7.30 smackdown a warmup bout for Coalition party room

HarrisT says:

08:22am | 11/08/09

Kerry O’Briens interview with Turnbull was disgusting. The manner in which O’Brien spoke to Turnbull was rude, callous and demeaning. I’m not a Turnbull supporter, but no one deserves so be spoken and questioned in that manner, especially on national television. O’Brien appeared quite rattled by the end of the ordeal. Turnbull appeared professional comfortable and confident. A far better performance than I can say for O’Brien.

James says:

08:26am | 11/08/09

Kerry O’Brien perfomance was nothing short of shameful. He might as well take of the shirt and tie and put (back) on his Kevin07 shirt!

steve parker says:

08:37am | 11/08/09

I watched the 7:30 Report last night - I am getting a little concerned with the ABC and old Red Ned.  I just wondered if Kerry was out at his favourite watering hole in Canberra when Q&A was on last week? You get 250 young people sick to death of trawling through the whole email affair. Time to move on Kerry - the show is getting stale and the questions too predictable.

Chris says:

08:39am | 11/08/09

Kerry was focusing on gossip.  Malcolm is right in saying we’re bored of Utegate.  In his position I don’t blame him for tongue-slapping Kerry.

pete says:

08:45am | 11/08/09

This is all hoo hah, caused by the press looking for a sensational headline, a couple of malcontents and a government that is not delivering on an election promise.
What the public are concerned about is the state of the planet and how we leave it for future generations.
newspaper and newsagencies are just interested in the next headline and the members of both houses are just interested in their own political ends.  They have demonstrated tiome and time again that promises are broken. The only important agenda to them is power and how to retain it.  How about a bit of REAL bipartisanship and actually finding a solution to the problem of our own making.  Thast is after all, what we elect you for

mikk says:

08:47am | 11/08/09

Poor Malcolm. Cant help shooting himself in the foot. When said foot isnt in his mouth of course.  Havent seen such a self immolation since Latham.

SG says:

09:02am | 11/08/09

O’Brien really was disgusting, rude and clearly politically motivated.

Mark Scott needs to have a long hard think about whether this is Red Kerry’s final year on the 730, and whether they promote one of the promising up-and-comers like Leigh Sales.

Otherwise Sky News will continue to steal their territory, and who knows, win the next Australia Network contract. Imagine scoring David Speers vs Kerry O’Brien.. it’s a no brainer.

Ben says:

09:12am | 11/08/09

Turnbull made a huge stuff up in not focussing on Swan when he had him on toast.
But I would love to hear a journalist from the Canberra Press Gallery coherently explain why Turnbull over reaching is a bigger story than the Federal Treasurer’s office giving preferential treatment to a Labor donor and long standing associate in the application of taxpayers dollars.
Why have they let Swan completely off the hook when since the story broke evidence has dripped out that car dealer at the centre of the scandal received treatment nothing like any other applicant?
Even conceding that the Turnbull stuff up was big news, the implosion of his attack on Rudd can hardly warrant weeks of coverage while the conduct of Swan’s office barely raises a mention.
The Press Gallery has got it very badly wrong on this issue.

RobJ says:

09:31am | 11/08/09

“Malcolm is right in saying we’re bored of Utegate.”

I’m not, nor was Turnbull when he thought he was on to something. I want to know what influence the UNELECTED Godwin Grech had. Abetz and Turnbull have lots of questions to answer!

Christina says:

09:48am | 11/08/09

That interview was shameful and Tory I would have thought you would have been smart enough to see that the legislation is only on the framework and the regulations havent even been presented yet…Kerry Obrien was very rude and you are showing your ignorance by supporting his rudeness.
I dont agree with Turnbull or his ETS scheme nor Rudds but this interview was a whitewash and so is your article

RobJ says:

10:17am | 11/08/09

Hey all you whinging about Kerry O’Brien, the point is that Malcolm Turnbull’s performance was appalling, Tory’s thread isn’t about the perceived bias of O’Brien, it’s about Turnbull and last night Turnbull failed monumentally!

wolf says:

10:19am | 11/08/09

I can’t believe how many people are reading Kerry’s performance as being particularly rude or hostile to Turnbull. Seems all the libs have a very short memory about the maulings he handed to Latham and Beasley when they were opposition leader.
Kerry did as he as always done - followed up aggressively on his questions until he gets a satisfactory answer, especially if his subject is reluctant to address the question. It’s why his interviews are so informative and entertaining.

kim says:

10:27am | 11/08/09

If thats the case then why when he askeed Swan how many other car dealerships he had a personal phone conversation with, his answer was “your not asking the tight question”. Kerry just laughed and moved on.

McDil says:

10:29am | 11/08/09

Kerry O’Brien’s one of the sharpest, if not THE sharpest, interviewers in the country. He grills the government as hard as the opposition - go watch his last interview with Wayne Swan if you’re a little hazy on the details. It’s not so much the political flavour of his interviewees that determines his approach, rather, it is the repulsive politicianese these people spew forth on his program in desperate attempts to avoid answering tough questions.

O’Brien had Turnbull squirming because the man is a rat. He tries to be too clever all the time, trying to turn every question back on itself like some kind of intellectual arm-wrestle. Instead of indignantly snarling Turnbull could take the novel approach of answering the question and then perhaps save himself the continual barbs of a journalist who can smell blood. It’s his own fault.

RobJ says:

10:32am | 11/08/09

“- followed up aggressively on his questions until he gets a satisfactory answer,”

Which in my opinion was never provided. I thought it quite arrogant of Turnbull to assume that the viewers didn’t want to hear about utegate. i watch every night and I absolutely want to know more about utegate, I want to know why the Liberals consider Grech to be a whstleblower whilst many of us think he’s a mole, an unelected spy feeding BS to the libs, and the Libs trying to get political mileage out of the BS they’ve been fed.

Turnbull is an utter hypocrite with regard to all of a sudden not being interested in utegate (ie he’s stuffed up big time and now wants everybody to ignore an issue that he once thought important enough to call for the head of the PM)

RobJ says:

10:36am | 11/08/09

““your not asking the tight question”. “

Was that quote from the 7:30 report, I thought i heard it on AM. Kerry O’Brien isn’t on AM

Oh I did!

“WAYNE SWAN: Well it’s not exactly the right question. That is irrelevant Emma to the fact or the claims that have been put forward that somehow some special treatment was given to Mr Grant”

Zeta says:

10:47am | 11/08/09

Turnbull deserved everything he got. Kerry O’Brien is one of the best journalists in the country, and someone who is not to be triffled with by even the most seasoned pol. Which is why Turnbull’s arrogance was so astounding. I’ve heard accusations of bias leveled at O’Brien this morning but I think that if anything, he was biased toward the rest of the Liberal / National caucus who Turnbull failed to consult with regarding his ETS changes. Turnbull needs to go. He’s revealed deep character flaws that should preclude him from the highest office in the land.

I almost wish they never got rid of Brendan Nelson, for his legion of faults, and least he was genuine, as well as genuinely incompetent. Turnbull is disingenous, and incompetent to boot. I know which combination I’d prefer in an Opposition leader.

Mondo Rock says:

10:49am | 11/08/09

I can’t believe how many people are reading Kerry’s performance as being particularly rude or hostile to Turnbull. Seems all the libs have a very short memory about the maulings he handed to Latham and Beasley when they were opposition leader.

It’s just the standard confirmation bias of our dribbling right-wingers - they never stop their whining meme that the ABC is hopeless biased against them (except when it aggressiveley criticises Labor politicians).

O’Brien is adversarial, aggressive and dogged in his pursuit of politicians once he believes he has them on the back foot, or if he believes they are dodging an issue.  He applies that same standard in every interview he conducts, which is why he remains Australia’s single most awarded television journalist.

Kyriacos says:

11:10am | 11/08/09

Kaza O’Brien is a top gun politico as is Griller Tony Jones, and Laurie Oakes, but Aust’s top gun politico arguably is Paul Kelly.Kaza did ask the right question, and whether or not Turnbull fobbed it off is something that voters will determine.

If a second Senate inquiry does establish that Malcolm did have private meetings with Grech posibly with Abetz if not others too, with the view of cooking up such Senate hearing and trying to manipulate or concoct an adverse outcome that would fry both PM Rudd and McDuck Wayne Swan..indeed that is serious staff. In civic law that is tantamount to tampering with a witness about to give evidence..esp on a jury .which can incur jail terms.

On his weekly segment on Insiders last Sunday, Paul mentioned the point a second Senate inquiry may also have barb wire trappings for the Rudd Govt. According to Paul, apparently Treasury made solicitations to the first Senate inquiry on Ute gate, to try to influence evidence to be presented. If that too can be proven, that must also reflect on none other than Wayne McDuck..
A glance at this Govt website might be interesting:

[ Grech has made quite explicit allegations in his supplement to the Auditor Generals report - its at http://www.anao.gov.au and Grech’s material is at the end., ]
In terms of today’s Lib party meeting…IF Libs don’t get behind Turnbull today, they may as well sign a death warrnt to extinction..Kelly also suggests rightly that the problem is not Turnbull, it is the Liberal Party. How can any Lib leader function let alone survive when he is under constant attack from those on his own side. With all the rubbish published about Ute Gate including this article, in the last Newspoll Turnbull should have been wiped out…He wasn’t…and even showed a modest 1% in the PPM vote…

Just as voters woke up to smoke merchant Howard, soon they will wake up to China Man Rudd also…he throws even more smoke than yap yap Howard. Since Malcolm announced his broad sweep carbon plan yesterday, he has been attacked for not consulting cabinet first etc. Surely as leader he can make some announcements that he feels are in the coaltion and National interest. The other alternative is to say zero, and give China Man a free ride full stop. What would Turnbull critics say then??

DJG says:

11:12am | 11/08/09

The Lib’s got very busy early on in this blog. Its good to see more rational comments coming through. The suggestion that Kerry was rattled at the end is ludicrous. He had Turnbull on toast from go to whoa. I would like to know the whole truth about this matter. A few weeks ago it warranted a strident, pompous call for our PM’s head. The only way Kerry could have improved the interview would have been to chuck in a question about the cat. I want to know more about that as well from our alternative PM.

SG says:

11:22am | 11/08/09

Mondo Rock:

Nice. Does “dribbling right-wingers” assume you, and ABC you so righteously defend, are a wrist-wringing left-wingers?

McDil:

O’Brien “grills the government as hard as the opposition” - give me one example of a Rudd interview where he didn’t offer the PM an unrestrained dorothy dixer?

greg says:

11:30am | 11/08/09

I can’t believe how wolf and Mondo Rock appear to be cloning each other’s texts.  Are you guys here on assignment with a half-written form letter?

Nathan says:

11:37am | 11/08/09

Slightly off topic of the conversation but will The Punch be covering the resumption of parliament? Is it today or tomorrow? Will Turnbull cop a bigger hammering from Labor or Wilson Tuckey?

RobJ says:

11:39am | 11/08/09

SG,

Whilst I was exposing the BS claim Kim made earlier about O’Brien asking Swan something just once (when in fact it never ever happened) I came across this:

http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2009/s2605360.htm

Knock yourself out!

RT says:

11:45am | 11/08/09

Hands up all those who thought Kerry O’Brien’s interview was unfair to Turnbull and who are also Coalition supporters. Everyone? Thought so. I support neither side of politics and thouht the interview tough, but that’s what I expect. It was unfair to Turnbull in that O’Brien rebuffed Turnbull’s repeated efforts to change the subject and avoid the question. I have never seen a more wintry smile than the one made by Turnbull at the conclusion of the interview.

formersnag says:

11:56am | 11/08/09

the WORST possible way to deal with global warming is an ETS!!!

the only people in favour of it, are either, “the raving right” from “wallstreet”, who want their bonuses back, from dealing in carbon default swaps and derivative forestry futures.

the only other people in favour are “the loony left”, who are thinking about all the taxes they can waste on bureaucrats.

Ordinary suburbanites like you and me will be expected to pay for this party at our expense.

And the media, just lay awake at night, wondering why we don’t want to pay for the lies they serve up to us every day.

WAKE UP AUSTRALIA, STOP LIVING IN THE LAND OF OZ!!!

Shane From Melbourne says:

12:12pm | 11/08/09

Look it’s just the way the media operates in this country. Opposition whether Liberal or Labor, always has a rougher time of it. Compare the media treatment of Labor when Howard was in power. Same with political funding, opposition always has a distinct disadvantage. Just the way things work.

Les says:

12:13pm | 11/08/09

The few supporters of Turnbull must realise that when it suited Turnbull he stood in the Parliament and falsely accused Rudd and Turnbull of corruption based on a false email and called on Rudd to resign ! Yes I know its hard to digest but this silly lad tried to bring down a duly elected Govt. based on a hastily crafted false email delivered to him by an idiot ! This is the action of a total fool not a man fit to be Prime Minister. At least the giggling Abetz had the decency to apologise. Turnbull therefore deserves the closest possible scrutiny as given by Kerry Obrien last night.  The Australian Electors will do the rest very soon !

Mondo Rock says:

12:27pm | 11/08/09

Does “dribbling right-wingers” assume you, and ABC you so righteously defend, are a wrist-wringing left-wingers?

No.  But it appears that, in addition to a clear susceptibility to confirmation bias, you will need to add a tendency towards false dilemma to your list of logical deficiencies.

Paul says:

01:05pm | 11/08/09

Turnbull was terrible, Kerry was merely interviewing. From the absolute beginning, Turnbull rejected the premise of every question, to the point of arguing that black was white (eg. ‘the legislation has not been there for months’). Of course he was going to corrected, and each time he is corrected he tries to be too clever again. What was that suit and coathanger garbage? If it’s only a coathanger, then pass it!

Also, let’s all stop quoting the qanda audience as evidence that Turnbull has gotten away with his Grech scheming. Why? Exhibit A: the little fellow down the front who gave us ‘whoze gunna pay the debt????’ to wild cheers from the majority. Conclusion: Mal stacked the audience nicely (glad he can still do something right!). On the other hand we have a series of opinion polls where Turnbull is plummetting.

Paul says:

01:06pm | 11/08/09

(cont’d) Turnbull is just far too inexperienced. He is an inept politician who is incapable of learning that bullying won’t win you this game.

stu says:

01:18pm | 11/08/09

An appalling performance by Turnbull. To come up with a “policy” that is not only impossible for anyone to fathom and which hasn’t been discussed by the party is an act of utter desperation. To then avoid answering questions about Utegate by either responding on ETS or to just blankly refuse to respond is like a deer caught in the headlights. Malcolm Turnbull maybe a barrister but he is no politician and he has surrounded himself with people who either cannot or will not advise him.

janice says:

01:19pm | 11/08/09

and Rudd doesn’t bully his ministers behind closed doors?
Also Turnbull was composed and professional, unlike O’Brien.

jimmy nail says:

01:21pm | 11/08/09

like who cares?  our lying, cheating, thieving, rorting “honorable” pollies deserve a heap of stick back now and again and again and again….ad nauseum….like pollies!

Steve's view says:

01:30pm | 11/08/09

I totally don’t see it that way. I think Turnbull did an excellent job of standing up to an openly disdainful Kerry O’Brien, who consequently has lost all of my respect. I still think Rudd and Swan have a case to answer over utegate.

stu says:

01:36pm | 11/08/09

Maybe the interview went so badly because Turnbull still can’t find a press secretary who knows the meaning of the word “concocted”.

Paul says:

01:41pm | 11/08/09

janice: ‘Turnbull was composed and professional’. Yep about as composed and professional as Latham. You must be trying very very hard to make a comment like that with a straight face.

Steve - Turnbull’s job is not to ‘stand up’ to a respected adversarial interviewer. It is to have the smarts to know what situation he will be in and make the best of it for the sake of the public he is trying to woo. If I was an outraged ideologue I might give him a tick. As someone watching and judging potential leaders of the country, he gets a massive fail.

RobJ says:

01:41pm | 11/08/09

“Also, let’s all stop quoting the qanda audience as evidence that Turnbull has gotten away with his Grech scheming”

That’s right, if people want to cite Q&A audience responses as representative then they have to take the rough with the smooth, thing is I regularly hear (read) whinging from people who identify with the right moaning about the stacked Q&A audience, all of a sudden I hear those identifying with the right praising the Q&A audience. YOU CAN’T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS!

“who consequently has lost all of my respect. “

Did you respect O’Brien yesterday? The reason I ask is as a long time viewer I contend that O’Brien’s behaviour is consistent, I also contend that some people like to shoot the messenger (questioner in this instance) when people they favour perform so badly!

Jono Bangkok says:

02:50pm | 11/08/09

O’Brien as always was rubbish, too old and too tainted, far better younger journalistic talent out there.  Turnbull was flustered.  Rudd is covering up for his mate Swanney who clearly has a serious case to answer and if Grech was a Liberal mole he was the worst mole in history.  Time to move on, more pressing matters to deal with!

eeldraw says:

02:59pm | 11/08/09

I remember sitting down with an American friend watching an interview by Kerry O’Brien a couple of years ago. He was gobsmacked that an interviewer on television was so unrelenting in the pursuit of an answer to a specific question from a politician.
It doesn’t matter who he is interviewing, Kerry asks his questions for a reason, to get real answers. His tenacity in seeking those answers without accepting the double speak drivel that so often comes out of the mouths of all of our politicians is outstanding.

Bruce says:

03:06pm | 11/08/09

The Liberal/National parties still don’t get it. Turnbull rabbits on about the Labour Government needing to negotiate with the Opposition on matters of governing. Malcolm! Once and for all you lost! We voted, rightly or wrongly, for Kevin Rudd and Co. That is the electorates irrevocable decision. Maybe you are the genius that you think you are, but the electorate will just have to live with their mistake (if it is a mistake). To keep on with the attitude that you and the coalition parties were born to rule just makes us detest you even more. In opposition you have no right, other than the right to whine, and you are very good at that.

Bruce says:

03:20pm | 11/08/09

I saw Q&A last week and was disgusted at the short attention span of our 18-26 audience. To accuse the PM and Treasurer of corruption and demand their resignation is trying to bring down the legally elected government of this land. The fact that it has all the appearances of a bloodless coup assisted from within the public service makes this a matter of national importance. Just because Gen Y has the attention span of a goldfish and wants to “move on” doesn’t mean that serious people should stop debating and investigating the very serious issue known as utegate. Suddenly Turnbull sees hope in Gen Y and enthusiastically supports the “move on” call.

Tony says:

03:32pm | 11/08/09

Turnbull was the arrogant one - sorry Malcolm, we’re not tired of this and we do want some real answers. It won’t just go away if you ignore it.

How long as your mate Godwin been leaking to the Libs, just exactly what information did you and Adbnetz have beforehand?

Why did you sit down and allow a senior public servant to make up questions for you to ask when you know that’s against all protocols and convention?

Why wouldn’t you answer the questions? Kerry O’Brien is paid to get answers - unlike many other “journalists” he is prepared to push the interviewee and not allow them to get away wiht fluff answers. He does this with all parties - not just those of the right.

Sophie says:

03:37pm | 11/08/09

Ben - ITA re. the Q and A Audience. What about that girl who called Utegate ‘small and minute’? Possible corruption of the senate is not ‘small and minute’ Gen Y!  How Malcolm loved hearing that though, and now he’s citing the yooful q and a audience as proof the country wants to move on!
If I were a more cynical sort, I would think that the real reason Mad Mal wants to move on is because Utegate has been the biggest political stuff-up of his career. His refusal to apologise just makes it all worse; he lacks humilty and has arrogance and beligerence in spades, all of which were on show in last night’s interview with kerry. Any impartial observer would say that was an awful interview; can Turnbull do anything right?

Lenny says:

03:38pm | 11/08/09

I agree with Turnbull YES! move on….
I’m over this soap opera!

Terry says:

03:43pm | 11/08/09

Take a chill pill Tony - Turnbull was great! He was also good on Q&A!

groucho says:

03:56pm | 11/08/09

Mr Turnbull’s woes are plainly due to more than his misjudgement of the Grech matter.

His ever sinking standing is just as much about his own inept handling of his own party, and his own inept policy handiwork - such as it is. For example, only a little spadework is needed to show that the huff and puff about Government debt is a nonsense. Not just because his own party would have done very little different in sum, but also because he has wildly overstated what little case he had.

Meanwhile the Government’s own policy settings are looking increasingly sound, not only in current domestic economic data,  but to the IMF, to the OECD, to the Reserve Bank, and to other market commmentators. There is no way that broad agreement over such a diverse group could be the spin of a pack of Lefty Stooges, as some sillier comments here would suggest.

Meanwhile, on his 11th hour rehash of a well-known baseline/cap+trade ETS option that would shunt off our carbon offset to poorer countries future plans, Mr Turnbull has failed once again to convince his Party Room this very morning . Spineless to the last, they’re going to…wait for it…“have further discussions”. Masterful! What sheer tactical brilliance!

Plainly we need the Government, sound but uninspiring and over-reviewing as it is, to buckle down again to real achievement on all the big issues pushed aside somewhat while the GFC erupted. And we could use a sound, sensible, fair Opposition to run a ruler over those policies. We’ve a better chance of the first at present, and clearly none at all of the second - the Liberal Party looks set to be stuck in various mires of its own making for some weeks yet.

Sadly, while the Liberal Party dithers, spins and spats on its own account, the self-aggrandizing antics of Mr Grech will be a further unavoidable distraction for some time to come. First we have to get over the hurdle of the Senate Priveleges committee, which well needs to do something sensibly and quickly.

Then of course, there is The Treasury, where a formal enquiry must also soon follow, on the extent of Mr Grech’s fiddlings. There’s another shoe yet to drop, there.

We must hope - and encourage - our elected Government to act with some strength of character, to move on from the temptation of more free kicks over Mr Tunbull’s intemperate and inopportune blunderings. We still have the back-wash of the global financial disaster to cope with, and must once more turn our attention to action, rather than more review, on the big outstanding domestic and external issues which so worry us all.

So. Time to get on with the job, Mr Rudd. You’ll just have to leave poor Mr Turnbull and his dithering spineless colleagues to get on and do the best they can.

Lenny J says:

04:51pm | 11/08/09

So ‘Terry’ says Turnbull was great. I am sorry Tezza, but ‘great’ is not a very exacting descriptor. Did he answer any direct questions? NO, he did not. Did he lose his rag a little? Yes, he did. How dare Kerry O’Brien be so impertinent as to ask a pollie to answer a question.

Looks like a dead man walking to me. OK, OK, not an exact expression either. But he does look like a ‘great’ dead man walking, really he does.

Pollies seem all the same sadly. Can’t and won’t answer questions, can’t and won’t apologise, can’t and won’t say anything remotely truthful.

How is he now Tezza? ‘great’ comment by the way though…

Johnny Rotten says:

07:35pm | 11/08/09

Why should Kerr O’Brien accede to the ex-merchant banker’s desire to move on when the clown still does not have the sense and common decency to admit he was wrong and apologize.  Even grave-yard Abetz was smarter than that.

Johnny Rotten says:

07:36pm | 11/08/09

Groucho is on the money   As reported in the Age “The reduction in Australia’s emissions, whether it is to 5, 10 or 25 per cent below 1990 levels, would be achieved not be cutting our own emissions, but by buying emission permits from overseas.

This is how the report promises to reduce emissions to 10 per cent below 1990 levels while increasing emissions in Australia. We would simply buy more emission permits overseas”

What a con and what a shoddy example it sets.

Dave T says:

11:28pm | 11/08/09

Kerry had a go at Grech for being partisan.  Compare an interview with Turnbull and Rudd I think that’s being a tad hypocritical.  I couldn’t believe how rude he was to Turnbull last night.  When he interviewed Rudd and accidentally went off script, Rudd showed his ignorance of cricket by claiming “he bowled that one down the leg side”, not knowing that a good batsman hits those balls for 6.  Maybe Kerry’s going to be the next celebrity ALP candidate for Wentworth at the next election.  He could change his first name to Maxine or last name to McKew.

Dominic Pelle says:

09:21am | 12/08/09

The Libs have been experiencing power withdrawal symptoms ever since they lost the election. Hence their attempt to do a break an enter on the government of Australia to steal some power. It’s like whatching a desperate junkie . They have not adjusted to be an effective opposition and reinvented themselves. They seem to have not relised that the Australian people have REJECTED their policy direction (as loose as it is).  Of course the conservatives on this blog want to move on which reflects badly on them. They also are experiencing the same withdrawal. They dismiss the attempt by Grech and Abetz/Turnbull to bring down the Rudd government with a fake email as if it was telling tales out of school rather then undermining an elected Australian Government. The Sth Aust. opposition leader recently resigned over the same stunt, a fake email, Jackie Kelly had a fake pamphlet which analysts say was the nail in the coffin for Howard in the last election. It may come as a suprise to some, but the Australian people don’t like cheats.Good conservatives need to get their party on track and that may need them to vote against them and move them closer to the centre. Howard took them to the far right and they have become irrelevant.

Jack Smith says:

06:28pm | 12/08/09

Hey are we talking about Kerry O’Boondoggle????

ANDIKA says:

06:39pm | 13/08/09

Everyone who watches the political scene knows that the ABC is nothing more than the media division of the ALP.