I recently let the world know that I am expecting twins.

My, aern't you looking big. Cartoon: Eric Lobecke.

I had read the chapter on pregnancy and other people in my new bible, ‘What to expect when expecting,’ by Sharon Mazel and Heidi Murkoff so had braced myself for some inappropriate tummy touching and some well-meaning pregnancy advice.

I thought I was prepared. How wrong can you be?

“Are they IVF?” was a typical first remark. Even my husband’s golf pro asked.

An acquaintance at a wedding took it one step further asking whether I had, “experienced difficulties getting pregnant.” I hardly know him.

I had expected, “do they run in the family?” maybe, “Are they identical?” Yet no one asked those fairly non-intrusive questions.

Then there is the decision take overs and verbal finger waving. For instance, at a recent outing for a birthday lunch, where plenty of sauvignon blanc was being consumed, I ordered one glass of pinot noir. Normal size glass of pinot noir.

As our waiter placed the wine in front of me, a friend eyed the glass, rose up from the table, pointed in my direction and screeched down the length of the twenty-seat table, “That’s huge! You should only have a bit of it.”

Every subsequent sip felt scrutinised.

When it came time for dessert, affogatos were ordered for the table and the same, “considerate” friend piped up that I would have, “one without coffee or Frangelico,” before I could even get a word out.

I was actually going to pass on dessert but in any event would have liked to have spoken for myself.

Aside from having decisions made for me about how much I’ll eat and what I’ll eat, I have also been cross examined at work on my choice of footwear, “would your doctor mind you wearing those heels?”; my exercise, “you won’t be running to work anymore will you?”; and even my hormones, “do you still enjoy having sex?” and that from a bloke.

A work friend said this in your face probing was just, “Australian bluntness.” I’m English, my Dad is an Australian and so is my husband so I am not buying that. I suspect modern life has made privacy a thing of the past.

Another colleague suggested that such questions were a natural reaction these days because infertility touched so many people’s lives and advised me not to consider them intrusive.

I can’t help thinking that if I was expecting just one child, the IVF question would not have come up.

It’s funny how pregnancy changes the general perception of how a woman can be treated and what can and cannot be said to her.

At this stage I’m still not sure what the ‘cannot’ bit is, so I thought a few tips on what not to discuss with expectant ladies wouldn’t go amiss particularly in the workplace.

Questions and topics to avoid:

  • Anything to do with IVF or fertility unless you are a very close friend or confidante
  • Speculation on how huge the ‘mother to be’ will become
  • Anything to do with stretchmarks, saggy skin or post baby tummy tucks
  • Questioning their choice of food or beverage
  • Horror stories about labour
  • Making “I know what’s right for you” decisions for your pregnant friend, however well-meaning, without consulting them first
  • Remarking on how big she has become. Find something nice to say - not a comment that re emphasises how huge she knows she already is
  • Making personal comments about your friend’s clothes or shoes unless they’re complimentary. Your colleague or friend is not stupid. She is seeking expert advice so leave it to her to decide when she stops wearing heels or buys her first maternity dress
  • Asking about her intentions to breast feed and then expressing your own opinion on the matter
  • Screwing up your face with concern when asking how on earth your friend will cope after the birth

Anything else you would add?

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    • stephen says:

      05:29am | 22/01/10

      Is it mine ?

    • Clint says:

      06:25am | 22/01/10

      Is it my brother’s?

    • Tara says:

      10:49am | 22/01/10

      I think the author is being entirely oversensitive.  This might be the way she feels, but other women do not necessarily feel likewise.  If she thinks it is bad now, she’d better toughen up because once the twin pram is unveiled and the babies in situ, the interest increases twofold.  I had twins 18 months ago and found that the interest shown by friends from strangers alike, was on the whole encouraging and supportive.  Feeling ‘special’ definitely helped me get through things.

    • K says:

      02:53pm | 22/01/10

      Is it Tiger’s?

    • bloke says:

      04:23pm | 22/01/10

      is it my best mates ????

    • ROo says:

      08:18am | 23/01/10

      Tara don’t waste your enery getting so worked up over this piece. It’s more than obvious the author is having a bit of fun. I’ve got four children under the age of eight and it is true, people do say stuff they wouldn’t normally says when you’re preganant. We know eydon’t mean it but they find it hard for some reason to sensor themselves.

    • tomi says:

      01:38pm | 24/01/10

      are you the mother?

    • Chris says:

      08:02am | 22/01/10

      I think it is not necessarily the questions that should be avoided but how to answer those that come your way. Have some fun and bring in the fact you do not know who the father is. If you have several children intimate that each one has a different daddy - hell at Xmas but the government money is great.
      My wife who has had three children in four years got so fed up with the questions, she started doing this - quite entertaining and if people get upset then blame it on the hormones.
      I even had a go myself. I have been blessed with beautiful children (thanks to their mum) and my son has striking blue eyes that attracts attention. Two women approached and said “Isn’t he georgeous!!’ my response was Thank you and the baby is pretty cute too. The looks from them was well worth it. You have to have fun where you can get it.

    • Liz says:

      08:05am | 22/01/10

      Big ask in this day and age,you were born too late for the type of courteous you request.
      Natural twins are probably less likely these days than the artificially conceived kind.It’s a natural question,sad but true.
      My advice to pregnant women has always been ‘never listen to advice’
      Anyway what on earth are you wasting your time on here for asking for a beat-up?

    • Margaret Gray says:

      08:14am | 22/01/10

      “...Anything else you would add?...”

      Here you go:

        Did you know Danni Minogue is pregnant as well?  You can get daily updates in the Herald-Sun.

        Don’t you think Naiyyohmee is a great name?

        Will you be doing the organic thing?  I did.  It’s really good for brain development.

        Have you thought about a caesar?  It’s soooo convenient.

        Have you been to bikram class for expectant mothers yet?

        Have you put your name down at Dust Magnets Daycare yet?

        How soon will you go back to work?

        Will you be sending Baby Einstien to Mini Maestro’s?

      That should keep you going for awhile.

    • JJ says:

      08:37am | 22/01/10

      One of my best friends was recently pregnant and everyone felt it gave them the all clear to tell her absolutely every pregnancy and birth horror story they had ever heard. Why!?

      What on earth could that accomplish? Um… maybe increase an expectants mother’s anxiety levels perhaps?

      As she said to me: ‘Just stick to congratulations!’

    • Hans says:

      08:44am | 22/01/10

      I don’t think people mean to be rude they’re just joining in the baby chat and you’re probably, like most Mums to be, a little more vulnerable and sensitive to people’s badly worded comments.

    • Jack says:

      08:49am | 22/01/10

      I’m glad someone finally vocies how uncomfortable it is to be a pregant woman. I know my girlfriend actually felt descriminated against when we were expecting our first child. People wouldn’t dream of telling a female she was looking rather large or question a choice of food is she weren’t pregnant so why when you are. Think people before you speak.

    • E Smythe says:

      05:35pm | 24/01/10

      So true - I can totally relate.  I’m currently 37 weeks pregnant and am so tired of total strangers’ lack of diplomacy.  I’ve been asked too many times whether I’m SURE I’m not expecting TWINS.  Oh and people love to remind me of how huge I am.  Like I don’t know it, see it and feel it already.  The only positive comment I have had is someone said to me, “you make pregnancy look good!”  Such a nice welcome comment - nobody else would dare give me a compliment!

    • Candice Pendergast says:

      08:50am | 22/01/10

      My favourite when I was pregnant (mind you I was quite young).

      “Is this a good thing?” That was the first time.

      The second, from a completely different person:

      “Are we celebrating?”

      And then one more for the big money:

      “What did your Dad say?”

      Mind you I was 22, not 16. My only problem now is two babies have left me with people asking me: “When is it due?”

      Grrrr….

    • Belly says:

      09:15am | 22/01/10

      Oh Candice I just love the “are we celebrating?” I’m wiping the tears from my eyes!

    • Ish says:

      10:25am | 22/01/10

      Lol I was 22 when I had my daughter also, although I looked younger. I got:
      “Was it planned?”
      I also got lots of filthy looks from older women, usually mothers themselves. You would think women would be nicer to each other but I guess not.
      I also got the “When is it due?” line a few months after having my baby

    • stephen says:

      11:04pm | 22/01/10

      Is that your real name ?

    • Sue says:

      01:12pm | 23/01/10

      Yes. The rule is, if people have announced they are pregnant then that answers the question. They are celebrating. Usually. But not always. I followed a rule of always congratulating and being excited for people as our family was sick to death of reactions like “Oh Shit” when a pregnancy was announced. Then my neighbour got pregnant. She was 32 and her other kids were 12 and 10. She was absolutely furious with her husband (she was from a culture where it was his responsibility).  She was embarrassed and thought she was way too old to be having babies. (oh how times change, this was in the mid 80s).  She and her husband didn’t speak to eachother for a month they were so p’d off.  No good trying to congratulate them at that stage.  .... and you know that baby when she was born was the most doted on adored baby I have ever met.  The entire family thought she was just the best thing..
      .. so I guess what I’m saying is that when dealing with pregnancy it’s just like other situations. Pay careful attention to what the person themselves is communicating and follow their lead. If they’re not telling you intimate things, then don’t ask intimate questions. If they seem happy, be happy for them. If they are angry or worried… you get my drift.

    • Georgie says:

      08:54am | 22/01/10

      Our gym instructor at work pointed out to me that I could exercise when 8 months pregnant because his gym instructor did? (Mind you I never exercised prior to being pregnant) I was so mad at him, and pointed out that she was actually doing her job as a gym instructir and I at eight months was also doing my job, and certainly wouldn’t expect his gym instrcutor to take up serious analytical work at 8 months. Advise is a great thing to have, the problem is that no one is thinking about how appropriate that advise is to you, only that you should have it.

    • Kate says:

      08:55am | 22/01/10

      Love the blog Zsa. I have asked someone about exercise. You just don’t realise until it is too late that you probably should have kept you mouth shut. A friend sitting with me now said she made comment to a woman with twins in stroller, ‘you must have been huge!” and then asked her about back problems. Oh lord, how intrusive is that? I like Liz’s comment about how in this era, people just don’t do the courtesy thing. Sad but true. Congratulations to you Zsa and to the Dad - obviously not Stephen or Clint’s brother - how cheeky are they?

    • Bec says:

      09:12am | 22/01/10

      I can completely relate - but from the other side. When I tell people that my husband and I aren’t having children we’ve gotten:

      “How could you be so selfish?” (this from one of my brother’s friends whom I had never met - needless to say my brother kicked him out of the house and I haven’t seen him around anymore)
      “Shooting blanks is he?”
      “Are you saying you just don’t like children?” (usually with an accusing stare - a really ironic question considering i’m a SCHOOL TEACHER)
      “Why? No, I mean really, tell me why!”
      (when we tell them there is an issue with my husband’s fertility) “Well you could still do IVF” (when told that won’t work because of his issues) “then just use donor sperm”
      “Well then why don’t you adopt?”

      So, you are not alone. And it’s not just an Australian thing - I really think that these days people believe they can ask anything. I’d like to point out that most of these questions were asked by mere aquaintances - not true friends (although after a few drinks the friends harp in too - and by that I mean friends with kids - my childless friends don’t ever consider mentioning it). And I agree with Chris that humour can defuse the situation. Some of my favourites include:
      “Sure I like kids, I just couldn’t eat a whole one’.
      “No, we blew all our baby money on our trip to Europe”
      “That’s right we are selfish - we just bought that big tv after all”
      “I do have kids, about 150 each year - I just get to hand them back at the end of the day”.

    • Liz says:

      04:34pm | 22/01/10

      Just goes to show we need much more sensitivity and kindness in our dealings with others..So many assumptions,so much ignorance.
      Don’t even get me started on the adoption one,time we realised some kids need good parents not that kids become available to make peoplearents.

    • Jo Ashmore says:

      09:20am | 22/01/10

      I love the way those who are already mothers like to tell you that your hopes and expectations are completely unrealistic. Hoping for a natural birth? You’ll be screaming for an epidural in transition. Reading every pain management book you can get your hands on? You’ll forget it all the minute you go into labour. Planning on using cloth nappies? You’ll get bored of that after a week.
      Please just let me try to do it my way! Nod and smile, mums, nod and smile. Later, we can laugh together - or maybe even celebrate some of my wins.

    • Budz says:

      09:37am | 22/01/10

      “Wow, you ARE getting fat”

    • Damian says:

      10:01am | 22/01/10

      There is a filter we (normally) wear when communicating with people, for some inelegant reason, it is removed when providing an opinion.

      We have lots of children - and the comments come on like a barrage of live ammunition fire when walking around at the shops:
      * You should stop
      * (Horror) Why would you have so many?
      * Are they all yours?
      * Haven’t you figured out what causes it yet?
      There are many sarcastic, flippant answers that we now have as an arsenal of reply - the reality is:
      “I do not know you, nor do I care what your opinion is, just because you feel an obsessive compulsive need to share it - does not mean you have to.”

      The most important thing to remember before opening your mouth: is that you are one person amongst thousands who all think they have the right to share their little gem of wisdom with you - it can get a little tiring.

      Enough vitriole - congratulations Zsa Zsa on your pregnancy, enjoy it whilst you can, it will be over all too soon grin

    • Matt says:

      10:08am | 22/01/10

      “Whose is it?”

      And my personal fave (and yes, guilty…):

      “Congratulations, when’s it due?” - “I’m not pregnant.”

    • Blank Filler says:

      10:39am | 22/01/10

      Congratulations on the twins Zsa Zsa!!! 

      As I am expecting twins myself I can completely relate to the comments that have been made to you (especially the IVF one…it was the first thing my cousin said to me after I told her I was pregnant although I can understand when the radiographer asked me on my second ultrasound.  It’s something to do with how things are growing and where everything is positioned).

      Perhaps the nicest thing anyone has said to me was a nice old lady at a thrift shop in country NSW who said to me it’s a double blessing.  The funniest thing I’ve heard (it wasn’t said to me) was the comment made to my fiance, “YOU DA MAN!!”

      All the best Zsa Zsa
      xxx

    • Hannah says:

      10:43am | 22/01/10

      I’m with Hans on this - people just want to join in. Granted some of those comments were very rude, but I’ve heard pregnant women complain about far less - and you can’t win, as if you don’t take an interest that is also rude. Admittedly my sympathy levels for those expecting children are quite low. I’m not saying it’s easy but if you are blessed with a loving partner and are expecting a child/children together that makes you just about as lucky as can be in my book.

    • Samantha says:

      10:47am | 22/01/10

      newsflash - I’m not pregnant and i don’t want to hear horror stories about labour either.  All my friends that have become mothers have enthusiastically shared all the gory details of the birth with me…and my own mother wonders why I’m not having kids. 

      Can I submit my own list of things not to discuss with people who aren’t expecting or don’t have children?  I don’t want to hear about your hemroids, episiotomy, cracked nipples, nappy changing or endless complaints about how expensive childcare is.  Thanks

    • Tracksnack says:

      11:27pm | 23/01/10

      I agree!  There is a totally selfish pregnant woman at my work who thinks nothing of coming into the lunchroom and starting on (in gory detail) about her labour, operation, and the “aftermath”.  Please.  I do not want to know.  But somehow because I am a woman who is not interested in kids whatsoever, I am the one with the problem!  Not all of us want to have them, and we certainly don’t want to know about your pregnancy!

    • BT says:

      10:52am | 22/01/10

      I’ve never had children but I know I’ve said some pretty daft things to those expecting basically because I have no idea what to say, I don’t know what the whole process is like and I’m not all that interested. I know I’m supposed to be all excited but to be honest all I think of is another number adding to an already overburdened planet. Sorry if that is harsh but it’s true.

    • Renee says:

      11:06am | 22/01/10

      My personal favourite is “have you thought of any names yet?”
      then upon my reply of 3 or 4 names…
      “oh.
      uhhh you want that??
      *screws up face and cringes*
      thats… interesting”

      The names aren’t Shaniqua or Halitosis or Chlamydia
      -Lee. they’re Charlotte, Abigail and Lily.

      There’s also a girl at my work who, when i announced my pregnancy was so body orientated. She’s spoken to me about 8 times since i announced it (although i do avoid her) and not once does she ask how the pregnancy is going… Its always “are you fat yet?”, “have you gotten big yet?”, “hey big belly, come help us eat some of this food!”.
      Does anyone give me permission to hit her?? - I can just twirl my hair around my finger and say it’s the hormones.

      Thank you for this article… i’m going to email around the link to all the people i know will laugh with me as they read it… and to the b***h in Town Planning who seems to not think things through before she says it.

    • Delphine says:

      11:39am | 22/01/10

      Yes! Some useful suggestions or maybe reminders, that the-free-for-all discussion (sic), aired via all forms of media, doesn’t mean that everyone wishes every aspect of their personal lives to be public, nor should it be. I guess it’s the penalty we pay for becoming better informed.  Think yourself loved that people are so interested and concerned for you.

    • Razor says:

      12:14pm | 22/01/10

      Congratulations.

      I highly recomend “The Contented Baby” by Gina Ford for once the kids arrive.  Both of you need to read it before you have the kids.

      And keep drinking the wine - or Obo/Gyno gave us that advice - just don’t go getting hammered.

      Cheers

    • Brian says:

      12:15pm | 22/01/10

      well, you shouldn’t drink while pregnant - show some restraint

    • Cranky Mum says:

      10:45am | 23/01/10

      Says who? There’s no evidence that a couple of drinks over the course of a pregnancy will do any harm at all. It’s excessive drinking that causes problems. There’s nothing worse than some ignorant, sanctimonious p***k telling you you’re not looking after your baby. How the hell would you know what the mother’s been doing over the pregnancy? And, yes, I had exactly TWO drinks in total over the course of both my pregnancies. I didn’t take kindly to people trying to tell me that I ‘shouldn’t’. Mind your own business.

    • Sick of Excuses says:

      08:00pm | 23/01/10

      Actually CRANKY MUM there IS EVEIDENCE saying you shouldn’t drink while your pregnant, because scientist say they DO NOT know what a safe amount of alcohol is when drinking while pregnant, and reconmend NOT DRINKING AT ALL. Mainly due to the fact that what ever goes into the mouth of the mother goes to bub first. And considering how small they baby is, and their liver, it is really a bad idea to do.

      Don’t abuse others about ‘drinking while pregnant’ comments just because you are trying to justify what you did while you were pregnant! Get your facts straight before you go off like that. And how do I know that is is not safe to DRINK AT ALL WHILE PREGNANT, I did my own reading research while pregnant and found out it is not safe! Do your own research and you will see for yourself! 

      Honestly ladies, not drinking for nine months while pregnant for the sake of your babies isn’t exactly a hard ask.

    • Mistress D says:

      06:35am | 25/01/10

      I can’t wait to be pregnant and subject to what everyone else thinks I should do with my body and my baby, mainly because I’ll relish the opportunity to tell people to just shove off.

      I’ll especially like it because everyone is an expert nowerdays, type something into a search engine on the Internet and you know everything there is to know. Sad really, when you consider how far we’ve come we’ve still got the idea that “this is the definate way to be a parent” stuck in our head.

      I’ll be following the “If Mamma ain’t happy, ain’t nobody happy” path and stuff the rest of them.

    • H of SA says:

      12:31pm | 22/01/10

      Ok I’ll paint a target on myself. Much of what you have gone through it bloody rude, but not the alcohol one.

      There is no safe level of alcohol to drink during pregnancy - thats what research shows. Child protection is a community concern and therefore the community is following its duty by scrutinising the alcohol consumption of pregnant women.

    • zoe says:

      01:06pm | 22/01/10

      I absolutely loathed anybody telling me to enjoy it, I was a raging mess of angry hormones pretty much the whole time, so it’s a wonder somebody didn’t get there face ripped off.

    • Sue says:

      01:03pm | 23/01/10

      Yes. I absolutely agree. I hated being pregnant. Loved the fact I was having babies but hated the pregnancy part, I felt like I’d been ripped out of my own body and plonked in someone elses. Didn’t like the same foods any more. Felt uncomfortable all the time. Strange aches and pains. Couldn’t stand up in one place only walk or sit down or I would faint. For one of the pregnancies I couldn’t string a coherent sentence together!  Sure there are some up sides, feeling the baby move.  Yep actually that’s the only up side.

    • White Rabbit says:

      01:22pm | 22/01/10

      I’d have to agree with the non-drinking comments…there is no safe level of alcohol to consume while prgenant…not just my opinion but medical fact. It comes from my OB (amongst other medical sources), who is one of the top OB’s in Australia - the guy isn’t the best in the business for nothing.

      I too am preganant with twins, due in late March so not long to go. I have laid off the alcohol the entire pregnancy, even well before - since February last year. I’m doing it because it’s what’s best for my childrens brain and physical development and not once have I felt tempted to have one ‘little’ sip. Honestly, if you can’t show restraint then you shouldn’t be having children - it’s only for 9 frigging months of your life which could have a massive effect on the lives and development of those children! They don’t get the choice whether or not to consume that normal sized glass of vino that you pour down your throat.

    • James says:

      02:34pm | 22/01/10

      Equally, for those of us that are not pregnant, there is no safe level of judgment or criticism of someone who is.  Look down your nose at Zsa all you like, it just makes you look self-righteous and judgmental, and I must say I feel sorry for your twins if you will act towards them the same way as they get older.

    • H of SA says:

      02:46pm | 22/01/10

      James, Criticising someone for being judgemental and then saying you feel sorry for their kids - you just don’t see irony like that most days, you really don’t

    • White Rabbit says:

      03:02pm | 22/01/10

      Err James, lets hope that you never have the chance to perpetuate offspring in your life time as you undoubtedly will cause them harm with an attitude like that. I reserve the right to ‘look down my nose’ at anyone who knowingly causes harm to their child/children whether they be unborn or not. A child abuser can be the mother of an unborn child too you know.

      I am not self righteous by any means, the medical facts are what they are. People like you and Zsa Zsa who choose to ignore them do so knowingly and therefore if you expose yourself on a public forum you should be prepared to cop the flack.

      Thanks for the personal attack on my unborn children too, but it really doesn’t ruffle my feathers so why don’t you stick to what you’re good at - denial. Oh and while you’re at it do just a little bit of research into fetal alcohol syndrome and what alcohol consumption during pregnancy can do to a developing brain…then you might actually be somewhere in the ball park of actually being remotely qualified to discuss the subject.

    • BrissyGal says:

      04:18pm | 22/01/10

      OMG, how opinionated are you!

    • White Rabbit says:

      09:20pm | 22/01/10

      Yes I am BrissyGal…very much so when it comes to ignorant people who get their knickers in a knot when confroned with blatant facts. Also, I am qualified to speak about fetal alcohol syndrome, so why not engage in a discussion when there are people posting who obviously have their heads in the sand.

      It’s a hardline attitude I know, but in all seriousness the harm that alcohol (in fact any toxic substance) can do to an unborn fetus is incredible and is well documented. Most people have know idea because they’re not educated on the issue. So with as much civility as I can muster, which isn’t much as I do not tolerate fools gladly, stick that in your proverbial pipe and smoke it.

    • Becca says:

      09:58pm | 22/01/10

      Medical professionals change their advice all the time, sometimes over the course of a few years. I have had 3 kids over 3 years (so not a very long time frame!), and was told to completely abstain from drinking by one doctor, and yet another said that anything up to a few glasses a week was fine. If you are so completely over-protective that you feel having a sip of wine may damage your baby, then you need to move into a hermetically sealed bubble for your entire pregnancy (and beyond).

    • Megs says:

      11:49am | 23/01/10

      My ob who is also deemed ‘one of the best in Australia’ told me that small amounts of alcohol ie; one standard drink occasionally is fine. I am 38 weeks pregnant and I have chosen to trust his judgment. If you choose to follow other information given to you by your care provider then that is to be respected. Judging other people who are following their doctor’s advice is particularly unhelpful. And just a bit nasty and unnecessary. No one was talking about shots of Jagermeister….

    • claire says:

      09:26pm | 23/01/10

      totally agree! I gave up any forms of booze months before I got pregnant and have not had a drop since our son was born almost 4yrs ago - still trying to figure out why people need to feel that its A-OK to inflict thinks like booze and ciggi smoke on an unborn babe -

    • White Rabbit says:

      10:10am | 24/01/10

      Ladies, I am more than qualified to speak about the damage alochol can do to an undorn child…I sincerely suggest that instead if just taking the advice from just one source (your OB) that you delve into the issue a little deeper, meaning research and read independant studies and seek a second medical opinion if you must. The placenta does not filter all toxic substances as was once believed and chemicals from smoking, alcohol and drugs (perscription or otherwise) still cross that barrier. That is a medical fact. There seems to be an ideaology in this country that if the doctor says it’s true then it must be! Granted many of them spend many years studying and then years practicing their profession, however many do not update their medical skills or even bother to change their viewpoints when new medical evidence is paraded infront of their noses. It’s called the GOD complex, read about it.

      Becca - I am not over protective…lol….I am just educated and continue to research issues that affect embryos and the fetus while in utero. The fact that you were told by two different medical professionals that alcohol was Ok and one said to abstain, proves my point above. There needs to be a medically concentrated concenus on the consumption of alcohol (and other toxic substances) while pregnant. In my opinion, by not informing yourself of all the choices and possible risks during pregnancy you are not doing yourself or your unborn child any favours.

      Megs - same for you. I respect that you’ve been ‘told’ by your OB that it’s Ok to consume alcohol, however when it really comes down to it, it’s your responsibility to ensure that what you drink and consume during preganancy is safe. Doing your own research and being informed is what it’s all about. It doesn’t hurt and you might just learn something that changes your preception and creates a paradigm shift in your thinking. As I said above, I am qualified to speak about this topic and furthermore I did not actually require my OB to tell me that alcohol consumption during pregnancy is not safe. There are plenty of studies available on the net and if you’re paranoid about reading them, visit your state or local library, look up the medical journals and READ about it.

    • cats says:

      05:55pm | 24/01/10

      I agree with everything you’ve said White Rabbit. Then again i’m a binge drinker and only value alcohol because it makes me drunk, so there is no reason for me to have a drink if i were pregnant. I don’t get these people who say “but its only one drink” - well one drink does not give you any extra enjoyment so why drink it anyway?

    • Michellemac says:

      02:02pm | 22/01/10

      My favourite “was it planned?” Think about it, what is the questioner REALLY asking?

      Never say to a woman in the final weeks of pregnancy - and ESPECIALLY if she has gone overdue - “it will come when it is ready”.

    • Jane says:

      02:05pm | 22/01/10

      From the other side.  I recently went home from work sick with a stomach bug.  When I came back I was bombarded with questions from well meaning but extremely annoying colleagues asking me “you’re pregnant aren’t you?”  despite telling them that I am 100% sure I am not (hard to be pregnant when you can’t concieve!). Since then I have even had a person give me a lecture me about medication and pregnancy when she saw me pop a couple of asprin for a headache. I told her that I wasn’t pregnant. her reply was “I wouldn’t be so sure about that.”. 

      Apparently these days you just aren’t allowed to be married, in your thirties and a bit sick without being pregnant as well.  Grrr..

    • Bec says:

      02:23pm | 22/01/10

      Absolutely Jane, with you 100% on that one!!

    • Alicia says:

      04:18pm | 23/01/10

      I have experienced the same thing. I met my current boyfriend a little over four years ago and we were working together in a supermarket for the first year. If I called in sick my boyfriend was bombarded with “is she pregnant??” by most of the female staff. It was extremely frustrating, I was never allowed to be sick without it being something more (and it never was).

      If it wasn’t that, it was “when are you going to have kids?!”. Never mind that I was only 21 at the time, and we’d only been dating for less than a year!

    • Bec says:

      02:24pm | 22/01/10

      it’s not just pregnant ladies who get the ignorant comments, although i will admit they do get some corkers.
      My mum had another baby when i was 15, and people who hadn’t seen us for a while, and even some strangers, were asking if it was mine and she was covering for me. People also asked her if it was wise, or fair to the baby.
      Mum laughed at first, but i think it’s really judgemental and rude to comment on someone else’s pregnancy or baby unless it’s in a positive way.

    • XC says:

      02:34pm | 22/01/10

      First of all; Congratulations! I hope everything goes smoothly for you.

      Second; I’m one of those people that get the ‘when are you due’ question and I’m not pregnant. Didn’t help that it was being asked by a woman who was a size 8.
      I’m also one of those people who don’t want kids and suddenly get all these looks like I’ve just said that I like to slow roast one over an open fire.
      Having said that, I think it’s also jealousy when I show them the pictures of the great holiday I went on.

      My friend was recently pregnant and she had complete strangers on the street just walk up and rub her tummy - what’s with that? She’s not a Budda statue!

    • Alicia says:

      04:21pm | 23/01/10

      I haven’t had kids yet but look forward to doing it (definitely after some travel first) and if a stranger came and rubbed my belly I think I’d have to slap them. That is entirely inappropriate!

    • Bitten says:

      02:47pm | 22/01/10

      Come on - this sort of invasive rudeness is endemic in society, it’s not just limited to women in pregnancy.

      The world is full of people asking stupid questions and making stupid comments that are inane, pointless and on issues that are absolutely none of their business. It’s just that most people are idiots and they feel uncomfortable with silence. They have to say crap to fill the silence and the best they can come up with is inane babble that would count as conversation for a 6 year old.  It’s not just about being pregnant - ask the people who are in a relationship and haven’t gotten married! Or the people who have had one child and have the morons asking “So, when’s the next one?” Or the people who don’t want to have children “Oh, you will want them, you’d be a wonderful mother/father.”

    • Malibu says:

      03:10pm | 22/01/10

      #1 Has your belly-button popped yet? #2 Ive got a great salve for cracked and infected nipples! #3Watch out for varicose veins.

    • Jones says:

      12:40pm | 23/01/10

      Ït gets worse. Here are some beautiful comments/questions I got after my son was born…
      “Did you have the epidural? Really? Do you know it means you’ll have trouble bonding?”
      “How are your stitches?”
      “How are your boobs?”
      ARRRGH!! You can’t drink THAT while you’re breastfeeding!!

      Enjoy yourself. Enjoy your wine, your coffee, your high heeled shoes. I did, and my son is completely perfect and bright as a button. People comment out of their own insecurity, and they’re probably insanely jealous that you seem to be the kind of pregnant woman who actually gets on with life and is enjoying herself (shock, horror).

    • Sue says:

      01:24pm | 23/01/10

      I would add some things not to say when someone has recently had a baby:
      1. It doesn’t LOOK like [the mother’s partner]
      2. Are you having any MORE?  (which goes along with a tone that says, lord knows you breed like rabbits)  Our answer to that one, even after some permanent measures had been taken was, “well there’s still one more seat in the van, so you never know”.

    • Simone says:

      07:49pm | 23/01/10

      Seriously, Relax. So what, people are excited for you and that makes them ask lots of questions and make comments they may not usually make. Surly you can subdue your pregnancy hormones breifly enough to remember how exciting it is when you find out someone is having a baby, expcially twins!

      And the comments about getting big is not aimed as an insult, it is a term of endearment. As a mother of two children who were both ten pounders, I regularily heard how large I was getting. It did not bother me at all, mainly because it was true! I was not going to get oversensitive over something that was a natural part of pregnancy, and the truth!

      Take offense at people just being excited, nice, and perhaps even pointing out the obvious if thats what you want. But I found my pregnancies much more pleasant when I took peoples excitment as a token of affection and excitement, rather than getting unnecessarily offended.

    • DeNa says:

      11:16am | 24/01/10

      I had twins about 5 years ago and had many, many similar experiences. My favourite anecdote though concerns a rather elderly lady (a total stranger in a coffee shop) who, while waiting at the counter, eyed me up and down and said in a deeply patronising tone: “I do hope you are having that baby soon”. Her face expressed many things, not least of which was oh-my-god how LARGE are you, what on earth are you doing still waddling around IN PUBLIC!!  Now a bit of background - I was 35 weeks pregnant, with twins (so, pretty large by then), and was booked in for an urgent caasarian THAT AFTERNOON. So I was quite happy to say cheerily ‘Yes, actually, today. And it’s twins by the way.” Was her face red! One thing I learned was there was usually no point being offended by peoples’ interest - it is usually well-intentioned, and if it isn’t, then just ignore it, and focus on the important stuff (you know, the actual parenting that is to come).

    • Louise says:

      08:11am | 25/01/10

      You dopey buggers, the advertisments on TV going on about ‘no safe level of alcohol’ was put up by the Salvo’s who are reknown teetotallers.  Bit stupid to think their message is the absolute truth!
      Moreover alcohol causes a particular syndrome, of which to date no baby who got it had a mother who just had a few drinks during her pregnancy.  Just shows you all what a bunch of sheep you are.  I had a couple of drinks during pregnancy, my children have IQ’s allowing them to join mensa and they are fit and healthy.

    • Annabella says:

      03:25pm | 30/04/10

      Having been pregnant with twins some 20 years ago, I still remember how uncomfortable it was. But I did get a couple of laughs the first hundred time people asked was I going to call them Pete and Repeat or Kate and Duplicate!!
      Being preg with multipals isn’t fun, but having two babies at the same time makes up for it a million times over.

 

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