Back in that happy 17-day period last year when Australia was chugging along nicely without a government, we ran a piece on The Punch speculating that whichever party ended up winning the federal election would probably lose the next one.

Yes, umm, I think we can. Photo: Getty Images

The thinking went that the victorious party and prime minister would end up so co-opted and compromised by the various deals required to form government that they would not look like much of a government at all, with their authority diminished as they pandered to disparate MPs within their fragile alliance.

Part of the problem comes from the timidity of modern politics. The saying goes that politics was the art of the possible. These days it often looks like the art of the impossible.

With the well-documented rise of focus groups and the testing of slogans, messages and policies by internal pollsters and other readers of the tea leaves, instinct counts for less than it did in politics. Keating was right when he said that, these days, politicians won’t get out of bed in the morning unless they’ve got focus group research telling them to do so.

So much of politics is now driven by the desire to rule out negatives rather than expound positives. The media has contributed to that - “Prime Minister, can you rule out X?”  - as has the enthusiasm in modern politics for negative campaigning in which parties spend more time bagging their opponents than spelling out their own vision.

Think back to the election campaign and both Julia Gillard and Tony Abbott spent much of their time on the run from their former selves. On the day the election was called, Tony Abbott was signing a gimmicky pledge saying that WorkChoices was “dead, buried, cremated” and that an Abbott Coalition Government would not be moving to free up our industrial laws. Who knows what would have happened had Abbott formed a minority government, and changed economic circumstances or pressure from a well-organised business-led campaign meant that he had to revisit the issue and find some wiggle room to adjust the existing laws.

Gillard’s now-infamous pledge that a carbon tax would not be introduced under a Gillard Labor Government was a similar example of a political leader trying to neutralise an issue which had cost her party support. After the debacle of the Emissions Trading Scheme, which Kevin Rudd shelved after initially declaring it a vital response to the greatest moral challenge of our time, Julia Gillard wanted to distance herself from the issue during last year’s campaign. In doing so she crafted a form of words which may haunt her to her political grave.

Writing yesterday on news.com.au under the pithy headline Gillard’s Three Strikes, national political editor Malcolm Farr presented a bleak assessment of the PM’s current problems, as underscored by this week’s shocking Newspoll.

The three problem areas Farr identified were the internal disquiet of MPs over her gung-ho advocacy of a carbon price (or more accurately, a carbon tax) without any detailed policy back-up, the political power and policy influence of the Greens which threatens Labor MPs in inner-city seats, and the tolerance of Green MPs whose public comments have embarrassed the Government.

Each of these issues has fed into the collapse in Labor’s primary vote and Gillard’s approval rating as Prime Minister. The turnaround in both categories has been staggering, and without precedent. Until this week the lowest primary vote the party had registered was 31 per cent under Paul Keating ahead of his 1996 thumping; Julia Gillard has gone one point lower than that.

The shorthand version of why this has happened is that the Greens now look like they’re calling the shots. Not only are they influencing policy, they’re being cocky about it, as evidenced by Christine Milne’s totally cavalier and indifferent blatherings about how petrol should be included in a carbon tax.

Her comments have been seriously damaging for the ALP. This is the party which is meant to represent normal low-wage families in the burbs who have a couple of cars and a couple of kids and spend their lives running between work and the supermarket and weekend school footy. Right now it looks like they’re dancing to the tune of a handful of inner-city trendies who ride bikes with wicker baskets on the front and only ever shop organically at the local farmers market.

What Gillard needs now more than anything is to tell the Greens to back off, that there will be no more joint press conferences in the prime ministerial courtyard, that the next time one of them shoots their mouth off they will be repudiated with genuine vigour.

Newspoll showed that voters with a tendency towards the Greens are more emboldened than ever before. This is because the party can now demonstrate that it’s actually influencing policy. Its primary vote stands at a very solid 15 per cent.

What this also means is that 85 per cent of Australians would not vote for them. There’s a strong view within Labor that the party is focussed far too heavily on the 15 per cent than the 85 per cent.

The best thing Gillard could do right now is to start a policy fight with the Greens – go and visit Olympic Dam perhaps and come out behind BHP’s push to expand its uranium exports – just to remind them and the voters that she’s the Prime Minister and is running the show. It’s not like Bob Brown is going to pack his bags and go and sit with Tony Abbott. On the current polling the alliance between Gillard and Brown is paving the way for an Abbott Government anyway.

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    • Nora R Ferguson says:

      05:10am | 11/03/11

      There is nothing wrong with the Greens. They are the only party that is progressive to fix this country. Fortunately we have 4 months to go before we get real power.  After we win government in NSW, and in 4 months we will be able to finally implement our policies.

    • Scarneck says:

      05:41am | 11/03/11

      Game over Nora….you’re a troll and it is now obvious. I’m guessing you are a member of the LNP.

    • Joan says:

      06:35am | 11/03/11

      Bob Brown on track to get Australia in a fix…. one real big fix. One big Tax on everything, manufacturing sent off shore ... asylum seekers on shore,,, euthanasia for all ,  gay marriage….. all before Christmas . Yep Bob Brown set to get Australia in a fix.

    • Ironside says:

      06:39am | 11/03/11

      Bwhahahah win government in NSW? are you kidding? you will win some seats to be sure, but i tell you what Nora on the day that the winner in the NSW election is sworn in as the premier, if its a green, I will come on here and publicly apologise to you for doubting that the almighty greens actually represent the people rather than just the elite socialist set. If however it is Barry O’Farrell who is sworn in as premier, will you come in here and apologise for your ignorance?

    • Matt C says:

      06:46am | 11/03/11

      re. “After we win government in NSW, and in 4 months we will be able to finally implement our policies. ” :

      1 - The Liberals will win NSW in an epic landslide.

      2 - The NSW Greens have very few actual policies. Plenty of idea’s, but policies? No. A reasonable scan through their list (http://nsw.greens.org.au/policies/nsw) shows it is full of language like “The Greens NSW will work towards”, “will aim to”, “believe that” etc etc etc, but it is incredibly short on actual commitments. Also I couldn’t find a dollar figure in any of their “policies”, even the biggies like health, education, and of course the Greens beloved climate change.

    • Jay says:

      07:05am | 11/03/11

      Progressive? Reduce carbon emissions by 25% by 2020. How?
      They never tell us how they will achieve this.Pie in the sky schemes that do not work and cost billions of dollars.Tax the hell out of people, let anyone into Australia who manages to get on a boat and reach our shores? I forget Gay marriage, such an important issue.When is Bob Brown going to get off his ass and visit OUR troops in Afghanistan? I forget he prefers to support terrorists like David Hicks. You need your head read comrade. I am just waiting for one of the Independents to push the chicken switch and withdraw their support from the Government. Then we will see how the Greens progress when we have another election. Remember the Democrats?

    • Joseph Logan says:

      07:37am | 11/03/11

      There is nothing wrong with the Green’s ideology except madness.
      Ideology is a beautiful thing,until it reaches reality.
      Surely,by now, even the Greenies can see the madness of the desalination plant cost ($24,000,000) ,just as an example.
      Australians, we can not afford to decimate families!
      Progressive? in what way, Nora?
      Which policies will you implement?  -Gay Marriage?

    • ZSRenn says:

      07:40am | 11/03/11

      @ Scarneck agreed and I think we all know what side of the coin I sit. Out of line and no further comment to this posters ramblings necessary. Damn pity it is the first post though. I may have to do a Julia Gillard on this one later.

    • JohnB says:

      08:04am | 11/03/11

      “progressive to fix this country” You mean dither with already over indulged issues while Australia and the rest of the world falls apart. There are NO sensible SOLUTIONS from the Greens, only talk and band-aids. If there was any integrity within the Greens they would be calling for population debate, not a useless carbon tax. Step back Nora and have a look at what’s really going on in the world. There’s more to our existence than gay rights, whales, recycling plastic bags and a carbon tax. A government’s job is to manage the country for the good of us all and NOT get bogged down with ridiculous side shows as the Greens and Labor are continually doing.

      I’m confident Nora R Ferguson’s post is a rev up.

    • simon says:

      08:28am | 11/03/11

      Nora don’t you mean ruin, not fix. You are extremely deluded if you think the Greens will win the NSW election. My god, never seen such stupid and deluded comments as yours. You’re not Bob Brown are you??

    • Robert says:

      09:16am | 11/03/11

      “Go and pick a fight with the Greens” ... what, like approving the Gunns paper mill and refusing heritage listing for the Tarkine wilderness? Looks like you just got your wish David, the Labor Party just punched the Greens in the face, and hard.

    • Aasq says:

      09:28am | 11/03/11

      Yep, Scarneck. Obvious troll is obvious. Try again Young Libs.

    • ZSRenn says:

      09:35am | 11/03/11

      @ The Pinch readers Sorry for doing the Julia Gillard thing but it was only a statement of intent and not my actual policy.

      @ Robert In negotiation concessions go both ways and these are green concessions to Labor rather than Labor standing up to them.

      The Greens are just making sure their support base in Tasmania is safe by playing the poor me card.

    • Tim says:

      10:47am | 11/03/11

      Scarneck,
      The funny thing is it’s almost impossible to tell the difference between a troll and a real Greens supporter sometimes. They both dribble nonsense.

    • john says:

      10:57am | 11/03/11

      @Nora, the greens have been disappointing, they have been voted in to do what? This is what they have done so far:

      - Let the guns project be approved in Tassy.
      - Done nothing to in regards to the Murray basin and nothing in regards to water licences.
      - Done nothing in regards to fracking for gas in Australia that poisons ground water.
      - Done nothing in regards to raw sewage continuing to be dumped off Sydney coastlines.
      - Done nothing about ferral animals like camels,rabbits,dogs,horses continuing to ruin the country’s ecosystems.
      - Done nothing in regards to promoting more re-growth forrests for timber resources.
      - Done nothing in regards to the point where a toxic site in Barangaroo waterfront development in CBD sydney is allowed to go ahead.

      One would have to begin to wonder what the hell the greens are good for? Even the Liberals are looking more green than the greens.

    • Faz says:

      12:17pm | 11/03/11

      Crikey Joan, your list is pretty dramatic. I’m suprised you’d think that evil BB would allow Christmas!

      Do you think we’ll be able to choose euthanasia before we’re forced to marry a gay asylum seeker?

    • Badger says:

      12:20pm | 11/03/11

      The only thing I see and hear from the Greens is the cry about the WILDERNESS !
      The Great Wilderness is that that is
      ” Between the Ears of Bob Brown & Milne “

      Full of all the rubbish they Carrie on about, with no substance attached to it.  God help us if they get much more control over the Government.

    • PaulB says:

      01:01pm | 11/03/11

      Thanks Scarneck.  Been trying to point this out as well.  Forums like this are to hired PR firms like honey to a bee.

    • Robert S McCormick says:

      02:13pm | 11/03/11

      Nora, the Greens are not a real political party with any real policies. So they have won the Balance of Power in the Senate & from there they will do what they have always tried to do. Who do they think they are?This tatty little party with only 16% of the National vote & if the ALP had not done their, now disastrous, Preference deal with the Greens they would have been reduced to what they have always been: A runt of a political party. Look what happend in Victoria! The majors refused to do a deal & the Greens are now nothing there.
      I said it before the “Endorse Me” August Federal Election put on by “Less popular that Kevin Rudd"Jooolya Gillard - she failed. That the Greens were a group of people who would stoop to anything, threats,& downright blackmail in the event they held the balance of power after last Augusts election. I have been proven right for it is they who are running the government not the ALP.
      You say, Nora, ardent Green supporter, “After we win the NSW Election” Really?, Nora where do you get the idea that the Greens, without the benefit of either ALP or Coalition Preferences, will even win one seat let alone enough to form yet another disastrous, corrupt NSW State Government? What pass for policies in the minds of Green MPs will, if we are ever so unlucky as to get them in goverment in their own right, will destroy the entire economy of Australia, it’s States & Territories.
      Who knows, Nora, though these ever-unsmiling amateurs may gain control of the Senate in just 4 months - July - we may well be going to the voting booths in mid to late June when there is every possibility that Gillard will be politically assassinated by her own party. Undestandable for lets face it ever since she usurped the Prime Ministership the polls have headed only one way: Downward. We may even get a Double Dissolution Election & if we do in all probability that will spell the end of the Greens as a political force in Australia for those DD Federal Elections always polarizes the voters between the two major parties & cost Independents & small single-to no-policy parties dearly.

    • James Hunter says:

      03:38pm | 11/03/11

      (deity of choice) Nora.
      Do you seriously believe in rule by the loudest minority group ?
      Are you by any chance a paid staffer from foney rabbits team ?

      Try sweet one to remember that democracy is supposed to be the will of the People or at least a Majority of them. That does not mean by a small group that made up the numbers.

    • DaS Energy says:

      04:41pm | 11/03/11

      Hello Nora, any time any place , stack of bibles or a polygraph lets face the Brown/Greens polices with some reality of fact!, no words just the written record.

      Brown and Gillard can dance sing and whistle, but nothing takes away the truth each has a copy of the New Technology Obahma, Gillard and Brown so welcome.
      The Carbon tax purpose is to reduce Carbon emissions.
      Half price electricity and no Carbon is a good starter.
      Good governance and due diligence require that to be at least cost and most benefit to the punter.

    • acotrel says:

      05:01pm | 11/03/11

      Even if it turns out Tony Abbott is ‘dead on the money’ with his figure on the price of carbon, he’s simply fluked it!  He’s made definite public statements about the costs to the taxpayer when no official information has been released.  He is clearly an unmitigated LIAR.  For him and others on this forum, to claim Julia Gillard tells lies, is a major travesty! !

    • Mp says:

      07:44pm | 11/03/11

      You are very sad Nora. Communist Rule, you are kidding me go to Russia or China to see what that will be like!!!!!!

    • Andrew says:

      09:47pm | 11/03/11

      Acotel. Abbott is using the lowest price that labor has talked about using, so it could actually be a lot more, how is this lying, how is it a fluke. Your right they havent set a price but they have talked about a 5% cut and if they go with that then the figures abbott is using are correct, if they go with a higher percentage then the cost will be more. They wont go any less then 5% or it would be useless even introducing it. So base on that the figures abbott is using is the bare minimum, we will be in all likeihood paying more.

    • jf says:

      10:00am | 13/03/11

      Nora, you’re so sweet.

      I remember being 15 and delivering empassioned environmental and anti-war talks in English class. I was to busy quoting of Bob Dylan, Peter Garret and Bono that I didn’t stop to thing for a moment to think what the hell does a rock star know about politics, economics or fairness or ponder the contradiction of someone wealthy beyond imagining telling me to give more money to the poor.

      It is a right of youth to confuse equal with fair and ideology with pragmatism, to think that money is finite and that everything is oh so easy.

      Maintain the rage Nora and don’t be sad when age brings with it an understanding of practical, implementable policy and that fair does not mean equal.

    • Nyani says:

      12:17pm | 13/03/11

      Snora! beg to differ, green algae has a herbicide easy to apply!
      Queer marriages that at best will only produce a semen coated turd, I dont think will gain much favour.
      The expense involved in your more rational policies are beyond our financial means. Very deeply in the red at last count & still spending like drunken matelots!

    • mickijo says:

      02:09pm | 13/03/11

      the only thing worse than Bob Brown and Christine Milne is Sarah Henson Young. The faster they all get subsumed the better. What a bunch of losers

    • Squeeze the Middle says:

      07:09pm | 13/03/11

      Nora.  Greens were progressive.  Not anymore. Compensation for struggle town?  Fail. You’ve fallen into the same quick sand as the Democrats did over the GST.  Good bye.  Labor wants their voters back. Shame really, I had great hope you’d shake Australia out of the mediocrity tree.  But you’ve taken the path of least resistance.

    • Erick says:

      05:10am | 11/03/11

      Your comment:All the kerfuffle about Gillard’s carbon tax lies has obscured yet another issue. She also promised to toughen the government’s stance on boat people, and reintroduce offshore processing. There is no sign of any serious attempt to address this issue, even though it was one of the critical promises that allowed Gillard’s government to survive.

      This too will come back to haunt whoever leads the ALP to the next election.

    • Joan says:

      06:22am | 11/03/11

      The East Timor Solution has become the Darwin Solution….. that`s why there is no loud proclamation

    • dovif says:

      06:58am | 11/03/11

      Wow, do you actually believe in promises made by the ALP?

      If the ALP keep all their promises, we would have 5 NW rail link and a light rail that goes to the area and there will be no need for cars in NSW, or a carbon tax.

      If you believe the ALP, when they promise anything, that is your stupidity

    • Adam Diver says:

      07:30am | 11/03/11

      They have come up with a new solution. After the success of the smoking tax (less smokers), carbon tax (less carbon), mining tax (less mining, thats how it works right?), flood tax (less floods) they have decided to implement a boat people tax.

      All worldly possessions will be taxed from boat people, and all government expenditure on safety, housing, food, medical and legal cost will be removed. Thats how this whole tax thing works I am pretty sure.

    • n_dude says:

      12:27pm | 11/03/11

      @Adam Diver
      Wasn’t that Howard’s policy to recoup the costs of detention?

    • James Hunter says:

      03:58pm | 11/03/11

      @dovif,
      Do you seriously believe a minority government led by foney rabbit would have been any more able to stand by whatever core principles he may wish to embrace ?
      Come on…..bhahahaha

    • Bob says:

      05:09pm | 11/03/11

      James Hunter: If I think it’s Oakeshott (One of the independents, anyway) is to be believed, then by now the Libs would have held another election and at least control the house of Reps outright. (Obviously the senate wouldn’t have happened, but I wouldn’t be surprised if this is the last time Labor does a Greens preference deal. After the damage the Greens have done them, I wouldn’t be surprised if Labor was happy to destroy them as a poltiical force)

    • Aasq says:

      07:51pm | 11/03/11

      Don’t worry about the Greens, Bob. Coalition preferences will save them, as they did for Adam Brandt.

    • jb says:

      05:27am | 11/03/11

      the smart thing for Christine Milne her greens and the Independants would be to throw anything into the mix they want, Gillard can’t slam them back as she has with Rudd in the past few days or she will lose the support of those voters who vote green for labor.
      It’s a horrible mess our country is in and Gillard the mugger is a sorry sight as she courts the lame duck president in the US.
      Peas in a pod…

    • ZSRenn says:

      01:03pm | 11/03/11

      @ Aasq What a load of tripe that link is

      First Paragraph “Despite Record flooding Australia’s economy surged ahead in 2010”

      The flooding was in January and February 2011 with that little bit of crap as an opening statement. I didn’t bother reading anymore.

      That was after I got past the pop up to get to the page which annoys me anyway


      I suggest you stick to AU news publishers who have a clue as to what is going on in Australia.

    • Aasq says:

      02:04pm | 11/03/11

      What a load of tripe your reply is, ZSRenn.

      I’m not sure you even read the first paragraph, as the quote you cited doesn’t appear anywhere there, (nor anywhere else in the article for that matter, but then you wouldn’t know that as apparently you didn’t read it).

      Here’s another one for you not to read, although perhaps all you need to know is that it’s from December 2010.

      On a more positive note, I’m pleased that you were annoyed.

    • ZSRenn says:

      03:36pm | 11/03/11

      @ Aasq I will try and make this as simple as possible for you

      The article talks about the 2011 floods not affecting our figures for 2010. Of course they didn’t the floods did not happen until 2011.

      It then goes on to give projected positive figures for 2011 which was affected by the floods.

      Therefore the projected figures it gives are fundamentally wrong because they do not take into account the devastation that ripped into industry, families, mining etc in 2011.

      Any further links you provide from 2010 regarding economics also do not take into account this devastation and all figures projected have gone out the door unless the authors name is Alison DuBois.

      Oh come on you must actually live in England. The 2nd link you provide which for a start was dated 29/12/2010 or 2 days before the end of the year talks about 1000 people being evacuated in North Queensland.

      I guess if you want to talk about semantics you have me on a technacility. But in January and February many lost their lives 10’s of thousands of people were evacuated and 1000’s lost their homes. Mines were flooded and still have not recovered. Brisbane CBD was flooded.

      You want to make light of that situation we have been through then I will leave you to the wolves. Pommy twit!

    • Aasq says:

      04:24pm | 11/03/11

      Thanks, ZSRenn. Next time you’ll check those technacilities (sic) before you go making up quotes.

    • Against the Man says:

      05:30am | 11/03/11

      Does anyone really think that Gillard has the integrity to do what is right for this country? The Greens are going to have their way with her, Bob Brown is the real PM and everyone knows that. Game over for Gillard. Game over for Australia.

    • Joan says:

      06:21am | 11/03/11

      Integrity- the adherence to moral and ethical principles; soundness of moral character; honesty.?  Gillard ?  No sireee!

    • John A Neve says:

      07:10am | 11/03/11

      A the M,

      You are like an old record, same old drivel, come on, try hard, give us of your “wisdom”.
      Have you ever had an original thought?

      Believe me we don’t all believe Bob Brown is the “real PM’ only those that are brianwashed do.

    • iansand says:

      07:20am | 11/03/11

      Are you so naive to believe that there is any politician, from any party, with integrity?  If you believe that you would believe Tony Abbott.

      Oh…

    • Christian Real says:

      08:01am | 11/03/11

      Against the Man
      You are only echoing what has been said by Tony Abbott and some of the Liberal shockjocks on Sydney radio stations..
      Bob Brown is not the Prime Minister, and he never will be,  the same as Tony abbott will never attain that high position either.

    • Brian says:

      08:30am | 11/03/11

      @John - I only wash myself…

    • Flexo says:

      08:44am | 11/03/11

      Interesting how none of the replies actually deny anything ATM has said. In other words even ALP supporters have come to terms with the fact Gillard has no integrity and Bob Brown is the boss of her.

    • John A Neve says:

      09:40am | 11/03/11

      Brian,
      It’s good to see you can spell and that you only have a dirty brain.

    • Aasq says:

      09:44am | 11/03/11

      Wrong, Flexo. Here you go.

      Yes. No, they don’t. No, it’s not.

      Anything else, maybe a sock ?

    • Roja says:

      10:51am | 11/03/11

      @Flexo - your observations are as deluded as ATM’s sentiment.  Thank you for verifying that liberal party cheerleaders are not taught to read.  That explains a lot.

    • Brian says:

      01:15pm | 11/03/11

      @John

      Dont be like that.
      Just having some fun.
      But its ok. I understand. You are obviously under a lot of pressure.

    • John A Neve says:

      01:54pm | 11/03/11

      Brian,
      For what it is worth, I think this country is in deep shit, sadly it seems I am one out!
      There are blogs and blogs, this is basically a political blog and deserves some rational comment and ideas.
      No, I am not under any pressure, but on reading some of the crap posted here, I feel for the next generation.

    • dovif says:

      02:51pm | 11/03/11

      John A Neve

      Well, Juliar did say that no government that I led will introduce a carbon tax. Since she has admitted to a carbon tax, she must not be leading the government, and if you look to her left, there is Bob Brown

      And the next day Milne claim the tax as policy of the Greens and so far no one from the ALP had said otherwise

    • John A Neve says:

      03:16pm | 11/03/11

      Dovif,
      To the best of my knowledge there is a proposed “Carbon Tax”. Yes, it could well be a Green’s idea, so what?
      No one party has the numbers in either house, for this proposal to get up it will need the support of the parliament.

      So tell us Dovif, just what is your point?

    • Super D says:

      05:59am | 11/03/11

      Your suggestion that Gillard comes out strong in support of uranium exports is a good one in terms of differentiating Labor from the Greens but this is the only positive for labor.  Unfortunately it would also highlight the following foolish policy positions:
      1. Refusal to consider Nuclear Power - the worlds only reliable carbon free baseload energy
      2. Labors refusal to sell uranium to India - sticking up for a flawed UN treaty in defiance of common sense

      If she could get the ALP conference backing for Nuclear Power then that would be an achievement.  They seem more interested in gay marriage though.

    • Ollie says:

      06:10am | 11/03/11

      GIllard should tell the Greens to shove it.  What’s she got to lose?  If she loses, so do the Greens.

    • Reg says:

      07:26am | 11/03/11

      Agree. Treat the Greens like the bitches they are…

      What are they going to do? Back the LNP? Don’t think so. Push comes to shove the Greens are, and always have been, weak.

      Gillard needs to stop pandering to them and show some real leadership if she wants any shot at a 2nd term.

    • JohnB says:

      08:20am | 11/03/11

      Aha. There you have it! She has far more to lose. There’s something about being PM for a certain time to REAP ALL THE BENEFITS. This time expires, I believe in June.

      That’s what this games about. What’s in it for them! We are deluded in thinking someone with NO INTEGRITY has any of our interests at heart.

    • simon says:

      08:49am | 11/03/11

      Yes I agree Ollie, Gillard should tell the Greens to shove it, Labor has little to lose and the Greens have much to lose!!

    • Ben81 says:

      10:48am | 11/03/11

      If only things were that simple, Ollie.

    • Ironside says:

      06:43am | 11/03/11

      The greens are eating the Labor left, there is a very easy solution to this, and it is the same solution that was used when One Nation was eating the Coalition Right. Simply put Labor and the Coalition agree to put the greens last on their preferences. What has labor got to lose, no green voter is going to preference the coalition anyway and it was only liberal preference that got the greens over the line and into the lower house. Between them they saw that the policies of One Nation were dangerous and wrong, not to mention bad for the nation. Funnily enough the policies of the greens are just as bad, if for different reasons and will do just as much damage.

    • The Redman says:

      08:32am | 11/03/11

      How would you know who a Greens voter would preference or not, as clearly you are not a Greens voter. You’re merely making an assumption based on your own prejudices against the Greens. A Party announcing who they preference is meaningless in any case. I preferance whom I wish, irrespective of who my Primary vote SUGGESTS I preferance. Because a Party-announced preference is just that: a suggestion. It makes no difference to my vote at all. I am not some drone that votes one way or another merely because someone tells me to.

      The Coalition’s decision to list One Nation last, I suggest, had no impact on whether those who gave The Coalition their Primary vote preferanced One Nation. I suggest that those who did were always going to irrespective of what the Coalition said and vica versa.

      What the article underlines, however unintentionally, is the fact that the ALP is leaking votes to the left, not to the right. At the last election, the Greens increased their vote by 4%, while the ALP suffered a swing of 5.4%. The Coalition gained just 1.5%, with the Liberal Party on it’s own gaining less that one percent. The ALP should concentrate on regaining the votes from the left, at least in the House of Reps. There is no point in pandering to the centre right in the electorate. Their opinions on the ALP are so poisoned by the shrieking of the far right (which, like drones, they repeat ad nauseum) that they will never concede that any ALP policy is just and right, let alone vote for them.

      The ALP’s greatest mistake has been to move to the right on social issues and away from the traditional social justice that was characteristic of the modern Labor Party. Even while Keating was pursuing market driven capitalism economically, he remained a true socialist regarding social issues. I admit to being somewhat disallusioned regarding what I believe to be a fundamental shift on issues such as Australia’s participation in foreign conflicts, asylum seekers, private school funding, health reform, Republicanism, reconciliation and climate change, among others.

      The ALP would do far better to alter its’ policies to regain the support of the left wing that has changed their votes to the Party that reflects their views (one and a half million votes for the Greens last election), than to attempt to pander the prejedices and ignorance of the centre right for votes the ALP cannot possible gain. Add, say, half the Greens vote to the ALP, and the Coalition would be in the same position today as it was after 2007. It was the loss of votes to the left that hit the ALP the hardest, not those lost to the conservatives.

    • Markus says:

      09:40am | 11/03/11

      Wishful thinking Redman.
      The Greens only got such a huge swing in the last election for the same reason they got a swing in most of the last state elections.
      I assure you it had nothing to do with belief in their policies, and was entirely based on sending a message to the incumbent government at the time.

      After seeing the fallout of such a stupid ploy - Carbon Tax, Death Tax, obsessive focus on gay marriage over important health and education reforms, not to mention the crap at state levels (building a $10m arboretum in Canberra between two existing national forests)  - I don’t see anyone being dumb enough to make that mistake again.

    • Kevin says:

      11:48am | 11/03/11

      One Nation was put out of business when Howard adopted most of its policies.

    • Ben81 says:

      12:28pm | 11/03/11

      Kevin - which One Nation policies in particular are you referring to?
      i see lots of people parroting that lately and nobody backing it up with any kind of substance.

      http://www.onenation.com.au/phsuth02.htm
      According to the party themselves it seems that Labor is the only party actually doing that, the list seems pretty light on actual policy to me until after 2007.  There’s a 2003 quote from Fraser trying to make some kind of empty point, but what’s new.

    • ZSRenn says:

      04:07pm | 11/03/11

      @ Redman Another long winded blog to diguise the fact that you do not have a clue.

      I guess we can do away with those pesky “How to vote” flyers at polling booths then if like you Australians do not take notice of the recommendations they provide. Money save in elections.

      I think you were saying that the ALP needs to be concentrating more on getting back votes from the left to win an election. i.e.greens and I thought that is what Ironside said.

      Then I thought you said it was a mistake for them to have moved to the right which is exactly why Kevin won in 2007.

      Now they have moved back to the left by getting into bed with the greens and the polls are dropping faster than 747 after a flame out.

    • asproella says:

      06:58am | 11/03/11

      I thought i had heard it before ...and i have,Julia Gillards MOON speech to Congress,BONO HAD THE SPEECH AT A CONCERT ON TV ,did he write the moon speech for the prime minister OR DID SHE PLAGARISE IT .???

    • MarK says:

      07:09am | 11/03/11

      She was just channelling Bono.

      is that the correct expression these days when you blatantly rip off others words and thoughts?

    • Scarneck says:

      10:46am | 11/03/11

      Not true asproella, I’ve said similar things myself about the Yanks and the Moon, yet I’d never previously heard Bono’s rant, over the years I’ve heard similar tales, well before U2’s time. To mention the Moon is not plagiarising!

    • Roja says:

      11:02am | 11/03/11

      Wow, so Bono was the only child in the world to be affected by the amazing technological feat of landing on the moon? Good for him.

      So did Julia steal her entire 20 minute speech from Bono?  Oh and as for “I thought I heard it before”, I’m sure you did as that sounds much more believable than you simply regurgitatating one of the many semi-newsworthy articles spruiking the same tenuous claim. 

      Nice one, have a go at someone plagiarising someone’s work by plagiarising someone’s work.  You are awesome.

    • Bono says:

      01:33pm | 11/03/11

      Actually what I said was.
      “When I was a boy, my first impression of America was a man walking on the moon. I thought these Americans are mad but I thought what this country can do if they put their mind to it. It’s incredible. John F. Kennedy was the one who said in 1963:
      ‘By the end of the decade we’re going to put a man on the moon.’
      It’s what we’re asking now, from President Bush, Prime Minister Blair and the other entire world leaders to do. What we’re asking them to do is something extraordinary. Not to put a man on the moon, more like put mankind back on Earth. We have the technology, we have the resources, and we have the know-how to end the extreme poverty. If we have the will and I believe we have the will. We had the Civil Rights Movement, others ended Apartheid, and others tore back the iron-card. That’s what’s up to us, our moon-shot, our putting the man on the moon; we’re going to end extreme poverty. We’re going to make poverty history. That’s what’s up to us to do. I believe that’s not an impossible adventure. I believe in fifty years they’ll look back on this moment and they’ll say:
      ‘There were some people at a time who said: Its not ok for a child dying in the 21st century for the lack of a 20-cent immunization, its not ok for a child dying for the lack of food in its belly in the 21st century, its not ok anymore”
      ......We’re not looking for your money, we’re looking for your voice.”
      -Bono, Vertigo Tour, Live at Chicago.

    • vanda says:

      06:59am | 11/03/11

      We manufacture,
      We employ 10,
      We pay tax,
      We struggle to compete already with China,
      Why penalise us and our employees, so China can benefit?
      WHY ALL THE PAIN FOR ABSOLUTELY NO GAIN?
      JUST REMEMBER….. WE VOTE,
      AND WE DIDNT VOTE FOR THE GREENS,
      Juliar, refuse to listen to middle Australia at your peril

    • John A Neve says:

      07:31am | 11/03/11

      Vanda,
      We all vote and some people did vote Green as is their right. Do you begrudge them that right?
      The two party system is anti democratic and only serves one eyed people.
      Please tell just what is “middle Australia”?

    • simon says:

      08:52am | 11/03/11

      Vanda, i am sure most Aussies agree with you, except of course those deluded few who vote Greens.

    • The Redman says:

      11:48am | 11/03/11

      Unless your company, Vanda, is among the top 1000 polluters in the country, then you will feel no pain from a price on carbon. China only benefits when businesses move their manufacturing process offshore due to cheaper wages and greater and greater profits, i.e personal greed. Yours is a small business and will not attract any carbon tax.

      People who are using the position that there is no point in introducing a price on carbon or an ETS scheme if countries like China will not, thereby gaining some sort of economic advantage, consider this quote from an article in The China Daily last year:

      “We expect China will start to levy various taxes only if they are helpful in mitigating greenhouse emissions and developing a low-carbon economy. I think a carbon tax is likely to be levied during the 12th Five-year (2011-2015) period.”

      Jiang Kejun, Senior Researcher, Energy Research Institute, National Development and Reform Commission (this is a body of the Chinese Government itself).

      It is either a deliberate misinformation or uninformed opinion to state that other major countries in the region are not just considering a price or tax on carbon. Countries like China are not only considering it, but will without doubt be introducing such a policy at around about the same time as the ALP is introducing it.

    • vanda says:

      02:09pm | 11/03/11

      The Redman,
      Granted I am a small manufacturer!  I agree.
      Please explain that if all major manufacturers move off shore, who will
      us small businesses manufacture for?.....Will there be anyone out there left to do work for?  Our industry has shrunk massively over the last 10 years because of China.  This will be the final nail in the coffin.
      Will the steel and products I need for my business stay the same price,
      I think not.

    • james milton says:

      02:12pm | 11/03/11

      @Redman:

      you obviously have no idea how things in China work. If they do introduce a carbon tax the money will go straight back to the company paying it in one way or another. That way China can say they are doing their part, without actually doing anything of value. And the helplessly gullible such as yourself will fall for it.

    • ZSRenn says:

      03:10pm | 11/03/11

      @ Redman What a lot of rubbish from another ALP rusted on amateur blogger who thinks if he writes long winded blogs people will think he knows what he is talking about.

      The thing is I read the whole thing and realize you haven’t got a clue!

      Only the top 1000 polluters will be charged? Huh! We are talking about increases in fuel costs, food costs, transport costs, power costs here etc. I have never heard this figure of only the top 1000 being charged and if that were the case wouldn’t Julia be screaming it from the roof tops. That figure would end the debate. 

      China only benefits due to cheaper wages of course it does! That’s half the problem an this tax will increase our manufacturing costs making Chinese products even more competitive and if Vanda is in an industry that competes with them it could be game over for him.

      Then you quote from The China Daily. There is a saying in China.

      “You know you have been in China too long when you start believing The China Daily is a source of hard hitting news review.” Not to mention the word “ONLY” stands out very bright in the quote you gave.

      You have been reading perse too long.

    • CJ Morgan says:

      07:08am | 11/03/11

      Ho hum.  Another day, another attack on the Greens at The Punch.

      Anybody’d think News Ltd is scared of something.  Personally, I’m more scared about doing nothing about environmental rape and pillage, including AGW.

    • ZSRenn says:

      07:49am | 11/03/11

      Oh come on CJ. I am over this.

      Somebody write an article on the greens- another attack on the greens
      Somebody writes an article on Labor- another attack on Labor
      Somebody writes an artic;e on LNP - another attack on the LNP

      It all makes about as much sense as saying that nobody is doing anything about the enviroment when this topic dominates the media everyday.

    • CJ Morgan says:

      09:46am | 11/03/11

      So, ZSRenn - you think that News doesn’t consistently bag the Greens, and indeed any political party to the left of the Libs?

      Maybe you should remove the eye patch.

    • Hamish says:

      12:01pm | 11/03/11

      The problem is CJ, it’s impossible to write an article about The Greens without it being critical unless you’re a deluded utopian socialist and there’s not many of them out there.

    • ZSRenn says:

      03:45pm | 11/03/11

      @ C J Morgan.  Just the other day Christine Milne wrote an article or did you find that biased against the Greens also. I guess you never read any of Mal Farrs writings. I think the Punch is very balanced to all sides of politics.

      If I thought I was having proaganda rammed down my throat by The Punch I would not be here!

      But you have to admit!

      The Greens do have a really cool habit of putting their neck out for the chop.

    • hot tub political machine says:

      04:10pm | 11/03/11

      I have to agree with CJ. Attacks on the Greens are like episodes of Two and Half men - they are on constant repeat and make for light entertainment sans the requirement to fire up your brain

    • Flexo says:

      07:10am | 11/03/11

      Gillard, oh my…......a very good actress, not so good politician. Anyway, the Greens are in control, we just have to suffer the consequences.

    • Retired Soldier says:

      07:18am | 11/03/11

      Gillard is a consummate performer and would do better acting in one of the many “soaps”. This crying thing must be a Labor strategy because they all appear to gain some mileage by using it to capture votes from the naive and gullible. As for the Greens, yes we certainly have a problem with them running Gillard and her cronies and we will seriously suffer from it. As for Bob Brown, just remember the bumper sticker people had on their vehicles during his first major campaign at the Franklin River; “If it’s Brown, flush it ” !

    • LAD says:

      07:23am | 11/03/11

      But Rob Oakeshott keeps screaming from the roof tops and from anywhere he can be heard that the minority Government is a good thing for Australia. The reality is it’s a good thing for him and his independent mates only. I hope Australia thinks twice before voting Independent or Green again. Revenge on Labor at the last election is becoming revenge on Australia.

    • Miki says:

      11:16am | 12/03/11

      Actually you’ve got that wrong LAD. Australian’s should think twice before voting for either of the major parties again. Labor is a party of run by an ugly small cartel of political thugs from the NSW right and the Liberals have become a sanctuary for the flat earth brigade and wannabe mad hatter tea partiests. Frankly anyone who votes for these two waste of space parties needs their heads read.

    • persephone says:

      07:39am | 11/03/11

      Yesterday, the Greens and Labor had a major falling out over two issues - the listing of the Tarkine as a heritage area and approval for the go ahead of the Gunns pulp mill.

      Given that two of the Greens senators - their leaders - come from Tasmania, these issues are definitely dear to their party.

      Yet not a mention of these in this article.

      I suppose it doesn’t fit into the meme of Labor buckling to Greens pressure.

    • TimB says:

      07:56am | 11/03/11

      So you admit that Gillard *doesn’t* have to give into Greens pressur in ordder to retain government.

      Which means that the decision to break her Carbon tax promise wasn’t one imposed by the makeup of parliament as you’ve been constantly claiming. It was Julias own decision to break that promise.

      Good to know.

    • Michael says:

      08:14am | 11/03/11

      That’s the way Pers you push to try and distance the Greens from Labor for them, that’s the latest approach to deal with yet ANOTHER mess the Gillard Government are in. As always expected from you, right on queue.
      Gillard will now no doubt pick a very public fight with the Greens to make it look like she’s not in bed with them. All so predictable. Meanwhile is there any real work being done by the Gillard Government or are they totally focused on tactics rather than Governing?

    • NicoleG says:

      08:39am | 11/03/11

      Gezz pers, Gillard and Labor can do no wrong in your eyes, can they? They could ruin this county and you’d still back them. Oh wait…........they’re in the process of doing just that…

    • Elphaba says:

      08:50am | 11/03/11

      NicoleG, I predict that after Labor gets their arse handed to them in the NSW State election, you won’t hear word from Pers for weeks.

      Same thing happened when Rudd got knifed.  A few more weeks and the spin machine will be quiet for a while… hehehe

    • Jim says:

      08:54am | 11/03/11

      She’s a paid spin doctor NicoleG…you don’t knife the boss in public view…oh, wait….

    • AdamC says:

      09:02am | 11/03/11

      Pers, so they have a spat about relatively trivial issues (which were widely reported in the national media) yet continue the love in on the biggies? Is that your point? There is also the rather important detail that neither the Tarkine, nor the Gunns pulp mill decisions are legislative, so agreement with the Greens is not necessary.

      The problem for Gillard is that we actually have a ‘watermelon coalition’ government at the moment. Not a Labor government, not a Greens government, but a government of compromise between the two. Jools, for some misguided reason, seems to want to deny this and pretend that everything that emanates from the government is 100% pure Labor. Why? Why doesn’t she just admit reality?

    • Hamish says:

      09:33am | 11/03/11

      Oh Perse, really…surely you can come up with something better than that? This is easily the least compelling excuse you’ve managed to dream up for JGill and I’m including the completely spurious comparison between her bald faced lie and Howard’s GST mandate. I wonder what The Greens care more about, a pulp mill which conforms to all required environmental regulations or a massive carbon tax? The fact that these are the only ‘disagreements’ you can come up with simply proves the point that Jools is dancing to The Greens’ tune.

    • persephone says:

      10:57am | 11/03/11

      TimB

      my ‘constant claim’? I don’t think I’ve claimed that once.

      What I have consistent;ly said is that I don’t care what type of carbon price we get, as long as we get one.

      And a Labor government was always going to have a government imposed climate price as part of its package (which isn’t the ‘carbon tax’ Gillard was talking about).

      Michael

      simply pointing out that it’s strange the article didn’t mention these differences.

      As for the issues themselves, it’s fairly clear that they stem from the difference between actually being the government and having to govern and just thinking you are and not having that responsibility.

      NicoleG

      don’t see how pointing out an omission by the author of this article is barracking for Labor, but you’re determined to read everything I write in that light.

      If you had a more open mind, you might actually read what I say.

      Elphaba

      absolutely my most fervent hope and belief that that happens.

      You won’t find a single post from me here ever defending the NSW government.

      AdamC

      although I disagree with them, these are biggies for the Greens.

      Remember, both their leaders are based in Tasmania. For a Tasmanian Green, the Tarkine is a sacred site and Gunns are evil incarnate.

      As for your last comment, I think that’s a perception thing; she was being lambasted here a week or so ago for making a major announcement flanked by the indies and the Greens, a fair indication she recognised their importance to the process.

    • Elphaba says:

      11:11am | 11/03/11

      @Persephone, I underestimated you.  Clearly you do see when the machine is horribly, horribly broken.  Excellent.

    • TimB says:

      11:31am | 11/03/11

      Bullshit Perse.

      How many times did you tell us that Julia was allowed to break her promise of “There will be no Carbon Tax under my government ” because it was a hung parliament and she had to “compromise” with the Greens?

      Just one such instance is here:

      http://www.thepunch.com.au/articles/gillard-from-policy-dud-to-economic-hero/#comment-359891

      “Deliberate lying’ suggests she knew that she would be facing a hung parliament and would thus not be able to deliver her promise about carbon tax. She didn’t, so it wasn’t a ‘deliberate’ lie”

      That means that you claimed the Greens forced he to break her promise in order to retain government.

      Now you’re claiming that she’s not beholden to the greens. Which means she broke her promise of her own free will.

      You CANNOT have it both ways.

    • persephone says:

      12:10pm | 11/03/11

      TimB

      so much for a ‘constant claim’, then.

      One reference.

      Which, I admit, implies what you said it did, but doesn’t state it.

      That isn’t a ‘constant claim’.

      It’s one.

      Even you can count that far.

      Coming to an agreement with the Greens and indies on how to do something she wanted to do and had promised to do (pricing carbon) is different to disagreeing with the Greens on a matter of governance which she does not need to take through Parliament.

    • TimB says:

      12:59pm | 11/03/11

      That was an *example* perse. You’ve said it multiple time’s, but I shouldn’t have to go and dig out every instance.

      You claimed you hadn’t said it even once. I proved you had. That’s enough.

      and “Coming to an agreement with the Greens and indies on how to do something she wanted to do and had promised to do…”? Really?

      She promised NOT to do it. That’s the bloody point.

      She lied, and she broke her promise. Either the Greens pushed her into breaking it like you previously claimed, or she did it deliberately to steal the election.

      You’ve already said she’s not beholden to the Greens so I guess that means you’re admitting that she deliberately lied. Thanks.

    • The Redman says:

      02:35pm | 11/03/11

      Perse is absolutely correct. Gillard could not have possibly known what the outcome of the election would be and therefore has not lied. Furthermore, Gillard would know that the vast majority of votes that left the ALP went to the Greens, not the Coalition, and the Greens have and have always had a carbon price policy. I objected strongly to the Greens by email after they participated in blocking the ETS proposed by Rudd, although I agreed with the Green’s desire for a bigger target regarding emissions.

      I objected because I viewed the Rudd plan as a start, not a finish, and once the scheme was in place, it could be modified and improved. I’ve a feeling that the Greens regret that stance, however they enjoyed the biggest swing towards it of any Party in the election, by a long way.

      Gillard has faced the reality that one of the reasons Labor voters went to the Greens was because of the Party distancing itself from action on climate change. She recognised that the Greens went to the electorate with a particular policy, and a significant portion of the electorate agreed with it, or at least agreed on some action if not the entire Greens policy.

      I completely reject that claim that the Greens forced this on the Government, the vote did. Voters clearly want action on climate change, and the Government has recognised that. Just because the shrieking and screaming from the right has so far drowned out the actual debate is of no matter. I’m sure the truth and reality of carbon pricing and the fact that dozens of countries across the world already have such a scheme, and the fact that by this time next year, China is likely to as well, will eventually filter through the lies, deciept and misinformation campaign launched by Abbott.

      I do, though, completely understand that TimB doesn’t understand what compromise and flexibility means in government. After all, it is clear a conservative government is completely incapable of considering the desires of anyone in the country unless they voted for them and them alone.

      And, of course, the elephant in the conservative room is the greatest political liar of our times. John “never, ever” Howard.

    • Hamish says:

      03:16pm | 11/03/11

      Redman, if voters wanted a carbon tax why did 85% of them vote for parties which had explicitly ruled one out?

    • TimB says:

      03:39pm | 11/03/11

      “Perse is absolutely correct. Gillard could not have possibly known what the outcome of the election would be and therefore has not lied.”

      Who cares if she didn’t know what the outcome would be? There were only two possibilities.

      A) She didn’t get in power. She can keep her promise by virtue of the fact that she couldn’t break it if she wanted to.

      B) She does get into power (and did).  She can keep her promise by simply…not legislationg a carbon tax. It’s very easy to not do something. Just. Don’t. Do it.

      She only broke her promise because either A) she wanted to, or B) the Greens made her do it as a condition of their support.

      So which is it? Did she lie or did she kowtow to the Greens? Make up your minds.

    • ZSRenn says:

      06:49pm | 11/03/11

      @ Redman ‘There will be no carbon tax while I lead the government!” Julia Gillard 5 days before an election.

      You say this is not a lie because she could not have known the outcome of the election.

      The Redman says:

      o   I objected strongly to the Greens by email………….
      o   I agreed with the Green’s desire………..
      o   I objected…………
      o   I viewed the Rudd………….
      o   I’ve a feeling that the Greens…………
      o   I completely reject that claim that the Greens…………
      o   I’m sure the truth and reality of carbon pricing…………
      o   I do, though, completely understand that TimB doesn’t


      In reading all of dreary posts I have come to the conclusion that you don’t get the concept of less is more, you are full of yourself and a Green supporter.
      So I conclude.

      With friends like Greens Julia needs no enemies

    • Steve Smith says:

      07:07am | 12/03/11

      Tim B
      Are you a Liberal clone of Tony Abbott, you keep echoing his diatribe along with your Liberal brainwashed mates in these blogs.
      “The Australian” ,  ” Julia Gillard’s carbon price promise”, written by Paul Kelly and dennis Shanahan on August 20, 2010 @ 12 AM
      “Julia Gillard says she is prepared to legislate a carbon price in the next term.”
      “It will be part of a series of reforms that include school funding,education and health.”
      “In an election-eve interview with The Australian. the Prime Minister revealed she would view victory tomorrow as a mandate for a carbon price, provided the community was ready for this step.”
      Perhaps Tim B, you may have to get somebody to read this story to you if you surf it on the net, because like other Liberal ‘clone’  bloggers you are blind to the real facts and stories.

    • Steve Smith says:

      07:32am | 12/03/11

      ZSRenn says:
      “Redman, ‘There will be no carbon tax while I lead the government!”, Julia Gillard 5 days before an election.”
      ZSRenn:
      “Julia Gillard says she is prepared to legislate a carbon price in the next term.”
      “It will be part of a series of reforms that include school funding,education and health.”
      “In an election-eve interview with The Australian, the Prime Minister revealed she would view victory tomorrow as a mandate for a carbon price,provided the community was ready for this step.’
      Source:
      The Australian”
      Story:
      “Julia Gillard’s carbon price promise”
      Written by:
      Paul Kelly and Dennis Shanahan
      On: 20 August, 2010
      At: 12AM
      * ZSRenn, Not five days before the election like you quoted from, but one day before the Federal election!

    • TimB says:

      08:34am | 12/03/11

      I’ve read that story Steve. How many peopel do you suppose saw that, written as it was in a single article in a single paper on the lastday of the campaign? It’s almost the political equivalent of fine print. Now compare that to how many people would have heard Gillard state repeatedly “No Carbon tax” throughout the election.

      An eleventh-hour whisper of true intentions does not absolve her of an entire campaign where she shouted a deliberate lie from the rooftops.

      Regardless of which you miss a critical part of the story. Do you see where she says she’ll do it if she has a mandate? The support of the Australian people?

      Guess what. She has a minority government that gave a mandate to no-one. She has the majority of Australians opposing her on this issue. So she has none of the conditions she set out. She’s *STILL* lying through her teeth.

      So despite her own words, she’s still going ahead with a plan tha most people did not vote for and most people do not want.

      Are you related to Persephone? Chistian Real? You all exhibit the same ability to ignore incovenient facts and spin the few you have. 

      Her “No Carbon Tax” lie was nothing more than a deliberate deception to placate the electorate and neutralise the Coalition’s (justified) campaign on the issue. She stole the election.

    • Noel says:

      08:10am | 11/03/11

      Who needs enemies when you have the Greens and Independants pulling your strings.  I agree.  But who needs enemies when you have party family like Krinstina Keneally.

      Krinstina played the underdog while talking to the construction workers this week as the losing party saying that under a liberal party the workers will lose jobs, their family would be worse off and childrens education would be in peril.

      This is the same person who while the power sell of invstigation was happening and GiLIARd said there would be no new deals brokered, rushed through the signing of power selloff contracts.

      The fairness for familly bill was obviouse crapola, so why am I seeing this public funded political add.  The aboriginal housing scheme? It was obviouse she knew nothing about it or Australian cultures.

      The prime minister is currently off in America receiving applause and false praise for total gibberish (word with no real meaning or action) while Queensland has limited assistance and is little better off then before.

    • ZSRenn says:

      08:14am | 11/03/11

      @ perse In negotiation concessions go both ways and these are green concessions to Labor rather than Labor standing up to them.

      The Greens and Labor are in bed on a billion dollar issue and you bring up a point on two 50c matters.

      Tarkine heritage area looks like a common labor mistake of not getting in the paper work on time.

      Gunns got the approval because they have shown great environmental maturity in their negotiations regarding the mill by asking for stricter environmental rules than are required.

      The Greens are just making sure their support base in Tasmania is safe by playing the poor me card.

    • Elphaba says:

      08:15am | 11/03/11

      They’re dead in the water.  Whilstever they continue to buckle to pressure from the Greens, the Australia public will get more incensed with the whole situation.

      If she survives the 2.5 years she’s got left I’d be shocked.  The senior members won’t let her languish at 30% until they’re staring down the barrel of an election - they’ll fix it way before then.  Unless they tell the Greens to back off and remember their place, Labor is in for a world of hurt.

    • JohnB says:

      08:30am | 11/03/11

      What’s so bad about the Greens is they are occupying a political position that could be taken by a real environmental party. A party that deals in facts, looks for real solutions, and makes sensible policy. A party that doesn’t bang on about irrelevant rubbish MOST of the time at the expense of real solutions to real problems.  A party who’s motive is actually the environment. Now that’s a party I’d definitely vote for.

    • JohnB says:

      08:31am | 11/03/11

      What’s so bad about the Greens is they are occupying a political position that could be taken by a real environmental party. A party that deals in facts, looks for real solutions, and makes sensible policy. A party that doesn’t bang on about irrelevant rubbish MOST of the time at the expense of real solutions to real problems.  A party who’s motive is actually the environment. Now that’s a party I’d definitely vote for.

    • Helen says:

      08:35am | 11/03/11

      It’s called negotiation, Penbo, and it’s happening because many people voted Green because they want sensible and progressive policies.

      I didn’t see you complaining about the disproportionate influence of the National party in Victoria, or the virtual tyranny of Brian Harradine (remember him!), for whom virtually nobody voted.

    • Markus says:

      09:51am | 11/03/11

      It’s called being bent over a barrel, Helen, and it’s happening because many people voted Green because they wanted to send a message to the ALP to get their heads out of their arses.
      The Greens know they will never get another chance like this to exert their influence, so are pushing it for all it’s worth.

    • Lails says:

      11:48am | 11/03/11

      “many people voted Green because they want sensible and progressive policies.”
      That is seriously the best joke I have heard in a long time!!

    • JohnB says:

      08:37am | 11/03/11

      We’ve got the highest mammalian extinction rate in the world, the cane toad has decimated Kakadu and has moved into the Daintree, there is a global human population explosion.

      I’ve heard none of this from the Greens.

      The best the Greens can come up with is save the whales, reuse plastic bags and gay marriage. God help us.

    • Daniel says:

      08:50am | 11/03/11

      Wow, Penbo. Looks like you really have done some hardcore analysis there on Labor and the Greens. Your dislike for them is nearly as bad as Piers Akerman these days. Do you work next to him or something there at News Ltd?
      On your issue of the bicycle riding wicker baskets and shopping at farmers markets this is just another spin lie. Not all Greens I think would be doing that as people that now vote Greens are from those suburbs you have been mentioning that shop at supermarkets. This is due to Labor and Liberal being the same and doing nothing about cost of living issues and walking away from working class families they used to look after. With the Liberals we know that they hate working class people and they admit that with policies like Work choices. (Which is not dead buried and cremated). As Abbott said don’t trust him unless it’s down on paper in writing.
      How many more of these Greens attack pieces are you going to be allowed to write about also. I think every day nearly this week there has been something. It’s funny you know when the Greens were working hard on issues like mental health the mainstream media wasn’t interested in running anything about Greens. Now they have a bit more influence and in some cases over 15% the media has come out and done nothing but attack the poor Greens. Why doesn’t News Ltd take it further Penbo? If News Ltd is so upset with the Greens why don’t they organize a public debate with Greens MPs in public to thrash out some of the current issues in the media and some of the Greens policies in a public forum? Let’s see if Labor and Liberal agree to that? And also include Bob Brown in any upcoming election debate like Labor and Liberal normally engage in?

    • Fairsnotfair says:

      09:23am | 11/03/11

      Ouch! Truth hurts?

    • Daniel says:

      09:53am | 11/03/11

      The truth doesnt hurt at all.

    • The Redman says:

      01:45pm | 11/03/11

      Penberty’s aricle has nothing to do with the truth, Fair, it is nothing but his opinion. 1.5 million people voted for the Greens in 2010, way more than The Nationals. In factl ess than 500,000 people voted for The Nationals, yet they hold a significant place in Government when the Coalition wins for one simple reason. It is impossible for the Liberal Party to win Government in it’s own righ without those less than half a million votes. When in Government, this Party that secures less than four percent of the vote holds the Deputy Prime Ministership and several vitial Ministerial positions on the back of miniscule support from the electorate. The Greens, at the very least, need merely to point to the results. The Party which secured the third highest number of votes of any individual Party deserves to have a role in national policy.

      If the puny Nationals can demand a seat in a Coalition government with less than four percent of the vote, it is in no way unreasonable for the Greens to have an even greater role when they secure three times the vote of the country bumpkins, even when the latters only role is to secure government handout for their farmer millionaire supporters.

    • Sam says:

      05:37pm | 11/03/11

      Grow some skin and wipe your tears. About time the media started scrutinizing the Greens and their WACKO policies. Hope to see more of these great articles!!

    • ZSRenn says:

      06:59pm | 11/03/11

      @ Daniel “I think she doth protest to much!”

      @ Drearyman We went to the polls knowing we were going to vote or not vote for the LNP coalition.

      We did not know we were voting for the GAL coalition.

      As for the puny National Party they have been around for decades.

      Let’s see what happens to the Greens next election now Australia knows your true agenda.

    • casba says:

      09:14am | 11/03/11

      I’ve said it before and now I will say it again- Persephone is nothing more than a labor apparatchik. He/she is paid to push the party line.  It’s his/her job.  He/she is not capable of an original thought, other than what the party tells him/her to have. It’s called selling your soul (to the devil).

    • persephone says:

      11:04am | 11/03/11

      Unlike the half dozen or so Liberal supporters here who trot out the same lines day after day.

      I’m always interested that they don’t cop the same kind of sprays.

      I’ve never seen a comment from TimB, MarK, Jim, Nicole, Joan etc which hasn’t been totally critical of the government or one which has criticised Abbott.

      Yet they’re never accused of hackery, or their identities questioned.

      I suppose I must come across as more professional and thus worth paying, whereas they’re obviously talentless amateurs.

      (I repeat: I’m not).
      I

    • Ben81 says:

      11:31am | 11/03/11

      If you don’t like what someone says then call them out on it.  If don’t like what they say and can’t think of a reason you don’t like it, keep scrolling.  This “paid hack” or whatever stuff from both sides is always so lame.

    • Warren says:

      12:09pm | 11/03/11

      casba and his/her ilk are self righteous enough to think that any argument that doesn’t accord with their world view must be from an “insider”. They cannot countenance the possibility that someone’s different opinion may be valid.

    • persephone says:

      12:15pm | 11/03/11

      Thanks, Ben.

    • PaulB says:

      01:05pm | 11/03/11

      No Perse, its just your obvious use of Talking Points that gives you away.

    • PaulB says:

      01:13pm | 11/03/11

      Ben81 if you don’t think there are paid hacks out there working sites like this all over the world, manufacturing opinion then you know very little about the ‘Net.  Trolling is as old as WW2 at least, when the Italian Fascists used fake radio interruptions featuring an opposition voice who broke into radio broadcasts, and then “lost” the debate to the cool and calm Government announcer.  Its an old trick that has found a new lease of life with new communications.
      Look up “Megaphone” to see the current worst example possible of discussion board trolling/spiking in all its glory.  Or try “Operation Mockingbird”.

    • persephone says:

      01:46pm | 11/03/11

      Well, I’m not one.

      I don’t read talking points, let alone use them.

      Get over yourselves.

    • bobw says:

      01:55pm | 11/03/11

      persephone:  “I suppose I must come across as more professional and thus worth paying, whereas they’re obviously talentless amateurs.”

      I think that may have something to do with it.  If any of the people you mentioned are being paid for their painfully repetitive and frequently unresponsive diatribes, their employers aren’t getting much bang for buck - unless they value volume over quality.

      Like Ben81, I find the “paid mouthpiece” thing arid, and rather tiresome.  If inclined to care, though, I’d think the best “evidence” that persephone was on commission is the fact that she frequently bothers to respond to people who are clearly intractable and unlikely to pay any attention to the response anyway.  I certainly wouldn’t be doing that without some kind of payoff - but it’s perfectly possible that she just has the patience of a saint!

      Small digression:  I used to suspect that “Eric”/“Erick” might be a name used by Punch staff, talkback radio style, to stir up comments.  What else could explain the same person so frequently posting something at least mildly provocative as soon as a new article appeared?  However, the whole misandry thing has basically killed off that theory.  Why would the Punch staff want to turn every comments thread into a slanging match about male rights?  (Sorry Erick for bringing you into this.  Sorry Punch staff for suggesting you might have something in common with late night radio shock jocks).

      @PaulB:  Ben81 didn’t suggest that it doesn’t go on, he just said it was lame, and it’s hard to argue with that.

    • Christian Real says:

      02:05pm | 11/03/11

      Casba
      I don’t believe that Persephone is a Labor hack, but some of the current ever ready Liberal bloggers appear to be, or else they mustn’t have jobs to go to.
      Love to keep blogging like some of the Liberal supporters do, but I have to go and get ready for an afternoon shift,some people have to work.

    • NicoleG says:

      03:21pm | 11/03/11

      Oh come on pers, don’t take it personally. As I’ve said many times before, I like ya. And so do lots of others.

      Christian, I work from home, so I’m one of the lucky ones who can work and talk utter shite at the same time.

      I bestow a fab weekend on you all smile

    • Matt says:

      03:33pm | 11/03/11

      Don’t worry perse. I don’t think you get paid for it. I just think you do it for free. wink

      And for the record, I have seen the posters you mentioned cop flak from the Left for posting pro-Liberal comments. But you’d never admit to being wrong, persephone. Thats why people react so vehemently towards you (that, and you are quick to insult others). There is a good example in this thread between yourself and TimB if you’d like an example.

      Just sayin’...

    • persephone says:

      05:30pm | 11/03/11

      Matt

      there’s also a reference (in a post of MarK’s) to my admitting I was wrong the other day.

      And TimB had a go at me a few weeks ago when I admitted to two mistakes on the same thread.

      Which makes about three times more than I’ve seen them admit errors (even when I’ve very kindly pointed them out).

      As I said, one standard for them, a different one for me.

      Just sayin’.

      Oh, and ta. And ta to you too, Nicole!

    • Huey says:

      09:47am | 11/03/11

      Sadly all political parties are in election-mode. The inherent instability of a government dependant on EVERY single independent doesn’t allow for normal consultations with back-bench, cabinet or caucus. Opposition likewise has to be ready for a six-week campaign. The PM while in opposition said every boat that arrives here is another policy failure. She shot from the lip about a “Timor solution” which is now a Darwin solution. The Darwin solution costings as first announced were basically a downright lie. (BTW why would the Government pay such a ruinous leashold price?). My proposition is that the P.M’s Incredible Carbon Price lie, which like the Timor solution is simply a shoot from the lip announcement with no detail happens to be a smokescreen. Yes! that’s right!. A smokescreen because a lot of crap is not being scrutinised by a lazy ( poorly funded ?) media. Media and the Opposition are taking the easy shot. Lift your game people!

    • Hona Wikeepa says:

      01:00pm | 11/03/11

      The Greens want to clean up Whaling, the air we breath, the water we drink and swim in and they want a cleaner environment generally for everyone. They also want a more equal society for all and these are all good ideas. However when it comes to the human race itself, they turn a blind eye to the 120,000 abortions carried out annually in Australia. They turn a blind eye to the ongoing plight of our indigenous whose their health is 20 years behind the Arab migrant and the rest of Australia. If it weren’t for their clearly selective regime, they would be an ok bunch. But we can thank them also for higher food and petrol prices, no smoking bans in the free air in certain suburbs. If we were living in the 60’s Bob the Builder would be a hip chap. But in modern postmodern eventually Australia, the Greens only fit a toilet joke and that is all. Please take these relics from a dead context and sell them to the Japanese for harpoon practice and shark bait..

    • Ron E Coote says:

      01:05pm | 11/03/11

      Two things:
      Firstly, Gillard, as part of the Rudd regime managed to piss political capital up against the wall at a rate not seen before in Australian politics. That’s where it all began to go wrong, and Gillard was heavily involved in the very government she claimed to have, “lost it’s way.”
      Secondly, picking a fight with the Greens is exactly what they’ve done by approving the Gunns pulp mill. I would have thought that a government that relied on this miserable bunch of opportunists to claim government, might want to keep them in the tent. What’s to gain by starting a blue, when all they (the Greens) have to do is go the other way (however unlikely it would be) on a no confidence motion, and the Gillard government is history.

    • bobw says:

      01:16pm | 11/03/11

      Just because most Australians’ experience of “coalition government” has involved watching the Nats cower in the corner waiting for scraps that never come,* it doesn’t mean that all minor coalition partners have to allow themselves to be railroaded.

      Seriously though - and this is not directed at you, Penbo - I’m surprised that anyone could be outraged by the fact that the Greens are pushing an independent agenda.  That’s what political parties are for, after all.  They got a decent proportion of votes at the last election, and the chips have fallen in such a way that they can make some things happen, ie, represent their (substantial) constituency.  Big deal.  Until something more than internal ALP mutterings relating to PR can be cited as a source, loose talk of blackmail, puppeteering and extremism remains just that.

      * Joke alert:  Some degree of deliberate exaggeration.  You’ll live, I promise.

    • GJP says:

      01:51pm | 11/03/11

      Don’t worry Julia, the way you and Labor are going you will have the balance of power in the Senate as a minority party quite soon. Then you can really get things done.

    • Squeeze the Middle says:

      02:00pm | 11/03/11

      If the Greens back down they’ll vapourise like the Democrats did.

      Here’s some calcs for you all:

      Electricity sold in ACT in 04-05 was 2717GWh and 58% was purchased by government and business.  Bear in mind that most business in the ACT services government and its employees. There’s almost zero industry that services others. ACT population was around 330K.  Hence the homes, amenities, offices and businesses servicing the delivery of government activity eminating from the ACT is roughly 8.23 MWh per person pa. Assume 10% of ACT workers live in NSW - 58% of 10% brings the number down to around 8 MWh .

      The whole nation consumed about 190,000 GWh in 04-05. Population was about 20.3M. This gives a per head consumption of 9.36 MWh per year.

      So the whole of Australia only consumed 17% per head more electricity than the ACTerritorians despite carrying substantially the full burden of industry.

      This is an indicative figure to point to the high likelihood that government activity in this country is the LEAST CO2 efficient activity of all. Which is probably why the numbers have been kept soooooo quiet.

      Australia is a high per capita emitter BECAUSE of our governments, NOT in spite of them.  They want us to change our behaviour but they won’t change theirs.

      Please prove that I’m wrong.

      Sources:
      http://www.environmentcommissioner.act.gov.au/publications/soe/2007actreport/indicators/energy07
      http://www.indexmundi.com/australia/electricity_consumption.html

    • jag says:

      02:06pm | 11/03/11

      Tony RABBIT is just a wrecker and a blocker and hates women and will do anything to become the PRIMEMINISTER even if he has to LIE about carbon and global warming and his secret plans to tax people if he gets elected.

      At least Julia and Bob Browne know that the MAD MONK will do anything to become PM and so does Oakshot and Windsor and the other independents.

    • Damocles says:

      04:40pm | 11/03/11

      Oh jag…..Tony RABBIT…..really? How cute! How original! Gillard was obviously more prepared to do anything to become Prime Minister, cause guess what, she got the job!!!! She knew this was her only chance at the top job, so she would go to the crossroads and make a deal with the devil himself. So now she’s got the tiger by the tail and she daren’t let go…..go Bobby baby!

    • TCB 24 X 7 says:

      06:51pm | 11/03/11

      jag you d. head
      and your useless leader stabbed rudd in the back.
      and became p.m.  remember.

    • casba says:

      02:23pm | 11/03/11

      @Warren and Persephone

      Just like you lefties…methinks thou doth protest too much!

    • Steve says:

      02:37pm | 11/03/11

      In a democratic society there is only on friend the people as a whole.

      Once you divide the people, democracy disappears and you get autocracy .

      Ask the swiss people and you get the answer.

    • stephen says:

      02:58pm | 11/03/11

      I thought I heard a sniff from Bob Brown 2 weeks ago that indicated he would be in favour of a small nuclear industry.
      (Very shifty, Mr. Brown.)
      This is what labor should be doing : dropping hints and innuendo and seeing where they go and who responds.
      No-one responded except, I think, Martin ferguson who said rightly that a Nuclear Power Industry is currently being discussed.
      And I agree that if labor doesn’t get The Greens off their back then Tony Abbott will pressure the Independants for another General Election.
      (And no-one’s gonna vote for bikes with wicker-baskets.)

    • Nanna from Vyle Bay says:

      04:17pm | 11/03/11

      in Australia, the greens are far too advanced, far too futuristic and far too intelligent for our backward looking , dumb and archaic mass media and the Coalition Parties who live in the 17th century

    • Ian says:

      04:18pm | 11/03/11

      Bloody politics…!

    • TJ says:

      04:40pm | 11/03/11

      Penbo, maybe Kate could join Gillard in that visit to Olympic Dam.  You should go too.

    • DaS Energy says:

      04:46pm | 11/03/11

      @Jay says:07:05am | 11/03/11
      Progressive? Reduce carbon emissions by 25% by 2020. How?
      They never tell us how they will achieve this.

      Jay they wont for simple reason Coal has lots of money at election time. Its not that they dont have the no how in their hands its that they remain beholding to Coal.
      “Brown and Gillard can dance sing and whistle, but nothing takes away the truth each has a copy of the New Technology Obahma, Gillard and Brown so welcome. The Carbon tax purpose is to reduce Carbon emissions. Good governance and due diligence require that to be at least cost and most benefit to the punter. Half price electricity and no Carbon is a good starter. Match that with Combett Coal has a long and healthy future against the New Technology having no need of Coal and see what the sums show up.”

    • ps says:

      06:54pm | 11/03/11

      Based on her form (like her sobbing in the parliament when everyone said she lack human touch), dillard, will sure go to olympic dam as you have suggested next week. this liar should never have been allowed to enter the lodge. this has been made possible by the indies (whose days are surely numbered) and brown- another liar

    • ps says:

      06:54pm | 11/03/11

      Based on her form (like her sobbing in the parliament when everyone said she lack human touch), dillard, will sure go to olympic dam as you have suggested next week. this liar should never have been allowed to enter the lodge. this has been made possible by the indies (whose days are surely numbered) and brown- another liar

    • casba says:

      07:41pm | 11/03/11

      I agree ‘ps’ -so let’s try to ‘dislodge’ gillard and ‘the barber’ from The Lodge, before they do any more damage.

    • Nora R Ferguson says:

      11:49pm | 11/03/11

      @Scarneck.  YOu dont know what you are talking about.  I think YOU are one of Rabbits lovechildren.
      @Ironside - get ready to apologize because the new order is closer than you think,
      @MattC http://nsw.greens.org.au/sites/greens.org.au/files/policydownloads/Animal Welfarevegan.pdf
      This one policy alone ensures that anomal frming is made so uneconomic so that everyone goes vegan. This has a 2 fold effect. 1 it saves the environment through minimising carbon and 2 protects animal rights. 
      @Jay,  why visit troops.  The greens want no wars and no defence. Just wait until afer July when you will see more progresive bills introduced AND passed HAHA
      @Joseph Logan, Gay marriage is only 1 policy. We will introduce gay appreciation in schools and compulsory at the workplace, we will reduce carbon, abolish the US treaty, curtail police abuse and legalise drugs.  Why dont you come to a branch meeting sometime and find out for yourself instead of believing everything you hear from rabbit.
      @John,  the Greens have the balance of power in the government and after July we will have balance in the Senate.  Just wait and you will see real change.
      I am sick of deniers.  Why dont you come down to our branch meeting at Fitzroy.  If you cant be bothered to be part of this great change then shut up!!!

    • Aasq says:

      08:36am | 12/03/11

      Obvious troll is obvious. Try again Young Libs.

    • TimB says:

      08:45am | 12/03/11

      How do we know it’s not you Aasq? Pretending to be a Young Lib pretending to be a Green? With your shilly persona coming along to throw suspicion on the innocent?

      Wheels within wheels within wheels.

      How about you call the post for the rubbish it is, (troll or not), and leave it at that hmm?

    • Aasq says:

      10:54am | 12/03/11

      I knew it was you all along, Tim. Thanks for the confirmation.

    • Scarneck says:

      12:28pm | 12/03/11

      “one of Rabbits lovechildren” - LOL.

    • TimB says:

      06:23pm | 12/03/11

      AASQ and his ridiculous assumptions .

      I’ll never get tired of them.

      BTW I’m also Persephone, Nossy, and Penbo. Actually pretty much anyone you see on this blog is me.

      You’re the only real person here AASQ.

    • Scarneck says:

      08:32pm | 12/03/11

      TimB @ 06:23pm. - You’re 26 and appear reasonably intelligent….Why are you unemployed then? You do seen to spend more time ‘Punching’ than working, unless of course, you are working!!

    • Aasq says:

      09:50pm | 12/03/11

      Poor ol’ Tim’s so paranoid he can’t even tell when someone’s joking.

    • TimB says:

      10:53pm | 12/03/11

      The beauty of having two monitors Scarneck wink

      I can keep an eye on the Punch to keep me entertained during the day whilst taking care of my actual work on the other screen.

      As long as the work gets done (and it does), all is cool.

      @ AASQ you might have noticed I responded with a joke. Why do you think that is?

    • The Badger says:

      10:06am | 13/03/11

      No wonder it appears you only have half a brain.
      One is busy doing half a job, while the other is making half arsed comments.

    • Squeeze the Middle says:

      07:13pm | 13/03/11

      What?  No comment about my post about Canberra’s energy consumption?  On to something am I?

    • Steven S says:

      12:14am | 12/03/11

      With the Government in such tatters of who rules who etc etc, why cant they just say lets have a referendum? And then the people could be blamed for not having a carbon tax or having a carbon tax? Didnt they do something like this for a republic change ?

    • michael j says:

      01:14am | 12/03/11

      PENBO you have nearly nailed it all,but as a pledge is a promise like on a tv charity show, A PERSON in AUTHORITY who does not tell the TRUTH is a LIAR
      don’t sugar-coat it just for us,some of us voters can handle it no matter how distasteful
      it is,,i certainly wouldn’t mind if the first question ask of current politics was’are you going to tell the truth,,and the Olympic dam issue,well thats another thing all together,,I know its not in QLD SO OFF TO GOOGLE I GO,,,

    • The Badger says:

      09:21am | 12/03/11

      Timmie
      Can you please turn the bold off in this thread you idiot.

    • TimB says:

      10:59am | 12/03/11

      Badger you’re seeing things you moron. Fix your browser.

      There’s no bold at this end.

    • Edward James says:

      09:16pm | 12/03/11

      Roll on the night of the 26 March!

    • Stuart says:

      09:49am | 13/03/11

      The Greens are defineately no friends of Gillard and the Labor party and she would have no real friends in Labor itself,they have been waiting from day one when they put her in as their stooge to assasinate her at the right time.The Greens have much to thank Labor for though as it was their policies that have doomed Labor but made them more popular at Labors expense.It seems that Labor has been conned by some very shifty Greens.

    • Robert S McCormick says:

      09:56am | 13/03/11

      Maybe it is time those supporters of Jooolyar many of whom appear to have entered at State of Excitement bordering on Orgasmic Ecstasy over her appearance in the US House of Representatives & her speech there should be reminded of just how unimportant & meaningless her show was!
      When John Howard had his go it was, very quietly, reported that of all the US Federal Politicians, from both the House of Reps & the Senate only 25% of them actually turned up. Though the House was full it the vast majority were the equivalent of our “Rent-a-Crowd”. Ringins from wherever they could be dragged.
      Now that the figures & sums have been finalised Jooolyar did even worse!
      The number of actual US politicans who attended represented just 20% of all US Federal pollies. Again, though the House was packed, all the others who were there were “Rent-a-Crowd” & included almost the entire staff of the Australian Embassy who had probably been ordered to attend!
      The event, reportedly, did not even rate a mention in the US press - including all that owned by ex-pat Australian Rupert Murdoch!
      So what was the whole trip, the two most touted aspects of which were the meeting with the, now, lame duck US Democrat (= our ALP) President & the speech to US politicians, all about?
      It acheived nothing - other than to massively increase Jooolyar’s,  &  her man-friend’s, already massive Carbon foot-print!.
      This is the person who says we need a Carbon Tax but does bugger all to reduce her own emissions with her, seemingly, endless air travel!
      If she cut out all her partying across the world & ordered Kevin Rudd to stop his junketing around as if he was of some importance on the world stage it would go a long way towards reducing our emissions & I am not talking about the endless, useless emissions which come out of both of them from both ends!

    • Dave says:

      11:46am | 13/03/11

      Lets summarize.  We have a left wing trade union lawyer who is supposed to be in charge and she is really controlled by greenie nutters who have no real grasp of reality becuase they dont have to.  And you wonder if they can turn a profit in running Australia?  Really ?  My advice go and work overseas in a low tax regime and build money and wait them out. That what I am doing.

    • John A Neve says:

      12:47pm | 13/03/11

      Dave,

      I am sure we all wish you well.
      But please do us all a favour, don’t come back when you reach retirement age, to live of our social security system.
      Only actors and sports people are allowed to do that,

    • Dave says:

      07:12pm | 13/03/11

      John You miss the point.  If you invested what you paid in our excessive tax system for even just 15 years you could easily fund retirement - therfore you wont need social security.  And the lifestyle is great, and the women are great.  Although I may come back for my hip relacement.  Are you guys still got that Medicare thing going?

    • SteveO says:

      09:26pm | 13/03/11

      So… where does this conversation leave us if climate change is real and has the consequences they’re predicting folks?

      This discussion is depressing.  I bet you’re predominantly over fifty years old.  Isn’t wisdom supposed to come with age?

    • Francineof Sydney says:

      09:37pm | 13/03/11

      All very interesting.  My comment is wait and see.  Maybe Windosr will cave in and call Julia on the carbon tax.  He looks a bit wobbley.  Mind, she’s just handed him was it $3.5mn for his regional hospital?  More to come no doubt.  No news on the NBN lately…strange!

    • John Hawkins says:

      09:01am | 14/03/11

      Bob Brown should be condemned for his insensative remarks in the middle of this unspeakable tragedy in a perverse attempt to advance his political views in the wake of horrific disaster. Thousands of Japanese are dead, thousands more are missing, tens of thousands have been left homeless, their lives shattered and devastated and all Bob Brown can think of is, ‘Hey here’s a chance for another Green’s media stunt’. Senator Brown has form when it comes to manufacturing media stunts. In recent weeks he attempted to blame the tragic flood disaster that befell Queensland and other parts of Australia on Climate Change. Yet another attempt to score a grubby, cheap political point. Once again Senator Brown’s opportunistic remarks were delivered with absolutly no regard for the families of those who had so tragicaly lost their lives and the thousands more who were traumatised by the event.
      All this from a man who, despite having just a miniscule percentage of support from the Australian electorate, is holding a gun to Julia Gillard’s head. “Support my extremest policies Julia, or I’ll withdraw my support for your Government.”
      Senator Brown, you should hang your head in shame, how dare you!

    • Amber says:

      09:56am | 14/03/11

      Maybe Julia foresaw her own demise and was correct in saying the Carbon Tax would not be implemented under a Gillard Labor Govt.  Or perhaps it will be implemented under a Gillard Green Govt.

    • Squeeze the Middle says:

      03:11pm | 14/03/11

      I think that’s the legal acrobatics that Gillard is trying to sell.  Perhaps, technically she hasn’t lied.  Why?  She said something like: there will be no carbon tax under a government I lead.  Well we didn’t give her an outright majority did we.  She could argue that she isn’t leading a government, she’s sharing leadership with 3 independents and 1 green. Tricksy tricksy eh! Maybe Labor has learnt a trick or to from tricky John.  Think this one’ll float. Sounds like disingenuous legal trickery to me.

    • James says:

      03:25pm | 15/03/11

      Alright you punchers listen up, I got some news for you energy prices are going up without the carbon price and in a way that are going to make the carbon price look like a fart in a hurricane. 

      If you do not kick your petrol/diesel habbit you are going to spend the rest of your life looking in your empty wallet wondering where all the money went, you may think electric cars are for nancies well if you feel that way I hope you like walking or taking the train cos you sure as sh*t won’t be driving a 4WD.

    • ian irving says:

      05:37pm | 15/03/11

      Julia Gillard is performing just like the school-girl debating champion that she was.  What we need is not showmanship, but leadership.

 

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