marley - It’s not a dump.  It has improved a lot over the last couple of decades.  It’s just that it attracts tourists which attracts price gouging.  Very few locals, in any city, hang out in prime tourist spots.  Would you go to Gas Town in Vancouver, for example?

    • David says:

      01:49pm | 15/02/12

      I’d say that when Sydney farted, Melbourne came out and Melbournians have never got over the fact that the world doesn’t care about them.

    • Cynicised says:

      02:08pm | 15/02/12

      Thank you,  David, for proving my point about Sydney’s lack of class.

    • David says:

      02:15pm | 15/02/12

      Actually, I’m from Adelaide. I am a completely impartial observer.

    • Barzini says:

      01:55pm | 15/02/12

      Melbourne is home to the largest tram network in the world. Often cited as one of the city’s main tourist attractions, despite the fact that it is of no interest to anyone. The tram network is frequently discussed as a method of reducing carbon emissions through greater use of public transport. This fails to take into account less than 7% of journeys are by tram. In addition to this Melbourne also offers some normal trains that run on tracks. They can usually be caught from Flinder’s Street Station when you aren’t being mugged.
      The primary mode of transport in Melbourne is the VL Commodore. 98% of Melbourians own or have owned a VL Commodore at some stage in their lives. It is commonly seen as a rite of passage to own a turbocharged example with a large dose pipe or blow-off valve. It is expected that you perform a “sick” burnout (usually with one wheel) at least every 100 metres. Failure to do so will likely attract attention from the VicRoads & lessen chances of attracting females.


      A morning commuter on the way to work in an amphetamine powered car.
      Another favourite Melbourne pastime is avoiding being hit by large vehicles: “Toorak Tractors”. These and other four wheel drives are needed to get over the suspension smashing, differential scraping, brake wearing, petrol wasting “saftey speed humps” built by councils designed to kill ambulance patients. Try to avoid being hit by one of the unreasonably large Ford Territories so popular on Melbourne streets. Try to avoid being hit by the teenager driving the Plastic Toy Hyundai Excel with lots of stickers, a fat exhaust pipe and a “sick subwoofa, mate”. Try to avoid being hit by the disgruntled middle-age housewife driving her Camry down the footpath on the wrong side of the road. Or for that real Melbourne flavour, try to avoid getting hit by a taxi driven by a foreigner who paid an official back in their home country for a driver’s licence so he can drive a taxi in Melbourne with vast local knowledge (two weeks) in a way that would make Michael Schumacher wet himself.
      Most people have discovered during their travels that the large metal boxes with, ‘Metro’ written on them tend to be either unwilling or unable to stop within 5 seconds and they will hit you so you want to avoid jumping in front of those. They also have a habit of leaving the tracks and following you home, so if you are walking home from the shops and see a 6 carriage train behind you hiding behind trees and bushes it might be best to call the police and they will have it destroyed at the earliest possible opportunity. Don’t even think about travelling on them because their trains are shit! A trait of a true Melburnian is to ask them about Connex. If they go “meh”, they’re obviously from NSW and should be eaten.
      The roads in Melbourne are built to a sensible grid system, rather than the paved six-lane goat tracks of Sydney, which makes escape easier. (The grid is not quite aligned to true north, so the authors of the most popular street map can print it skewed on every one of their hundreds of pages, just to prove they’re so anal they alphabetise their underwear.)

    • Oblivion says:

      03:32pm | 15/02/12

      Lived in both.
      Melbourne = old (historic, cultured)
      Sydney = new (exciting, innovative)
      It’s like not getting along with your parents while in your formative years.

      In general I think Sydney siders are more genuine. There is less pretension, more grit. That being said, Melbournians are better at the art of social conduct.

    • Lauren says:

      03:34pm | 15/02/12

      I’ve lived in Melbourne for the past 6 years and have never once had a discussion with anyone over whether Sydney is shitter than here. Each as upsides & downsides, so who gives a fuck?

      I love Melbourne because I’m originally a country girl, so the city life is just awesome in comparison to my regional upbringing. However, in saying that, I grew up in a town where (although small) we were surrounded by sea, and the beach was only 4 blocks from my house. I miss that, but at the same time I like the diversity, the different cultures and - best of all - the squillions of little bars littered around that Melbourne offers.

      I’ve been to Sydney once and it didn’t jump out as overly special, but to be honest the only place I’ve ever been that made me go ‘holy shit’ was Las Vegas (and I would never want to live there!)

    • stephen says:

      04:32pm | 15/02/12

      They’re both ugly, but only melbourne laneways encourage pasty-faced dilettantes with black-dyed hair who get their networks there ... then it’s off to work.
      Barbeques galore, or if the hebrew smock is worn, it’s anywhere.

      People there don’t spend enough time outdoors.
      They like green things, the deciduous is private school, (latinate is really Primate, but don’t tell anyone in Fitzroy that) and it’s stiff arms and don’t look sideways when you drive.
      Camrys.
      The only blood raised in that tinpot town comes from childbirth ... then it’s straight down the drain.
      (The blood I mean.)
      But keep putting in cafes and downstairs takeaways Mr. Premier.
      Eat and drink. This is the cheapest culture you will ever get.

      Melbourne crims love the grime, the darkness, and Northcote.
      And so do we all.

    • John F says:

      05:37pm | 15/02/12

      The cities of Australia all met up at the pub one day, before long Sydney and Melbourne were argueing and it looked like there could be a fight. Brisbane kept interupting and trying to get into the arguement but Sydney and Melbourne brushed Brisbane aside like a 12 year old. Adelaide was sitting in the corner rolling an other joint. Darwin was drunk as a skunk and ready to pass out. Perth was out on the balcony admiring the Sunset and Hobart ! Where the hell is Hobart ? Didnt anyone tell them drinks were on !

    • Robert Smissen of country SA says:

      08:05pm | 15/02/12

      Perth, a livable living city

    • Achmed says:

      07:54am | 16/02/12

      Like others I’ve lived in both and whilst bagging Melbourne was quite common in Sydney, when I moved to Melbourne I found that nobody down there repaid the insults - I don’t believe Melburnians give a toss about Sydney to be frank….other than a nice place to visit to see some iconic landmarks.
      Both cities have their positives and negatives but unlike many places in this world their positives far outweigh the rest. I think we’re very fortunate to have both.

    • Jono says:

      09:25am | 16/02/12

      During the Australian Open, I went to tennis.com to check it out.  Turns out the banner advertising the Australian open had an outline of the Sydney skyline on it. Ha!  Guess it’s more memorable….  wink

    • GirlFromSurry says:

      11:03pm | 29/03/12

      I’m from Sydney and come down to visit Melb maybe 2-3 times a year.  Funny thing I did notice on numerous visits that I only every really hear slag about Sydney while in Melbourne from the locals and when back in Sydney we pretty much say positive things about Melbourne. I’m going to have to agree with Ant here and say that there seems to be some insecurities about Sydney from those Melbournenites I’ve heard the snide comments from about Sydney.  I’d like to say also that I seems to hear these snide little comments about Sydney when I’m in your fashion district.  I’d like to add though that I live in Sydney’s premier food district, but I very very much so enjoy the restaurants I’ve visited while in Melbourne.

 

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