Plain packaging of tobacco products has great potential to reduce the appeal of smoking, particularly among young people, and should be supported if Australians want to see death and disease from tobacco use continue to decline.

You just won't look tough with a packet of these tucked into your rolled-up flannie

Simple, really. But unfortunately the facts have been difficult to read amid the smoke and mirrors, sound and fury. So consider this:

Fact: Glossy, stylised cigarette packets are a valuable marketing tool for attracting new smokers. This has been shown in Cancer Council research and dozens of other Australian and international studies, not to mention documents obtained from tobacco companies.

Fact: The tobacco industry is vehemently opposed to plain packaging. Surely this shows the industry also thinks plain packaging will reduce tobacco consumption?

Fact: The tobacco industry has fought against every policy measure aimed at reducing smoking rates in Australia over the past four decades – measures that have seen tobacco consumption halve in that time, translating to hundreds of thousands of Australians avoiding a premature death from one of the 14 fatal cancer types and other chronic diseases caused by smoking.

Yet here we go again. Same old arguments and misinformation. Most absurd is the claim that plain packaging will not work, while industry-funded retail groups say the expected drop in sales will put them out of business. Huh?

There was similarly confused spin when TV and radio ads for tobacco products were phased out in the 1970s. Ad bans would not work, yet simultaneously they would send businesses broke. Hindsight shows that the bans coincided with a substantial drop in smoking rates – just as behavioural and marketing research predicted they would. Similar analyses point to further reductions in smoking if plain packaging is introduced.

When tobacco sponsorship of Australian sports was also phased out, we were told tobacco consumption would not be affected but Australian sports would die. So what happened? Smoking rates declined further when tobacco was no longer synonymous with major sports. (Remember the Benson and Hedges’ cricket series and rugby league’s Winfield Cup?) And major sporting codes in Australia have since expanded.

For those who say enough’s enough, that tobacco control has been “done” in Australia, a few more facts. Nothing comes close to smoking as a preventable cause of death in Australia. Despite the risks, almost one in five Australians smoke every day. And almost one in five Australian year 12 students smoke every week. While this figure has declined in recent years, it is still alarmingly high when you consider the likelihood that many weekly teenage smokers will become addicted long-term – and that half of them will die prematurely for no other reason.

Plain packaging will eliminate the pack’s capacity to connect with a perceived sense of identity in the young smoker – the tough Marlboro man, the blokey Winfield user, the glamorous Vogue smoker and so on. And false impressions about reduced harm brands communicated through the pack – shown in a large international study to deceive one in five smokers – would also become a thing of the past.

As for banning tobacco instead of restricting advertising, contemplate the practicalities of suddenly outlawing a highly addictive product that has been legally available for centuries and is used daily by three million Australians. Unfeasible.

We need more of what has worked so well to reduce smoking prevalence over the past 35 years – and restrictions to how tobacco is marketed have been among the most effective measures.

If Federal Parliament passes the plain packaging bill, in a few years the sound and fury will be long forgotten and the sight of a glossy cigarette packet will seem as odd as those old TV ads for tobacco products that have long become a historical curiosity. And Australia will have taken another strong step towards eliminating the tragically avoidable disease and early death caused by smoking.

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    • Sarah Bath says:

      05:05am | 20/04/11

      The fact that tobacco is legal and less harmful drugs are not legal is the real issue. Big corporations are making millions from tobacco.  It is heavily taxed yet cannabis is illegal.  The fact that you can grow cannabis and dont need to prop up a multinational corporation is also the issue.
      We would like to see cannabis decriminalized.  While not national policy, our branch is advocating the decriminalisation of all drugs with registered safe injecting rooms that are under the control of hte health department.
      Why should tobacco and alcohol be legal when there are more deaths and crimes committed because of it?

    • CABAL says:

      08:36am | 20/04/11

      its 4:20 today. Smokers Unite

    • n_dude says:

      12:24pm | 20/04/11

      Sarah me thinks you should probably lay off that cannibis you would like to decriminalise for a bit.

    • grumpy old man says:

      12:55pm | 20/04/11

      Is this really the Sarah Bath we have all come to love and admire? no vile, no neocons, I don’t think this is Sarah Bath at all,
      could you tell me how many crimes were committed because of tobacco last year?

    • pants on fire says:

      03:18pm | 20/04/11

      I smoked cannabis one time, but I didn’t inhale.

    • TrueOz says:

      04:29pm | 20/04/11

      No mention of Comrade Fidel Castro and the inequality of the vile import taxes charged by our neocon Government on Cuban cigars? How the f#@k will the continuing people’s revolution be funded…

      Oh no - I just realised - she wants an “Ode to Sarah Bath” article to be written - just like they did for Erik.

    • acotrel says:

      05:53am | 20/04/11

      Tobacco doesn’t exacerbate schizophrenia!  However my father died early from smoking related illness.  I have NO SYMPATHY for the tobacco lobby!

    • Chris says:

      08:22am | 20/04/11

      Did the tobacco companies make your father smoke?? did they put a gun to his head, NO! He smoked out of his own free will and there has been knowledge for decades now that smoking isn’t good for you.

      The reason the tobacco industry is so opposed to this new packaging is because it has the potential to decrease their profits. If you were running a business and someone came in and put in measures to cut your profits i am pretty sure you would campaign to stop them.

      People have to stop blaiming the tobacco companies for making them smoke, its a personal decision so just deal with the consequences

    • acotrel says:

      09:09am | 20/04/11

      @Chris People were not forced to work for James Hardie, and the dangers of blue asbestos were known for decades!  Cigarettes are a dangerous product, the government, manufacturers, and many customers know it.  The habit begins at an early age when people are unable to make adult decisions.  Substances are even added to increase it’s addictive nature. It’s insidious and counterproductive, and should be banned everywhere!

    • Duff says:

      09:14am | 20/04/11

      @Chris - your comment proves exactly the point the author was making.  You say it is our own “free will” that causes us to smoke.  Yet you also say that plain packaging will reduce profits.  How would that be unless packaging increases consumption?  Particularly amongst new smokers and teens.  So, if anything, packaging actually reduces our ‘free will’ to make an intelligent decision about using a harmful substance.

    • Chris says:

      10:08am | 20/04/11

      @acotel if the dangers of asbestos were known for decades then why did these people work with it? Wouldn’t common sense dictate that you stay away from something that can cause you immeasurable pain later in life, and if you did need to work with it would you force your employer to make your working conditions so that you will have no ill effects on your long term health?

      And your point about how the habit begins at an early age when adult decisions are unable to be made is a load of crap. I just turned 20 and have always known that smoking isn’t the best thing for you and have never done it. I have also been offered numerous illicit drugs such as ecstasy, cocaine and marijuana and on a number of occasions this occurred while I was under the influence of alcohol when you are most likely inhibited to try new things and still had the intelligence to make an “Adult Decision” to say no. And it’s not the fancy packaging that attracts kids to smoke or even to ecstasy, they do it because they think it would make them cool. It’s not like there in a 7/11 and sees bright colours on a box and thinks “I MUST HAVE IT”.

      @Duff if you read what I said correctly you would see I said “Has the potential to decrease their profits” not will decrease their profits. As I said before, if the government thinks that changing pretty colours on the packaging will change anything, they got their info from the cancer council (a body against smoking tends to give out really unbiased data, sarcasm if you didn’t pick it) they are thoroughly mistaken. They should get onto the kids about the social stigma of smoking and on girls about how most guys these days find it really unattractive when they see a girl with a ciggy in her mouth it would probably have a greater affect than changing packaging or telling them that smoking is bad. Because guess what they know its bad for them, and they really couldn’t give a s*#t!!

    • John C says:

      05:56am | 20/04/11

      I sometimes feel uncomfortable about anti-smoking moves because I feel that they impinge upon individuall rights but I see no problem whatsoever in requiring plain packaging on cigarette packets. This does not in any way limit the rights of smokers to damage themselves.

    • Against the Man says:

      06:48am | 20/04/11

      Let me see, this plain packaging issue, is going to be the crowning glory of the great Miss Roxon, Health Minister since 2007? All the other f*@k ups from the no 100% take over of health by the government as promised, the Not-So -SuperClinics which is literally bleeding the health budget, the plan to slash research funding and not deliver on the election promise dental scheme and and so forth are clearly forgiven thanks to plain ciggie packaging.

      Let me blow this idea out of the water for the stupid woman. Are you going to ban metal/plastic ciggarette boxs? These are empty boxes. Ciggarette companies will market ‘fashion’ boxes which are perfectly legal and very fashionable, they will have logos and designs and be like fancy phone covers, so kids will buy smokes, dump the plain packaging and carry their ciggies in these very fashionable boxes. It will make smoking even cooler!

      God this government is so inefficient and stupid ! smile

    • TChong says:

      08:02am | 20/04/11

      AtM- I support, nay encorage you to make a principalled stand and smoke as heavily and frequently as you possibly can.
      I’ll bet that’ll give Roxon something to think about, wont it?
      BTW AtM - would / do you encourage your niece to smoke?
      If not, why?

    • Erin says:

      10:04am | 20/04/11

      You’re so clever Against the Man. I’m going to ignore all the research about the effect of marketing on tobacco consumption and follow your lead because you obviously know what you’re talking about.

    • Damocles says:

      10:24am | 20/04/11

      @AtM…..you are are spot on! Plain packaging will create a whole new industry of alternative fashion packaging which young smokers will embrace as being further proof of their “rebellious free nature”!
      “Yeah, look at my cool pack, it gives the finger to all those killjoys who think I shouldn’t smoke. Yeah, I’m young and free, and no one can tell me what to do! I’ve got rights too and I can make my own decisions! So, back off you old farts and let me smoke my cigs!” Plain packaging! BAHH! The more you try to ban them, the more “young adolescents” will see cigarettes as a rebellious statement and a sign of being “cool”!

    • Deena says:

      10:43am | 20/04/11

      TChong you seemed to have missed the point. Why do all the packaging nonsense if there is a way around it all that causes it to become more attractive to smoke.

      In your haste to defend Roxon you have written faster than your brain can compute.

    • TChong says:

      11:18am | 20/04/11

      Dont know Deena, and as AtM knows, this isnt about defending Roxon.
      In fact, in this I’m a true AtM fan.
      AtM has stated Roxon reads and obviosly takes note of what they (AtM ) posts.
      I’m just trying to validate AtMs importance to the issue, and encoraging Roxon,( if she knows whats good for her, and the secret deals she makes with Nuses unions) to not fail to heed AtMs posts.
      Sweet?

    • n_dude says:

      12:30pm | 20/04/11

      Hey that is a great idea. I think I may try and get in on the idea before the tobacco companies do. And BTW, there wouldn’t be anything the govt could do about it.

    • Against the Man says:

      02:37pm | 20/04/11

      Oh TChong, not doing a good job serving your ALP Masters.

      Maybe it is because I have a valid point.

      But I believe in free will, and if my niece wants to smoke and if anybody else wants to, when they are of legal age they should be free to do so. I mean would you stop your niece from posting idiotic comments on The Punch like her Uncle Chongy? smile

      And yes, marijuana use has declined since the hippies switched to plain packaging, I mean if this is the best thing roxon has come up with since ‘07, we have a problem. Since the 70s, smoking rates have vastly decreased and it is MAINLY through education. But education programs cost the government money, plain packaging doesn’t come out of their budget.

      And TChong aka John A NEve, mmmm bothe creepy old man who seem obsessed with my niece. Do I have to inform the AFP about you guys?

    • pants man says:

      04:05pm | 20/04/11

      You’re dammed right AtM, and following your logic, may I add that cigarette packaging is one of the not inconsequential reasons for fatal road accidents. Take for example the feral creature having an alcohol fuelled argument with his bride, running out of fags in the middle of proceedings, having gotten to the local servo 10k away in 2 minutes, unable to see those recognizable brands , grabs a ‘no name’ packet of death and plants the commodore on the way ‘home’. He doesn’t make it, making a right mess of the aforementioned commodore and himself. It follows, that plain packaging causes death.

    • Against the Man says:

      05:23pm | 20/04/11

      pants man…huh wouldn’t it be the alcohol not the ciggies in your example that is the instigating factor?

    • Brian Taylor says:

      07:09am | 20/04/11

      I see sarah is in here too, lol
      Plain packaging of tobacco products has great potential to reduce the appeal of smoking….really paul?
      what a load of rubbish, they said the same thing about those pretty pictures on the pkts didn’t they?
      people still smoke…I still smoke, the pretty photos don’t bother me nor will plain wrapping.

    • Bonnie says:

      08:54am | 20/04/11

      Uhhh, yeah BT, and the graphic images DID help to reduce smoking. Check the facts. These plain boxes aren’t meant to stop you smoking. They’re meant to stop the 14 year old next door from thinking it’s cool to be a Marlboro Man, or the Hipster 16 year old thinking Stuyvesants are the only brand worth smoking…

    • stephen says:

      09:50am | 20/04/11

      But i reckon the price will.
      If Roxon’s plan fails, she can still kick up the tax excise on smokes.
      There’s gotta be a point at the checkout where a smoker willjust think that ‘if i stop smoking 5 packs of the things per week now, at the end of the year the money saved will send me and the family on a good holiday.

    • Brian Taylor says:

      11:17am | 20/04/11

      Bonnie I’ve got seven daughters and I wished like hell none of them smoked but they do, the youngest is 16 and next older one is 17 so yeah, like the pretty photos, never stopped them from taking up smoking, nor will plain wrapping, they don’t want to stay smoking because of the Marlboro Man, or the Hipster 16 year old thinking Stuyvesants are the only brand worth smoking…  they took it up because everyone else was smoking .
      it is a deadly habit as I well know, I’m dying right now from it and as I said before, wished my kids weren’t smoking.

    • bev says:

      12:22pm | 20/04/11

      stephen says:09:50am | 20/04/11

      But i reckon the price will.
      If Roxon’s plan fails, she can still kick up the tax excise on smokes.

      Through out history increasing taxes on addictive substances has never worked EVER.  As the tax increase more and more addicts turn to the black market. It is happening in Australia, custom and the police already have a major problem on their hands with tobacco being shipped in hidden in cargo containers.  Organized crime is already making big money from tobacco and spreading corruption.  More taxation will just exacerbate the problem.

    • kyra smith says:

      12:30pm | 20/04/11

      Kids with parents who smoke are more likely to smoke themselves.
      (Parental smoking and smoking experimentation in childhood increase the risk of being a smoker 20 years later: the Childhood Determinants of Adult Health Study Seana L. Paul1,*, Leigh Blizzard1, George C. Patton2, Terry Dwyer1,3, Alison Venn1Article first published online: 14 APR 2008)
      http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1360-0443.2008.02196.x/full

      Brian if you wished your kids didn’t smoke the best thing you could have done was stop. Conclusions These findings suggest that any childhood smoking experimentation increases the risk of being a smoker 20 years later. As exposure to parental smoking predicted current smoking, parents should be aware of the association between their own smoking behaviour and that of their children.

      Maybe plain packaging would have had a minimal effect on your children’s decision to take up smoking. You had a much larger influence

    • Huey says:

      07:24am | 20/04/11

      “nothing comes close to smoking as a preventable cause of death in Australia”
      Wrong! plain bloody wrong! Alcohol takes that cake every time. Idea..plain packaging for alcohol. Government funded anti - drinking campaigns etc etc. Special drinking rooms, no drinking in public areas, no…wait a minute! it’s all been done shouldn’t be a problem.

    • acotrel says:

      06:29am | 21/04/11

      @Huey ‘Wrong! plain bloody wrong! Alcohol takes that cake every time. ‘

      One usually goes with the other.  How do you distinguish and declare alcohol the winner over cigarettes, in the death stakes?  Are you adding the road toll to the alcohol toll? How many people die with strokes, pnuemonia, and heart attack, compared with liver cancer?

    • Joan says:

      07:30am | 20/04/11

      Plain packaging stop young people smoking? Dream on. Young people buy unknown pillsto pop from people they don’t know at dance parties , anywhere, they buy drugs off the street from strangers to inject or snort…. and grass to puff. None of these come in fancy packaging . And the young swig alcohol…then get into their superfast cars and drive and kill/mame their mates. What are you going to do about all of that? Young live dangerously always have.

    • Tyler says:

      08:57am | 20/04/11

      Except that no-one in history has ever taken their first drag and thought “DELICIOUS! I will do this every day!”

      The first pill you pop is euphoric, the first drink likely to be something mixed with coke, and the first car is an instant shot of independence. The first cigarette is a guaranteed coughing fit. Only marketing, peer pressure and delusions of invincibility keep people on the line long enough to get hooked…

    • Alicia says:

      10:14am | 20/04/11

      I agree, Tyler. The first time I tried smoking as due to peer pressure and wanting to appear ‘cool’. It was horrible. Thankfully I decided it wasn’t worth it smoking to be cool and never took it up fully.

    • Joan says:

      01:23pm | 20/04/11

      People who have such a bad time of smoking first time usually don’t become smokers.  Peer pressure can introduce the young to cigs and to other drugs It` s not the packaging that makes the smoker or the druggy. ...We don’t have cigarette advertising we do have car advertising and alcohol advertising we should ban that type of advertising, ban in store tastings of alcohol etc etc .  and just have Food Shows without the wine or beer. Let`s clean up the act , the killers of young and old , why pick on one group.?

    • deb says:

      07:34am | 20/04/11

      Isnt it about time that this spoilt load of whingers just grew the f@#$k and stopped SMOKING! We all have to give up teddy some time!
      Bugger rights and freedoms,cancer sticks should be banned!

    • CABAL says:

      08:41am | 20/04/11

      Which will force people to buy their smokes from criminals. I dont smoke but I would rather see the profits in the hand of our (woefully inept) government then in the hands of criminal cartels. Or do you also support the drug trade, the arms trade, under age prostitution, etc?

    • fml says:

      09:45am | 20/04/11

      “Bugger rights and freedoms” says the little girl who lives in a democratic country. next you will hear little debbie ban the lot, calling for a ban on alcohol, red meat, fun, books, music.
      little debbie taliban the lot is happy to ban things which don’t affect her freedoms!

    • papachango says:

      12:02pm | 20/04/11

      Yes bugger rights and freedoms, lets take deb out the back and shoot her*

      *Not a death threat. Just illustrating how silly her statement was.

    • CJ Morgan says:

      08:21am | 20/04/11

      I think that the plain-packaging proposal is very likely to be effective in reducing cigarette sales, if the hysterical campaign being waged by Big Tobacco is any indication.

      And I say this as a lifelong smoker.  The cancer peddlers protesteth too much, methinks.

    • sneakers says:

      09:58am | 20/04/11

      “I think that the plain-packaging proposal is very likely to be effective in reducing cigarette sales”

      Technically, that’s correct. I already spend 5 minutes waiting for the service clerk to try and find the correct packet of cigarettes behind the black blockades as it is.

      Most people wouldn’t have the patience.

    • CJ Morgan says:

      12:34pm | 20/04/11

      Which means that the policy will achieve its objective of less people smoking.  Those of us diehards can still satisfy our unhealthy habit legally if we want, with some small inconvenience.

      At the place where I normally buy tobacco and cigs, they know exactly where my brand is located behind the black covers.  I’m sure that won’t change under the new rules.

    • Why smoke when it is so bad for you? says:

      08:47am | 20/04/11

      You’d have to be an idiot to smoke tobacco.

    • mike j says:

      12:31pm | 20/04/11

      Albert Einstein, Thomas Edison, Alexander Graham Bell, Robert Oppenheimer, Edwin Hubble, Sigmund Freud, Isaac Newton, Erwin Schroedinger, Vincent Van Gogh, Auguste Renoir, Pablo Picasso, Leonardo DaVinci, George Orwell, Oscar Wilde, J.R.R. Tolkien, C.S. Lewis, Mark Twain, Ernest Hemingway, Arthur Miller, Barack Obama, Winston Churchill, John F. Kennedy, Joseph Stalin, Ulysses S. Grant, Pope John XXIII.

      Idiots.

    • Echo says:

      08:53am | 20/04/11

      It’s not the packaging we buy the smokes for, some of us have our own cigarette cases that we transfer them into, the pretty images didn’t work, the warnings don’t work.

      what is this bash a smoker week? how many of these articles do we really need? do you feel we are just not getting that it’s bad for us or how about that we don’t care if it is or not??? not all smokers get cancer etc it’s like russian roulette, that’s the fun of the game, wil i get cancer or won’t i?

      They can make a white box with a skull and crossbones on the called Tumors and we will still smoke them

    • hermano says:

      12:07pm | 20/04/11

      Amazing.  Just amazing.

    • Seth Brundle says:

      12:51pm | 20/04/11

      Yes, but you are an established smoker and our society has already written you off.  The plain packaging will (hopefully) prevent young people from following your footsteps.  Then, as you older smokers all die off prematurely, combined with the reduced uptake of smoking, there will eventually be no one left to smoke.

    • Echo says:

      02:37pm | 20/04/11

      and then when there are no more smokers left (not all die prematurely, i know an 80 year great-grandmother in a nursing home that still smokes like a chimney) what will the government heavily tax then?

      young people will still take up the habit, peer pressure is still in evidence and the ‘tough’ kids will bully the weaker ones until they too take up the habit, packaging wont change anything, who really looks at the packet everytime they reach for one? i just reach into my handbag and don’t even look at it.

    • Chinaski says:

      04:08pm | 20/04/11

      Fact: Plain packaging will see cigarette case sales skyrocket.

      I’m sorry, but I have not met one person who smokes because the package is pretty and colourful. We’re not moths.

    • Elphaba says:

      09:03am | 20/04/11

      I’d be interested to see the data on this.  I’m pretty sure kids don’t wake up one day and decide ‘Today I’m going to take up smoking’, and then go into the store where they purchase the most appealing packet.  Most are likely to either steal their parents ciggies, or accept them off a friend.  By the time they’re hooked, it’s not a pretty package driving them to smoke, but an addiction.

      Like I’ve said before, I think the government has done it’s job by banning smoking in public enclosed spaces.  Pretending to care whilst making a profit off cigarettes still doesn’t wash, as far as I’m concerned.

      But hey, give it a go and see what happens.  I do expect to see a resurgence in retro cigarette cases though…

    • T says:

      09:08am | 20/04/11

      “Plain packaging will eliminate the pack’s capacity to connect with a perceived sense of identity in the young smoker – the tough Marlboro man, the blokey Winfield user, the glamorous Vogue smoker and so on.”

      What a load of shit. How can young smokers possibly identify with these images? They haven’t been around for over a decade!
      Fine. Smoking is awful. It’s a killer. But it’s a legal product working in a legal competitive business framework. As such, a brand should be able to differentiate itself from its competition.
      Passing this law sets a horrendously dangerous precedent. Opening up the same course of action for booze, food and anything else the government of the day feels is no longer ‘in the public interest’.

      And Paul, if you’re going to express “YOUR” opinion. At least tell everyone who is PAYING YOU to express it.

      Paul Grogan is the Director of Advocacy (Spin Doctoring) at the Cancer Council.

    • Bonnie says:

      09:49am | 20/04/11

      At least Paul’s title is there for everyone to see on the page. You didn’t have to go and google the cancer council to find out if it was a front group being funded by an undisclosed third party. Julia Novak and the IPA (yesterday’s article on cigarettes) didn’t afford us the same courtesy.

    • T says:

      10:09am | 20/04/11

      Not on the same page Bonnie. Whereas yesterday’s article clearly had the author’s allegiances nailed to the mast below the article.
      By the way, I’m not taking sides. I’m just highlighting the dribbling, ravenous hypocrisy of those who seek the moral high ground.

    • Bonnie says:

      10:23am | 20/04/11

      Actually, yes, on the same page. Where did you find it? I simply scrolled to the bottom, where every Punch author’s title is consistently placed every single day. I didn’t have to google Paul Grogan.

    • T says:

      10:44am | 20/04/11

      Thanks for outing yourself as a Troll, Bonnie.

    • Bonnie says:

      11:24am | 20/04/11

      What’s a troll

    • andy says:

      10:18am | 20/04/11

      i would Classify Obesity as The biggest preventable killer. All you overweight slobs who say dont smoke! ban then! Ohh The atrocity! You dont Have any ground to stand on when Your shovelling big macs in Your mouth. When people lose weight Ill think about listening to Your ignorance.

    • Watcher says:

      10:36am | 20/04/11

      There are so many bubbleheaded do gooders out there it really is quite scary I don’t smoke but yesterday the young girl next door bought me in a cigarette packet she had covered. It is a beautiful thing, she attached a little handle so it looks like a purse and is all jeweled and bedazzled, I am going to put my buttons in it..the reason I am telling you this..is because our kids have already outsmarted you. And I doubt adults would care, they only want what is in the packet

    • mike j says:

      10:39am | 20/04/11

      “Fact: The tobacco industry is vehemently opposed to plain packaging. Surely this shows the industry also thinks plain packaging will reduce tobacco consumption?”

      LMAO. Oh, surely! Unless, of course, they’re worried about protecting their brand and market share, which is what they’ve been saying the whole time.

      “Yet here we go again. Same old arguments and misinformation.”

      Exactly. From anti-smoking simpletons like you.

      “As for banning tobacco instead of restricting advertising ... Unfeasible.”

      Because you don’t want to pay more tax, hypocrite? Rolling age bans, medical prescriptions for tobacco, limiting nicotine content… take your pick.

      Rather than stand on your little soap box here, why don’t you go back through the last half-dozen blogs on smoking and address some of the many issues that have been raised on which the anti-smoking lobby is conveniently silent, knowing they don’t have a moral or ethical leg to stand on.

    • Monty Burns says:

      10:48am | 20/04/11

      let ‘em smoke I say.  Something has to thin out the herd and we can’t all live forever.

      You can’t stop evolution, although the welfare and medical industries will try - whilst plucking our heartstrings and our wallets.

    • Adam says:

      11:28am | 20/04/11

      Since when did drug addicts care what packaging their drug came in? And that’s what smokers are, drug addicts.

    • michael j says:

      05:20pm | 20/04/11

      @Adam- yes you are correct -since the age of 9 , mongrels look what they had done Tobacco companies assets should be sized and the Government complicit in its in action to stop the sale of a deadly product in the free market should also be held to account,,

    • kj_storm says:

      12:11pm | 20/04/11

      Frankly I don’t care. I’m a non smoker. I’m just sick of sitting down with my dinner and one of the anti smoking ads come on tv with ‘this is what a smokers lungs, heart, aorta etc look like’. I don’t smoke I never plan to smoke but do I really have to be watching that on TV?

      So my message. STOP the anti smoking ads that show bodily fluids and parts! Change your advertising government!!!

    • Roger Crook says:

      12:21pm | 20/04/11

      Stand by for the market to be flooded with cigarette cases depicting anything that takes your fancy.
      Just watch.

    • Ben C says:

      12:50pm | 20/04/11

      Plain packaging will do nothing to reduce the rate of smoking - retailers will sort out a system for them to readily identify where they store what brand, and the smokers themselves only want what’s inside the box, they don’t care what the box looks like. Further, why is the government only targeting cigarettes? Is there anything being done about DIY cigarettes - tobacco and cigarette papers? What about cigars? Does this mean that when I buy a gift box of cigars, they’re going to be in an olive green paper box?

    • Audra Blue says:

      01:03pm | 20/04/11

      I don’t care what the idiots of the world do to themselves.  I’m surprised at how many people still smoke and how many of them take it up.  If it tastes anything like it smells, you would think that’s enough reason to give up.

      Drinking, however, tastes awesome!  So many flavours! So many ways to get shitefaced whilst your tastebuds dance in glee!  If the tobacco industry had any kind of smarts, they would make their ciggies in different flavours, then the plain packaging wouldn’t be an issue.

      The populace could then slowly kill themselves knowing that at least the shite they ingested tasted good.

    • Rossco says:

      01:04pm | 20/04/11

      How about no?

      Im not a smoker and I simply hate the habit but Tobacco companies should have a right to be able to have their own brand names and unique packaging. This olive green rubbish equates to nanny statism that Big Brother would be proud of.

      I am sick and tired of the government enacting this nanny state, telling us what is good and not good for us and treating their own citizens like children. There are levels of government control in society and this steps beyond that level. I hope the tobacco companies sue the hell out of Gillard and Roxon.

    • Jason says:

      01:50pm | 20/04/11

      Finally, an article on Tobacco that ISN’T lobbying for that death-dealing industry. About time. Now to have a follow-up article that calls for taxing the stupid ****** out of business in the country, and then another follow-up article on the despicable tactics Big Tobacco uses to hook people in the developing world. They are utter, morally bankrupt scum.

    • T says:

      02:16pm | 20/04/11

      Correction Jason: They are utter, morally bankrupt scum who are selling a legal product. It’s an important difference. You might want to look at that angle from your high horse.

    • Ted says:

      01:53pm | 20/04/11

      Why not give this a go? It won’t cost taxpayers or those who smoke a cent, unless tobacco companies go through with their threat to wage war in the courts. Arguably cheaper for smokers as companies won’t have to spend hundreds of millions of dollars on pack design.

      As far as claims that brand isn’t important, the former tobacco exec quoted in the Sydney Morning Herald (http://bit.ly/hR6XMR) today spells out the impact out clearly and simply.

      In 2005, more than 8000 Australians died of cancer as a result of smoking (doesn’t include heart and other chronic diseases). We need to try EVERYTHING to stop our kids taking this up this totally destructive addiction. This proposal has solid research behind it and will most likely work (clearly big tobacco thinks so with the campaign they are waging against it). But even if it doesn’t, worth a shot.

    • michael j says:

      03:03pm | 20/04/11

      @Ted-ban the fucking piosionious additive bloody, shit, i am coughing up blood ,,i have an add on tv telling me i am about to f—king DIE ,,
      it it was good enough enough to ban a cheap usable building product because it caused a couple of DEATHS and was not even addictive ,,why do all these Government’s not ban tobacco ,,because they are trying to cover their arse by putting stupid adds on tv to protect themselves from massive damages because they are complicit in peoples deaths by leaving this deadly product in the free-market place and collecting tax’s from my impending death,,some people can throw a pac of cigs over their shoulder and never have one again,,,how i don’t know,,,why can’t i do the same,, i don’t know?  i have stopped for 7 years in 6 attempts over 44 years ,,,,,,,,,,,ban the fu—-ng things,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

    • TQS says:

      02:38pm | 20/04/11

      Plain packaging of cigarettes has great potential for tobacconists, newsgents, mobile accessories and other miscallenous gift kiosks & shops, to sell a range of colourful cigarette packet boxes, tins and sleaves…

    • Rossco says:

      03:45pm | 20/04/11

      These will be illegal no doubt, though wont stop people downloading decorations from online.

    • TQS says:

      02:50pm | 20/04/11

      People smoke because they find nicotine consumption enjoyable. No government measure will change that.

      If you want people to be able to enjoy nicotine, as they do with cigarettes, but without the adverse health effects of nitrosamines, then legalise e-cigarettes and other nicotine vapourisers. Allow them to be advertised and marketed, like we allow caffeine, or nicotine in gum and patch form, to be freely marketed. People will get the nicotine fix they want from a safe source that does not require public health expenditure.

    • michael j says:

      03:45pm | 20/04/11

      @TQS-speaking for myself only,,i can not say i have ever enjoyed nicotine,,
      that it has an effect on my brain that makes me crave for it yes,, that it does,
      two people i will speak of ,,old mate 1 ,gave up smokes when that hit $ 1 dollar a packet,10 years later i saw him,he told me he would kill for a cig,
      if i had a carton he would eat them,,that bad still,,yes he said,,
      old mate 2-29 years off cigs still feeling like one every day,he had one and two weeks later he was back to 40 a day,,
      To the best of my knowledge Nicotine is a somewhat deadly poison,
      with addiction qualities similar to HEROIN,n,COCAINE,, so if we are just going to change to delivery system,,how do we get around the fact the shit f—ks with peoples minds,,while i am not familiar with the nicotine vaporisers i have tried the rest with no positive result,,,,take them of the market,,,,,

    • youdy beaudy says:

      05:48pm | 20/04/11

      TQS,Well put. What a good idea. If the Government person reads your comment then they should look at it. It would be a good policy directive and a few kudos for the one who takes it in for discussion. Bring it to the general publics attention. Would be a good way to go.

    • youdy beaudy says:

      03:40pm | 20/04/11

      Many ways to get cancer. Continued Anger for one. All the sprays that we wallow in every day after the bug man has gone. We are so stupid that we have to spray crops and anything that moves and then, guess what, we inhale it all. Things we use that are supposed to kill 99.9 percent of germs. Motor Car exhaust that we walk through every day. The people that attend Racing car events and get a good dose of Methyl Benzine, 30 years later, guess what!. High rise construction when the wind blows the dust into the air from dry concrete and we breathe it in unknowingly. Glues used in House building stay for many years and we breathe it in. All chemicals in fact. The chemicals they spray on your food to keep bugs off.

      The air we breathe is polluted as well as the creeks and rivers, the paddocks they grow the crops in with the super phosphates. Almost everything we come in touch with can cause cancer, and the biggie is continuing hatred and anger as I mentioned before here.

      Cigarettes, cigars, tobacco products well maybe but not everyone who smokes gets cancer and then tobacco has a herbal effect that helps certain conditions as well. I don’t think that these new labels will stop smoking at all. People who smoke have a nicotine addiction the same as people who do things such as overeating and using any substance have addictions. What about the problems they cover over with pharma products causing death, can they cause cancer. People who smoke will still buy their favourite ciggy regardless of packaging as the brand has to be put on the box so they know which one it is that they are buying. After a week they will be used to it.

      An indian fellow once said to me that smoking with relaxed attitude is the way to go not smoking bent over and under stress. Then there are the people who have the special genetics who will never get cancer no matter what. Yes, australia is a nanny state, shame on them, where is the freedom of rights that we all expect to come from the so called greatest country and democracy in the world. I think there is a lot of leg pulling going on with this. What a country we try to live in. No rights to do anything unless the fun police let you. Very smelly indeed.

    • michael j says:

      05:44pm | 20/04/11

      @You-Beauty—that some you have listed may/will cause cancer may be true
      but few listed are proven to be additive,,
      That cigarettes ,n , Nicotine cause early death/disability has been recognized by doctors,even after arguing almost themselves for many years,,some even siding with cigarette companies..
      papers that came to light many years ago showed the tobacco companies
      were manipulating Nicotine strength/quality/quantity to make smoking more addictive,,,,after 45 years of been hooked on this ,,no matter what sort of nice things you say about them ,,i would see them and their business buried,,,,,,,,,,,
      And the Indian you speak of was probably speaking of the non addictive,less harmfull smoke ,,marijuna,,relaxing indeed,,,,,,,,,,,,

    • youdy beaudy says:

      12:32am | 21/04/11

      @Michael J. Good comment and you are probably right too. However at least you were kind to me in reply, some are not. I find it funny how people get all flustered with their comments as if it were the end of the world for some but the comments are only opinions after all, hardly worth working oneself up over. Tomorrow the opinion may be different for all of us. Things are subject to change after all.

      Just to finish. The Indian Man and I were talking about attitudes to the smoking of tobacco but it could include Mary Jane as well or any type of similar activity I suppose. Thanks.

    • Marlboro Man says:

      01:01am | 21/04/11

      1. Smoking is legal.
      2. Tax is good. (Huge tax is better).
      1+2= No real need to change anything.

    • Mensur Cehic says:

      01:04am | 21/04/11

      It’s a sad, sad part of human history. To allow the push marketing of such a poisonous substance onto worldwide populations.. Tobbacco: A weapon of mass destruction unleashed on us. We have spent the entire industrial age making smoking look like a normal part of life. A collection of carcinogenic industrial ingredients delivered to our daily lives through tobbacco.
      I cannot help but perceive us, the mankind, with cigarettes in our hands and mouths. Every restaurant table has had cutlery, salt, pepper and and >ashtray< as a must. All but the latter are part of our natural lives. Having that ashtray (and cigarettes) is so unnatural, that I can only liken us to those penguins that get their heads stuck in a six-pack plastic. Sad but true. An endangered species we are - despite our numbers.

 

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