Some call it “erotic fiction”. Others, “those steamy books my friends have been buzzing about”. The 50 Shades trilogy by E.L. James is, however, probably best known for popularising one term in particular: “mummy porn”.

Nothing grey about it

Just to save you a possibly embarrassing Google search with potentially bizarre results, that refers to porn for mothers, and has nothing to do with people having a sexy time whilst wrapped head-to-toe in bandages. Although, Rule 34 of the Internet says that’s probably out there somewhere too.

For the very few who are still yet to find out about this whole phenomenon, Wikipedia will tell you the plot of the first book, 50 Shades of Grey, is about:

“The deepening relationship between a college graduate, Anastasia Steele, and a young business magnate, Christian Grey.”

So, nothing too exciting there. What then is making people so interested? Well, Wikipedia continues…

“It is notable for its explicitly erotic scenes featuring elements of BDSM.”

And holy cow is “mummy porn” popular.

All three books currently sit atop the New York Times fiction best seller list, and the first in the series recently became the fastest selling paperback of all time in the United Kingdom.

Personally I call this a victory for equality, even though it does revolve around a rich entrepreneur using a virginal young woman primarily for his sexual pleasure.

India Knight, writing in last week’s Sunday Times, made an excellent point though, that there is a real double standard at play now in how we judge erotic materials. “Mummy porn” is seen as fun, harmless, even liberating, and therefore exempt from critique or social judgement, whereas “daddy porn” is inherently “horrid” and “depraved”.

“Porn is porn,” she argues, “and giving it a playful prefix alters nothing.”

And I am inclined to agree with her. If people are willing to describe merely suggestive film clips as “pornography”, which happens all the time, then I think a book with explicit passages like these should be seen as more than just “romantic fiction”.

OK, many women may be reading these books primarily for the story (indeed, I am told there is actually a very lovely storyline stringing the raunchy sex scenes together), but that’s rather like saying you only read Playboy “for the articles”.

Not that I am complaining either way, of course. If it is “kinky f—kery” women want, then “kinky f—kery” they should have, by the yacht-load.

But, re-framing the terms of the debate in this way does raise some very tricky questions for those who do see porn as a major social concern.

Melinda Tankard Reist, for example, will instantly jump on anything that would support her claim that society is becoming more “pornified”, no matter how far from mainstream tastes it may be. And, yet, on the content and popularity of 50 Shades, she is conspicuously silent.

Imagine if this same book, with the same events, was written by a man from a man’s perspective? Something tells me she and a whole hoard of like-minded men and women, would be pretty upset.

If it too then went on to sell ten million copies, they would turn apoplectic.

But there has been precious little outrage from those who ordinarily speak up whenever any opportunity to voice some kind of moral outrage presents itself.

It seems “mummy porn” has been totally neglected by the anti-porn brigade. Given its mainstream popularity, one has to wonder: why?

I suspect it has something to with the fact the 50 Shades trilogy clearly does not fit the narrative that people like Gail Dines and Karen Boyle have spent many years simultaneously telling and getting upset about, where, perhaps following the intellectual lead of the late Andrea Dworkin, the porn industry is positioned as an engine of rape, violence towards women, and all-out misery.

Most significantly, these books are written by a woman, from a woman’s perspective and are extremely popular with everyday women. Which, of course, challenges the presumption that pornography is something done to women, never by them and/or for them.

These books have also become enormously popular by nothing more than word-of-mouth. They have not been forced upon anyone, but have been actively sought out for reading pleasure by women all around the world, again challenging the idea that our sexuality is being hijacked by depraved corporate interests.

They are also works of pure fiction; the imaginings of a middle-aged British mother. This nullifies a common tactic used by anti-porn campaigners: to veil their moral concerns under the banner of human rights (because porn stars are often coerced into the industry from positions of desperation, and therefore need “saving”).

Nobody is actually getting hurt in the making of this book. Just a lot of women getting turned on by the thought of it.

These unassailable truths are therefore rather inconvenient to those who spend their lives fighting against porn, because “Mummy porn” does not easily reconcile with their existing cognitive and ideological frameworks.

Seriously engaging with the 50 Shades phenomenon might force them to admit the flaws in those underlying assumptions. Instead, they have largely chosen to ignore it.

So I think people like Melinda Tankard Reist now have a real challenge on their hands. Either they continue to pretend that these books (and the millions of women who can’t get enough of them) don’t exist and thereby draw attention to their inconsistent attitudes towards eroticism in our culture, or they treat them as a form of pornography like any other.

Indeed, if you’re really worried about “big porn” and violent sex becoming part of the mainstream, then you probably ought to start at the top of the list, with the most mainstream porn of all.

But don’t be surprised if some of your closest friends don’t join the crusade.

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    • Fiddler says:

      06:29am | 29/06/12

      Did you really expect anything else from man-hating feminists like Melinda Tankard Reist?

      Also according to wikipedia this book started it’s draft as a twilight fan-fiction (tries not to vomit). But if they want to read it let them. Just so they stop judging me for watching two girls one cup.

    • Admiral Ackbar says:

      11:28am | 29/06/12

      Two girls one cup is a romantic comedy right?

    • Fiddler says:

      11:54am | 29/06/12

      no, it’s a love story

    • St. Michael says:

      11:56am | 29/06/12

      I’m totally in support of Tankard-Raised coming out to demand the book be proscribed in a fine old Catholic Church kind of way.  Every time some fool does so, it raises the subject book’s circulation tenfold.

      “Lady Chatterley’s Lover” by D.H. Lawrence, the original mummy porn, was prosecuted for indecency and it’s never been out of circulation since.  (Okay, part of it is because Lawrence is one of Western civilisation’s better authors, but you get the point…)

    • Fiddler says:

      12:07pm | 29/06/12

      I would put the writer of 2G1C in the same class as Lawrence, Dickens and Shakespeare

    • SydneyGirl says:

      12:10pm | 29/06/12

      Poor DHL never recovered from the feminist assault.

      That said LCL is a pretty bad novel, he’s done much better work.

    • St. Michael says:

      12:17pm | 29/06/12

      @ AdmiralAckbar: paraphrasing W.S. Gilbert: “The author calls it romantic.  I would call it a comedy.”

    • Cobbler says:

      12:27pm | 29/06/12

      Nice Fiddle, nice.  smile

    • Lisa says:

      06:35am | 29/06/12

      I constantly see women reading 50 shades of grey in public. How is that different from a guy watching porn on a computer at the library? It is hypocritical.

    • Carz says:

      07:50am | 29/06/12

      No it isn’t. If a person, male or female, is watching porn on a computer in a library then anyone walking past or sitting nearby is exposed to it whether they like it or not. That includes children. Reading a book to yourself in public exposes nobody else to the content, even if people know what the content is.

    • KH says:

      07:59am | 29/06/12

      Can you see whats in it?  Someone on a computer in a library cannot hide the screen - and that would be seriously offensive to others walking by as you can see clearly what it is.  Unless you can somehow read the book through the cover, I don’t see how a book cover that gives away nothing about its content is offensive.

    • Emma says:

      08:06am | 29/06/12

      Thats easy. When I walk past someone reading a book, I dont get to see more than the title maybe. When I walk past someone watching porn on a screen then I get to see more than I would like. So I think watching porn should be done somewhere where there is no possible audience.

    • Al says:

      08:08am | 29/06/12

      Carz - what if they are reading it aloud such as:
      “Oh listen to this bit ..........”
      I don’t fully agree with Lisa, but it also isn’t illegal to be reading a guys mag or even a Playboy in public, just if you were deliberately showing it to a child.

    • year of the dragon says:

      12:16pm | 29/06/12

      It is only hypocritical if it is the same thing.

      The book is make believe using ficticious characters.

      The porn on the internet is real people doing actual things.

      Not that I give a rat’s but it’s not hypocrisy.

      If there was outrage about men reading ‘50 Shades of Grey” in public but not if women did then that would be hypocrisy.

    • Cobbler says:

      12:33pm | 29/06/12

      Haven’t the moral crusaders always been more concerned about the effects these things have on our perceptions of sex and how it supposedly, encourages lewd acts?

      If so then it stands to reason that whether it’s a book getting your juices flowing or a video that the end result is the same?

    • Doublestandards says:

      05:38am | 02/07/12

      I think a better comparison would be a woman on the beach or in a park reading fifty shades would be normal, but a guy sitting on the beach reading Penthouse forums would probably have the cops called on him.  Even though forums has no pictures either.  There is a huge double standard with this sort of thing.

    • Jarred says:

      06:37am | 29/06/12

      “Imagine if this same book, with the same events, was written by a man from a man’s perspective?” Dont have to imagin it is called Atomised by Michel Houellebecq and it is considerd a great peice of modern literature.

    • KH says:

      08:02am | 29/06/12

      Yes - absolutely correct.  Don’t get me started on the ‘girl with the dragon tattoo’ etc - that author is male, and the female character is abused constantly in those books.  Then there is Brett Easton Ellis, and I’m sure there are plenty more - So if a man writes it, its ‘literature’, but if a woman writes it, its “porn”?

    • Markus says:

      08:38am | 29/06/12

      Girl with the dragon tattoo is a crime novel. The female character is brutally raped. That hardly falls into the category of erotic fiction.

    • greenfrog says:

      09:13am | 29/06/12

      KH - You obviously have not read the Millenium series, if you had you will understand where the author was coming from.  He was highlighting abuse rather than writing pure porn.  It was there for a reason which is apparent when you get to the end of the series.  He is highlighting injustices against young women who have no voice and righting wrongs from the point of view of victims of sex crimes.  Read the books before you comment on them.

    • Emma says:

      09:20am | 29/06/12

      The original title of “girl with the dragon tattoo”  is “men who hate women”.

    • Kersten says:

      10:53am | 29/06/12

      Steig Larssen wrote the Millenium trilogy not for cheap rape-fantasy thrills, but because he was trying to assuage his guilt over witnessing a brutal gang rape when he was young, and not helping the girl who was attacked. He was horrified by violence, particularly when perpetrated against women. It’s a shame that the books are condemned by women as being pro-violence, especially since a quick google search would have provided a little insight. Given the character progression after the point at which the rape occurs, I tended to view it more as quite a pro-female piece. The male protagonist in the books is ruled by his penis, to the point where he ruined his marriage over and affair he refused to end, and seems ready to jump into bed with just about any woman who looks at him sidways - even when she may be a murderer. The female lead, on the other hand, manages to exact a pretty brilliant revenge on the men who hurt her (and her friend/lover) when the legal system seems set to fail her, and at the same time still retains completely human reactions to what’s happened to her. She’s not some fist waving, “feminazi”, superwoman who feels no pain - she’s still a deeply scarred and flawed person, just one who has a great strength of will and a desire not to be beaten completely.

      I’ll take reading about Lisbeth Salander over Anastasia Steele anyday if I have to choose thanks wink Thankfully I don’t, and I can admire both trilogies on their respective merits. The Grey trilogy is pretty poorly written (until the two main characters get into bed) and the plot is negligable at best - much like any porn movie with claims to a “Story” behind it wink

    • OddCreature says:

      02:04pm | 29/06/12

      I heard a rumour that the books are being re-written from the male characters perspective…. so just wait and see…

    • Matchofbris says:

      06:48am | 29/06/12

      Interesting article, I like it. Erotic fiction most certainly does have a weird place in the world of anti-porn crusaders. Always a hoot to see them stumble on the hurdle.

    • Justme says:

      07:05am | 29/06/12

      First, I must say that I haven’t read these books and probably won’t. But even my 68 year old mum purchased them recently. And she doesn’t even swear out loud. You pointed out yourself that no one gets hurt. There are no photos own the books as I understand it. No real people we’re exploited. Anaus Nin is still published and on the shelves at Target for goodness sake and her stuff is equally “erotic”. What is the problem?

    • TracyH says:

      07:14am | 29/06/12

      I’ve never understood the point of anti-porn crusaders. It will aways be around, there is absolutely no chance of stopping it, and if consenting adults are involved, nor should it be stopped. The are wasting their time. The argument that it exploits desperate women is insulting and patronizing. They should turn their energies towards stopping the spread of child porn; everyone should.

    • Martin says:

      08:19am | 29/06/12

      @TracyH

      +1

    • Economist says:

      10:09am | 29/06/12

      Where’s Zeta when you need him. His exposé on porn was hugely entertaining and informative.

      Clearly the mainstream stuff, is socially acceptable, but the MTR’s will always have a point when there is still exploitation in some areas. Human trafficking is still a huge problem, not just insidious child porn.

      There is so much mainstream porn these days that porns stars get paid bugger all The internet is destroying the industry. I haven’t gotten round to posting the wife and I at it, isn’t this the growing area?  I don’t think people could handle the marathonic tantric sessions, I don’t want to create unrealistic expectations for others.  it would clearly create a new genre, lets call it marathonic tantric wink

      The wife and I don’t mind occasionally watching it, her main interest though is in the shoes porns stars where. They’re always awesome. where do they get them from? Of course I play along focusing on the importance of shoes, nothing else interests me wink

    • Condor says:

      10:34am | 29/06/12

      The point of anti-porn crusaders is just another attempt at trying to limit male sexuality mainly through demonising male sexuality and shaming tactics. Many feminists, namely of the anti-porn Melinda Tankard-Reist/Gail Dines variety, view men as something to control and to feminise because they are threatened by the innate differences between men and women. They hate men.

    • SydneyGirl says:

      10:52am | 29/06/12

      marathonic tantric…..hmmm

      Economist you have been tantalising and teasing us for too long….its almost like a semi-erotic novel via comments!

      Your wife watches for the shoes? The old joke was women watched porn to see if they got married at the end:-)

    • Economist says:

      12:41pm | 29/06/12

      SydneyGirl, yes a classic joke, and thank you for putting me onto the idea…..

      Economist was parading around shirtless, showing off his athletic body, when his wife noticed and gave him that look. The look that gave him a macroeconomic outcome. His marginal utility increased, his demand curve rose like a supply curve and his wife responded accordingly.

      She laid back against him he continued to rub her shoulders. She shut her eyes and almost giggled when he invested all his capital in sliding her skirt down. He spun her around faster than Swan could turn a budget surplus. He kissed her passionately, gently biting her bottom lip. A kiss that sent a tingle down her spine and generated as much excitement as a stock trader with that inside scoop.

      He knew the law of diminishing returns would not play a role this night. That marathonic tantric (had to get it in there) action would occur, that it would be a great night , a night with no government intervention, that would maximise the rate of return, a night of pareto efficiency where the production possibility frontier would ensure the most satisfying outcome. (to be continued).

    • SydneyGirl says:

      01:19pm | 29/06/12

      Oh good- an economics and sex lesson all at once!

      Does Mrs Economist’s account include the fabled appendage?! Alas it still lacks its own tumblr.

    • Tim says:

      02:16pm | 29/06/12

      Economist,
      I can’t believe in all of that there was no mention of delivering a stimulus package.

    • Economist says:

      02:56pm | 29/06/12

      Ha ha ha, genius Timmy….. lets collaborate wink

    • T-rev says:

      07:41am | 29/06/12

      It’s reasonably simple:

      Generally speaking, men watch porn to fantasize, and have no real interest in reading “erotic fiction” except for a bit of a laugh.

      Women read erotic fiction to fantasize, and deny ever watching the good stuff.

      It’s both designed for the same purpose, only one form is more honest about it than the other.

      Granted, I haven’t read the book as I am a bloke, So whether it is sex in every chapter or only a couple of times in the story I have no idea.

      And I love the term “kinky f—kery”. That is all.

    • ZimbaZumba says:

      09:20am | 29/06/12

      You have hit the nail on the head.

    • VVS says:

      10:32am | 29/06/12

      Sums it up pretty well.

    • Cobbler says:

      12:44pm | 29/06/12

      I read ‘The Valley of Horses’ when I was about 12.  Does that count?

    • egg says:

      02:03pm | 29/06/12

      I haven’t read the book either, and I’m a woman, and I also watch “the good stuff”. I don’t who you’ve been speaking to, but for real, we’re just as horny, nasty and pervy as any guy. The only reason it would appear otherwise is due to social pressure.

    • Stone age liberal says:

      03:09pm | 29/06/12

      Hey Cobbler, I read the whole series at about the same age. That was the one with neanderthal relations wasnt it. I would like to comment however that erotic fiction is not new and if you are interested some of the Victorian era (supposedly a prudish time hah) stuff on Gutenberg is eye opening. On another note, I was sitting next to a lady (older, 50’s) on the train who was reading a large print hardcover and getting a little flushed. It was an interesting experience and very difficult to keep myself from reading over her shoulder.

    • Chris L says:

      03:30pm | 29/06/12

      I’ve heard somewhere that men like their porn visual and women like their porn emotion. I somewhat suspect that most women have as much trouble understanding what motivates men as most men have understanding women.

      The difference is that some women (and probably some men) take this misunderstanding to mean “my way = good. you’re way = bad!”

    • Scotchfinger says:

      03:39pm | 29/06/12

      Cobbler says:
      I read ‘The Valley of Horses’ when I was about 12.  Does that count?

      Only if she had been tied up by her sling, or perhaps the pet wolf joined in…

    • Aussie Bloke says:

      08:23pm | 29/06/12

      @ T-rev

      As much as I enjoy watching porn, I love erotic fiction, too. 

      Google “literotica” for some great reading.

    • Gayle says:

      07:42am | 29/06/12

      I bought the books - because I was curious.  Frankly, by the end of the 2nd book, I was becomming rather bored with it.  Also, the heroine is really being degraded.  I am a sexual and loving person, but would never submit to the things that she has which I think put women down.

    • Budz says:

      08:50am | 29/06/12

      See that’s the thing though, some women like the feeling of power in the bedroom and some like to be submissive. Either way, that’s their choice and shouldn’t be judged for it!
      And if she is submissive, it’s not saying that she is lesser of a person than the person she is being submissive to.

    • Wayne Kerr says:

      10:30am | 29/06/12

      I watched the books - because I was curious.  Frankly, by the end of the 10002nd film, I was becomming rather bored with it. And my wrist was really sore.

    • Wayne Kerr says:

      10:53am | 29/06/12

      Hey stop using my pseudonym.  I can misrepresent myself perfectly well thanks without your help.

      The Real Wayne Kerr

    • Zaan says:

      10:53am | 29/06/12

      I am ready the second book now, I am also quite bored with it. I don’t think the character is degraded as she has all the power, she is just frustratingly weak :(

    • Carz says:

      07:57am | 29/06/12

      My objection to the Fifty Shades books is not related to content but to form. The writing makes Twilight look like well formed prose. I started reading a preview and couldn’t get past the third page.

    • KH says:

      08:08am | 29/06/12

      Even if the writing is that crap (I’ll take your word for it!) I’m still not convinced it is any more porn than the Stieg Larsson series, or Brett Easton Ellis, or Houllebecq novels which feature much worse scenes or equally ‘erotic’ storylines.

    • Mary says:

      08:25am | 29/06/12

      I know, I downloaded it to see what all the fuss was about - although I made it to the 5th page where she is interviewing the incredibly rich, incredibly handsome businessman.  Here is an amazon review which sums it up better than I can

      http://tinyurl.com/72vzn85

    • Steve says:

      08:25am | 29/06/12

      I read the Amazon Kindle preview of about four pages - adolescent is the right word to describe the writing.

    • K says:

      08:26am | 29/06/12

      It’s terrible isn’t it!

      I’ve read the preview too, the writing is shocking. It’s almost like E.L James has sat down with her draft and a copy of Roget’s thesaurus and substituted words to make herself sound smart.

      Now that the “mummy porn” phenomenon has taken off, 50 Shades won’t be the last erotic novel making it into mainstream reading.

    • Lynne Hughes says:

      08:04am | 29/06/12

      ive read the first book..wont be bothering to complete the trilogy though.  Have to agree with everything u said except the bit where you describe these books has having a ‘lovely storyline’...the actual story in the book is pretty bland…as a story writer I would say she is not a talent..as a writer or porn??? top marks.  And yep..if a man was reading the equivalent on a bus he would probably be very harshly criticised

    • BJ says:

      08:23am | 29/06/12

      Whatever happened to young female uni graduates who wanted to be the next business tycoon, or at least fantasise about it? Now they just want to have sex with sucessful men in the hope that he will take them shopping.

    • Emma says:

      08:55am | 29/06/12

      I love it how the story of one woman that does not want to cut her hair, wear trousers and rule men is an assault to women in feminists’ eyes. smile

      You know, you can be a strong woman and still follow your man on occasion.

    • Lauren the second says:

      09:24am | 29/06/12

      News flash: some female business tycoons enjoy sex and shopping. The two are not mutually exclusive.

    • Kika says:

      11:50am | 29/06/12

      As the wise Notororious BIG said… every cutie with a booty bought a gucci.

      And that was that.

    • BJ says:

      06:14pm | 29/06/12

      What Lauren said is true, but it still doesn’t explain whether the female character in 50 shades of grey has any plans of achieving anything in her own right.

    • Roscoe says:

      08:29am | 29/06/12

      All I can hear from the feminazi’s is - crickets…

    • Dazeddazza says:

      11:44am | 29/06/12

      Where is Eric when we need him?

    • Eloise says:

      08:31am | 29/06/12

      Anais Nin & Henry Miller FTW.  I love their books. Henry & June by Nin is one of my all time favourites. Is it porn? Possibly, it’s certainly erotic “literature”. I read it for all of it, because as you say nobody would ever just read Playboy for the articles.

      I’m hoping there will be a time in the not so distant future where western culture won’t place such a stigma on porn, and all things erotic whether they come through books, movies, TV or the internet when consumed by consenting adults. Seriously guys, one of the most natural things and we are forever condemning people from replicating it into entertainment for adults?

      What’s the problem!??!!

    • SydneyGirl says:

      10:38am | 29/06/12

      Eloise the Cumberbitch.

      You win everything today for mentioning Anais. Delta of Venus : few crap plots but exquisite writing.

      PS: I think there is a distinction between written and visual material.  You can write anything and get away with it.  But visual media involves actors and even if they are consenting there are all kinds of issues with it.  Just look at the comments beneath all those tamely erotic youtube clips:-)

    • Justme says:

      11:27am | 29/06/12

      Hey! I mentioned Anais back at 7:05am. *sulks*

    • SydneyGirl says:

      12:05pm | 29/06/12

      And so you did. 5 Stars from Sydney Girl to Justme with a cupcake to make up for this regrettable omission.

    • Justme says:

      12:24pm | 29/06/12

      Received with thanks. I love cupcakes.

    • Scotchfinger says:

      12:39pm | 29/06/12

      2 Girls one Cupcake?

    • SydneyGirl says:

      01:22pm | 29/06/12

      What’s in the water today - +1 Scotch!

      This 2G1C sounds like kindergarten stuff if you think of Pier Paolo Pasolini….

    • Cumberbitch Eloise says:

      11:46am | 30/06/12

      @ Hey SydneyGirl…..That’s not Eloise the Cumberbitch…..I am! From now I shall post as ‘Cumberbitch Eloise’ to save confusion. Thought this book one of the most boring, naff and insipid things I’ve read in my life. Want those hours of my life back! By the way SydneyGirl…check out Michael Fassbender in ‘Shame’....

    • SydneyGirl says:

      02:47pm | 30/06/12

      First: Punch, DON’T EAT THIS UP!

      Oh the confusion! Thanks for clearing it up.

      If the Cumberbatch plays this Grey, I am signing up for a movie watch no matter how naff.

      The British Isles are producing way too many good looking men.  Off to check Shame.  In the meantime if the Cumberbatch and Fassy leave you with some time you may enjoy Armitage on the phone grin

      http://richardarmitageonthephone.tumblr.com/

    • Elisha says:

      08:42am | 29/06/12

      You also forgot to mention that the Fifty Shades triolgy is a fan fiction of the Twilight series….... compare the two books and all you have are different names, their all humans and Anastasia Steele is somewhat more in control of herself as she negotiates her ‘contract’ with the ‘Master of the Universe’, Christian Grey.

    • Queerdude says:

      08:51am | 29/06/12

      If porn has to be stopped because it is degrading to women then what about gay porn? Is that OK?

    • Emma says:

      09:30am | 29/06/12

      Only if they are married. wink

    • miloinacup says:

      10:23am | 29/06/12

      Gay porn is A-OK, Queerdude.

    • Alfie says:

      11:06pm | 29/06/12

      Only if they are chicks.

    • Nathan Explosion says:

      08:59am | 29/06/12

      It did actually start as Twilight fanfic, and you can still find it online as “Master of the Universe” if you want to read it and not pay for it.

      I don’t like people filing off the serial numbers and professionally publishing their fanfic.

      YOU ARE PAYING FOR TWILIGHT FANFICTION, PEOPLE.

      And let’s not get into how the ‘author’ gets everything about BDSM culture completely wrong.

    • Elphaba says:

      08:59am | 29/06/12

      I agree.  I can’t see why this is acceptable and porn aimed at men is depraved.  So long as all parties participating have consented (with the right to withdraw that consent), and are over the legal age, who cares?  Good luck to them I say - the money must be fabulous.

      Don’t take anything M T-R says seriously.  The woman is certifiable.  She’ll probably sue me now for saying that.  I do however, look forward to a counter-Punch from her.

      I haven’t read the books.  I have vampire fatigue.  Give me zombies any day - read The Zombie Bible, it’s awesome.

    • AdamC says:

      10:12am | 29/06/12

      Elphaba, I think it is all to do with how some women see men’s sexuality. For many women, male sexuality is inherently selfish, potentially violent and exploitative. To manage the perceived danger of male sexuality, these women feel like they need to impose a socially-enforced sense of shame on men, not dissimilar to the sense of shame society used to impose on women to control their sexuality.

      That is what a lot of the anti-porn (or at least, anti-straight male-directed porn) is all about. Rather than seeing the use of porn as a normal (within reason) part of many men’s sexual habits, it is condemned as either demeaning to women (shame strategy) or dangerous for men’s sexual and emotional health (pseudo science strategy). The latter strikes me as akin to what old-fashioned people thought about masturbation. 

      In reality, of course, lots of perfectly normal, well-adjusted men use pornography and maintain healthy sexual relationships with women.

      BTW, totally agree re the vampires. Though I probably have zombie fatigue too.

    • Inky says:

      10:43am | 29/06/12

      Huh, see, I’ve got zombie fatigue in addition to vampire fatigue. As a gamer, I’ve had to see every game released in the last few years feature a zombie apocolypse DLC or an mod etc.

      Lets see some well done demons for a change, something that gives them depth rather than the usual grr evil monster destroy all etc.

    • Elphaba says:

      11:06am | 29/06/12

      @AdamC, true.  It sounds like an attitude adjustment is in order.  Of course, too much porn is not good for people and relationships.  I’ve seen it warp the perspectives held by men of how women and men interact with one another.  But, talked about openly and used in moderation, it can be an extension of a healthy relationship.

      @Inky, agreed, I do know a lot of games that have been released have used the zombie theme as a kick-off point.  I’m not a serious gamer myself, so I’ve kind of missed all of that, but with the book and film/tv world being blanketed by vampires (and not even good vampires - sh*thouse vampires), I am so over it. smile

    • Mother Duck says:

      01:19pm | 29/06/12

      I can assure Elphaba that a lot of people - particularly people with families - take Melinda Tankard Reist very seriously.  Having worked with children and teenagers for over 20 years in counselling and school situations I can tell you that exposure to porn by young people, is doing them harm.  Porn is fundamentally a selfish past time.  Just that point alone, makes it worthy of scrutiny by a society that should value higher cerebral activities that self stimulation!

    • Markus says:

      01:24pm | 29/06/12

      “I’ve seen it warp the perspectives held by men of how women and men interact with one another.”
      Seems more likely that they’d watch excessive porn because they already had a skewed perspective of how women and men interact with one another.

      I agree on the crusade against fake vampires though. If it can feel human emotion, reproduce, and doesn’t explode in a hellstorm of blood and ash when exposed to sunlight or a stake through the heart, it isn’t a vampire.

    • Elphaba says:

      02:17pm | 29/06/12

      @Mother Duck,

      I’ve seen you post on here before.  I would be interested to know just how much porn the kids you’ve seen affected have been exposed to.  Prolonged exposure, yes.  Accidental/Occasional exposure?  ICB.

      Every kid, at some point, looks at, or sees something that they shouldn’t.  Whether it be a violent movie or video game, or objectionable lyrics in songs, or read sex scenes in books.  Occasionally seeing these things is not going to damage children, particularly if they have parents who are constantly creating an open dialogue - no matter how embarrassing it might be for all involved.

      My parents have bookshelves filled with Wilbur Smith/Robert Ludlum/Tom Clancy etc books.  Being the voracious that I was (and still am), it wasn’t long before I was prowling their bookshelves as an 11 and 12 year old.  I didn’t particularly want to read violent or sexual literature, I just wanted to read something new.  My parents were always pretty strict on what I could watch on TV, but soon realised relaxing the rules a bit wasn’t going to harm me - providing, of course, the highly embarrassing dialogue took place.  I also listened to a lot teenage ‘disenfranchised’ music, and I absolutely loved Kurt Cobain (not exactly a role model).

      I turned out just fine.  Healthy in mind and body, kind to others, hard working and functioning member of society.  I have a close family, no divorce, no drugs, no alcoholism, no dole bludging.  Again, these things seen accidentally, or occasionally, are not screwing children up.  There are other factors, such as neglectful or abusive parents, or bullying, or lack of proper teaching in schools, that are causing kids to come into adulthood with warped perspectives.

      I resent the implication that just because I don’t have children, I can’t possibly understand.  I have parents who I’ve had lengthy discussions about their parenting philosophies. 

      I resent the implication that porn is a selfish pastime - all pastimes undertaken on your own are selfish!  Reading a book is selfish.  Playing a videogame is selfish.  Going to a movie is selfish.  Going to a show/concert/play is selfish.  Going for a run is selfish.  You do those things because you want to, not because someone else wants you to.  There’s nothing selfless about them.

      I resent the implication that just because someone doesn’t do what you want to do - which is to sit around turning lumps of coal into diamonds with your arse - is somehow deficient in their makeup.  Diversity.  Embrace it.  As said above, so long as all parties involved are consenting adults, with the freedom to withdraw consent at any time, and as humanely possible, children are shielded from it, whilst understanding that objectionable material does not screw people up, other people screw people up, then who are you to judge?

      @Markus - agree.  This - what’s the word?  Sanitising.  This sanitising of vampires is puke-inducing.  Soon, nobody will even know who people like Boris Karloff were…

    • AdamC says:

      03:50pm | 29/06/12

      Mother Duck, I actually agree that more should be done to limit the exposure of children to pornography online, especially fetish or violent pornography. I see exposing children to those sorts of images as a form of child abuse.

      Normal adults, however, realise that porn does not, and is not intended to, reflect healthy sexual relationships.

    • Rosie M says:

      09:02am | 29/06/12

      Stephen, I can’t believe you would write a whole article about a book that you haven’t even read. Your research is Wikepaedia! Yourbio says you are a lecturer at university- I hope your students take note of your sloppiness.
      I read the book because of the hype.
      It was the worst book I have read in years (I read about 3 -4 books a month).
      You have a really black and white view of the world if you think all books that have a sex scene in them is porn.
      Do your research before clogging up the punch.
      What this puff pice has to do with your attack on Melinda Tankard Reist is still unclear.

    • PsychoHyena says:

      09:29am | 29/06/12

      @Rosie M The point Stephen is making is that the anti-porn crusaders jump all over say Statue of David and the Birth of Venus and anything involving nudity and/or sex as being porn.

      Given this is their views Stephen is wondering why there has been silence from the anti-porn camp. Whether he has read the book or not is irrelevant to his article.

      His attack against Melinda Tankard Reist is regarding the fact that Ms Reist will go after anything with a little bit of sexuality and aimed at men, the idea of women actually being into BDSM does not fit with Ms Reist’s view of the world, and in fact she goes so far as to say the only reason why women would display in interest in BDSM is because of the sexualisation and pornification of our society. How she explains the prevalence of this prior to porn becoming mainstream is unknown as she refuses to provide responses to questions asked of her.

    • Lauren the second says:

      09:11am | 29/06/12

      For the record, I do agree with this article, and a double standard does exist. But there is a major difference between smut and pornography.

      News flash: 50 Shades of Grey is not the first smutty book females have been seen reading in public. It’s the first book that people are actually aware that is about smut.

      There are also plenty of smutty books written by men that depict a domineering male over a virginal, innocent, reluctant female.

      But watching porn in a public space is considered offensive, because of the bombardment of the content. An eight year old sitting on the train seeing a woman reading 50 Shades of Grey is none the wiser, but having the same eight year old walk pass someone watching porn on a computer in a public space will have an impact.

      You’ll never see me with a copy of the book though: the author writes Twilight fanfiction, which is enough to have me running away from it as fast as I can.

    • Condor says:

      12:54pm | 29/06/12

      I’ve never seen anyone watch porn in public nor do I think that it is a common occurrence

      But that’s not the point. The point is, people like MTR and Gail Dines constantly harp on about the pornification of society and about how all porn is evil and that men are evil and warped for watching it. And this is about porn consumed by individuaks in private. But when a book comes along which is little more than porn for women those women are deafeningly silent about their favourite topic

      That is rank hypocrisy. Either all porn is contributing to an evil pornification society or porn is acceptable across the board as long as it is consensual and consumed in private

    • ZimbaZumba says:

      09:18am | 29/06/12

      These type of books are merely female pornography that objectify men, they are enormously popular with women for erotic pleasure. If objectification of women hurts men that surely the converse holds.

      Men are being held to account for their sexuality and the very concept of masculinity is being analyzed to hell and back. It is about time the same is done for women and femininity.

    • Fiddler says:

      10:12am | 29/06/12

      or we could just leave it all the hell alone and accept people for how they are, and stop telling people how they should live their lives??
      I almost feel like hitting women who tell guys to “man up” for not doing what someone else perceives as their gender duty

    • marley says:

      09:54am | 29/06/12

      OK, one question - I haven’t read the book and it certainly doesn’t sound like something I’d waste my time on - but, in the opinion of those who’ve read it, is it “porn?”  Or is it just a badly written book with a lot of sex scenes in it?

    • Cynicised says:

      11:44am | 29/06/12

      The latter, Marley. It’s erotic fiction. The only thing the first book has going for it (and believe me, the prose is dreadfull, I read it out of curiosity re the hype) is that it is eye-opening in regard to the basis of BDSM for those who’ve led a sheltered life. LOL! I fail to see how prose ever qualifies as “pornography”. To me, porn is essentially visual, the acts are either simulated or performed. It’s just erotic fantasy, where the reader’s imagination plays a part.

    • PsychoHyena says:

      12:50pm | 29/06/12

      @Cynicised, as a practitioner of BDSM I’m actually curious to see how badly they handle the BDSM given that Slothy later mentions it gives an unhealthy and inaccurate view of it.

      Normally I don’t go near any BDSM novels that are written by non-practitioners, though the Gor series is good but offers a slightly more stereotypical view.

      Some other good Erotic novels are “The ABC’s of Erotica” by Malia Mallory if you’re looking for some quick short stories and ‘Kinked Sober’ which, if I remember the blurb right, is about a woman who uses BDSM as a recovery mechanism, the general premise being that by having your life or aspects of controlled by someone else enables you to focus on the aspects needing help.

      If you’re truly curious on what it takes to be a Master/Mistress then the BDSM Master Boot Camp actually gives very good info on the importance of trust the submissive has for the Master/Mistress and the Master/Mistress has for the submissive.

      But Rule #1 if you are looking to engage in this is: It has to be consensual, you may consent to handing your entire being to the control of another but they must also agree to have this level of control.

      As Economist mentions above though, Tantric BDSM is by far the most enjoyable.

    • michellemac says:

      01:01pm | 29/06/12

      Yeah, I want to know this too! I had a copy emailed to me by a friend a few months ago as the “next big thing”. I read the first two pages and gave up and the writing made Twilight look like Shakespeare…then the other day I tried again to skim through to find the dirty bits both because I fancied reading a bit of porn and because I wanted to see if the porn was good enough to make up for the appalling, repetitive and cliched prose and I still could not bear to make my way through that drivel. I am still none the wiser.

      So someone, anyone who has read the book, is it worth reading for the dirty bits or does the poor writing render them as un-erotic I suspect it will…

    • Tim says:

      10:02am | 29/06/12

      Breaking News,
      Feminists are Hypocritical. - story at 11.

    • Kika says:

      10:08am | 29/06/12

      Um… what’s new? Harlequin and Mills & Boon novels have been out for years! Has anyone read those? hahaha. One of my friends used to read them at work (we were 18 year old secretaries with nothing to do). She used to love them. So it’s no wonder she’s loving these ones too. HIlarious.

    • Slothy says:

      10:26am | 29/06/12

      But Stephen, the internet is absolutely chock full of criticisms of this book. It seems like every day my twitter feed has a link to a new post about the worrying aspects of these books. I’m not an anti-porn crusader, so I don’t know if they’re being criticised on that front, but there are plenty of criticisms coming from the pro-porn feminists, especially the kinky ones. The issue isn’t that the books are erotica, it’s that they’re TERRIBLE erotica, with a really inaccurate and unhealthy view of BDSM to boot.  There needs to be criticism of these books and there is, in spades.

      All that aside, I am actually okay with the anti-porn brigade leaving erotic fiction like 50 Shades of Grey alone to focus on porn that uses actual people. You admit yourself nobody is being hurt to make these novels. That is not the case in the mainstream porn industry. While I’m not inherently opposed to porn and think there are examples of it being done ethically, I can’t pretend that the industry is a garden of puppies and lollipop flavoured dildos. The pro-porn feminists have the problematic aspects of 50 Shades of Grey covered, I’m down with letting other focus on ending exploitation in the porn industry.

    • Occam's Blunt Razor says:

      10:48am | 29/06/12

      Well, there are a lot of happy blokes out there at the moment.

      I haven’t read it but it is some of the best money Mrs Razor has ever spent.

    • year of the dragon says:

      12:28pm | 29/06/12

      Speak for yourself.

      I’m worn out.

    • Gerry W says:

      10:59am | 29/06/12

      More and more each day we are being told by idiots what we can and can not do.

    • Kersten says:

      11:01am | 29/06/12

      Completely agree Stephen, and I’m a woman. Last time I checked anyway.

      You can’t trash male-oriented porn constantly and stay silent on that which is aimed at women. If you’ve a problem with porn as a concept then porn is porn is porn…regardless of whether it features a story about Bambi the Back Door Bimbo or Mrs Anastasia Grey the Book Editor.

      I have no problem with the concept of porn in general, but obviously that doesn’t mean that everything which is porn is automatically okay. Like just about anything in life, each case shold be judged on it’s merits. Throwing a blanket “bad” label at a whole industry because of a section of it being morally wrong or corrupt is ridiculous. There wouldn’t be an industry in the world that would escape censure.

    • fem says:

      11:03am | 29/06/12

      I just want to say I am a total feminist…always have been, always will be…I’m all for equal pay, equal opportunity, smashing the glass ceiling in corporations and taking sexual innuendos out of the workplace etc. However I don’t and never will have a problem with porn whether it’s written or filmed porn. As far as I’m concerned with porn online, there’s no moral or ethical issue to me for men to watch it or women to watch it (which they do by the way!!!) Of course I don’t agree with any situation in which women (or men) are exploited and subjected to any non-consentual acts. Sometimes it is worrying that a lot of porn is inherently somewhat violent and I do hope that young men and women get that it is fantasy not real (as I suspect 99% of watchers do!) However it’s an unfortunate stereotype that all ‘feminists’ are anti-porn - (not that I think the author said that by the way). I agree - you can’t hate porn and ignore these books. But let people do what they want to do. It’s fun. It’s harmless. It is like anything else - if you try and stop it people will find a way of doing it anyway…it’s human nature to enjoy this stuff and only a rare few take it too far…

    • Scotchfinger says:

      11:26am | 29/06/12

      I’m a bit of a social dweeb when it comes to ‘the chicks’, but according to my research on women via porn sites, women generally do not voice an opinion, only moan painfully, retch, or murmur, ‘yes, you can do that to me.’ So your post confuses me; are you truly a woman? I must research further afield!

    • Tony of Poorakistan says:

      03:49pm | 29/06/12

      Well, the credo *is* SSC - safe, sane and consensual ...

      PS. please take the ‘t’ out of ‘consensual’, it drives me nuts. As does women who talk about wanting a dominate. They don’t - they want a ‘Dominant’ ie someone to dominate them. One is a noun, one is a verb.

    • Sancho says:

      11:11am | 29/06/12

      There must be an equivalent of Godwin’s law that says the longer a discussion regarding porn continues, the more it approaches a pure state of being nothing but misandrists and misogynists screaming slogans at each other.

    • Dazeddazza says:

      11:13am | 29/06/12

      I was intrigued by an article about these books so obtained the first one and made it about 1/4 way through, eventually giving up.  The writing is trash and the story line is totally predictable.  I didnt get to the BDSM bits, Christian was just shopping for the necessaries when I closed the cover for the last time!!!!
      Would an intelligent women like these books?  They must, the books are very popular, so I guess it is similar to we men reading Playboy for the stories.  Whatever turns you on!

    • Zeta says:

      11:44am | 29/06/12

      I own a digital copy of 50 Shades but I haven’t read it, I did ctrl-F for the words ‘nipple clamps’ and when it didn’t turn up anything I put it down.

      It’s not BDSM without nipple clamps.

    • Aussie Wazza says:

      11:53am | 29/06/12

      Have just been checking my collection of PLAYBOY. You are right. There are articles. I hadn’t noticed them before.

      Your last paragraph ‘With the most mainstream porn of all’. What is it? Where is it? and where can we get it?

      Seriously though the ‘porn’ thing is relative to the time.

      I was discouraged from seeing the movie ‘The moon is blue’ because the word ‘seduce’ was used in it. 

      Then there was my dear old aunty who told us how ‘disgusting’ Payton Place was.

      ‘For example’ she said, flicking through the dogeared copy ‘On page 34, la la la and page 68 dum dum and 96 and 105 and 127 etc.etc..

      She knew every naughty paragraph.

      I fell asleep reading it.

      Too many people with their noses in other peoples business.

    • Kersten says:

      11:57am | 29/06/12

      There’s nipple clamps in it, don’t know why your search didn’t find them.

    • Zeta says:

      12:15pm | 29/06/12

      Right you are, page 487. That this thing has 487 pages is disturbing.

      Christ, the guy sounds like a f***ing car salesman. “The nipple clamps… they’re adjustable.”

      Who says that? Does the ball gag come with a warranty as well?

    • PsychoHyena says:

      02:03pm | 29/06/12

      @Zeta… he actually says that? Please tell me that they are both getting involved in BDSM for the first time. Seriously if there’s a line like ‘The rope… it’s ropey’ there will be no way I’d read it.

    • Sancho says:

      12:33pm | 29/06/12

      Playboy is known for launching the careers of many successful writers, and I would say it’s done a service by introducing many young men to the world of writing and current affairs.  One has to take a break and do something else sometimes, you know.

    • Barb, Gerogina, Fiona, Elissa and Abbi says:

      12:37pm | 29/06/12

      One of the worst books ever written. My girlfriends and I don’t understand the fuss. Two of us thought it was a comedy until we realised it was meant to be a serious work of art…...

    • Aussie Wazza says:

      12:39pm | 29/06/12

      I heard of nipple clamps.

      Tried them by hooking onto nipples on front axles then connected to other car battery.

      Gave a hell of a flash.

      More scary than thrilling and blew all the car electrics.

      We all get our thrills in different ways.

      Nipple clamps are too expensive for me.

    • Carolyn says:

      01:00pm | 29/06/12

      Yawn. The writing, characterisation and so called ‘erotica’ contained in this tome is as brittle, and rots as much as ‘Fifty Spades of Wet Hay’!! The “bandwagon jumping” is astounding…. Sigh. We females can be such lemmings when it comes to popular culture.  Seriously…..there are numerous other books much more titillating than this, which also contain more class. Come to think of it, DH Lawrence must be rolling in his grave. If this is the sort of thing you’re into, try some of the European online book sellers.  ‘The True History of the Kelly Gang’ and ‘Watership Down’ are more erotic. Together!!

    • St. Michael says:

      01:19pm | 29/06/12

      Watership Down is erotic? Oh, Christ—why’d you have to bring the furries out of the closet?

    • Scotchfinger says:

      01:35pm | 29/06/12

      more homoerotic between Hazel and Fiver, I think; however the descriptions of Cowslip almost made me want to visit the local warren…

    • St. Michael says:

      02:45pm | 29/06/12

      ...cannot unsee, Scotchfinger…

    • Scotchfinger says:

      03:14pm | 29/06/12

      *shrug* Beats trying to convince the missus to wear a bunny suit…

    • Carolyn says:

      08:08pm | 29/06/12

      @ St Michael & Scotchfinger….I was only joking about Watership Down, but if they go at it ‘like rabbits’, they would go at it like, well, rabbits. As for ‘plushing’....ten years ago I worked in a major retail shoppin centre, and one day there was a frantic call from a well known toy store. A bloke had selected a stuffed soft toy Simba (Lion King) and proceeded to remove his business suit trousers, undies, then give poor Simba a jolly good ‘roger’ up against the back wall. It was 10am. Kids crying, mothers yelling. The police arrived and commenced interviewing. Then one of the young Constables asked “mate, out of three shelves worth of stuffed Simbas, why THAT particular one?” I could hardly keep a straight face when he responded with “It gave me the look!” as if it were obvious. And all I could think to myself was “guess le needed some pussy…I hope he sends flower and takes him to dinner!”. His lawyer defended this bloke with the premise that his behavour was due to a medical condition causing immediate arousal by and the compulsion to ‘engage with’  stuffed toy animals. He got away with it. Can you imagine this bloke at ‘side-show alley’??

    • Scotchfinger says:

      09:12pm | 29/06/12

      oh dear Carolyn, what a story. I hope the toy store didn’t try to re-sell the Simba toy; I know how some of the major retailers look at their bottom line!

    • Richard Banner says:

      01:01pm | 29/06/12

      If it was a pictorial in a magazine, it would be banned in Australia. If it was a movie, it would be banned in Australia. If it was a business, it would be shut down by the vice squad. If it was written by a man, it would be denounced. It’s a book written by a woman and so it’s on special in Big W.

    • Benevolent Rapscallion says:

      01:17pm | 29/06/12

      I don’t understand all the fuss about this trilogy. As erotica it’s lame. Harlequin has been publishing far better erotica for many years and there is plenty of free erotica online that is vastly superior to 50 Shades. My friends who are into BDSM tell me that the book is nothing like reality in that regard either. ‘Mummy porn’ just seems to be a clever marketing tactic.

    • Zeta says:

      01:18pm | 29/06/12

      I’ve been happily skimming through the book with renewed interest for about an hour.

      I would rather read this than something by Tim Winton, which is about the highest praise I give anything, although it applies to Chinese food menus and Auditor General Reports so that’s not saying much.

      I respect the author for making it through such a herculean venture as writing a 500 page porn book. Good porn is hard to write. Good writing shows, and doesn’t tell, but it’s hard to show sex without resorting to either tacky, undignified language that seems at odds with narration or else the same words repeated so many times they lose their meaning.

      I learned this during the writing of my short lived erotic military thriller series Call of Panties: Panty Grenade.

      My sharpest criticism so far is that the characters are mere cyphers, devoid of any real depth. I don’t know, if you’re pouring out 1000 words of smutty prose for Hustler, your excused for having protagonists as thin as the sheets they cavort on, but given the book’s subject matter - and length, the lack of depth seems inexcusable.

      Christian’s entire reason for his lifestyle seems to be some response to his crack cocaine addicted mother, and now he stumbles through his love life exacting cruel sexual torture on any woman who resembles her. Patricia Cornwall might use that as an easy explanation for a serial killer’s motives in her books which are ostensibly just grisly horror houses of forensic fetishism, but in 50SoG, which in my opinion is much heavier subject matter, this lack of attention seems contrived. Like, seriously, how could you get through that many pages without delving once into the deeper reasons for these character’s behaviour?

      In that sense, it reminds me of Olympic Press era eroticism. Where the characters tumble like little nihilistic balls of sexual repression through Parisian landscapes, devoid of any reason for being. I can imagine William S Burroughs up in whatever heroin fueled heaven he occupies looking down at all these young women clutching their copies of 50 Shades, and smiling.

      I’m obviously not going to read the whole thing, and in all earnesty I don’t think the book lends itself to it. I think the author has perfected literature for the iTunes generation, not so much a complete work, but a series of vignettes you can scroll through until you find a word or phrase that piques your interest.

      Without getting too serious, it’s almost reminicent of early J.G Ballard in that respect, whose Atrocity Exhibition period was not meant to be read sequentially.

      It’s a mixed text, ultimately. But inside it, there’s the seed of an author with genuine potential to properly explore the complex themes of sexual submission and dominance without resorting to punch lines and heavy breathing.

      Zeta gives Fifty Shades of Grey 2 out of 5.

    • Stephen Harrington says:

      01:43pm | 29/06/12

      The name of your “erotic military thriller”... I can’t stop laughing. Hahahaha Brilliant!

    • Milly says:

      01:22pm | 29/06/12

      Pornography is for people who need to get out more.

    • Petery says:

      01:44pm | 29/06/12

      I am a voracious reader and in my younger days would have read this book to see what the fuss was about, but given that it is apparently so badly written I probably won’t bother.

      lots of strange comments about reading habits here.” It is porn ,wouldn’t read it on the train! Embarrassing! “what a load of ..... I rarely travel on the train,but there I saw a woman happily reading it yesterday, and no one turned an eye. they were too busy texting.

      correct me. if I am wrong, but didnt this book become popular as Internet
      fiction,before attracting a main stream publisher. Since the Internet encourages the publication of crap with it’s philosopy that any illiterate can self publish a poorly written book and get rich,it should be held responsible if any blame is to be attached to it’s poor quality.

      if people read more books,spent less time gaming, and texting on their phones, then maybe the quality of what appears in print and on the web might improve.

    • Markus says:

      01:45pm | 29/06/12

      Pornography is for people who have seen the world for what it really is but still decided to take the blue pill.

    • Shane From Melbourne says:

      03:07pm | 29/06/12

      Nothing wrong with the blue pills- it’s the red ones you have to be wary of….

    • Angry Fat Bitch says:

      01:55pm | 29/06/12

      What a mountain out of a molehill. Women have been reading erotic novels for… for who knows how long! The only difference is that we now all have Twitter, so one particular title has gotten a bit more publicity than most would.

      Look I don’t deny that there is a serious case of hypocrisy in society when it comes to male and female sexuality. The women who pay to see Magic Mike aren’t in it for the story, but they then won’t let their husband go to a strip club for a bucks night because it’s “degrading”. And personally, I don’t really get it.

      But the porn-haters have never dissed on erotic fiction in the past… they’re not about to start now just because one particular book is selling well.

    • GKM says:

      02:14pm | 29/06/12

      Aside from the pornography conumdrum, I just want to point out that there is some truely stunning erotic fiction out there - the fifty shades trillogy is not among them.

    • Zeta says:

      02:28pm | 29/06/12

      Anything by Andy McNabb. Vivid descriptions of German sub-machine gun delayed blowback actions get me hot.

    • Tony of Poorakistan says:

      03:45pm | 29/06/12

      Anything by F.E. Campbell. 
       
      Hell, even the Gor books are better than this dross

    • SLF says:

      02:34pm | 29/06/12

      Can we not just decry these books for what they are, truly,truly, truly awful ‘literature’?

      Mummy porn is a side issue in this, the real issue has to be that enough people think these works are worth paying money for.

    • hot tub political machine says:

      02:41pm | 29/06/12

      Been sharpening that knife for a while haven’t we dear author?

      It’s always an odd criticism to attack a writer for not reading in accordance with their critic’s taste. Frankly, as a means of a critiquing Tankard Reist’s writing…….I don’t get it. I find my self disagreeing with roughly a third of her pieces, however much like I wouldn’t critique Marilyn Manson because he didn’t read Narnia enough – I wouldn’t criticise her for her non-reading habits. Its ………weird.

    • Tony of Poorakistan says:

      02:48pm | 29/06/12

      Well, I live in this world. I have two submissives and have been a BDSM practitioner since my twenties. 
       
      The reviews from within the ‘scene’ range from outrage at the characterisation, to wholesale enthusiasm at the thought that it will lead to an influx of BYTs looking to enact their naughty girl spanking fetishes.

      Feel free to PM me if you want copies of any of the reviews (more like opinions, some of them) all of which agree that the writing itself is crap.

    • Shane From Melbourne says:

      03:09pm | 29/06/12

      50 Shades of Grey would be mercilessly panned on a website like Literotica…..

    • Petery says:

      03:25pm | 29/06/12

      As I read it,the term ‘mommy porn’ was made up by some journalist to use as an eye catching headline to get people to read an article on the book. Why is everybody discussing it so seriously as a fictional genre?

      lots of hypocritical double standards here… Condemn the book as porn while simultaneously salivating at the thought of reading it. This is the marketing secret of turning a piece of poorly written crap into a best selling success.

      convince enough people that they will be shocked to read it, and they will want to read it in spite of it. By the time they find out that it was a waste of time, the
      author has their money,  and is on the way to becoming undeseverdely rich. Harold Robbins did this many times in his career, and the public fell for it many times. there is nothing new here, except the same publishing con game.

    • Jaydee says:

      03:58pm | 29/06/12

      Women get turned on by the mind, words, a whisper in the ear, a knowing smile, a promising phone call, a note. Men are visual, hence the likes of playboy. Why this book has caused a sensation I don’t know. Perhaps there is still shock that women, including mothers, actually LIKE sex as opposed to the media constantly telling us that men want it and women still don’t or shouldn’t from some of the comments written. Have a look around next time you see a woman reading a new “mills and boon” especially “blaze”. See that smile on her face? She is not reading about furtive glances, a stolen kiss and maybe some bodice ripping from years ago. Quite often some of the hottest scenes around wrapped up with romance, and I can read it in public. Occasionally I get caught, normally by a much older women with a knowing smile. grin

    • renold says:

      04:23pm | 29/06/12

      I actually went out with a woman for a while who suggested we should watch porn…...moment she suggested it…was the end of the relationship.

    • Scotchfinger says:

      05:02pm | 29/06/12

      @renold, the poor girl, she probably only suggested it because she thought you’d like it. I had a girlfriend like that once; it was a bit weird, but then again, so was she.

    • renold says:

      05:19pm | 29/06/12

      @ Scotchfinger
      I’m so not in that porn crap

    • Robert S McCormick says:

      04:03pm | 29/06/12

      Depending on each individual’s attitude to porn it can be “Horrid” “Depraved” “Disgusting” or “Fun”
      I find it odd that people who claim they have never, ever watched porn automatically brand it the three former. Never as “Fun”
      Given the amount of physical & sex abuse by members of Religious Orders & Religious-but-Lay Groups, male & female, perpetrated by them against children I find it equally odd that they are amongst the people loudest in their condemnation of “Porn”!
      Normal men & women, of diverse sexuality, whom I know all admit to having seen porno films. Without exception they all find it BORING…BORING…!
      However, they, like myself, think there is a place in society for “Porn” - both visual & written.
      Let’s put aside our personal distaste (or feeling of boredom) and look at it from another perspective.
      There are an awful lot of lonely, dysfunctional, sexually inadequate, shy men & women - no matter their sexuality - who cannot sustain a relationship for all sorts of reasons yet they have a sex-drive which needs tobe satisfied - even if solo!
      So….
      Which is better: They buy or hire or watch on the internet porno films, read books etc.
      To be blunt this helps them “Get their rocks off”. Once their, to us, sad little solo performance is over the sex-drive is satisfied for the time being.
      OR…
      Do they go out & sexually molest, up to & including, the Rape of some adult male or female or, even worse, some child?
      “Use Prostitutes” we might say.
      Yes, that would be an alternative but lets not forget that Prostitution is, though available, not legal in many places, it is not regulated & therefore there is no guarantee that those who choose to become Prostitutes (Male & Female) will maintain their Sexual Hygeine, Practice “Safe Sex” etc. Thereby putting themselves & their clients at risk of Syphillis, HIV-to HIV-AIDS & other nasty STDs.
      With “porno” this won’t happen. No-one is forced to watch or read it. At the same time why shouldn’t those who do want to do so be prevented from doing so.
      The whole issue should be left to individuals to decide what they want.
      Yes, there is the old argument that “porn” is degrading to those who “star” in it but are they all desperate drug-dependent losers who will do anything to get the money for their next “fix”? No, of course they’re - at least we can assume that the males who take part in it aren’t for, to be blunt, if they were they would, in all probability, be unable “To Rise to the Occasion” if they were!!
      If the docos which SBS has shown in recent times are any indication those who do take part in making porn do it for the money, they claim they are not forced into it. It is their choice so by what right does any preacher, Holy Nellie have to say they can’t exercise that choice?
      No-one is forced to take part. No-one is forced to see or read it.
      Let the solo wankers, masturbators, users of fresh liver do as they please so long as they do it in private for that way they are neither exploiting nor hurting anyone.

    • Utopia Boy says:

      05:51pm | 29/06/12

      Sex is sex.
      To enjoy observing it is a normal, human state for some. Just like BDSM and group sex are the fantasies (reality) for others.

      Rough sex, romantic sex, sex outdoors, in the shower - you know what? The ‘porn is bad for you argument’ is dead.
      Give it up.

    • ?? says:

      06:38pm | 29/06/12

      i found this book boring

    • stephen says:

      11:56pm | 29/06/12

      I was recommended to a web-site to view pictures of the massacre - dead children too, and in all the gory pictures, especially with children with their hands tied -  at Houla in Syria, by Assad’s Army, but on the same site was advertisements for sex by prostitution, and it struck me how the same sentiment of porn is the same as that of gore : It’s like Freud in all his angles, but without his colours.

    • Gail says:

      09:29am | 30/06/12

      Women are as sex crazed as men especially the lonely housewife.Many have secret affairs or dream of it.

    • John of Morayfied says:

      06:42pm | 30/06/12

      At the end of the debate, the truth has finaly been revealed. The majority of people, regardless of gender or sexual preference, love pornography. Sex is a universal industry, we all love some sort of sexual fantasy. Some like to read ‘erotic stories, look at erotic photographs and films, enjoy the toys and / or enjoy time with sex workers. Sex always has been and always will be a much needed industry. Even many who reject it as filth and depravity in order to protect their ‘clean image’ are human and love the sex industry in some fashion.

    • Servaas says:

      10:57pm | 30/06/12

      Is this not perhaps the result of a scoiety whose men were hijacked by porn and now its women turn to books to have their sexual needs fulfilled?

    • Colin says:

      11:22pm | 30/06/12

      For a start, it is horde, not hoard. Second, you did not say whether the BDSM involved male dominance or female dominance. As men tend to be stronger, male dominance can easily get out of hand, taking the choice away from women. There is nothing manly about picking on the weak. With female dominance, men can break free from it easier if it goes awry. Women are relatively harmless. But the objectionable thing about porn is that most of it involves the degradation of women. Then guys get socialised into thinking that is the norm. Switch the roles, men can handle it.

    • julia says:

      11:40am | 01/07/12

      Talk about stretching a long bow. Who decided Fifty Shades of Grey was pornographic? A publicist? Melinda Tankard Reist objects to children being exposed to pornographic images, and she has research to back her up. You haven’t even read the book!  Try a bit harder next time.

    • Shelly Stone says:

      11:02am | 02/07/12

      I read lots of books, and I study literature. I am very similar to Ana except the fact I would NEVER become a sex slave. It’s a story, and yes it’s a bit porny, but so is True Blood, Game of Thrones, most Jackie Collin’s books. How does a book about sadist masochism differ from a book about hard drug abuse, prostitution, or something else as equally as horrifying?

      It’s a story about a subject, and there are people out there who will be able to relate.

 

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